Geared enough for Delta ?

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide wrote: »

Just for information too, the barb that ran with us, was a dex barb, he had, if I recall right, 12k hp at lvl 102 and having his charm tick before even reaching BB, so that might have been part as well of our fail attempt..

I completed my first delta at 90ish in tt90 gear none refined past 3. I had like 10-11k hp in tiger form. That barb needs to read up more on what to do in deltas.

Slivaf - Dreamweaver

I completed my first delta with this gear.

(While it is true, that better gear helps, it is not at all necessary to have if the dds, can handle aggro every once in a while. Though that is in my guide if read my guide.)

My gear is 10x better than that now, and I am still running with a majority of those people that took me on the first runs with the gear I listed above.

As for tips try this guide it certainly isn't the end all to be all, fool proof guide, but it should give you an idea of what to do.

If you have enough strength I suggest getting a Gatherstorm, (which costs 10mish on my server) or a Pan gu's giant axe... roughly 20mish on my server. Either will work a lot better than a calamity axe, the sac strike, can often really just hurt you more then help you/the squad. (especially if you have the aggro, and/or low hp.)

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Amup - Raging Tide wrote: »

That's with no buffs at all on.

http://pwcalc.com/2a82f2993bc5fec8

With that hp and gear you'll need a relatively strong party with a very good barb. With those axes, I feel sorry for any archer/mage that would be in your party. You won't be able to take or hold aggro at all and that leads to more stress to DD/EP and makes them far more prone to dying.

You should also have a genie with Absolute Domain, Alpha Male and perhaps, if you're really observant and quick, Earthquake.

BTW, pdef build for BM is kinda fail. Get rid of your cape, neck and belt, IMO. Farm Lunar Trophy cape or get TC. Mdef neck like Swindlers, Lunar or Cube neck, any mdef belt... 3rd map, OHT, Warsong or R9 belt.

With your gear, getting a successful pick-up party probably won't happen. Try to make friends with people who run delta a lot or even farm it.

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary wrote: »

I completed my first delta at 90ish in tt90 gear none refined past 3. I had like 10-11k hp in tiger form. That barb needs to read up more on what to do in deltas.

Most barbs really suck at delta... HP isn't really an issue, knowing how to pull, turtle and aggro management is what is important.

Scuzeme - Dreamweaver

Please be more specific as why there was a squad wipe
who were the teammembers, were you the main reason of a squad wipe?
I completed full delta on my mystic w/o jones blessing at level 90, i was in a squad with a level 90 cleric, a 101 barb,100 seeker a 101 sin and a 97 BM.
I was using lvl 85 wep as well as the cleric, our gears werent top notched but we did it.
constantly using genieskills and anticipating, expecting what other squadmembers do.
that is the key to delta, there is no I in a team.

TCHP - Lost City

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

Most barbs really suck at delta... HP isn't really an issue, knowing how to pull, turtle and aggro management is what is important.

to be honest I never understood why barb go out and fetch the mobs, yeah it might speed it up or what ever.

All a barb really need to do is be at the limit of BB and use is roar, turtle and alpha male, when the wave is all there the bm goes in to save his butt and the killing start.

people go out of there ways to make this complicated.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide wrote: »

Anyway, for now I am gonna try my best to mmerchant my way to make those calamities to +3 (well that's already done in fact, just waiting for the mail from my seeker), then gonna make them +4 and slowly towards +5 at least.

Pretty sure that's counterproductive... the refining of calamities.

Scuzeme - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Please be more specific as why there was a squad wipe
who were the teammembers, were you the main reason of a squad wipe?
I completed full delta on my mystic w/o jones blessing at level 90, i was in a squad with a level 90 cleric, a 101 barb,100 seeker a 101 sin and a 97 BM.
I was using lvl 85 wep as well as the cleric, our gears werent top notched but we did it.
constantly using genieskills and anticipating, expecting what other squadmembers do.
that is the key to delta, there is no I in a team.

cleric doesn't need to be even decent in delta... even the below average ones would do. mystic does a **** load of damage to delta mobs... just cause. and ever wonder its the seeker in the squad that doing most of the killing?

Vitenka - Dreamweaver

The "4 man / 5man" comment was because the times I've been in Gamma I've always done been in teams that have done the bean collecting and the ticket running at the same time - so only 4 people doing the first bit (until the all-hands bit when the cleric tanks the boss, but there's usually only the nearest room left by then anyway)

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

TCHP - Lost City wrote: »

to be honest I never understood why barb go out and fetch the mobs, yeah it might speed it up or what ever.

All a barb really need to do is be at the limit of BB and use is roar, turtle and alpha male, when the wave is all there the bm goes in to save his butt and the killing start.

people go out of there ways to make this complicated.

Barbs fetch mobs to round them up to make AOEing them easier, take minimal damage, and generally to prevent the cleric from taking damage should the DD fail in getting aggro on say ranged mobs fast enough. Standing there in the same spot waiting for an entire subwave to trickle in (especially on the later waves) would **** a barbs charm or kill them, even with solid shield, invoke, and sunder.

Michael_Dark put it aptly when saying it isn't the HP but knowing how/when to pull, turtle, and handle aggro management. I lived and died the same with my barb when he had 14k hp and 22/23k HP.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The "4 man / 5man" comment was because the times I've been in Gamma I've always done been in teams that have done the bean collecting and the ticket running at the same time - so only 4 people doing the first bit (until the all-hands bit when the cleric tanks the boss, but there's usually only the nearest room left by then anyway)

Delta works differently. When wave 1 starts, the veno will begin running tickets while the other 5 fight (generally BM is leader and handles auras, but really anyone could do it). When wave one boss arrives, cleric holds it until the ten minute time limit is close to done while the others dig chests. Then they kill the boss and move onto wave 2. Veno comes back for bonus beans when told (if it is a rainbow squad), then continues running through wave 2. Typically I finish before or at the wave 2 boss., then start digging. Same as wave 1, cleric holds the wave 2 boss while everyone digs. There are two bosses in wave 2, a "fake" boss followed by the real one, but both get the ten minute timer. Most squads finish digging before or shortly after the real boss shows up, so cleric just holds the first one for the appropriate amount of time and then kills it, then holds real boss if necessary until others finish and everyone heads back. Whole party is then fighting together wave 3 onwards.

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

BTW, pdef build for BM is kinda fail. Get rid of your cape, neck and belt, IMO. Farm Lunar Trophy cape or get TC. Mdef neck like Swindlers, Lunar or Cube neck, any mdef belt... 3rd map, OHT, Warsong or R9 belt.

With your gear, getting a successful pick-up party probably won't happen. Try to make friends with people who run delta a lot or even farm it.

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So basicly, what I get is "CS, so u can have enough good equipements to go do end game stuff"

Well look, I have A LOT of problem making money in this game. I made 4 chars instead on just building one up. ALL my friends ended up either cash shopping their way into high level/high gear or quitting my faction to go in other big names of my server where "they" would plevel them.

I'm just about to try to start my own non-aps Nirvana runs, but then again, can't make money off that, i need the uncannies for my legs. So someone tell me :


- If I can't solo FC
- If I don't get invites to Nirvana
- If most people ditched me cause "I" enjoy the game and take my time
- If I can't solo 2-x squad mode and up
- If I can't go Delta

Then how the....am I suppose to make money to get myself a lunar cape ? I don't even have a account stash so I can't even send an alt to a trophy mode to get the cape. Any high-end gear to me sems out of reach, my wife payed for my TT99 pants, she also payed the mats for my tt99 neck and I felt "forced" to cash shop and sell gold to pay here back.


So see me as loser if you all will, but just imagine beeing in my shoes a sec, just a sec.. :


- I don't work (Multiple reasons)

- I have a average cash flow of 1.5 mils per day I split in 4 chars, I learn a demon skill, I go broke, I buy a 3 star orb, I go broke.

- My only "potential" ways to make money is run TT solo 2-x/3-x and hope for fairy boxes and mats, or famr herbs, all day..

Currently I have 3 mils, yah, 3 freaking mils, so what now ?

I forget about any high level instances cause my axes arent good enough ? Cause I have phys def stuff and use True emptyness at almost every cooldown for magic stuff ? Cause i'm "just" 2.86 aps sparked with lousy, no good gorenox vanities +5 so I get frowned upon and refused ? I keep on dreaming of having more then 10 mils in bank on my 4 chars combined ?

People will maybe say "well run cube and sell pages and start from there"

What people don't see is as good as cube can be, it can be a pain with someone with a real low cashflow.

Imagine a bad run : Getting the 3 exctasy or sadness rooms + great luck and using around 15 do alls. That's a potentil cost of 500k for the rooms (if u dont win) and and 480k in do alls (16 or 18 tokens makes 5). So whohoo, I can pay near a mil (if u count crab meats I could use) to get an item that sells 500-600k ? Based on my calculations, my "average" run costs me 450k (do alls, pay rooms, crab meats included) . If u can't beleive that, just 10 do alls is over 300k..On my ways to be rich now ? Not really...

So here, with my lousy 3 mils total, i'm told i'm just not cut to stay in this game, I will be refused unless I get 100 mils+ of better stuff ? How can someone get more discouraged ?
There's a very few person that replied that actually said It was possible, except my axes that have low DPS output, well u know what..I dojn't have the str on my BM to wear better (well maybe could wear tt80), so what am i gonan be told now ? Reroll, u fail ? Make a sin and farm ur cash ? Ya maybe that's what i should do, dicth my cleric that gets praises in bh69 for fast purifying, my barb that people also like to have around and my seeker, sell all their stuff, roll a sin, equip him and go "hahahah I own ?

I'm out, this is suppose to be a game to have fun, relax, help people all level do bh/fb/bosses and stuff.. Now what do we got ? Mostly (not generalizing) powerr hungry people with the : "Omg, u have nothing over +3, not using deicides, no Lunar cape yet, u are a freaking fail" mentallity..

I'm out..

Vitenka - Dreamweaver

Ignoring the demands for lunar stuff -

Just pick up a mob-drop mdef necklace. Throw a couple of mirages at it, you're 75% of the way there.

But yes, everyone should really really have both mdef and pdef ornaments. They don't have to be the best ornaments ever, but it would help to have something.

(Very much agree with you on the people levelling past problem)

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Ignoring the demands for lunar stuff -

Just pick up a mob-drop mdef necklace. Throw a couple of mirages at it, you're 75% of the way there.

But yes, everyone should really really have both mdef and pdef ornaments. They don't have to be the best ornaments ever, but it would help to have something.

(Very much agree with you on the people levelling past problem)

That's more encouraging indeed. I will try better then mob drops though, I do my oth daily each and will try to make myself one with teh occasional power mat I can afford. Else I might try the equine talisman/demon slaoughter belt combo I spoke of earlier.

I just feel that i took my time to enjoy game and help people and now I can't get anything done. I don't even have oht map 2 yet, I never saw Nirvana and 500k entrance fee for bh lunar..well..

Daedallus - Sanctuary

I don't know you ( except for the forum bit ), but I respect your opinions as a player.

You tried to help out others and got a kick in the butt, instead of a "thank you".

It sucks, I know it cause I've ben there. Just prove you are better and keep going. You can't CS? No big deal, I have a mix of Legendary and OHT gear and still manage...

Don't quit the game becuse of a couple of jerks. I'm sure there's a lot you still can do to have fun

Slivaf - Dreamweaver

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide wrote: »

So basicly, what I get is "CS, so u can have enough good equipements to go do end game stuff"

Well look, I have A LOT of problem making money in this game. I made 4 chars instead on just building one up. ALL my friends ended up either cash shopping their way into high level/high gear or quitting my faction to go in other big names of my server where "they" would plevel them.

I'm just about to try to start my own non-aps Nirvana runs, but then again, can't make money off that, i need the uncannies for my legs. So someone tell me :


- If I can't solo FC
- If I don't get invites to Nirvana
- If most people ditched me cause "I" enjoy the game and take my time
- If I can't solo 2-x squad mode and up
- If I can't go Delta

Then how the....am I suppose to make money to get myself a lunar cape ? I don't even have a account stash so I can't even send an alt to a trophy mode to get the cape. Any high-end gear to me sems out of reach, my wife payed for my TT99 pants, she also payed the mats for my tt99 neck and I felt "forced" to cash shop and sell gold to pay here back.


So see me as loser if you all will, but just imagine beeing in my shoes a sec, just a sec.. :

I was, and in some way still am... in the same boat as you, I used the gear I linked in my last post in this thread, if you know what your doing, and others can handle the extra bit of aggro, then all will be fine, and you can use delta to make you money in game. Also if you read my guide, alpha male works wonders with keeping aggro a bit, I suggest using a charm though, until you get stronger gear.

- I don't work (Multiple reasons)

- I have a average cash flow of 1.5 mils per day I split in 4 chars, I learn a demon skill, I go broke, I buy a 3 star orb, I go broke.

- My only "potential" ways to make money is run TT solo 2-x/3-x and hope for fairy boxes and mats, or famr herbs, all day..

Currently I have 3 mils, yah, 3 freaking mils, so what now ?

I forget about any high level instances cause my axes arent good enough ? Cause I have phys def stuff and use True emptyness at almost every cooldown for magic stuff ? Cause i'm "just" 2.86 aps sparked with lousy, no good gorenox vanities +5 so I get frowned upon and refused ? I keep on dreaming of having more then 10 mils in bank on my 4 chars combined ?

People will maybe say "well run cube and sell pages and start from there"

What people don't see is as good as cube can be, it can be a pain with someone with a real low cashflow.

Imagine a bad run : Getting the 3 exctasy or sadness rooms + great luck and using around 15 do alls. That's a potentil cost of 500k for the rooms (if u dont win) and and 480k in do alls (16 or 18 tokens makes 5). So whohoo, I can pay near a mil (if u count crab meats I could use) to get an item that sells 500-600k ? Based on my calculations, my "average" run costs me 450k (do alls, pay rooms, crab meats included) . If u can't beleive that, just 10 do alls is over 300k..On my ways to be rich now ? Not really...

So here, with my lousy 3 mils total, i'm told i'm just not cut to stay in this game, I will be refused unless I get 100 mils+ of better stuff ? How can someone get more discouraged ?
There's a very few person that replied that actually said It was possible, except my axes that have low DPS output, well u know what..I dojn't have the str on my BM to wear better (well maybe could wear tt80), so what am i gonan be told now ? Reroll, u fail ? Make a sin and farm ur cash ? Ya maybe that's what i should do, dicth my cleric that gets praises in bh69 for fast purifying, my barb that people also like to have around and my seeker, sell all their stuff, roll a sin, equip him and go "hahahah I own ?

Then your cala axes will just have to suffice for the time being until you can get more strength... if your planning on increasing your str for better axes/stronger attacks. Pretty much anything is possible if your good enough, albeit its not very plausible to get into nirvy squads unless you have insane aps/refines.

I know it was very discouraging for me on this bm, before I started to delta, and realized how... much delta doesn't rely on aps to be completed, strong/semi strong aoe dds that know where to set up their aoes = far better than dds who have epic gear, likewise for the barb, and bm, if both know what they are doing, they certainly do not need epic gear to successfully complete a full delta.

Sure gear helps, but it is ABSOLUTELY NOT NECESSARY!

I'm out, this is suppose to be a game to have fun, relax, help people all level do bh/fb/bosses and stuff.. Now what do we got ? Mostly (not generalizing) powerr hungry people with the : "Omg, u have nothing over +3, not using deicides, no Lunar cape yet, u are a freaking fail" mentallity..

I'm out..

Meh, Answer in quote. =x

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide wrote: »

So basicly, what I get is "CS, so u can have enough good equipements to go do end game stuff"

Well look, I have A LOT of problem making money in this game. I made 4 chars instead on just building one up. ALL my friends ended up either cash shopping their way into high level/high gear or quitting my faction to go in other big names of my server where "they" would plevel them.

I'm just about to try to start my own non-aps Nirvana runs, but then again, can't make money off that, i need the uncannies for my legs. So someone tell me :


- If I can't solo FC
- If I don't get invites to Nirvana
- If most people ditched me cause "I" enjoy the game and take my time
- If I can't solo 2-x squad mode and up
- If I can't go Delta

Then how the....am I suppose to make money to get myself a lunar cape ? I don't even have a account stash so I can't even send an alt to a trophy mode to get the cape. Any high-end gear to me sems out of reach, my wife payed for my TT99 pants, she also payed the mats for my tt99 neck and I felt "forced" to cash shop and sell gold to pay here back.


So see me as loser if you all will, but just imagine beeing in my shoes a sec, just a sec.. :


- I don't work (Multiple reasons)

- I have a average cash flow of 1.5 mils per day I split in 4 chars, I learn a demon skill, I go broke, I buy a 3 star orb, I go broke.

- My only "potential" ways to make money is run TT solo 2-x/3-x and hope for fairy boxes and mats, or famr herbs, all day..

Currently I have 3 mils, yah, 3 freaking mils, so what now ?

I forget about any high level instances cause my axes arent good enough ? Cause I have phys def stuff and use True emptyness at almost every cooldown for magic stuff ? Cause i'm "just" 2.86 aps sparked with lousy, no good gorenox vanities +5 so I get frowned upon and refused ? I keep on dreaming of having more then 10 mils in bank on my 4 chars combined ?

People will maybe say "well run cube and sell pages and start from there"

What people don't see is as good as cube can be, it can be a pain with someone with a real low cashflow.

Imagine a bad run : Getting the 3 exctasy or sadness rooms + great luck and using around 15 do alls. That's a potentil cost of 500k for the rooms (if u dont win) and and 480k in do alls (16 or 18 tokens makes 5). So whohoo, I can pay near a mil (if u count crab meats I could use) to get an item that sells 500-600k ? Based on my calculations, my "average" run costs me 450k (do alls, pay rooms, crab meats included) . If u can't beleive that, just 10 do alls is over 300k..On my ways to be rich now ? Not really...

So here, with my lousy 3 mils total, i'm told i'm just not cut to stay in this game, I will be refused unless I get 100 mils+ of better stuff ? How can someone get more discouraged ?
There's a very few person that replied that actually said It was possible, except my axes that have low DPS output, well u know what..I dojn't have the str on my BM to wear better (well maybe could wear tt80), so what am i gonan be told now ? Reroll, u fail ? Make a sin and farm ur cash ? Ya maybe that's what i should do, dicth my cleric that gets praises in bh69 for fast purifying, my barb that people also like to have around and my seeker, sell all their stuff, roll a sin, equip him and go "hahahah I own ?

I'm out, this is suppose to be a game to have fun, relax, help people all level do bh/fb/bosses and stuff.. Now what do we got ? Mostly (not generalizing) powerr hungry people with the : "Omg, u have nothing over +3, not using deicides, no Lunar cape yet, u are a freaking fail" mentallity..

I'm out..

Jesus Christ almighty man... get a grip. Your angst is misdirected. You asked a question, I provided an answer.

If you can't farm, merch, if you can't merch, mine, if you can't do that, well I don't know what to say. Play more and find an angle. Making money is NOT difficult in this game.

I honestly don't care what you have to do to get your gear, that's not my concern.

If you were more concerned with making money than leveling up, cash wouldn't be so much of a concern.

b:bye

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide wrote: »

That's more encouraging indeed. I will try better then mob drops though, I do my oth daily each and will try to make myself one with teh occasional power mat I can afford. Else I might try the equine talisman/demon slaoughter belt combo I spoke of earlier.

I just feel that i took my time to enjoy game and help people and now I can't get anything done. I don't even have oht map 2 yet, I never saw Nirvana and 500k entrance fee for bh lunar..well..

Make friends, do your chrono quest RB wave 4/5, attain chrono belts along the way, make sure it's the elemental/ethereal version, whichever refines mag def.

Farm for the TT90 swindlers, eventually attaining paradise sachet. These aren't CS gears whatsoever. If you put out the effort and find decent ppl, not just nice, to help out (more onus is on you and effort than anyone else), you can easily get more than adequate gear.

Flare - Heavens Tear

Btw, Rebirth Delta is dead on HT...its been over month and I have yet to see a fix. I reported so long ago and still no action in any way..."State of the Game" does not mean anything to me. Mystical Tome Fragments dropped 50% of its value in one week, currently at 75%.

You can now pass Rebirth with NPC gear...

I used to do Full RB daily before this. Its not worth it anymore with people glitching RB, even hyper noobs who can't play their class with near NPC gear have third fairies now... Used to be able to judge people if they knew how to play their class with third fairies.

...and I'm off for another 22 hours from PWI until I hit 103 from PV...since RB is dead

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

Jesus Christ almighty man... get a grip. Your angst is misdirected. You asked a question, I provided an answer.

If you can't farm, merch, if you can't merch, mine, if you can't do that, well I don't know what to say. Play more and find an angle. Making money is NOT difficult in this game.

I honestly don't care what you have to do to get your gear, that's not my concern.

If you were more concerned with making money than leveling up, cash wouldn't be so much of a concern.

b:bye

Hmm yeah , let myself go too much on there, keeping rambling and such..

Anyway, today I go to 1k near spiritual disciple to see if anyone looking for a BM to retry it. I get a pm asking if I want to try. I say sure and wait... To get a "sorry can't get lead, thanks for trying" and a R9 BM coming to where they were and saying in general chat "thanks for inviting".. So ok, maybe gear don't matter.. *sarcasm*

I will try to eventually get it done, will get a grip, like u say, and find myself ways to make money. Let's see now..been over 2 months I have that culti to do..another month or 2
of farming to maybe get a shot ain't that bad , right ?

Edited : Oh, and yeah, sorry it wasn't directed at you personnaly, sorry u took it that way..Don't even know why I took ur quote to reply really man.. It was more a reply aimed to all those in the thread that would have thought that way..<.<

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide wrote: »

Then how the....am I suppose to make money to get myself a lunar cape ? I don't even have a account stash so I can't even send an alt to a trophy mode to get the cape. Any high-end gear to me sems out of reach, my wife payed for my TT99 pants, she also payed the mats for my tt99 neck and I felt "forced" to cash shop and sell gold to pay here back.

May i suggest vos grind... if memory serves when i used to it i was netting about 1-2 mil per hour. Thats probably better then what you'll get if you have 30 min nirvana squads.

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

May i suggest vos grind... if memory serves when i used to it i was netting about 1-2 mil per hour. Thats probably better then what you'll get if you have 30 min nirvana squads.

yah problem is..That is in oht map 2 or 3 right ? I can't even get oht map 2 cause I can't get glacial tear in delta, that's my main problem.. I know a bit where the money is, it's just that most just won't at least give me a chance to get there

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide wrote: »

I'm out, this is suppose to be a game to have fun, relax, help people all level do bh/fb/bosses and stuff.. Now what do we got ? Mostly (not generalizing) powerr hungry people with the : "Omg, u have nothing over +3, not using deicides, no Lunar cape yet, u are a freaking fail" mentallity..

I'm out..

what about your gear is preventing you from having fun, relaxing, and helping people do BH/FB/bosses and stuff?

you are the one who appears to be powerhungry.
you are the one who seems to want to be able to make 5m an hour
you are the one who seems to want the 5 minute nirvana squads.

if all you want to do is what you say you want to do in the quoted portion, then you are all set to do that.

running FB BH's is free, running metal is 20k, running TT solo mode is 360k for 2 subs
farming herbs is free.

leveling to 100 wont get you anything alone, you have to do work after that, the point of 100+ is that everyone is on an equal level footing because of the cap, and you can work on improving your gear, the better your gear is the faster you can improve it. crying on the forums because you dont have +10 nirvana or rank 9 gear wont get you anything. go to work.

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

what about your gear is preventing you from having fun, relaxing, and helping people do BH/FB/bosses and stuff?

you are the one who appears to be powerhungry.
you are the one who seems to want to be able to make 5m an hour
you are the one who seems to want the 5 minute nirvana squads.

if all you want to do is what you say you want to do in the quoted portion, then you are all set to do that.

running FB BH's is free, running metal is 20k, running TT solo mode is 360k for 2 subs
farming herbs is free.

leveling to 100 wont get you anything alone, you have to do work after that, the point of 100+ is that everyone is on an equal level footing because of the cap, and you can work on improving your gear, the better your gear is the faster you can improve it. crying on the forums because you dont have +10 nirvana or rank 9 gear wont get you anything. go to work.

I see your point and no i'm not the powerhungry type. I didn't powerlevel any of my toons (this one included) and maybe saw 10 FC max in all my chars life's combined. I just know I should have made just this toon, instead of 4 now and equip this one to the max, instead of spending millions of dollars getting skills on my seeker, cleric and barb (I learned like 7 demon skills so far on barb, that, by itself is around the 15-20 mil mark if u count book cost). So yeah I made errors and thi sthread is mostly to ask how I can fix them to make THIS char better and not take a year doing so..

I don't want to do 50 mils a day, it's not my plan.. But maybe upgrading my GV to deicides and getting a Lunar cape before x-mas would be nice b:laugh

OontzOontz - Dreamweaver

You don't need good gears. Just get a couple mystics to smash the wave before it reaches bb.

Yuniryu - Raging Tide

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

May i suggest vos grind... if memory serves when i used to it i was netting about 1-2 mil per hour. Thats probably better then what you'll get if you have 30 min nirvana squads.

Vos grind is 1mil per hour o.o? Xd isnt that 2x or back when dq was alot? XD?

Btw the way Purma i got the same problem as you lol. I cant delta due to real life and hard to find delta when i am not busy and when people are doing it. But i told myself xD be calm and do it when you can. Obviously some days people will be silly or stupid but sometimes you find nice squads. Oh yeah when you find a good squad try add some people, that makes alot of difference. Of course if you do a good job, they will remember you .

As for money *shugs i just grind , bh100 xD *. I used to do tt single but i need mirages for gear so i dont farm tt single now, non profitable cause all the boxes are mirages for my gear.

People say farm but i hate farming and personally find it slower then grind every time, but then i played a grind feast game, so grinding is natural to me not farming.

Besides whats running metal O.O?

GlottalStop - Raging Tide

You don't need to be 105 the first time you run Delta. You can run it successfully at 90 with TT90 gear. You just need to know what to do. And to learn that, you need to run Delta...

Sad thing is, try convincing others of this. I know on RT server, everyone has it in their head you absolutely, positively, 100% cannot run Delta until you are 100. I don't know why they have that idea. It's silly.

Yuniryu - Raging Tide

GlottalStop - Raging Tide wrote: »

You don't need to be 105 the first time you run Delta. You can run it successfully at 90 with TT90 gear. You just need to know what to do. And to learn that, you need to run Delta...

Sad thing is, try convincing others of this. I know on RT server, everyone has it in their head you absolutely, positively, 100% cannot run Delta until you are 100. I don't know why they have that idea. It's silly.

Omg i had that problem. I would ask at 90 and 95 if i can run delta or not and even asked for a nice reply if not and they just ignore me. But at 99 i am told finally that it doesnt matter lol. My first delta was level 99 and level up to 100 that time

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide

So gotcha..

"Run with pro squad even if u are less pro till u leartn more and upgrade stuff"

then

"Start your own squads, showing u know how it goes and can run smooth"

Man - Raging Tide

I dun roar or alphamale, i just sunder top armageddon and kill everything or keep aggro though dmg. (the way sins keep aggro!)

While being charmed armageddon is so nice with bloodpaint. No charm tick and you gain the health you use. Armageddon while wearing a charm without bloodpaint = bad news.

Used to have dominance blessings in delta +10 def +10 attack blessings. They were taken out of game as the developers felt it made teh game too easy and unchallenging.

THEN the people who run our servers decided to put in blessings even stronger. +15/+15 or +30 attack lvl, for the small pricing of whoring yourself out on facebook.

I think delta would have been the best pve instance to test a squad for the tournament. Whoever does it fastest...

Slivaf - Dreamweaver

Man - Raging Tide wrote: »

I dun roar or alphamale, i just sunder top armageddon and kill everything or keep aggro though dmg. (the way sins keep aggro!)

While being charmed armageddon is so nice with bloodpaint. No charm tick and you gain the health you use. Armageddon while wearing a charm without bloodpaint = bad news.

Used to have dominance blessings in delta +10 def +10 attack blessings. They were taken out of game as the developers felt it made teh game too easy and unchallenging.

THEN the people who run our servers decided to put in blessings even stronger. +15/+15 or +30 attack lvl, for the small pricing of whoring yourself out on facebook.

I think delta would have been the best pve instance to test a squad for the tournament. Whoever does it fastest...

It would still come down to whoever had the strongest dd, to solo the first and second wave, or even if they could do a spawn point delta.

Though I have to agree it would have been a fun instance for them to have done for the tournament... it is by far the best pve instance in game in my own opinion anyways.

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As for the glitch.... (don't want you to describe it in detail.... don't want whats happening with the goon glitch to come to my favorite instance) but... what glitch are you talking about? As in what does it do... give you easy fragments?... Again please do not explain how to use the glitch... just curious what it does. xD

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

Gear is fine if you know what your doing.
Get alpha male on your genie (your the second tank, make sure you can actually take aggro), and switch second wind for tree of protection (you have enough HP to make sure that ToP heals more the second wind, and you have enough HP to survive the 2 second delay).

Save your stuns for when the squad needs it. So when you see the wizzys charm tick, stun (obviusly also stun as soon as the mobs enter the zhen, after which you HF). Spam HF on cooldown (if you have chi)

Your axes are a joke though. I'v seen Bm's do a perfect delta with those, but they had already done hundres of deltas, and had the perfect genie and stuf. I forgive them for it, but noone wants to run with a noob with a lvl 70 weapon (would you stay in a delta where the wizzy and archer hava TT70 weapon?)