5aps Nerf
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Sekmeth - Raging Tide wrote: »This is going way off-topic So is there any proof of a TT99 bonus changes or just a link that doesn't work?
If the pictures in the post were taken before Genesis launch, it proves nothing. If those were taken after it, there will be no TT99 set bonus change.100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »You cannot aoe effectively with 5aps. Even blademasters have to switch weapons to do their awesome aoes.
lolwut hotkey, takes maybe half a second. You'd be switched before even reaching a mob or starting a pull.
5.0 doesn't have some sort of "downside". You keep all your awesome aoe's, skills, stats and remain exactly the same in usefulness as a non 5.0. Except you shred bosses in 30 seconds. And they don't. And lets face it, most instances involve a LOT of bosses.0 -
Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »You cannot aoe effectively with 5aps. Even blademasters have to switch weapons to do their awesome aoes.
Yes, a character with 5aps can still aoe, but that has nothing to do with the statement I made that you objected to, which was: "I think tweakz's point was that most of that damage could not be done by 5aps".
In other words: aoe damage is not 5aps damage.
Silly Fleuri,
I was disproving tweakz's point that aoe damage could not be done by 5 aps. Just because a bm is 5 aps does not mean he's going to run into 30 mobs with fist, so in no way is 5 aps disadvantaged in an aoeing situation.
Have you seen multiple sins/bm aoe? **** dies and **** dies fast, just as fast as anything in that video. And most of them can tank the hits better than any caster if agro is stolen. Hell, BMs are damn made to aoe and take hits. Sins' subsea strike + HF anyone?
So in other words, yes, most of that damage could be by done by 5 aps characters, and then they can still go make all the, what?, hardcore aoe'ers(?) look pathetic when it comes to the boss.
Important part:Just because the damage being done isn't "5 aps damage", the person still has an advantage when they reach the boss, and are in no way handicapped in aoeing. As Tweaks would like to make it sound.
And to reinforce my statement, I give you...._DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »lolwut hotkey, takes maybe half a second. You'd be switched before even reaching a mob or starting a pull.
5.0 doesn't have some sort of "downside". You keep all your awesome aoe's, skills, stats and remain exactly the same in usefulness as a non 5.0. Except you shred bosses in 30 seconds. And they don't. And lets face it, most instances involve a LOT of bosses.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »I was disproving tweakz's point that aoe damage could not be done by 5 aps. Just because a bm is 5 aps does not mean he's going to run into 30 mobs with fist, so in no way is 5 aps disadvantaged in an aoeing situation.
Not disproving me, it wasn't a point made by me.Have you seen multiple sins/bm aoe? **** dies and **** dies fast, just as fast as anything in that video. And most of them can tank the hits better than any caster if agro is stolen. Hell, BMs are damn made to aoe and take hits. Sins' subsea strike + HF anyone?
If you make it to them before they're dead. There are going to be ones not hit by all the aoe's as well, and casters kill those faster than you can run up to them. (Run up -> *poof* -> run up to another -> *poof*. Casters also don't need to take the hits: we can focus on our atk more. We have distance as an advantage as well as range tanking mag (lighter hitting / AA specialty), and self purifies. We can aoe stun and seal from a distance. With the range: a Barb can easily see when to use an Aggro skill.So in other words, yes, most of that damage could be by done by 5 aps characters, and then they can still go make all the, what?, hardcore aoe'ers(?) look pathetic when it comes to the boss.
Casters AoE range tanking multiple bosses? If boss is going down in a matter of seconds, wiz has Sutra-> undine -> BIDs -> whatever. S.Venos have Soul Degen -> Amp -> Myriad. D.Veno has Nova, Myriad, Amp. -Not so pathetic.
I'm not implying here that casters are better than 5aps in squads: I'm implying that people in general seem unaware of how to exploit casters, and even those -int BMs are wasting time picking off mobs 1 by 1 still. What I see a lot of is BMs leaving drops on the ground and HP'ing to the next mob. -Why? -probably because a caster could have it dead before they reach it if not. I'm also not suggesting that all casters are capable of being as useful as a 5aps: they need proper builds and equips too.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
I'm not implying here that casters are better than 5aps in squads: I'm implying that people in general seem unaware of how to exploit casters, and even those -int BMs are wasting time picking off mobs 1 by 1 still. What I see a lot of is BMs leaving drops on the ground and HP'ing to the next mob. -Why? -probably because a caster could have it dead before they reach it if not. I'm also not suggesting that all casters are capable of being as useful as a 5aps: they need proper builds and equips too.
We've been doing the same thing since casters came out....every time better gear came out, we moved to that gear, but nothing has changed since then....there's nothing TO exploit about most casters, because almost everything about them is known. (Except in a few cases, with all of the casters in question being Psychics...probably because they're about as played as Wizards are.)
The thing is, even if you have THE best caster (we'll take Nurfed of Harshlands for example) they still couldn't out DD someone like, let's say Michael_Dark.
No matter how well you build a caster, no matter how much better the gear might or might not be, no matter how much higher in level your caster is, you're NOT going to outdo a 5aps character.
It's not going to happen.
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ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »So in other words, yes, most of that damage could be by done by 5 aps characters, and then they can still go make all the, what?, hardcore aoe'ers(?) look pathetic when it comes to the boss.
Ok, but I still think you are not thinking this through:
I will of course agree with you that people using 5aps gear can switch weapons (and possibly armor) and do AoE damage. Some of them can even do moderate AoE damage and/or debuff without switching weapons. But most of the damage delivered, in that run, was AoE damage. And being a good 5aps character does not necessarily make you a good AoE character, nor a good cleanup or control character.
Meanwhile, being a good AoE character can easily make you useful on that kind of run even if you personally do not use -interval gear.
That kind of run can succeed without any 5aps characters. But that kind of run cannot succeed with inadequate AoEs. And, someone like a wizard, that can unload a ton of damage during a heaven's flame? I can think of some really rich 5aps characters that I would leave out, if I were building such a squad, just so I could bring along a decent wizard. (And that's even without issues like being able to work together well.)0 -
assassinsin101 wrote: »We've been doing the same thing since casters came out....every time better gear came out, we moved to that gear, but nothing has changed since then....there's nothing TO exploit about most casters, because almost everything about them is known. (Except in a few cases, with all of the casters in question being Psychics...probably because they're about as played as Wizards are.)
The thing is, even if you have THE best caster (we'll take Nurfed of Harshlands for example) they still couldn't out DD someone like, let's say Michael_Dark.
No matter how well you build a caster, no matter how much better the gear might or might not be, no matter how much higher in level your caster is, you're NOT going to outdo a 5aps character.
It's not going to happen.
Nurf the bloody thing already.
Also barbarians are kinda broken in end-game, decent casters can easy get aggro from them, not to mention some instances are very annoying (enough to deter most casters from farming them) because of boss mechanics. A 5 APS nerf should either come with the nerfing of some bosses or a re-balance of barbarian skills.
And last keep in mind a r8 wiz is cheap compared to a 5 aps sin or bm (rank8 during sale that is, even rank 9 weapon and ring isnt that bad if u save coins ahead and wait for sale). And if they changed the TT99 set bonuses 5 APS is gonna be very exclusive club to get in, because of the need for a -int tome, not to mention only demons could even get it.
All in all a nerf to 3.33aps would probably bring APS and casters on same dmg, but then again the unbalance will be great, better modifier from mag then str/dex classes have, greater range with good ability to kite and better spike dmg will make for example BM 100% pointless in pvp, only somewhat useful in TW, but even there only cause of the stuns.
Imagine this they make max aps 3.33, 3 months after almost everyone has a rank8 wiz/archerm cash shoppers for sure r9 so all tw/pvp will last like 4-5s, then ppl will QQ about this game's pvp being broken. Be happy so many players are locked in APS toons, the gears to make APS is kinda limited to not the best ones. Also many have a aps bm/sin for farming only not really for pvp.0 -
This has gone wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy off topic. Couldn't you guys just answer the dam thread question instead of arguing about 5aps vs casters, sheesh
go make ur own thread
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I have not been able to find any useful evidence that -interval gear is losing its -interval.
I have not been able to find any useful evidence of a changed interval cap.
Based on other things I have read, I believe that the 5aps "nerf" will come from emphasizing other aspects of game play, new opponents and that sort of thing. But I do not have any substantial evidence of this, either -- except that it's already present in some currently not-so-important parts of the game (like delta), and we know that the new "probably overpowered" classes will not be able to equip fists nor claws.0 -
Sekmeth - Raging Tide wrote: »Also barbarians are kinda broken in end-game, decent casters can easy get aggro from them, not to mention some instances are very annoying (enough to deter most casters from farming them) because of boss mechanics. A 5 APS nerf should either come with the nerfing of some bosses or a re-balance of barbarian skills.
And last keep in mind a r8 wiz is cheap compared to a 5 aps sin or bm (rank8 during sale that is, even rank 9 weapon and ring isnt that bad if u save coins ahead and wait for sale). And if they changed the TT99 set bonuses 5 APS is gonna be very exclusive club to get in, because of the need for a -int tome, not to mention only demons could even get it.
All in all a nerf to 3.33aps would probably bring APS and casters on same dmg, but then again the unbalance will be great, better modifier from mag then str/dex classes have, greater range with good ability to kite and better spike dmg will make for example BM 100% pointless in pvp, only somewhat useful in TW, but even there only cause of the stuns.
Imagine this they make max aps 3.33, 3 months after almost everyone has a rank8 wiz/archerm cash shoppers for sure r9 so all tw/pvp will last like 4-5s, then ppl will QQ about this game's pvp being broken. Be happy so many players are locked in APS toons, the gears to make APS is kinda limited to not the best ones. Also many have a aps bm/sin for farming only not really for pvp.
Barbs became broken the minute the first BM's went APS. They could easily hold aggro to anything as long as they had the thinking parts required to press the Flesh Ream button in Tiger Form. Now, they simply can't, and if they do get aggro, they're usually screamed at by the Cleric because they took aggro for half a second from the 5aps beside him. When is the last time you've ever seen a caster take aggro from a barb who knows what he's doing, honestly?
Of course casters are cheaper. You don't see a 5aps Psychic running around, now do you? That's because casters don't NEED it. end of story. The whole APS spam is the reason why nobody rolls Sage BM's anymore. I'm sure the people trying to sell those books appreciate it. I'm also sure that all of those who spent their time farming TT99 appreciated the -int as well.
Oh, poor, poor BM's. What was the purpose of a BM back BEFORE everybody and their mom had Aps? Oh wait.....they were DD's.
Have you ever tried killing a Wizard? Even WITHOUT Aps, it's easy as hell. Anybody who says otherwise probably isn't playing right, or is facing a mega cash-crutcher. Don't believe me? Roll an Assassin. Get to level 30 on a PvP server. DON'T spend any money on Aps. See if you don't kill any casters in a few hits via stealth. (And even out of stealth.)
Even if APS were nurfed back down, I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be so many people rolling Casters as you make it out to be. Wizards, Psychics, and archers are the LEAST played classes in PWI. The reasoning I find most commonplace is that it takes one too many thinking parts to actually plan what you're doing next.
On topic, I've also looked over the threads....there's nothing really useful coming from them yet. There's no evidence yet of any real changes that I've seen, although like Fleuri, there's evidence in our own game that this might be possible.
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assassinsin101 wrote: »Barbs became broken the minute the first BM's went APS. They could easily hold aggro to anything as long as they had the thinking parts required to press the Flesh Ream button in Tiger Form. Now, they simply can't, and if they do get aggro, they're usually screamed at by the Cleric because they took aggro for half a second from the 5aps beside him. When is the last time you've ever seen a caster take aggro from a barb who knows what he's doing, honestly?
Of course casters are cheaper. You don't see a 5aps Psychic running around, now do you? That's because casters don't NEED it. end of story. The whole APS spam is the reason why nobody rolls Sage BM's anymore. I'm sure the people trying to sell those books appreciate it. I'm also sure that all of those who spent their time farming TT99 appreciated the -int as well.
Oh, poor, poor BM's. What was the purpose of a BM back BEFORE everybody and their mom had Aps? Oh wait.....they were DD's.
Have you ever tried killing a Wizard? Even WITHOUT Aps, it's easy as hell. Anybody who says otherwise probably isn't playing right, or is facing a mega cash-crutcher. Don't believe me? Roll an Assassin. Get to level 30 on a PvP server. DON'T spend any money on Aps. See if you don't kill any casters in a few hits via stealth. (And even out of stealth.)
Even if APS were nurfed back down, I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be so many people rolling Casters as you make it out to be. Wizards, Psychics, and archers are the LEAST played classes in PWI. The reasoning I find most commonplace is that it takes one too many thinking parts to actually plan what you're doing next.
On topic, I've also looked over the threads....there's nothing really useful coming from them yet. There's no evidence yet of any real changes that I've seen, although like Fleuri, there's evidence in our own game that this might be possible.
(oh please please please please....)
Man youve faced some **** Wizards. (As have we all.....11k crits with Lv7 unsparked HeadHunt? Something is wroooooong.)
Any half decent wiz can ruin a sins day with AD/thatphysimmunegenieskillIcannevername - seal - sleep - nuke combos.
And Earth Shield plus decent gear at 100? Even with LV10 Earth shield, 8k isnt hard, and with Demon Earthshield 10.5 isnt rediculous either. That PDef + any HP = one damn annoying wizard to kill.
--Then again, I see so many Wizards using the Water Shield its rediculous. In FC, its like "wtf, do you WANT to die?", and in PvP its "Lul imma oneshot nab".
Back to 5APS being nerfed : I doubt it happening, theres no proof, theres not a great deal of point aside evening up farming capability, and im happy to watch other sins be skilless losers and just auto-pwn everything. I then proceed to roflrape them in 3 hits because it be fun. (Discounting when I get ***** but **** happens lol.).
If it WAS nerfed, I doubt too many will care. People were fine before the APS craze, theyed be fine if it went away.
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This is getting ****. Any wizard at lvl 100 can get 10k pdef fully buffed, it's so easy. Well-geared wizards should really have some 20k+ pdef.
You're citing a wizard's performance at lvl 30 as valid evidence that physical classes can kill casters easily, what a moron. Just stop posting seriously. You know nothing, probably has a lvl 30 toon and that's it.
To above:
People were fine before the APS craze because TT hasn't gotten horrific. If APS gets nerfed, TT must be reverted or it would be next to impossible to farm.Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »This is getting ****. Any wizard at lvl 100 can get 10k pdef fully buffed, it's so easy. Well-geared wizards should really have some 20k+ pdef.
You're citing a wizard's performance at lvl 30 as valid evidence that physical classes can kill casters easily, what a moron. Just stop posting seriously. You know nothing, probably has a lvl 30 toon and that's it.
To above:
People were fine before the APS craze because TT hasn't gotten horrific. If APS gets nerfed, TT must be reverted or it would be next to impossible to farm.
Nah. Did BH 3-3 Yesterday (The day before...? Timezones ftl), me (1.67APS R8+2 ) A cleric with 4k HP, a good barb, another sin in full TT90 with green 99 daggers, a good axe BM and a veno from my fac.
10 minute fight, I died 3 times, the BM died once, veno was unlucky and got bitten about 6 times.
However we won, because we knew what we were doing and worked to keep alive. Itd only have been easy with an OP 5aps. Normal 5aps +5 **** wont cut it, theyd just have been damn good DD up til everytime the boss went nuts. It took 1/3 of the barbs HP when we were debuffed and it went into onehit mode. Any BM woulda bit it if they got hit twice.
Its farmable, it just takes effort. Rib Strike is Pro, even when cast by a 1.67 APS Sin b:chuckle
And as far as I know, 5APS + Emporer is just as risky as teh old archer (With omg, a BOW) tank method, so nothing new there, 5APS still isnt "Needed".
Also, you cant get 5APS without having farmed the instance, (Imagine no cashopping for a moment) so it has to be doable by nonAPS. Nobody said it had to be easy tho.0 -
With these bosses, you could get lucky for a period and the bosses don't do anything crazy for awhile, but the longer the fight lasts, the more chances that the bosses will go crazy and unleash a combination of something horrific.
You know what? If the bosses are readily farmable without APS tanks, then no one should be complaining.Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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I have to admit, things have gone a little nuts with APS ever since the first BM's figured out it was possible. There have been a LOT of calls (from casters and non-casters alike) to have it nurfed down to 3.33 again.
Personally, I don't think it would put casters at THAT big of an advantage. As stupid as some of the Sin's posts were, it's true that there have never really been a lot of casters being rolled, even before the TB expansion, and even before the APS craze. There honestly aren't a lot of Psychics, Wizards, or Archers anymore, on any server.
We've survived without aps, and the only disadvantage I can see thusly by taking it out is the MASSIVE QQ from everybody dumb enough to spend money on it, and a lack of income from PWE. (Just another reason I doubt it will be nurfed. It doesn't take rocket science to realize just how greedy PWE is.)
I would rather enjoy aps being taken out, being a newly created non-aps Assassin, and a demon archer myself. There would be a lot fewer people NOT complaining, as it seems to me.
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Happy_Killer - Harshlands wrote: »I have to admit, things have gone a little nuts with APS ever since the first BM's figured out it was possible. There have been a LOT of calls (from casters and non-casters alike) to have it nurfed down to 3.33 again.
Personally, I don't think it would put casters at THAT big of an advantage. As stupid as some of the Sin's posts were, it's true that there have never really been a lot of casters being rolled, even before the TB expansion, and even before the APS craze. There honestly aren't a lot of Psychics, Wizards, or Archers anymore, on any server.
We've survived without aps, and the only disadvantage I can see thusly by taking it out is the MASSIVE QQ from everybody dumb enough to spend money on it, and a lack of income from PWE. (Just another reason I doubt it will be nurfed. It doesn't take rocket science to realize just how greedy PWE is.)
I would rather enjoy aps being taken out, being a newly created non-aps Assassin, and a demon archer myself. There would be a lot fewer people NOT complaining, as it seems to me.
I'm semi-fluent in chinese. I'll read the article if someone can point me in the right direction.
That text is horrible so I couldnt read it.
Hoep your point wasnt worth reading, cos I didnt read it.
@quilue Archers with bows and sins with fairly "average" aps are high DD, combined with dragons and more, we can do it, if we put in the effort and time.0 -
assassinsin101 wrote: »Barbs became broken the minute the first BM's went APS. They could easily hold aggro to anything as long as they had the thinking parts required to press the Flesh Ream button in Tiger Form. Now, they simply can't, and if they do get aggro, they're usually screamed at by the Cleric because they took aggro for half a second from the 5aps beside him. When is the last time you've ever seen a caster take aggro from a barb who knows what he's doing, honestly?
More like: what caster can't take aggro from a Barb that knows what they're doing? Even a veno can do 400k+ worth of AoE dmg in 4 seconds with only a +6 rank 8 weapon, and that's where the Barbs other aggro skill comes into use. Even if they can't hold aggro on a group of mobs: they can buy the caster(s) enough time to finish killing.Even if APS were nurfed back down, I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be so many people rolling Casters as you make it out to be. Wizards, Psychics, and archers are the LEAST played classes in PWI. The reasoning I find most commonplace is that it takes one too many thinking parts to actually plan what you're doing next.
I went from a Wiz to a Veno for a few reasons. Solo ability helps, but look at a non chi consuming AoE wiz skill like Hailstorm, and we'll use Lv.10 for example: "Water damage equal to base magic attack plus 1794.9 of weapon damage". Now compare to Veno's non chi consuming Noxious Gas: "Wood damage equal to base magic damage plus 200% of weapon damage plus 1501.4, Enemies will also suffer 1501.4 Wood damage over 9 seconds". Something like: Noxious -> Nova -> Noxious -> Fox Befuddling -> Fox Myriad -> Malefic Crush -> Fox Befuddling -> Noxious -> etc can replace a Wiz's DB in RB and a Veno isn't stuck in place when they get too much aggro so they can buy time / HP just by running circles. Mountain's Seize and Black Ice Dragon Strike are nice wiz skills but not cheaply spammable and comparable dmg can be done with a Noxious -> Nova -> Noxious combo. Pure mag venos can blow away wiz's for phys dmg on mag immune bosses as well. Wiz do have some nice aspects, but I think for casters that Veno can be more appealing.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
More like: what caster can't take aggro from a Barb that knows what they're doing? Even a veno can do 400k+ worth of AoE dmg in 4 seconds with only a +6 rank 8 weapon, and that's where the Barbs other aggro skill comes into use. Even if they can't hold aggro on a group of mobs: they can buy the caster(s) enough time to finish killing.
I went from a Wiz to a Veno for a few reasons. Solo ability helps, but look at a non chi consuming AoE wiz skill like Hailstorm, and we'll use Lv.10 for example: "Water damage equal to base magic attack plus 1794.9 of weapon damage". Now compare to Veno's non chi consuming Noxious Gas: "Wood damage equal to base magic damage plus 200% of weapon damage plus 1501.4, Enemies will also suffer 1501.4 Wood damage over 9 seconds". Something like: Noxious -> Nova -> Noxious -> Fox Befuddling -> Fox Myriad -> Malefic Crush -> Fox Befuddling -> Noxious -> etc can replace a Wiz's DB in RB and a Veno isn't stuck in place when they get too much aggro so they can buy time / HP just by running circles. Mountain's Seize and Black Ice Dragon Strike are nice wiz skills but not cheaply spammable and comparable dmg can be done with a Noxious -> Nova -> Noxious combo. Pure mag venos can blow away wiz's for phys dmg on mag immune bosses as well. Wiz do have some nice aspects, but I think for casters that Veno can be more appealing.
Have you ever even played a Wizard?
Your data is completely one-sided. You've never played another caster except a Veno (which is APS) have you?
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Okay, new argument. Venos heal better than Clerics?
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Evict - Heavens Tear wrote: »Okay, new argument. Venos heal better than Clerics?
inb4tweakzsaysyes.
whats next comparing melee dps of sin&(full mag)veno...b:shockedi am waiting for you my little flagcarriers b:kiss0 -
One of the biggest problems with 5aps is that it looks really really dumb. At end-game you just have everyone twitching around in-place constantly like they are on some drug. Show that to a friend who has never seen PWI and the will tell you how stupid it looks.
It also simplifies the gameplay down to idiot levels as almost all skills and techniques of a class are ignored in favor of auto-attack.
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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »One of the biggest problems with 5aps is that it looks really really dumb. At end-game you just have everyone twitching around in-place constantly like they are on some drug. Show that to a friend who has never seen PWI and the will tell you how stupid it looks.
It also simplifies the gameplay down to idiot levels as almost all skills and techniques of a class are ignored in favor of auto-attack.
5aps is **** for balance, **** for gameplay, and makes the game ugly.
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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »One of the biggest problems with 5aps is that it looks really really dumb. At end-game you just have everyone twitching around in-place constantly like they are on some drug. Show that to a friend who has never seen PWI and the will tell you how stupid it looks.
It also simplifies the gameplay down to idiot levels as almost all skills and techniques of a class are ignored in favor of auto-attack.
5aps is **** for balance, **** for gameplay, and makes the game ugly.
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Happy_Killer - Harshlands wrote: »Love the sig too, did Now make that one?Evict - Heavens Tear wrote: »WTB a sig like yours.
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It's impressive! I really would pay to have you make one for me! xD[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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All they have to do is limit attack speed (regardless of weapon, stats or class) to 2 attacks per second. Problem solved.Somewhat retired from PWI, now playing Hellgate Global full time0
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Tygurr - Sanctuary wrote: »All they have to do is limit attack speed (regardless of weapon, stats or class) to 2 attacks per second. Problem solved.
Players with 5.0 would leave and PWE would lose profit.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Evict - Heavens Tear wrote: »Players with 5.0 would leave and PWE would lose profit.
No they wouldnt. They already spent the money. Now they just farm for the rest, meaning PWE gets jack.0 -
Naivety - Harshlands wrote: »No they wouldnt. They already spent the money. Now they just farm for the rest, meaning PWE gets jack.
They spent money to be able to hit 5 times every second. There would be mass QQ if that was taken away. Also, I'm 2.22 APS and farming anything tedious.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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