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MsEvilness - Heavens Tear wrote: »not sure about goldigrz 4th, but i don't have much of a clue these days
In base wars I guess we could be a lot stronger, and I guess we can beat Drakon but still can't fill as many as Drakon - so we might need a bit more time to be nr. 1 b:victory[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] OH really? What a surprise.0 -
Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »Wouldn't be surprised if Base Wars flopped though.
There's only a handful of guilds who can probably afford a base right now. So there won't be much base war action to begin with. But it should provide some decent practise.
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Shifong - Heavens Tear wrote: »There's only a handful of guilds who can probably afford a base right now. So there won't be much base war action to begin with. But it should provide some decent practise.
And urban got 4 toes.
Eitherway, its probably safe to assume all TW-ward factions will be getting it.
Plus, you can ally and stuff too so.....watch Radiance and Enrage team up.b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »Eitherway, its probably safe to assume all TW-ward factions will be getting it.
Plus, you can ally and stuff too so.....watch Radiance and Enrage team up.b:chuckle
hey if we be killin Drakon together then alright lets do it...seriously though id rather fight Enrage than any other faction but Drakon lol b:pleased0 -
Conavar - Heavens Tear wrote: »Ofc Enrage have the advantage by shear number of r9's but we are not talking about how other factions stack up Vs Enrage .. Most Factions are going to ignore Enrage as much as possible so it's how they stack up Vs one another.
And once again my point was a handful of players is to small a sample specially when you are only talking in numbers of 1 or 2 .
Enrage... 3 r9 archers... and another +12 r8. Each of them can probably squad wipe a rad squad. As a BM who got regular shotted to death by 1 of the above... you are going to tell me those 4 does not make a difference in TW?Shifong - Heavens Tear wrote: »But it's a bit too early to say the rank of guilds since none of them have fought against eachother except enrage. Comparing gear won't do you much good since it's quite hard to see the gear overall over all 80 members who participate in TW. You can have a couple rank 9's, but the rest can have **** gear. Also the amount of people that can show per guild in a 1 vs 1 TW matters. If i'm not mistaken, the only 2 guilds so far the couple months who were able to field a full 80 were enrage and radiance. I could be wrong of course.. and it could change as well for many guilds. I think that TW between Rad vs Dom vs Gold vs Drakon (if all can field 80) will depend a lot on experience, team work and strategy and not so much on gear.
I may be wrong... but I am not sure if rad field a full 80 during one of the TWs in the last month.... at least it doesn't feel like a full 80.Saeidon - Heavens Tear wrote: »Despite the fact that Conavar recently made me cry a little bit inside, I have to say he's kinda owned this little argument here.
Not sure where your numbers are coming from, but R9 +10 significantly outdd's R8+12 for archers even with attack charms, and when the target has a large number of defense levels, they aren't even in the same league. On top of that, R8 +12 isn't really that much cheaper than a +10 R9, so the point is fairly moot anyway.
I am coming from a guy who had both an +12 r8 and +10 r9. When I switch to my +10 r9, i can see my raw base attack DROP by over 3k. The only thing thats pulling for the r9 is the 30 extra attack levels from the weapon. And each additional attack level would actually benefit a +12 r8 more due to the higher base. Overall... I am pretty sure I am more familiar with ranked archer damage... then say you.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »Enrage... 3 r9 archers... and another +12 r8. Each of them can probably squad wipe a rad squad. As a BM who got regular shotted to death by 1 of the above... you are going to tell me those 4 does not make a difference in TW?
Next time I get " shotted " by a single Archer in TW it will be the First b:bye it's getting hit by 4 or 5 people at once that does the damage and they in turn are easily dropped by r8 +8 if the assists are in place.
It less about a single person and how many refines they have compared to how well they work together ( Since we are talking about Archers not Wizzies ).
So as a single person they might make a tiny difference, it's no where near as great as the difference working together makes and the influence they have when added to the amount of r9 Wizzies/Clerics/ etc which other Factions do not have. So it's a moot point trying to stack up how other factions will fair Vs each other based purely on " Well they have two r9 bows "
r9 means nothing if the rest are running around in TT90+3
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Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »Allllllllllsooooooooooooooooooo.........Drakon..what happened tonight? I thought Enrage was too pathetically weak to be able to handle you both...
Fun TW tonight though Rad.
Matro and I sat in the base thats what happened :PKnownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »Eitherway, its probably safe to assume all TW-ward factions will be getting it.
Plus, you can ally and stuff too so.....watch Radiance and Enrage team up.b:chuckle
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »I am coming from a guy who had both an +12 r8 and +10 r9. When I switch to my +10 r9, i can see my raw base attack DROP by over 3k. The only thing thats pulling for the r9 is the 30 extra attack levels from the weapon. And each additional attack level would actually benefit a +12 r8 more due to the higher base. Overall... I am pretty sure I am more familiar with ranked archer damage... then say you.
The old "I play the class, so I know more about it" routine. Well, I never used to take Inventors word for it on wizard skills and stats, I'm not about to take yours on an archer either.
The fact is, if you do the maths, its significant (depending somewhat on your description of significant I guess). Particularly when you consider that these days the mean defense level of a serious TW'er is probably around 20. On those people with 50+ defense levels, the R9 bow +10 just blows an R8 +12 out of the water, its not even close.
However, at the moment, this is just both of us blowing **** out of our asses, until some actual numbers are posted. I may throw some up later.I love drinking tea0 -
Saeidon - Heavens Tear wrote: »The old "I play the class, so I know more about it" routine. Well, I never used to take Inventors word for it on wizard skills and stats, I'm not about to take yours on an archer either.
The fact is, if you do the maths, its significant (depending somewhat on your description of significant I guess). Particularly when you consider that these days the mean defense level of a serious TW'er is probably around 20. On those people with 50+ defense levels, the R9 bow +10 just blows an R8 +12 out of the water, its not even close.
However, at the moment, this is just both of us blowing **** out of our asses, until some actual numbers are posted. I may throw some up later.
Usually if you have half a brain and you've played the class you know what you're talking about. Even in inventor's case, he may not be the best wizard around, but he can tell you which of his weapons can kill Enrage mobs faster. Just sayin'.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I'll throw some facts and figures out there, so that we actually have some raw data. Lets face it, while everyone is just posting "It's better. No its not, Yes it is, No its not >.<" its just drivel (my own post a page or so back included).
In this modern day of attack and defense levels, damage differences between weapons depend a lot on situation. This example chooses situations that are fairly standard, in an attempt to get fair results.
Assuming approx 470 dex for each archer, and assuming that the R8 user will take advantage of the PAtk charms. Each archer will use a Jones Blessing and have their weapon sharded with garnet gems. Also assuming they did not shard their armour with with DoT's.
R8 +12 user will have approx 15-20k Patk (it will show up as less than this as charms aren't taken in to account when clicking C) and 30 attack level.
R9 +10 user will have approx 12-17k Patk and 60 attack level.
So vs someone with 0 defense level, its fairly simple.
R8 will effectively hit for 19.5k - 26k.
R9 will effectively hit for 19.2k - 27.2k
I'd agree that in this scenario the increase is insignificant, and in fact when you consider that the R8 will have 4% more crit, their DPS is almost exactly the same. In this scenerio Kiyoshi is certainly right.
In TW however, a lot of people have defense levels in some form, particularly if they still have an anni blessing.
So vs a player who has 30 defense levels.
R8 will effectively hit for 15k-20k.
R9 will effectively hit for 15.6k - 22.1k.
This difference is about the same as the difference between an R8 user who is using PAtk charms, and one who is not. Or the difference between a +11 and a +12 R8 bow. IMO in this situation, the difference is significant.
Every now and then, you will of course come up against one of the big names, built to survive, who have defense levels coming out of their ***.
So vs a player who has 70 defense levels.
R8 will effectively hit for 9k - 12k
R9 will effectively hit for 10.8k - 15.3k
This difference is about the same as a +8 R8 bow against an unrefined R8 bow when attacking someone with 0 defense levels. Of course at this level, the difference goes beyond significant, and becomes huge.
So a lot of it comes down to what you are fighting most of the time, and what you care about killing. If all you do is PVE, the bows are very similar. If what you really care about is being able to take down the hardiest of TW players, the R9 bow is in another league entirely.
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Saeidon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
R8 +12 user will have approx 15-20k Patk (it will show up as less than this as charms aren't taken in to account when clicking C) and 130 attack level.
R9 +10 user will have approx 12-17k Patk and 160 attack level.
I think we're playing different games here. Archers can bearly reach 130 attack levels with full r9 gear... r8 is NOT even possible.
blessing = 30
r9 bow = 30
r9 bonus = 30
r9 belt = 3
full dots = 24
neck = 5
nirvana 2 piece bonus = 5
thats only 128 attack levels total.
But hey... if you figure out how to get 160 attack levels as an archer... let me know.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
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frenzy will get you closer being at 158...and thats if your max DoT's etc...
anyway blah blah blah i wana kill some TW mobs
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »I think we're playing different games here. Archers can bearly reach 130 attack levels with full r9 gear... r8 is NOT even possible.
blessing = 30
r9 bow = 30
r9 bonus = 30
r9 belt = 3
full dots = 24
neck = 5
nirvana 2 piece bonus = 5
thats only 128 attack levels total.
But hey... if you figure out how to get 160 attack levels as an archer... let me know.
Considering the rest of what was said, I'm surprised you didn't instantly realise that that was a typing error, not a mathematical one (particularly as I even said no DoT's were used). Original post edited to say 30 and 60 attack levels.
You're missing a few attack levels in your reply btw (not that this particularly matters), its actually possible to squeeze it up to 134
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X_trigger_X - Heavens Tear wrote: »where can I find information on these "Enrage Mobs"? I wanna tame 1.
sorry, not tameable RaWr b:chuckle*insert awesome siggy here*0 -
I know how to tame one, but I refuse to do it again due to a shattered heart. b:sadX_trigger_X - Heavens Tear wrote: »Whoever gets the 1st shot off wins anyway ... b:bye
That's what she said. b:laugh
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Saeidon - Heavens Tear wrote: »Considering the rest of what was said, I'm surprised you didn't instantly realise that that was a typing error, not a mathematical one (particularly as I even said no DoT's were used). Original post edited to say 30 and 60 attack levels.
You're missing a few attack levels in your reply btw (not that this particularly matters), its actually possible to squeeze it up to 134
I only read something up until something doesn't make sense... that's where i stop.Saeidon - Heavens Tear wrote: »R8 +12 user will have approx 15-20k Patk (it will show up as less than this as charms aren't taken in to account when clicking C) and 30 attack level.
You know +12 r8 archers can easily break 21k (upper end) damage without barb buff right.. Probably should stop hanging out with vit or ha archers. Guess this is where i stop reading again.
EDIT: Was bored enough to read a bit more... so i guess i'll make a few more remarks.
1. Of the four +12 r8 archers... three of them has r9.
2. There is maybe only a dozen or two people with 30 def levels.
3. There is more or less half a dozen (if even that) people with 70 def levels.
And since I am one of the archers who can fulfill condition one. I can tell you this... I can easily fire off 10k arrows and not hit a single target with 70 def levels. Pretty sure that's the chance for me to get a SoT out of one of those packs.
As for your 30 def level calculation... I am not even sure if 10% of my arrows falls on targets with around 30 def levels.
And finally... I'll agree with you that r9 is entirely in another "league entirely". After all I did pay 700 + refine cost for it. To me... the purge alone is worth it.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
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As I clearly stated an archer with 470 dex and garnet gems, 21k phsysical attack is unreasonable (feel free to back up your 21k Patk claim if you want of course). My calculations were done based on reasonable situations, not extremes that exist merely to try and prove some point. If in fact I took your route of pushing every single figure as far to an extreme as I possibly could to try and bolster my argument, then I could have made the damage look even more in the R9's favour. I, however, chose to present a fair test.
Considering your recent response, Kiyoshi, I can only assume that you are purposefully being stupid for trolling effect. So I'll leave you to it.I love drinking tea0 -
Sadly he isn't trolling. Remember what happened last time you thought you knew everything Saie?[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?u=14463705003&type=sigpic&dateline=1322469658[/SIGPIC]0
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IMO.
in the beginning, Enrage should have COMPLETELY wiped Rad off the map.
The fact that Rad was babied and kept there till only recently in the past months, they were just annoying.
Charity's work should have been dead and gone when they left.
but noooo
fail leaderz.
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Enrage should have? wasnt that the whole reason Tao was made because of lack of likeing the leadership in Radi, there for Tao should whiped them off the map not make a pack w/ them and salad to gank Enrage off the mapExegesis-103-Psychic--blackballs, blueballs, pinkballs, hairless balls. You got a lotta balls to be applying to Enrage...AND ask for a private denial reason? gg man. gg.0
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Nubispotze - Heavens Tear wrote: »Enrage should have? wasnt that the whole reason Tao was made because of lack of likeing the leadership in Radi, there for Tao should whiped them off the map not make a pack w/ them and salad to gank Enrage off the map
Yeah, but Radiance had lands behind Enrage that were not reachable by Tao without going trough Enrage.. They had 2 or 3 lands above Etherblade. I do agree with Cotto, that they had their time and rebuilding always sux... Enrage was in the gutter for a brief time but was never ever weak. Tao was stronger at a point but not that strong as Enrage is today compared to other TW factions. I always wish Radiance would form a new faction under a new name.. New names are always good for recruiting.. it seems new.. Unless you love antiqueties, new is pro b:pleased[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] OH really? What a surprise.0 -
Exegesis - Heavens Tear wrote: »New names are always good for recruiting.. it seems new.. Unless you love antiqueties, new is pro b:pleased
New names are just where faction hoppers go till the next best thing comes along b:cute[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Saeidon - Heavens Tear wrote: »As I clearly stated an archer with 470 dex and garnet gems, 21k phsysical attack is unreasonable (feel free to back up your 21k Patk claim if you want of course). My calculations were done based on reasonable situations, not extremes that exist merely to try and prove some point.
Here is the great thing about me... I don't have to do calculations to check what COULD have happened. I can just switch my gear around and KNOW what would have happened in the ACTUAL game that I play.
Of the four +12 r8 bows on HT. One of them is twin drakeflame, another is twin gems, 3rd is twin imacs... and i forgot the last one. I can tell you with 100% certainty that the twin gem r8 EASILY breaks 21k patk without outside buffs. So essentially it’s guaranteed that 50% of the +12 r8s will break 21k patk. The imac r8 is going to come close if not match 21k. So overall, I have a chance of being wrong for 25% of the sample size. While you are already wrong for 75% of the sample size… and have a chance slightly higher then a snowball in hell of being right for the remaining 25% sample.
In order for your calculation to even remotely hold a candle against actual users… who see the damage done every shot he takes. You are going to have to calculate everything you already done. Factor in the actually population with defense level to upset my statement. I can help you out with that one… there is barely anyone with over 20 def levels… nevertheless your 70. And finally… factor in fire damage… which is based on raw bow damage… then multiplied by attack/defense levels.
When it comes down to it all… yes, you have a chance of being right if we look at the raw damage. Just like I also have a chance of getting a SoT from my next pack. But hey… it COULD happen.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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Conavar - Heavens Tear wrote: »New names are just where faction hoppers go till the next best thing comes along b:cute
Nah... well if game is boring something has to be done to breath new life into the game.. after Tao I felt like quitting, but new challenges of building up a new faction with War Godz made me play again.. then they fell and then I joined Invidia and that fell... and then Radiance, but radi was old and hard for me to adapt in a faction where most people have their own little groups so rarely did any runs with them for anything... Then I joined Drakon cause I promised mono to join after war godz, but I didnt... Didnt like it there so I went to GoldDigrz and help to build that up and I love it here.. Sometimes you gotta search to find the place you belong, I did now and now im settled... Its a difference of being a faction jumper and being a person that look for the right place [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] OH really? What a surprise.0 -
your long term history serves you correctly exe...however your short term history seems to rub that thru the muck...not sayin anything bad, as everyone should be happy and enjoy the game they are play....
ijs b:surrender
and btw...why do archers have to be turds? b:cute[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Bale - Heavens Tear wrote: »and btw...why do archers have to be turds? b:cute
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Exegesis - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yeah, but Radiance had lands behind Enrage that were not reachable by Tao without going trough Enrage.. They had 2 or 3 lands above Etherblade. I do agree with Cotto, that they had their time and rebuilding always sux... Enrage was in the gutter for a brief time but was never ever weak. Tao was stronger at a point but not that strong as Enrage is today compared to other TW factions. I always wish Radiance would form a new faction under a new name.. New names are always good for recruiting.. it seems new.. Unless you love antiqueties, new is pro b:pleased
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