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Exegesis - Heavens Tear

Well not Maxim since Saiedon was Maxim Leader and they disbanded and he came to GoldDigrz b:victory

Andromaka - Heavens Tear

Exegesis - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well not Maxim since Saiedon was Maxim Leader and they disbanded and he came to GoldDigrz b:victory

I think u missed cona's sarcasm, ijs b:chuckle

Aesthor - Heavens Tear

QQ my teleport-to-anywhere-instantly ticket

Exegesis - Heavens Tear

Andromaka - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I think u missed cona's sarcasm, ijs b:chuckle

I guess so... Ur beauty distracted me b:sad

Andromaka - Heavens Tear

Dont feel bad, the beauty of my siggy can distract anyone b:shy

LShattered - Heavens Tear

Conavar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You forgot Maxim b:chuckle

On a serious note though it's to early to say since you need to add in the alt factor when guilds start to face each other for the first time.
Some factions have players with multiple alts in them lessening their overall strength while others have alts from other TW factions within them. What also will play a factor is where other people choose to put their alts.
If faction X accept alot of alt chars it will boost their strength considerably Vs anyone but the Alts Mains Home Faction. ( TE benefited from this alot in the past )

So yup to early to say

( archer still looking for Tw Fact )

lolPRO!!

Anneliesse - Heavens Tear

Andromaka - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Dont feel bad, the beauty of my siggy can distract anyone b:shy

i hope you are preparing the village to mass produce those items in other colors soon...

Taleon - Heavens Tear

Anneliesse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i hope you are preparing the village to mass produce those items in other colors soon...

Hell no Anne.

It has to stay in the Baby QQ/I almost won monofailmuch blue ^^

Anneliesse - Heavens Tear

Taleon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hell no Anne.

It has to stay in the baby QQ monofailmuch blue ^^

i LOVE our color QQ dont wanna lose it. i guess its ok...i just dont wanna end up with red (seems to curse most servers) or yucky RAD Orange

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Andromaka - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Its been several hours since the TW map reset was announced and yet i havent heard one single Enrage member to QQ about it.

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Exegesis - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Radiance is filled with old members and most other TWers have already been in Radiance at one point and I doubt they will return. It will be hard for Radiance to stay on the map to the end, but at this point they will be the strongest faction after Enrage...

I don't think Rad is the 2nd strongest fraction on HT anymore. That spot has been long taken by Dominus. Just take a look at the archer population. Rad has the weakest archer force, and its only r9 archer has lower refines then any of the other guilds (Enrage, Gold, Dominus)... some having up to three r9 archers. I don't think I even need to mention wizard/sin force... there is absolute no comparsion there.

Evanera - Heavens Tear

I didn't know +10 on a r9 bow was bad Kiyo?

Sure, Radiance lacks in defense core, but what about Dominus' offense compared to Rad's offense?

It's the same concept really - Rad's defense is laughable compared to Dominus', and Dominus' offense is laughable compared to Rad's offense. So in that perspective, you can't tell who is stronger.

I still think Rad is #2.

Conavar - Heavens Tear

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I didn't know +10 on a r9 bow was bad Kiyo?

It's cus he thinks there is only one in Rad b:surrender . Also Thought he would know better that a Handful don't win a War.

Radiance lacks in defense core

Don't think that's down to gear though and we would be lying to ourselves if we thought that. Tis more the " Headless Chicken Syndrome " which we are well aware needs a hell of a lot of work to get people working as one ...

Exegesis - Heavens Tear

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I didn't know +10 on a r9 bow was bad Kiyo?

Sure, Radiance lacks in defense core, but what about Dominus' offense compared to Rad's offense?

It's the same concept really - Rad's defense is laughable compared to Dominus', and Dominus' offense is laughable compared to Rad's offense. So in that perspective, you can't tell who is stronger.

I still think Rad is #2.

I agree. I still think Radiance is #2 but Dominus will probably get stronger in a month or two and take that place. I can't wait to see them fight against eachother b:cute

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I didn't know +10 on a r9 bow was bad Kiyo?

Sure, Radiance lacks in defense core, but what about Dominus' offense compared to Rad's offense?

It's the same concept really - Rad's defense is laughable compared to Dominus', and Dominus' offense is laughable compared to Rad's offense. So in that perspective, you can't tell who is stronger.

I still think Rad is #2.

+10 r9 bow is **** in terms of damage for the upgrade. +12 r8 with attack charms will out damage +10 r9 by about 100 raw damage. The same isn’t true for magic weapons… so essentially +10 r9 is just r8 with purge. This would be all nice and all, but the freaking purge is at 8%. Nice when it activates… doesn’t activate all that often.

And from a guy what doesn’t do **** in tw other the kill. It’s a lot easier to squad wipe some rad then squad wipe dominus. Dominus archers actually work together… usually when I am getting hit by 1… I am getting by 2 of his friends too. And rad archers just throw random **** and its not hard to kill them when them line up to come at me 1 by 1.

Conavar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It's cus he thinks there is only one in Rad b:surrender . Also Thought he would know better that a Handful don't win a War.

Lets see… enrage got better handful of archers… wizards… sins… barbs... maybe even bms. I don’t know about you… but that handful is getting quiet big.

Conavar - Heavens Tear

Why use R9 bows as an example if they don't factor more than r8 ?

Can't use an r9 bow as an example in one post then disregard it in the next just because it suits your arguement .. kinda contradicting yaself there.


We are not talking about Enrage though if you didn't notice and even if we were Enrage still needs those non r9 players to be able to win. Hence my point that judging a factions strength by a handful is fruitless.




Edit: stupid quotes cutting off

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Conavar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Why use R9 bows as an example if they don't factor more than r8 ?

Can't use an r9 bow as an example in one post then disregard it in the next just because it suits your arguement .. kinda contradicting yaself there.

l" lets see

I am not disregarding r9s bows as useless. I am telling mystic that +10 r9s are only a small upgrade over a high refined r8... or even that of nirvana. Which is essentially like paying 700 gold for a 8% chance to purge... for a +10 r9.

A lot of people think that r9 is going to give them a huge damage gain over r8. example: stock magic r9 could be a match for +10 r8.... not the case for bows.

I used r9 in my first post cause its a smaller sample size. Even if we expand the sample size to r8s. I don't recall any current rad archer with +12 r8 or equilvent (nirvanas). While every other guild named above... have at least 1... if not more +12 r8 or equilvent.


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Conavar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

We are not talking about Enrage though if you didn't notice and even if we were Enrage still needs those non r9 players to be able to win. Hence my point that judging a factions strength by a handful is fruitless.

Of course enrage needs non r9 players to win. But when you have one r9 player who can one shot an entire squad... you are at that much of and advantage. As far as I know... correct if i am wrong... enrage can get a full basketball game going with its r9 carriers... can rad even get a 3 on 3 going? you can say whatever you want... but that is a huge advantage.

Conavar - Heavens Tear

Ofc Enrage have the advantage by shear number of r9's but we are not talking about how other factions stack up Vs Enrage .. Most Factions are going to ignore Enrage as much as possible so it's how they stack up Vs one another.

And once again my point was a handful of players is to small a sample specially when you are only talking in numbers of 1 or 2 .

Shifong - Heavens Tear

**** it, apparently a quote won't work

Shifong - Heavens Tear

But it's a bit too early to say the rank of guilds since none of them have fought against eachother except enrage. Comparing gear won't do you much good since it's quite hard to see the gear overall over all 80 members who participate in TW. You can have a couple rank 9's, but the rest can have **** gear. Also the amount of people that can show per guild in a 1 vs 1 TW matters. If i'm not mistaken, the only 2 guilds so far the couple months who were able to field a full 80 were enrage and radiance. I could be wrong of course.. and it could change as well for many guilds. I think that TW between Rad vs Dom vs Gold vs Drakon (if all can field 80) will depend a lot on experience, team work and strategy and not so much on gear.

Saeidon - Heavens Tear

Despite the fact that Conavar recently made me cry a little bit inside, I have to say he's kinda owned this little argument here.

Not sure where your numbers are coming from, but R9 +10 significantly outdd's R8+12 for archers even with attack charms, and when the target has a large number of defense levels, they aren't even in the same league. On top of that, R8 +12 isn't really that much cheaper than a +10 R9, so the point is fairly moot anyway.

Garrand - Heavens Tear

i really hope the map reset map makes the pvp/tw scene engaging again, tho sadly i believe that side of the game will never be as interesting and diverse as it once was.

bring back mass tao-enrage-caeser drama, mass pk and week on week 3 hour wars >:]


hope to see some of u e-ragers in FW for pvp mark II b:laugh

Duckingtiger - Heavens Tear

I have to agree with shifong on this. I think as far as gear is concerned the four of us are pretty even,only being outdone by enrage.How ever when it comes to leadership,that knocks drakon out so they are at the bottom of the pyramid.I honestly dont know much about gold diggers but seeing how they dont have mono it has to be better off. The only question really is between rad and dominos.A tw between us would be very interesting i think. How ever it will be a while before that happens.So is it agreed that the rankings are as followed?

1.enrage
2/3.Rad and dominos
4.golddiggers
5.drakon

LShattered - Heavens Tear

Garrand - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i really hope the map reset map makes the pvp/tw scene engaging again, tho sadly i believe that side of the game will never be as interesting and diverse as it once was.

bring back mass tao-enrage-caeser drama, mass pk and week on week 3 hour wars >:]


hope to see some of u e-ragers in FW for pvp mark II b:laugh

GARRAND :O

If we still had Tao/Caesar/Triad around it would be so much more interesting. As for me, I'm just going to have some fun in TE. Hopefully there won't be too many people in TW at any time, since my computer ****s up so badly if there are.

EDIT: I am actually surprised at how well some Dominus people are geared. They have several awesomely geared archers/cleric/wizards.

Conavar - Heavens Tear

1.enrage
2/3.Rad and dominos
4.golddiggers
5.drakon

As it stands now pretty much I would guess apart from 4/5 since I haven't a clue how many GoldD field nowadays.

But sure it will all change and other Factions might be knocking on that list in the near future ... Will WaR/TE grow stronger with recruiting or alts etc .. One thing for sure it will be an interesting few months

LadyofReal - Heavens Tear

For the past couple of weeks Dominus has been fielding a full 80, if not close to it. I have long fallen out of touch with Radiance and therefore cannot begin to fairly speculate on how well Dominus fairs compared to them. I am, however, looking forward to a rainbow of colors on the map again, it has been an incredibly long time since I have seen that.

On a side note:

I would laugh if Enrage's new color ended up something like a baby pink, although I still love that shade of blue.

And, I'm sorry Kiyoshi, but I just thoroughly shooting arrows in your ***.

Evanera - Heavens Tear

You know, I'm actually rooting for hot pink..

Also, Isaphet, Kiyo's argument about damage comparisons between those two weapons is correct. There is a very small difference in the amount of damage the two can give.

Allllllllllsooooooooooooooooooo.........Drakon..what happened tonight? I thought Enrage was too pathetically weak to be able to handle you both...

Fun TW tonight though Rad.

MsEvilness - Heavens Tear

not sure about goldigrz 4th, but i don't have much of a clue these days

Urbanpulse - Heavens Tear

why we talkin about killin each other shouldnt we be talking about keeping enrage fully suppressed before they can take the full map again qq i hate them they make me die b:sad

MsEvilness - Heavens Tear

That's not very hard, just bore them to death... i'm sure they won't sit around for a few months with no good TWs for them

Knownase - Heavens Tear

Just note that Base Wars will be involved now too. It could be enough to entertain those who wish to have mass PvP Battles, like TW.

Wouldn't be surprised if Base Wars flopped though.