Claw barb guide

ItsAWolf - Archosaur

I suppose I've been trolled b:sad

Or he's really that stupid

BloodTyrant - Raging Tide

daryskin wrote: »

well now lets get to the real barb,,, a barb is made for tanking NOT Claws what the heck are u ppl on. U loose all that hp for what to be a squishy barb plz ( really ). Lets get a grip dying is not an option when u need to keep ur team alive unless u perfer Death to ur squad wow. I have seen the stats plz lets shoot the new noobies that thought this out . I have made stats for each and every class but this is just not right a claw barb Plz Really again wow. You ppl need to give your head a shake. As i said and agree that ppl that do play the game from the end of time know that this just is not right and barbs are NOT to be claw ppl there are made to be a true barb NOt a squishy barb. I not saying claw ppl are but just not made for a BARB. changing a barb is like changing a man into a women it is not a true form

finish? oh, ok tks for your opinion! btw we are not normal woman, we a hot chicks b:dirty

Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Have fun havin your fists go broke in the middle of boss tankin then. besides fist/claw barbs cant hold agro on group mobs cause they cant use any of their skills. doesnt matter how much better barbs look with claws or fists its called havin half the common sense of those noobish/dummys who think that claws and fists on a barb is the new common era. to me that is just down right stupid, plus barbs are suppose to hold agro with flesh ream, get agro when theres a group of mobs, and to keep the party from being targeted or being wiped. so much for your sense that fist barbs are better than the traditional axe/hammer types when they are not. if you wanna do fists go make a blademaster or archer. besides what are DDs for anyway huh? just filling space? did ya forget that its the barbs job and duty to keep the mobs off the cleric and the rest of the squad? wht bout the caster types who you squad with on occasion such as a wiz, psy, mystic, or veno? commons sense is better looking than stupidity.

omg that made my day b:laugh tks for being stupid b:laugh

Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear

Anionic - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Do you think a claw/fist barb can't wield an axe? He just said a claw/fist barb can do the same thing a normal barb can do. However, the complete opposite of what you said is true. A normal barb can only hold agro off a healer anymore. One hit from any DD and the barb loses agro. A claw/fist barb at least competes for agro in all aspects, with a 60%+ crit rate through 50% of a spark, the barb grabs and keeps agro a lot easier. Flesh Ream just can't compete with any DD.

Wht bout the genie skill alpha male hmm? did ya forget that least that genie skill can take agro back from a speedy DD? i didnt say tht claw/fist barbs cant use axes, just that its the wrong build to be using on barbs, we absorb and deal in high dmg (DPH). if ya wanna use fist/claws. go to a bm or archer not a barb. One last thing, wht would make ya think that with claw barbs around would it spread to the other classes like a disease. Claw veno?, Claw sin?, Claw psy?, Claw wiz?, Claw cleric?, and etc.

ItsAWolf - Archosaur wrote: »

I suppose I've been trolled b:sad

Or he's really that stupid

Nah im not stupid, im just being sensible. plus you might be a fool to think that claws barbs are exceptional.

BloodTyrant - Raging Tide wrote: »

omg that made my day b:laugh tks for being stupid b:laugh

OOO tht really made the sunshine come out for ya. thx for being a dirtbag and numbskull.

Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear

Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Nah im not stupid, im just being sensible.

That's what they all say b:laugh

ItsAWolf - Archosaur

Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wht bout the genie skill alpha male hmm? did ya forget that least that genie skill can take agro back from a speedy DD?

That skill resets aggro, the little aggro it gives will be taken back by the 'speedy DD' after a second

i didnt say tht claw/fist barbs cant use axes, just that its the wrong build to be using on barbs, we absorb and deal in high dmg (DPH). if ya wanna use fist/claws. go to a bm or archer not a barb.

You still absorb damage just as well, the little HP you lose doesn't mean much in PvE. You deal more damage than a vit barb, since they're stuck with useless vit, while a claw barb at least gets some crit out of its dex.

Why would I want to make a BM when I like the barb's skills much better? I spend 90% of my time in tiger form using my tiger skills and speed. Going by your argumentation archers are meant to use bows, not claws, so I'm not sure why you're bringing those up unless you want to prove yourself wrong.

One last thing, wht would make ya think that with claw barbs around would it spread to the other classes like a disease. Claw veno?, Claw sin?, Claw psy?, Claw wiz?, Claw cleric?, and etc.

I have no problem whatsoever with any class using any weapons they please, as long as they can perform their role adequately. Clerics that are able to wear claws are fine by me, as long as their heals are good enough when they switch to a magic weapon, just like barbs should only wear claws if they're good enough at tanking groups of mobs when they switch to tiger form.

Same goes for any other class.

Nah im not stupid, im just being sensible. plus you might be a fool to think that claws barbs are exceptional.

They're not exceptional, just more useful than a clawless barb when they have the appropriate gear. Your failure to see the use for claws just makes you ignorant or a troll. I'm not saying every barb should go claws, some people may not like the play style or can't afford the gear, I respect that. You in turn should respect the fact that some barbs don't want to be clawless and like to kill bosses quicker.

OOO tht really made the sunshine come out for ya. thx for being a dirtbag and numbskull.

Ryuhei - Heavens Tear

Different day same argument since day one, now to not look at the forums for another 6months to see the same argument again in 6months.b:bye

gerad

Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Have fun havin your fists go broke in the middle of boss tankin then. besides fist/claw barbs cant hold agro on group mobs cause they cant use any of their skills. doesnt matter how much better barbs look with claws or fists its called havin half the common sense of those noobish/dummys who think that claws and fists on a barb is the new common era. to me that is just down right stupid, plus barbs are suppose to hold agro with flesh ream, get agro when theres a group of mobs, and to keep the party from being targeted or being wiped. so much for your sense that fist barbs are better than the traditional axe/hammer types when they are not. if you wanna do fists go make a blademaster or archer. besides what are DDs for anyway huh? just filling space? did ya forget that its the barbs job and duty to keep the mobs off the cleric and the rest of the squad? wht bout the caster types who you squad with on occasion such as a wiz, psy, mystic, or veno? commons sense is better looking than stupidity.

That is the rant of a noob who obviously does not have a claw barb. Obviously does not know how to play a barb. If you can't pull and tank a group of mobs using your claw barb then you are not much of a tank. So quit playing now. I got both claw and non claw. So you obviously don't understand the game. Get with it. Or get out!!

BarbNoc - Dreamweaver

gerad wrote: »

That is the rant of a noob who obviously does not have a claw barb. Obviously does not know how to play a barb. If you can't pull and tank a group of mobs using your claw barb then you are not much of a tank. So quit playing now. I got both claw and non claw. So you obviously don't understand the game. Get with it. Or get out!!

I agree with gerad. b:thanks

_Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear

Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wht bout the genie skill alpha male hmm? did ya forget that least that genie skill can take agro back from a speedy DD? i didnt say tht claw/fist barbs cant use axes, just that its the wrong build to be using on barbs, we absorb and deal in high dmg (DPH). if ya wanna use fist/claws. go to a bm or archer not a barb. One last thing, wht would make ya think that with claw barbs around would it spread to the other classes like a disease. Claw veno?, Claw sin?, Claw psy?, Claw wiz?, Claw cleric?, and etc.

So what its alright to have clawrchers but not claw barbs?
Fail nabs are fail i suppose b:surrender

_Ghoul_ - Lost City

claw barbs crith damage is same as my normal hit so ya claw barb crith is gona be lame.

you are happy with 60% crith but if i crith ill do double ur damage as a STR barb with my hammer.

so you might get a lil better dps using ur claw but ur axe will suffer greatly and u look very lame.


and ur WOW damage with crith i can easly say is very lame.

300 vs 600 str gues who gona kill more in pvp when ur using axes or hammer NOW that all ur gear is int **** with evesion sht.

oooh if you think aps is nice ya it might be but from sin not a lame barb.


claw barb is wana be sin bm nothing more b:bye

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

_Ghoul_ - Lost City wrote: »

claw barbs crith damage is same as my normal hit so ya claw barb crith is gona be lame.

you are happy with 60% crith but if i crith ill do double ur damage as a STR barb with my hammer.


300 vs 600 str gues who gona kill more in pvp when ur using axes or hammer NOW that all ur gear is int **** with evesion sht.

Must be one of those 400 dex claw builds, eh? The difference between a min dex build and a claw barb (200 dex) is 140 stat points. Alot of the difference is made up by +stat gear also, cutting the str difference to about 100, so if you are comparing an axe build with 600 str you should compare it to a 460-500 str claw build.

Even though I favor claw build, I don't agree with pwi that claws refine disproportionately better than axes. .83 aps axes with +0 refines and 1.43 claws with +0 refines have the same dps. Add refines, claws get an advantage. Add the aps gear, claws get the advantage. Add crit, claws get the advantage... See the them?

Not to mention your 720 accuracy compared to 4k accuracy on claw barbs. Sure, take the time to spam 100% accuracy skills and I'll be moving out of range, interupting, or placing my own stuns in before you can.

If you want to compare an aps barb with 500 str using his axes vs a pure 600 str axe barb, triple sparked the dph is about 3% different. Unsparked its closer to 12%. So you've traded accuracy, evasion, crit (and crit-zerk combo), gears versatility, and chi gain for a tiny boost in your dph.

Here's your fools hat, do some more tricks to make us laugh.

craiscrais

Whats the dex required for a deicide claw barb,i mean the dex i need to add without +from gear considering using TT90/99 set or r8

BloodTyrant - Raging Tide

craiscrais wrote: »

Whats the dex required for a deicide claw barb,i mean the dex i need to add without +from gear considering using TT90/99 set or r8

the dex base for a deicide is 193 http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/16104
with tt99 gears and dex orn you might need around 160-180 dex base (depending on your gear set)

here is one of the basic aps builds for a barb http://pwcalc.com/09010210baf033f5 im using 162 dex with +38 dex from gear, reaching 200 points for an aditional crit %

TexanTank - Raging Tide

Hey my stats at level 90 demon are 110 vit 290 str 60 dex base.
I have 11.6k hp in tiger (working on getting tt90 armor atm)
So far I have no trouble tanking (bh fc tt) other then holding aggro from aps.

I just did tt 1-2 solo using npc claws, it went a lot smoother then not using them.
Should put the rest of my points into dex then restat to have enough for Gorenox Vanity?

Pretty much just do pve and tw.

BloodTyrant - Raging Tide

TexanTank - Raging Tide wrote: »

Hey my stats at level 90 demon are 110 vit 290 str 60 dex base.
I have 11.6k hp in tiger (working on getting tt90 armor atm)
So far I have no trouble tanking (bh fc tt) other then holding aggro from aps.

I just did tt 1-2 solo using npc claws, it went a lot smoother then not using them.
Should put the rest of my points into dex then restat to have enough for Gorenox Vanity?

Pretty much just do pve and tw.

not now, i advice u to wait until reaching 99/100 then u can restat some vit points to dex, and get at least a deicide or TT100, and also having at least 15k hp standing with claws, else you'll just look like a bm

FkinMaltaMan - Sanctuary

Clawbarb is outdated...

/r9

CraisCray - Momaganon

the restat at 95 is very good,just did.it and i got some deicides,2 aps base what i can say is at this lvl all u do is tt fc bh nw having a lot lower hp is not a such big difference,you will feel it later at bh100,tw but with a good.sharded gear it should be fine

Ranker - Raging Tide

very nice an I have been a aps barb for a long time most of what I hear is true but I go back anthink over it so I made a bm for my aps deals an my barb be the best it can be. ty for posting this info.. xD

IBaMBii - Heavens Tear

so the claw barb is dead now? thats such a shame to hear if its true ..

HrunsPanda - Archosaur

Depends, its appearently dead if you can afford r9.3+12 and you want to pvp with it.

If you are a poor chap who can afford nirvana +5/+7 and wants to farm te become richer, then APS is still a very good option.

IBaMBii - Heavens Tear

i miss all my old chaps in here, i ran aps till the very end.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

IBaMBii - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i miss all my old chaps in here, i ran aps till the very end.

Whu? Why would it be dead?

Roar_King - Sanctuary

Hello guys, my first post on this forum.

I still building my aps barb, this is my gear: http://pwcalc.com/967b83cc3bb1a466

When i can i post a screen of my max stats on aps.

BloodTyrant - Raging Tide

IBaMBii - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i miss all my old chaps in here, i ran aps till the very end.

told u all to stop summoning me like that >.> , aps barbs will never die, they just go back to hell and come when summoned! wassup bambi! long time no see u gurl b:bye

MetzliDemon - Harshlands

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Look at your barb.

Now look at me.

Now back to him

Now back to me.


Sadly, he isn't me, but if he stopped using lady's dual axes and switched to 5 aps w/ claws he could tank like me.


Look down, back up, where are you? You're in a TT with the barb your barb could tank like.

What's in your hand? Back at me, I have is an inventory with those nirvana crystals you love. Look back, the crystals are now gold mats.

Anything is possible when your barb tanks like a man and not a lady, I'm on a boat.

Hahaha, best intro ever XD
I already wondered about creating a claw barb.. I've an axe barb, a normal tank barb because I created it to be, exactly, a tank!.. And I suppose Barbs can't be hybrid that way, using claw or axe whenever they want (that'd **** up both builds)... So, yeah, maybe one day, this post will be very useful when the day I'll create a claw barb comes

IBaMBii - Heavens Tear

BloodTyrant - Raging Tide wrote: »

told u all to stop summoning me like that >.> , aps barbs will never die, they just go back to hell and come when summoned! wassup bambi! long time no see u gurl b:bye

wooooow long time no see; I see youre still alive and kicking eh? I decided to come back and show all the barbs who ran away from aps while I was away that I can still survive in the bloodbath of all this new stuff. b:chuckle

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

MetzliDemon - Harshlands wrote: »

And I suppose Barbs can't be hybrid that way, using claw or axe whenever they want (that'd **** up both builds)...

It doesn't mess up axe build. In fact most claw barbs still use axes 85% of the time, but swap to claws when its most fitting. Its all about versatility, chi growth, spark ability, and just having more options and more to contribute to the squad.

A bare minimum dex barb will have 60 dex and need to restat 140 points towards dex from either strength or vit. Many axe-only barbs have gone with 80 or 100 dex for the accuracy/crit boost to help them hold aggro. For them it's only 100 points moved to dex.

So, 100-140 more points in dex is roughly 2-3k hp loss. A big deal when you only have 14k hp, almost nothing when you have 35k hp. The trade off is in your paint heals and chi gain. You'll be able to invoke, sunder, triple spark resisist alot more often to take less damage. You'll also be able to pull down thousands more in paint heals a second, giving you more survivability. The axe barb spends almost zero time actually triple sparked while the clawbarb is triple sparked constantly, so while the vit-axe build might pull down 1500 a second in bp heals the claw barb can easily get 4-10k heals in bloodpaint per second.

Going claws doesn't **** up a "tank build" or an axe build. In fact, who is going to tank, the 200k dps build or the 40k dps build who doesn't spark but spams FR the whole time?

IBaMBii - Heavens Tear

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

It doesn't mess up axe build. In fact most claw barbs still use axes 85% of the time, but swap to claws when its most fitting. Its all about versatility, chi growth, spark ability, and just having more options and more to contribute to the squad.

A bare minimum dex barb will have 60 dex and need to restat 140 points towards dex from either strength or vit. Many axe-only barbs have gone with 80 or 100 dex for the accuracy/crit boost to help them hold aggro. For them it's only 100 points moved to dex.

So, 100-140 more points in dex is roughly 2-3k hp loss. A big deal when you only have 14k hp, almost nothing when you have 35k hp. The trade off is in your paint heals and chi gain. You'll be able to invoke, sunder, triple spark resisist alot more often to take less damage. You'll also be able to pull down thousands more in paint heals a second, giving you more survivability. The axe barb spends almost zero time actually triple sparked while the clawbarb is triple sparked constantly, so while the vit-axe build might pull down 1500 a second in bp heals the claw barb can easily get 4-10k heals in bloodpaint per second.

Going claws doesn't **** up a "tank build" or an axe build. In fact, who is going to tank, the 200k dps build or the 40k dps build who doesn't spark but spams FR the whole time?

On a side note, the accuracy is alot better than just an axe built barb, yes you have blood bath, but I see barbs with accuracy gems and you dont need it. Thats another reason why BMs dont go (or shouldnt) go full axe due to the loss of accuracy against sins and archers, they would always miss. So just throwing that out there.

BloodTyrant - Raging Tide

IBaMBii - Heavens Tear wrote: »

wooooow long time no see; I see youre still alive and kicking eh? I decided to come back and show all the barbs who ran away from aps while I was away that I can still survive in the bloodbath of all this new stuff. b:chuckle

yupp xD took a few months break but im back now, gah unfortunately the good old aps barbs are in different servers, WTB CROSS SERVER STONE b:cry

and bleh lately i've been thinking on roll str build, since my bm is there for the rare occasions of TT/ other apsneeding instances, he got 22k hp so i don't really see why keep up with my aps build, also with NW here, aps is outdated for some classes. but yeah, still thinking about it.


ps: that stupid moment u close the tab after writting a wall of text >.>

IBaMBii - Heavens Tear

BloodTyrant - Raging Tide wrote: »

yupp xD took a few months break but im back now, gah unfortunately the good old aps barbs are in different servers, WTB CROSS SERVER STONE b:cry

and bleh lately i've been thinking on roll str build, since my bm is there for the rare occasions of TT/ other apsneeding instances, he got 22k hp so i don't really see why keep up with my aps build, also with NW here, aps is outdated for some classes. but yeah, still thinking about it.


ps: that stupid moment u close the tab after writting a wall of text >.>

aww dude WHY DID YOU HAVE TO PICK RAGING TIDES
Im so lonely here on HT.. qq.. but no, I decided to stay claw! believe it or not! I will go r9 build for everything but still keep my dex for claws for accuracy and farming (when needed).. and its nice actually to whip out the claws on the hard opponents.. But with my r9 build and claw build, my crit will be insane and will still have the hp to support a DD , be tank when i need to.. but eff being a cata.