PW International Championship Discussion

Halt - Harshlands

Rhyme - Harshlands wrote: »

I'm pretty sure I hold the record for most essays in a single thread.

On my old pc I have a post from you saved that is over 3000 words in count.

GhostDuck - Harshlands

Hahaha, what happened to everyone. Complain if it is a fair fight, complain if it is a one shot. Who gives a **** as long as the person doing it is having fun. I haven't really pvp'd here in 2 years since it's so much drama and too much gear, but i've been doing a healthy dose for years on other servers and pservers and i never seen so much **** about a guild that never did anything but exist in my life. I don't like Valhalla, never did, but i hate more people that complain about their 1 shot killers or their reputation. So what? Go out and 1 shot other people, or get 10 people and destroy them, go back to your fun. No one ever thought anything of them except the people that may or may not lose to them in TW. They had no rep, you all created it because you thought you'd lose to them, then turned out they weren't what you thought.

My favorite thing is seeing people cry about ruining this, and ruining that, because that is what i and many others love to see you people complain about. I don't care if you are questing or just hanging out at west, if i want to stand there and don't like you, you will get bombed, and if you beat me, the spot is yours. Not becuase i care, because its fun. I love the pm's even more. Nab, come fight my main, come do this, come do that. R9+12 if i had your gear i'd own you. Valalala blows, Give me a break and grow up.

I went from hating Valhalla to absolutely loving them right now because the last 4 months i just see people complain about them. If they went rogue and just starting wiping people going to FC, and whatever else people do now days they would be the best thing since RQ. PVP can be fine, you want your fun go somewhere where you are not going to get ganked, but don't stand at west or silver pool for a 3v3, get ganked and complain about it because you went there, you asked for it. There are 50 empty towns on the map.

As for Valalalala cleansing their stink. **** that, embrace it and become a real PVP guild, because right now there are none. Kill everyone you see whereever they are, whenever you want. Harrass people till they complain about it enough that this becomes a HT like server. CS all you want, or don't, but don't apologize for it, kill them and laugh in guild chat about it when they say ****. In the end people will actually like you if you don't apologize for doing what is meant to be done, having fun however you define it. It's the serious ones that everyone always hates in the end because afterall, this is just a game

zbzkda

Go lose another TW.

GhostDuck - Harshlands

zbzkda wrote: »

Go lose another TW.

Me? I have been guildless here for 3 months.

Rhyme - Harshlands

Halt - Harshlands wrote: »

On my old pc I have a post from you saved that is over 3000 words in count.

I think my application to Zulu was a little over a thousand words. I was going to do more but I was typing from my phone.

Bludd - Harshlands

@Longknife
I'm sorry that when people hear about pk in our guild chat they also want to come pk. This doesn't mean they are called all the time. It does mean that friends like to play together. It is a shame that your guild does not also enjoy pking. Or is it just that you have no friends there? Or is it just that Kylin has no R9s? Or maybe they have no +12's? Perhaps your faction is just full of carebears? If I were you I might try joining one where members support each other.

I love your comparisons. We are guilty of destroying the world via Global Warming, blowing up our neighbors house, and turning on God Mode. As stressed as you seem to get I might suggest you try a PVE server like Dreamweaver or perhaps a game like Hello Kitty Online.

I notice you equated using pills to hacking and cheating. I completely agree that using a built in game mechanic that everyone has access to is exactly the same as turning on God Mode in first person shooters. Are there any other in-game mechanics we should not use? How about genies? They are a relatively new invention (long after Iron Guards were around). Is it okay if we use them? How about skills? Some seem quite unfair, like stealth and anything that stuns, sleeps, roots, seals or does damage.
Rather than complain about it, perhaps you could try digging some herbs and making your own IGs or farming some instances so you would have the needed resources to work on improving your gear. There are a number of people both in Valhalla and the game in general who have never spent a dime on the game and still have amazing gear. I realize that spending countless hours in TT or Nirvana is not as satisfying as crying on the forums about how other people use IG and have good gear, but it is a more effective way to improve your character when you aren't old enough to have a real job that allows you to buy what you want. I'm really not sure how being prepared and using the tools available to you so that you don't die and kill other people shows an absence of skill. In case you were curious, PWI does NOT mail you a Superman suit once you get +12 R9; just ask Jekel.

I can't deny we lost the PWIC. Just as no one else can deny we were against two allied factions and we still managed to kill over half of them before our last team member was taken out. I think it speaks to your character that you would intentionally misconstrue how that was set-up to use as a dig against us. God forbid that PWI be slightly less lazy. China has been having their in server championships for MONTHS. PWI can't even be bothered to spend an extra hour per server setting up an actual bracket style tournament in which the best team is able to represent. I'll completely ignore the irony of the overall winning team having a Heaven Sin on it. Also, one last question for Longpost. Which guild on this server has beaten Cata in TW?

And I guess I need to comment on this repeated cry of "Valhalla kills lowbies". There are three areas in this game where people gather to pk. West Gate, Silver Pool, and Hidden Orchid. If you are there, then you are looking to be killed. Please stop complaining that someone fufills your wish. If you don't want to be pk'd by Valhalla then don't go there. It's especially rediculous that you would complain about us pk-ing lowbies at these three spots since the vast majority of them are alts. God forbid they get on their main, get some guildies, and try to clear us out. Furthermore, why do you think we'd get tired of pk? How does it even make sense that we would tire of it yet continue to play the game on a PK server?

Tryagain - Harshlands

I don't believe Valhalla is changing at all.

You mentioned earlier you have Banzzok, Wytche, wollfo, Bludd, and how many other guilds have 4 people of equal gear.
- NONE

The thing that bothers me the most about Valhalla (aside from the fact that they ruin PvP and all events) is that they never learn. It's understandable if you suck at TW if you're new to the game, cash shop all that gear and level from scarlet fruit or oracles. Or just camp FC all day every day until you're 103 with that gear. But that's not the case. Most of these people have played PW for at least 3 years. This no experience/no teamwork excuse isn't valid.

I remember when Kingdom attacked Crimson the first time. It was most of the people in Kingdom's first real TW ever. We sucked big time. We got rolled. Then the following week we learned and won. It took 1 week. How do you not learn after 150 weeks?

apex1predator

Thing is Bludd..Long has a point. Your faction budz always have to come in numbers when someone actually finds a challenge( or holy path like mad to get to sz because god forbid they might die). IG pots and w/e you need to stay alive is one thing..but gathering as many peeps you can to roll a couple of lesser geared people says more about their skill than anything else.

Ive seen other r9 +12 archers getting ganked by 4/5 people and come out on top. Your buds get rolled once and 10 seconds later an entire striketeam is on site to wipe out those pests who dare take one out. Tell me wheres the fun in that? Where is the challenge?

Longknife - Harshlands

Bludd - Harshlands wrote: »

I notice you equated using pills to hacking and cheating. I completely agree that using a built in game mechanic that everyone has access to is exactly the same as turning on God Mode in first person shooters. Are there any other in-game mechanics we should not use? How about genies? They are a relatively new invention (long after Iron Guards were around). Is it okay if we use them? How about skills? Some seem quite unfair, like stealth and anything that stuns, sleeps, roots, seals or does damage.
Rather than complain about it, perhaps you could try digging some herbs and making your own IGs or farming some instances so you would have the needed resources to work on improving your gear. There are a number of people both in Valhalla and the game in general who have never spent a dime on the game and still have amazing gear. I realize that spending countless hours in TT or Nirvana is not as satisfying as crying on the forums about how other people use IG and have good gear, but it is a more effective way to improve your character when you aren't old enough to have a real job that allows you to buy what you want. I'm really not sure how being prepared and using the tools available to you so that you don't die and kill other people shows an absence of skill. In case you were curious, PWI does NOT mail you a Superman suit once you get +12 R9; just ask Jekel.

I don't mean to equate Valhalla with murderers and such if that's what you're saying. I just use dramatic analyzations because those are the ones understood the best. Cheaters and hackers though, yeah, I am saying you two have a similar personality trait.
Let me put it this way.

I haven't spent a dime on this game, and every day I can go PK against people of my calibur and have fun. Valhalla has spent literally thousands and what do they get in return? Barely anyone can hang with them in PK and even fewer people are actually willing to hang around to FIGHT BACK. I find it hysterical that, in a way, I'm getting more bang for my buck, even though I haven't spent a dime. I divided by zero lloollolool. Sounds incredibly freaking boring to me, the way people avoid you and the way you guys PK, and yet you guys never seem to get bored of it. Ironguard powders? It's like rubbing salt in the wound. It's clear that most people wouldn't stand a chance in 1v1 against a r9 +12 Valhalla, and yet instead of using your skills to fight back or taking a god damn risk for once, whenever the r8-or-less attackers shows themselves to be the least bit threatening, you ironguard on him. You do realize that, other than Valhalla themselves, the only reasonably large group that ironguards in PK constantly is assassins? So yeah, it's not like you're doing it to counter everyone else's IGs or that you're under the impression everyone else does it.
That to me says you're not a faction that wants to play or to learn to improve, you just want to win. Hell, you make this clear when you say "people at West Gate, Silver and Orchid are looking to get killed." Wtf no they're not, they're looking to HAVE FUN. It doesn't matter who wins or loses as long as the fight is fun. I don't repeatedly attack lowbies because it's boring. I don't lord my superior ironguard supply over others because that's boring (and wasteful, save that **** for TW). I don't bring friends to PK with me 24/7 because that's boring: we may very well bring more firepower than West/Silver Pool can handle and scare off opponents, and there's nothing stopping me from chatting with friends on vent while they do other stuff in game.

So yeah, sounds like you guys just want to win. And that's what's so boring about it. We're playing against guys who just want to win, which is why I equate it with hackers and cheaters. They just want to win too and also don't care how. I picture myself playing Mario Kart against a 6 year old who constantly uses a cheat that gives him permanent star power, then he acts astounded and amazed every time he wins, never getting bored with it and saying we should go again. You won kid? No ****? Of course I wouldn't say that to a six year old, but I imagine if I did and if the 6 year old had the mental capacity to debate, he'd say "hey it takes skill to steer and to hold down the accelerator," or "I'm simply using the resources given to me by the game. It takes skill to find the code." Ok whatever you say, but you know what takes MORE skill and is a thousand times more fun and rewarding? Not using any of that **** and racing normally.



But sure. Keep saying that Valhalla ONLY lost the tournament because of the tournament's structure. Keep saying it's everyone ELSE'S fault that the PK on this server has gone down the toilet, because no one else is willing to spend as much free time farming IGs or spend as much of their daily income on this game as Valhalla. When in Rome, go around town telling the Romans they're doing it wrong and try to restructure their society, huh? Germans tried that in 1939, we weren't incredibly popular back then either.

If you don't want to be pk'd by Valhalla then don't go there.

K and imagine EVERYONE took your advice and the people that couldn't PK all your r9s didn't PK. Do you think you'd be happy with that; with the game you've spent thousands upon now having no form of PVP available? I rest my case.

I'm just trying to TELL you why people aren't fond of you, in my opinion. I'm trying to tell you why no one came to your aid when Catalyst started kicking your ***. But hey, if you don't want to listen, that's your problem.

Bludd - Harshlands

I'm not sure how to have an intelligent debate with someone who has now said a number of times that using IG is tantamount to hacking. For the record, I have never farmed herbs and haven't bought pots in well over 4 months. Maybe if your guild did cool things like http://tinyurl.com/ValhallaLGTM you would have pk pots to spare as well.

Every time you post or go to a pk spot all I can envision is a slightly skinnier version of this: http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBOZr3kFGmw

Eoria - Harshlands

So are we supposed to be proud that you guys are PVE heroes or something?

GhostDuck - Harshlands

Once again, the map is freaking huge, there are a million towns you can go pk outside of. If it is not fun there, go hang somewhere else and pk. PM whoever you had that "fair fight" with and move. Just because you may or may not been on the server longer, means nothing to anyone who wants to kill you. Whether they CS'd and you didn't is irrelevant. If you are out of safe, you can be killed period. If you are there to hangout, go inside safezone and talk to people or deal with it.

Waaawaaaa i got killed by a r9 sin. If it bothers you do something about it. You can't? Sure you can. Bait him or team up with others.

I'll give you an example that i do on another server. My guild has a strong rival with another equal in strength, organization, gears, however they always have more people due to activity . We fight in these same spots all the time however we always beat them. Why? Cause we let their anger and stupidity get the best of em. I talk as much **** as possible, everytime i see certain players i go after them, 10v1 or 1v10, anything to be sure i will be the first to die. When group pk comes up, i know they hate me so much they will come after me, even if strategicly it is not the best move. So i give my self up as bait. Get their attention split them up and kite away from the action. 12 v 20, 6 v 10 becomes 11 v 12, 5 v 5 etc every time. I may die, but their party wipes everytime after. I come back after and trash talk more. I don't care i died, they all died. Spot is ours. Come back try again next time. Sure we hear "your gers are better", blah blah blah but it is all bs, they just lost, just like you did. Even odds, better or worse.

Sure for this sin maybe you have to come up with another way, but there are ways. And if you get the better of them great, you can stick the CS trash talk up their crack. Make it a challenge for you and others to get rid of those guys, team up with the ones you had a "fair fight" with and get them out of there. But don't complain to us just because you died in a spot where everyone goes to kill you. r9 sins in a guild aren't killing pvp, it's peoples lack of desire to do something about it or go somewhere else that is.

Who knows, maybe you will have fun trying

Tryagain - Harshlands

Bludd - Harshlands wrote: »

Maybe if your guild did cool things like http://tinyurl.com/ValhallaLGTM you would have pk pots to spare as well.

You can get ironguards from Lunar Glade? Sweet, let's go!




I don't see how you can brag about beating something in PvE when you have +12 full JoSD r9 gear.

How could you possibly fail? Your archers and sins have more HP than the majority of the barbs on this server. I've seen people with half that gear stand still and tank bosses in 3-3 with no heals for quite a while before dying. The bosses can't possibly get through your charms even if you try to die.

And again...if you worked your *** off, and farmed your way to the top, congrats....But you didn't.

Paimage - Harshlands

Im starting to feel bad for Valhala, you are all bullies!!!

Paigrande - Harshlands

Paimage is totally right!

Rhyme - Harshlands

You should make a pole about how right he is.

Halt - Harshlands

I like how you consider yourself to be the best Bludd. It's really sad.

Fire shards.

Halt - Harshlands

Fireeeeeeeeeee

Shaaaaaaaaaaaards

Halt - Harshlands

Fire shards....

Longknife - Harshlands

GhostDuck - Harshlands wrote: »

Once again, the map is freaking huge, there are a million towns you can go pk outside of. If it is not fun there, go hang somewhere else and pk. PM whoever you had that "fair fight" with and move. Just because you may or may not been on the server longer, means nothing to anyone who wants to kill you. Whether they CS'd and you didn't is irrelevant. If you are out of safe, you can be killed period. If you are there to hangout, go inside safezone and talk to people or deal with it.

Waaawaaaa i got killed by a r9 sin. If it bothers you do something about it. You can't? Sure you can. Bait him or team up with others.

I'll give you an example that i do on another server. My guild has a strong rival with another equal in strength, organization, gears, however they always have more people due to activity . We fight in these same spots all the time however we always beat them. Why? Cause we let their anger and stupidity get the best of em. I talk as much **** as possible, everytime i see certain players i go after them, 10v1 or 1v10, anything to be sure i will be the first to die. When group pk comes up, i know they hate me so much they will come after me, even if strategicly it is not the best move. So i give my self up as bait. Get their attention split them up and kite away from the action. 12 v 20, 6 v 10 becomes 11 v 12, 5 v 5 etc every time. I may die, but their party wipes everytime after. I come back after and trash talk more. I don't care i died, they all died. Spot is ours. Come back try again next time. Sure we hear "your gers are better", blah blah blah but it is all bs, they just lost, just like you did. Even odds, better or worse.

Sure for this sin maybe you have to come up with another way, but there are ways. And if you get the better of them great, you can stick the CS trash talk up their crack. Make it a challenge for you and others to get rid of those guys, team up with the ones you had a "fair fight" with and get them out of there. But don't complain to us just because you died in a spot where everyone goes to kill you. r9 sins in a guild aren't killing pvp, it's peoples lack of desire to do something about it or go somewhere else that is.

Who knows, maybe you will have fun trying

1. They PATROL. They just follow to all the PK spots. All of them. The server would have to secretly create a new PK spot and not tell Valhalla just to avoid them, and we all know that wouldn't succeed.

2. One r9 sin isn't the problem. I'd hoped I'd fought enough sins by now for people to know I can handle them... It's one r9 sin + one r9 wiz + one r9 barb + one r9 archer. THAT'S ridiculous.

3. What others are there to team up with? Two guilds on this server have gears superior to everyone else: Catalyst and Valhalla. Catalyst doesn't PK very often and when they do, they don't bring many. They never have. You CAN rally all nearby players to take out 1-2 Valhalla, but next time they come out, there'll be 6 of them.

I'll give you an example that i do on another server. My guild has a strong rival with another equal in strength, organization, gears, however they always have more people due to activity . We fight in these same spots all the time however we always beat them. Why? Cause we let their anger and stupidity get the best of em.

4. That's called Crimson. I fight Crimson. I have no problem with Crimson in PK. They sometimes gank ridiculously, but the fights still have potential to be fun because they CAN be beaten. Sure they may have 9 and I'm one person, but I can try and kill 3-4 before I die, and that's a fun challenge.
Valhalla on the other hand is 6 r9s and I'm one person, and not a single one of them eases up. Yknow how other factions, when they gank, there's always one or two dudes that gets bored and says "you guys got this" and just waits on a potential sin or any others? Valhalla doesn't have that guy. You get all 6 of them gunning for you the moment you leave SZ.

So i give my self up as bait. Get their attention split them up and kite away from the action.

I did this yesterday. Ask jokerfk. But I don't care if I killed him under Valhalla's nose; it's facking boring to lure ONE guy away, kill him, then run before the others arrive AND such a tactic is dependent on the enemy being stupid. It only works so many times before they catch on.

5. Your entire post is about sins. Where did I mention sins? Valhalla is always complaining people don't like them "FOR NO APPARENT REASON!" I'm telling them the reason: because none of us can play our ****ing game because they never get tired of one-shot IG spammed ganks.

Who knows, maybe you will have fun trying

I don't mean to sound arrogant here, but if there's ANYONE on this server who deserves credit for having fun trying to go up against ridiculous odds, it's me. There are a couple others who PK just like me, and I don't mean to say I'm even more brave/foolhardy/whatever than they are, but if there was a foolhardy/bravery competition, I'd definitely be a candidate. So yeah, it kind of annoys me when people say "oh he's complaining, he must be one of those guys that only fights easy battles."

Halt - Harshlands

Fire.

Halt - Harshlands

Shards...

Halt - Harshlands

Oh and your a sin

Longknife - Harshlands

As I said, I'm just answering the question "why do people hate us." If your response is to decide you hate me for answering the damn question, then yeah, guess things won't change.

Halt - Harshlands

And your sage when you roll in pve most of the time. With 2.5 aps
and g12 fire shards.

Halt - Harshlands

Especially the g12 fire shard part

Okeano - Harshlands

Rhyme - Harshlands wrote: »

You should make a pole about how right he is.

Make a what?

Rhyme - Harshlands

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

Make a what?

Don't you ever try to correct my spelling. Ever!

http://i.imgur.com/AHGu6.jpg

Paigrande - Harshlands

Rhyme - Harshlands wrote: »

Don't you ever try to correct my spelling. Ever!

http://i.imgur.com/AHGu6.jpg

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Ligeia - Harshlands

Valhalla TW's were some of the easiest TW's I've ever done. 50v80 blah blah. I've done 20v80 wars with a similar gear gap as between Valhalla and Kylin and we still won. I've never seen a guild with so much wasted potential and poor leadership. Get some of Valhalla's ridiculously geared members organized under the right leadership and they could challenge Catalyst easily. As it is now, you'll all be West Gate Heroes forever.