Demon vs Sage

Samsama - Harshlands

My Seeker is lvl 90 and i made it demon.
PVP wise Demon will always be better, obviously because of reduce channeling and Attack speed. So just by me having Demon spark+blade afinity you Already Lost in Casting Speed.
The Sage Skills are kinda wierd b:surrender Im happy with lvl10 soulsever minuet Because Thats the most Useful Buff i can think off, unless im wrong b:chuckle.

On the Other Hand im tired of people saying "not aps build" All Clasess that are not robes can be Aps build, just Add int DUH idiot. Im personally only going Demon For the spark cuz is gona boost me up to 3.33aps with Sword. YES **** IMA BE DANGEROUS.


(aps build class):*auto atk, stun lock (if applied), tripple Spark*
_SamSama:*recieves 200 dmg*-yawn- are u done yet?
(aps build class): *sweating* NO GIMME 15 MORE SECS PLEASE
_SamSama: *gets bored, Demon sparks and kills in 2 Seconds=6hits* VICTORY b:victory

(robe Class):*w/e u robe classess do seal/stun/sleep, tripple spark*
(Robe class):*deals 1000dmg, deals 1051dmg, Deals 1564 dmg*
_SamSama: Awww 4more hits and u would had ticked my charm D= *atks with lvl 10 soulserver twice*
(Robe class): *gets spirit bored* oh **** im dead b:cry
_SamSama: *Demon spark(dont really need it, just looks cool)+blade afinity+gemini slash*






I fee like an idiot for typing all that out

Epros - Raging Tide

Samsama - Harshlands wrote: »

I fee like an idiot for typing all that out

you should. seekers cap at 2.86 APS with the 1 -int sword in the game. also, seeker damage comes from the skills, not autoattacking. why spark and faceroll and hope they die when you can spark and possibly 1shot?

Tomoe_ - Sanctuary

Samsama - Harshlands wrote: »

So just by me having Demon spark+blade afinity you Already Lost in Casting Speed.

uhm... demon spark overwrites blade affinity and vice versa... i played a caster before so yeah the same icons don't stack..

Shadouburedo - Raging Tide

Blade affinty dosent stack because its inc. channeling physical classes spark has inc. attack rate but so what if ur 3.33 or 2.86 aps sword hurt alot more than claws per hit so it really dosent matter the skills are a bonous! im going Deamon idc what you guys think i perfer the demon skills in my opinion and fits my play style. but i digress to each their ownb:laugh

Cadeal - Dreamweaver

Shadouburedo - Raging Tide wrote: »

Blade affinty dosent stack because its inc. channeling physical classes spark has inc. attack rate but so what if ur 3.33 or 2.86 aps sword hurt alot more than claws per hit so it really dosent matter the skills are a bonous! im going Deamon idc what you guys think i perfer the demon skills in my opinion and fits my play style. but i digress to each their ownb:laugh

Just remember your sacrificing an anti stun for more aps, which is a battleground you'll never be able to compete in.

HeavensRage - Raging Tide

Shadouburedo - Raging Tide wrote: »

Blade affinty dosent stack because its inc. channeling physical classes spark has inc. attack rate but so what if ur 3.33 or 2.86 aps sword hurt alot more than claws per hit so it really dosent matter the skills are a bonous! im going Deamon idc what you guys think i perfer the demon skills in my opinion and fits my play style. but i digress to each their ownb:laugh

I lol'd throughout.

CatManDoo - Dreamweaver

IMO getting Int gear isnt too bad idea, pve wise u are pretty good if doing dailies, fc or smth. also against some opponents in pk mode it may work, i dont mean only demon spark, cause also sage with int gear, with parchedblade stance u can stun enemy pretty often, if u dont get stunned/sealed ofc or he/she is skilled:P

personaly i,m full rank8 and going for sage

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

I hope more fcc nubs go demon. I really do.

Okeano - Harshlands

Samsama - Harshlands wrote: »

(aps build class):*auto atk, stun lock (if applied), tripple Spark*
_SamSama:*recieves 200 dmg*-yawn- are u done yet?
(aps build class): *sweating* NO GIMME 15 MORE SECS PLEASE
_SamSama: *gets bored, Demon sparks and kills in 2 Seconds=6hits* VICTORY b:victory

(robe Class):*w/e u robe classess do seal/stun/sleep, tripple spark*
(Robe class):*deals 1000dmg, deals 1051dmg, Deals 1564 dmg*
_SamSama: Awww 4more hits and u would had ticked my charm D= *atks with lvl 10 soulserver twice*
(Robe class): *gets spirit bored* oh **** im dead b:cry
_SamSama: *Demon spark(dont really need it, just looks cool)+blade afinity+gemini slash*

LOL? Where is your Seeker let me drop it dead for you.

Neyda - Raging Tide

Parchedblade Dance:
lvl 29, self buff

Channel: 0.4 sec
Cooldwon: 8 sec
Cast: 0.667 sec
Mp: 70

Last 10minutes. When under this effect, each attack has 20% chance to place a Bloodlet on target, last 20 seconds. When use Stalagstrike on target will activate the debuff, which cause 3750 extra damage and stun for 3 seconds, debuff will disappear after active.

Sage: Chance to place Bloodlet increase by 5%
Demon: Stun duration increase by 1 sec


Soulsever Minuet:
lvl 49, self buff

Channel: 0.3 sec
Cooldown: 8 sec
Cast: 0.7
Mp: 70

Last 10minutes. When under this effect, each attack has 50% chance to place Spirit Bore on target, last 30seconds. When use Gemini Slash on target will activate the debuff, which cause 7950 metal damage on target and reduce attack and defense lvl by 10 for 3minutes, debuff will disappear after active.

Sage: Chance to place Spirit Bore increase by 15%
Demon: Def lvl decrease effect increase by 2

You can perma-Debuff wth the lvl10 Skills allready.
So my Point goes to Demon.

Heart Shatter:
lvl 24, curse

Range: 20m
Channel: 1 sec
Cooldown: 15 sec
Cast: 0.467 sec
Mp: 70

Place a sword mark at target, target will receive addition 35% damage from phy and metal skills, last for 600 sec, only work in PvE, effect will not work with normal attack.

Sage: Damage receive debuff increase by 10%
Demon: Target also got addition 15% chance to receive crit
Thats a hard one, I like both

Mind Shatter:
lvl 39, curse

Range: 20m
Channel: 1 sec
Cooldown: 15 sec
Cast: 0.533 sec
Mp: 70

Place a sword mark at target, target will has addition 35% chance of recieve crit from wood and water skills, last for 300 sec, only work in PvE, effect will not work with normal attack.

Sage: Chance of recieve crit increase by 15%
Demon: Target will also recieve addition 15% damage
same here

Soul Shatter:
lvl 59, curse

Channel: 1 sec
Cooldown: 180 sec
Cast: 0.467 sec
Mp: 70

Place a sword mark at target, target will receive addition 120% damage from fire and earth skills and also 50% higher crit chance, only work in PvE, effect will not work with normal attack.

Sage: Damage receive effect increase by 30%
Demon: Duration increase by 10 sec
30% more vs 10 seconds +50% Crit +100% Damage
Definitly Demon>Sage


Rock Splitting Cleave:
lvl 0, attack

Range: Melee
Channel: 0.267 sec
Cooldown: 3 sec
Cast: 0.733 sec
Mp: 75

Deal base damage plus 950 extra phy damage.

Sage: Range increase to 12m
Demon: 20% to gain 50 chi
Range vs Chi, both are nice


Staggering Strike:
lvl 9, attack

Range: 12m
Channel: 0.2 sec
Cooldown: 3 sec
Cast: 0.8 sec
Mp: 70

Deal base damage plus 1380 phy damage and activate Eye of the Northern Sky.

Sage: Cooldown reduce by 1 sec
Demon: Cast time reduce by 0.2 sec
both are nearly useless b:shutup



Ion Spike:
lvl 29, attack

Range: 20m
Channel: 1.4 sec
Cooldown: 15 sec
Cast: 2 sec
Mp: 135

Deal base phy damage plus 150% weapon damage plus 3900 extra metal damage to target and nearby enemies within 12m, also 100% chance to reduce target's metal resistance by 35% for 10 seconds. Cost one spark.

Sage: Metal resistance reduce effect increase by 5%
Demon: Metal resistance reduce effect duration increase by 3 sec
Sage wins here




Stalagstrike:
lvl 29, attack

Range: Melee
Channel: 0.5 sec
Cooldown: 8 sec
Cast: 0.5 sec
Mp: 140

Deal base phy damage plus 2500 extra phy damage to all nearby enemies within 12m and activate Bloodlet.

Sage: Extra damage increase by 1500
Demon: 33% chance to cause targets to suffer 4500 damage bleed effect over 9 sec
If you are fighting Mobs sage > demon, bosses: demon>sage




Heartseeker:
lvl 39, attack

Range: 28m
Channel: 1.057 sec
Cooldown: 15 sec
Cast: 1.267 sec
Mp: 95

Deal base phy damage plus 100% weapon damage plus 2900 extra metal damage to target and also has 75% chance to paralyze target for 8seconds.

Sage: Chance of paralzye increase by 15%
Demon: Range increase by 5m
Increased Range vs increased Proc-Rate. the Proc-Rate ist allready great, so I tend to Demon



Darkcloud Bolt:
lvl 39, attack

Range: Melee
Channel: 0.3 sec
Cooldown: 8 sec
Cast: 0.7 sec
Mp: 115

Deal base phy damage plus 1700 extra phy damage to all nearby targets within 12m.

Sage: 50% to interupt target's channel
Demon: Cooldown reduce by 2 sec
Sage wins


Gemini Slash:
lvl 49, attack

Range: 28m
Channel: 3.333 sec
Cooldown: 15 sec
Cast: 2 sec
Mp: 150

Deal base phy damage plus 450% weapon damage plus 5300 extra phy damage to all nearby enemies within 12m of target and activate Spirit Bore.

Sage: extra damage increase by 2000
Demon: 33% to reduce target's movement speed by 60% for 8 sec
Sage is nice, but I also like the demon


Edged Blur:
lvl 59, attack

Range: Melee
Channel: 0.467 sec
Cooldown: 30 sec
Cast: -0.001 sec
Mp: 500

Deal base phy damage plus 6500 extra metal damage to all enemies within 8m every 3 seconds for 12seconds. Cost 2 sparks.

Sage: Attack area increase by 2m
Demon: Duration increase by 3 sec
Demon>Sage, but Sage is also nice



Yataghan Vortex:
lvl 59, attack

Range: Melee
Channel: 1.4 sec
Cooldown: 30 sec
Cast: -0.001
Mp: 435

Deal base phy damage plus 100% weapon damage plus 8300 extra phy damage to all nearby enemies within 12m every 1.5 seconds until use up all mp or skill cancel. Cost 2 spark



same here



Unfetter:
lvl 9, self bless

Channel: 0 sec
Cooldown: 70 sec
Cast: 0 sec
Mp: 60

Increase movement speed by 100% for 15seconds.

Sage: Resist to stun, slow for 4 sec
Demon: 100% chance to remove all debuff

both are equal for me

Blade Affinity:
lvl 19, self bless

Channel: 0 sec
Cooldown: 60 sec
Cast: 0 sec
Mp: 50

Increase channel speed by 85%, last for 6 seconds

Sage: Evasion increase by 50% for 6 sec
Demon: Cooldown reduce by 10 sec
sage is the better choice




Adrenal Numbness:
lvl 29, self bless

Channel: 0.4 sec
Cooldown: 15 sec
Cast: 0.5 sec
Mp: 110

Increase defense lvl by 32 for 30 minutes

Sage: Increase def lvl by 3
Demon: Accuarcy increase by 10%, last for 5 mins
can't decide




Voidstep:
lvl 39, attack

Range: 38m
Channel: 0 sec
Cooldown: 180 sec
Cast: 0.6 sec
Mp: 140 sec

Charge at target, stun target for 3 seconds. Cost 1 spark.

Sage: Stun duration increase by 1 sec
Demon: 33% not use spark
tI like the chance for not using a spark



Quid Pro Quo: lvl 59, curse

Range: 25m
Channel: 0.533 sec
Cooldown: 60 sec
Cast: 0.667 sec
Mp: 330

Transfer 10 negative status to target, silence target for 1 second.

Sage: Cooldown reduce by 15 sec, silence duration increase by 2 sec
Demon: Paralyze target for 2 sec
Sage is cool, but silenced Mobs tend to run, so
the paralyze will be helpfull




Sword and Blade Mastery:
lvl 29, passive

Damage from sword and blade type weapon increase by 75%

Sage: Damage increase to 90%
Demon: 1% crit rate

Higher Damage vs Crit. Don't know, both are nice


Celestial Eruption

Recover 20% HP, add 500% weapon damage, and reduce all damage taken by 25%
for 15 seconds. Invincible for 3 seconds.
Cost three Sparks



Demonic Eruption

Recover 20% HP, add 500% weapon damage, and increase attack speed by 25%
for 15 seconds. Invincible for 3 seconds.
Cost three Sparks


回光诀:
lvl79

Recover 40% hp, immune to stun, slow effect for 6 seconds.


翔龙剑劲:
lvl79

Deal large amount of damage to target and activate 九尊剑眼 and disarm target for 3 seconds.


九尊剑诀:
lvl100

Each attack has 20% chance to place 九尊剑眼 on target.


归刃诀:
lvl100

Reset cooldown of Unfetter, Voidstep. Increase crit rate by 15%, last for 12 seconds. Cost 2 spark.[/QUOTE]



m 2Cents. For now I think I will go Demon, but I'm just lvl74.
I think I will wait until the other Demon/Sage Skills are released, and the I decide

(C) Haden (just paste and copied the Skill description)

_Sam_Sama_ - Harshlands

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

LOL? Where is your Seeker let me drop it dead for you.

IM NOT EVEN LVL 100 yet!!!!! but im sure u cant pk my lvl 90 seeker on ur sin. Too many lvl 100 sins have tried failed miserably, oh and i got banned for some reason EFFING GOL b:angry and his EFFING TICKETS b:angryb:angryb:angry.

Okeano, i know its hard but u have to admit, Seekers def is beast. a Lvl 100 with his/her 79 skills can own ur sin. If i remember correctly ur sin is HA, Which means u wont hit 400s ur gona hits 200s b:thanks

_Sam_Sama_ - Harshlands

I forgot to say lvl 79 skills Give u anti stun. I wouldnt worry about having ten million anti stun skills, if u dont have 79 skills i suggest you carry vacuity pots.
Sins are really anoying With stun lock. UHH UHH UHHH and i know u guys liked my Role Playing thingy b:thanks

Okeano - Harshlands

_Sam_Sama_ - Harshlands wrote: »

IM NOT EVEN LVL 100 yet!!!!! but im sure u cant pk my lvl 90 seeker on ur sin. Too many lvl 100 sins have tried failed miserably, oh and i got banned for some reason EFFING GOL b:angry and his EFFING TICKETS b:angryb:angryb:angry.

Okeano, i know its hard but u have to admit, Seekers def is beast. a Lvl 100 with his/her 79 skills can own ur sin. If i remember correctly ur sin is HA, Which means u wont hit 400s ur gona hits 200s b:thanks

I don't PK on Sin anymore, it's a joke of a class. I haven't been on it for months. I play my BM now. Even if I did use Sin, I'm pretty damn sure I can drop your Seeker, 90 or 100. Please, other 100 Sins failed means nothing. Do you know how many idiot Sins are out there? 90% of them are alts made since they are butt hurt from other Sins before, and all they know is spark + Occult. Though I wouldn't underestimate the damage output of endgame CS Sins. They hit my BM's 22k+ phy def for over 1k per hit at 3+ a second. Even if my Sin only hit you for 200 per, it's 5 APS unsparked lol, which means 1k damage a second. It's not hard to keep you there for 8 seconds.

30 def level, that's all you got. If my BM can kill HA class, Barb in tiger mode or BM with Bell + phy marrow, I don't see how your 30 def level alone is going to keep you alive.

_Sam_Sama_ - Harshlands wrote: »

I forgot to say lvl 79 skills Give u anti stun. I wouldnt worry about having ten million anti stun skills, if u dont have 79 skills i suggest you carry vacuity pots.
Sins are really anoying With stun lock. UHH UHH UHHH and i know u guys liked my Role Playing thingy

Did you read over Seeker's anti stun? 6 seconds long and you have to wait for your HP drop below 40% to use.

brent40

Did you read over Seeker's anti stun? 6 seconds long and you have to wait for your HP drop below 40% to use.

Is why it still amazes me people are considering demon seekers,... Sage unfetter with the lvl 100 reset?


don't rely on the friggin 79 skill...its fail for any 1v1s...but is nice in mass PK...loved it in last TW..

collydoggy

Thanks for discussing this I am still oly a lvl 13 seeker but When I finally get there I will be a sage

_Sam_Sama_ - Harshlands

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

I don't PK on Sin anymore, it's a joke of a class. I haven't been on it for months. I play my BM now. Even if I did use Sin, I'm pretty damn sure I can drop your Seeker, 90 or 100. Please, other 100 Sins failed means nothing. Do you know how many idiot Sins are out there? 90% of them are alts made since they are butt hurt from other Sins before, and all they know is spark + Occult. Though I wouldn't underestimate the damage output of endgame CS Sins. They hit my BM's 22k+ phy def for over 1k per hit at 3+ a second. Even if my Sin only hit you for 200 per, it's 5 APS unsparked lol, which means 1k damage a second. It's not hard to keep you there for 8 seconds.

30 def level, that's all you got. If my BM can kill HA class, Barb in tiger mode or BM with Bell + phy marrow, I don't see how your 30 def level alone is going to keep you alive.


Did you read over Seeker's anti stun? 6 seconds long and you have to wait for your HP drop below 40% to use.

Dude i know ur BM is Well Geared but Nope Not happening. And if my hp has to be below 40% Then im never gona get to use it cuz that rarely happens. I dont have 30 def i have 50 Def lvl so far and im lvl 90. If u Were to demon spark while i was stun i would just cast Expel on myself and run around u until its over, That solves that problem b:victory

Okeano - Harshlands

_Sam_Sama_ - Harshlands wrote: »

Dude i know ur BM is Well Geared but Nope Not happening. And if my hp has to be below 40% Then im never gona get to use it cuz that rarely happens. I dont have 30 def i have 50 Def lvl so far and im lvl 90. If u Were to demon spark while i was stun i would just cast Expel on myself and run around u until its over, That solves that problem b:victory

My Bm has +4 and +6 armor lol it's hardly well geared. I don't demon spark in PvP unless against high HP Barbs. Expel does nothing against fire damage b:chuckle, and doesn't stop me from locking you till it's up.

JohnDoe - Raging Tide

maybe since your posting the skills have changed but the posts are not accurate to what is in the game. the demon skills are better though I'd just like to inform you of that for the most part I will say demon is a more maliable more chi building character. The skills that seem like they only do a little actually do quite a lot you just have to realize how they are able to be manipulated.

Demon Heart Shatter. Demon Ion Spike(lasts 14 seconds at 35%), Demon Stalagstrike, Demon darkcloud, demon battousai(adds 5 'extra' chi--read the fine print where it says extra), adrenal numbness, and blade affinity(less cooldown), unfetter(dispels negative effects).

For those of you who know which of these skills are used for building chi and like to use the sparks that your character has as I do you will realize that the demon seeker plays to a quicker drum and even if you're just using your sparks on moves like Ion Spike to increase the damage of your metal(which you can cast more of as demon) you will have more of the casting and less of the inbetween **** with demon.


~~why didn't I go sage seeker? Because they're slow and though they have their power, they are not maliable in the same way that demon is, I've found my skills to be very fitting.

freeprincemonk

JohnDoe - Raging Tide wrote: »

maybe since your posting the skills have changed but the posts are not accurate to what is in the game. the demon skills are better though I'd just like to inform you of that for the most part I will say demon is a more maliable more chi building character. The skills that seem like they only do a little actually do quite a lot you just have to realize how they are able to be manipulated.

Demon Heart Shatter. Demon Ion Spike(lasts 14 seconds at 35%), Demon Stalagstrike, Demon darkcloud, demon battousai(adds 5 'extra' chi--read the fine print where it says extra), adrenal numbness, and blade affinity(less cooldown), unfetter(dispels negative effects).

For those of you who know which of these skills are used for building chi and like to use the sparks that your character has as I do you will realize that the demon seeker plays to a quicker drum and even if you're just using your sparks on moves like Ion Spike to increase the damage of your metal(which you can cast more of as demon) you will have more of the casting and less of the inbetween **** with demon.


~~why didn't I go sage seeker? Because they're slow and though they have their power, they are not maliable in the same way that demon is, I've found my skills to be very fitting.

sorry this is me again, different cameo. i meant Soul Shatter and also Soul sever minuet. But, also in going back and studying what I did accidently say, I must admit the heart shatter skill for demon is also great!