OK Enough!

Born_Free - Harshlands

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Because that has absolutely zero to do with the response I gave to that poster. Pointless tangent. You've now been demoted back to his grade level.

Let me try and break this down for you.

Developers in big company place make sale in China.
Little company PWI take and fix patch from big company and make for here.
Little company not take into account our game and not think it different than big company.
Little company not show signs of give-a-damn to peoples playing little game.
Peoples make mad because they not show signs of give-a-damn.*
Peoples think that because they give big sales from Big company that make strong rich peoples stronger, that little company only wants their monies.

That better Janus? Or do I have to write it in crayon?

*(they've been doing it for years, varying from stupid to very serious. This would be one of those serious matters.)

Eoria is correct however, and out of the anti-QQers has probably made the most sense.
HOWEVER, it isn't right for the company to go out and randomly stick out a rep. sale.
(I can only assume that you're game for it Eoria, is because you ARE rank 8. Don't take offense if it doesn't apply.)

They announced that Nirvana was coming out with the Tideborn expansion, so people would be prepared for better players with better gear. This gave the old classes time to refine and build gear that would be suitable for a:) getting into the instance and completing it with a profit and b:) defeating or dealing high damage to those with the gear from that instance.


They didn't give anybody any warning at all that Rank 8 and 9 would be in the Cash Shop, thus **** many high level players with Nirvana and even TT over and pissing off the little people because now they have to work even HARDER to defeat people at endgame. People who merchant off Nirvana items are getting screwed, TT prices are already down because of the lack of people wanting to do them due to the 'fix'. So yes, I'd say they have a reason to be upset.

And what about people in PvP servers?

There's nothing wrong with being angry; it simply varies in contrast with the situation.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Susylu - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Even so it's annoying to suddenly wearing my underwear randomly b:laugh

You're right, game is dying. All things must come to an end, and it's been dying since day one.

You did hear that Perfect World failed as a pay-to-play right? Ever wondered why?

If none of the sales haven't occurred, PWI would have died a long time ago mind you (imo). It is a great game, but it was basically a slow grindfest. It took pretty much a year of many hours playing to get past 90 before packs came out.

That kind of game attracts people who are really into earning everything and don't mind getting everything in game through the means given, no matter how long it takes. That kind of game barely makes money, hence would have shut down a while ago for reasons of it being unprofitable, or unmanageable (everything takes money afterall).

It is kind of stupid to point out the obvious that instant wins and shinny things attract people, especially new people, with money or not. Other successful p2p games have other features that keep the player loyal, but imo PWI kind of lacked that on a gameplay bases.

Am I the only one making sort of sense to myself again b:laugh

Not gonna go into a long story, but your post reminds me of another MMO I used to play. (not RPG)

All the skilled zones that required powering up your ship and learning it's strengths and weaknesses went down the crapshoot while all the super zone populations that gave full strengths went skyrocketing.

You're right, people do want things as simple as they can get them.

Concerning Rank 8, I will reiterate that my wife and I both planned on Rank 8 for our clerics before, but of course, what drove me away from the game for 3 months before was having to farm the same fricken instance 50 bazillion times to get the coin -- this was 1.2 billion coins we were planning on farming which is a ton of Nirvana runs. Her and I duo Nirvana whenever we want. It's that easy. However, the repetitive farm/grind, for some, really gets to be a task of boredom, and I have a very short attention span. So sometimes people flock to the more simple, easier way of getting what they want, in this case, we both used coin and gold we previously had stocked up from merchanting to make our Rank 8. This does not diminish or negate the achievements others had. It makes zero sense that others find their own personal accomplishments based on how others achieve the same thing later on.

Yamiino - Heavens Tear

Obly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Why do you people fight eachother?

Some are on the side of:
I could never get that before but now i can (Happy)

Others are on the side of:
I CS anyways, so more to buy right now, and get even more Power! (Happy-ish)

Others are on the side of:
FFS I worked 2 years on gears and now get ***** cause the gear is ****. (Not so Happy)

Others are on the side of:
Ok i worked on gears, and charged some zen from time 2 time, did not completely like the new systems, but the problems where to be overcome by adapting, but now? (fairly pissed)

And then there are:
I'll just rant on because i donlt get it, but seems like fun (idiots)

So who are you mad at?

The players because the rift has become bigger? Or the company that caused the giant rift between the players?

You deceide ^_^

Company 200%, make that 1000%... and me = yellow

Though I do understand the people that are under red, however the first one is not meant to work like that in any MMO... this is the exception i guess... sadly had to be PWI...

I have some friends who did not spend a single buck to get their rank gear since they were getting money for nirvana / tt99 gear... I'm happy for them that they finally got it, but I'm sad because that means they will not make what they have worked for... nor... will be able to keep it for too long before PWI decides to release more gear.

Susylu - Heavens Tear

Obly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

So who are you mad at?

The players because the rift has become bigger? Or the company that caused the giant rift between the players?

You deceide ^_^

Not really mad at anyone but -

You know, the company is a company. The players are the customers. I know personally from working that its a pain to please everyone and an even greater annoyance to have to deal with their complaints because their wishes and goals don't coincide with the company policies and goals.

It'll be great to have a more interactive relationship between the company and the players, but in most cases like above I just want to shout at whoever I'm helping, "If you don't like it, go somewhere else."

The company doesn't comprise of one person either, but many. They're the ones working to put food on the table. We, as the customers, are just here playing a GAME for FUN. It's their job, it's our entertainment. The latter is much easier to change than the first.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »

Let me try and break this down for you.

Developers in big company place make sale in China.
Little company PWI take and fix patch from big company and make for here.
Little company not take into account our game and not think it different than big company.
Little company not show signs of give-a-damn to peoples playing little game.
Peoples make mad because they not show signs of give-a-damn.*
Peoples think that because they give big sales from Big company that make strong rich peoples stronger, that little company only wants their monies.

That better Janus? Or do I have to write it in crayon?

*(they've been doing it for years, varying from stupid to very serious. This would be one of those serious matters.)

Eoria is correct however, and out of the anti-QQers has probably made the most sense.
HOWEVER, it isn't right for the company to go out and randomly stick out a rep. sale.
(I can only assume that you're game for it Eoria, is because you ARE rank 8. Don't take offense if it doesn't apply.)

They announced that Nirvana was coming out with the Tideborn expansion, so people would be prepared for better players with better gear. This gave the old classes time to refine and build gear that would be suitable for a:) getting into the instance and completing it with a profit and b:) defeating or dealing high damage to those with the gear from that instance.


They didn't give anybody any warning at all that Rank 8 and 9 would be in the Cash Shop, thus **** many high level players with Nirvana and even TT over and pissing off the little people because now they have to work even HARDER to defeat people at endgame. People who merchant off Nirvana items are getting screwed, TT prices are already down because of the lack of people wanting to do them due to the 'fix'. So yes, I'd say they have a reason to be upset.

And what about people in PvP servers?

There's nothing wrong with being angry; it simply varies in contrast with the situation.

It's cute that you try and talk down to me, but again this is not a response to what you originally quoted. If anything, you should be quoting Yamiino as your post is a compliment of his, not a response to me, and yet another general rant about every perceived wrong in the game, which I truly don't give a **** about. Way too much nonsense about your own personal utopia of a game which has nothing to do with me.

Yamiino - Heavens Tear

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It's cute that you try and talk down to me, but again this is not a response to what you originally quoted. If anything, you should be quoting Yamiino as your post is a compliment of his, not a response to me, and yet another general rant about every perceived wrong in the game, which I truly don't give a **** about. Way too much nonsense about your own personal utopia of a game which has nothing to do with me.

Then go to your corner and stay there, not like we want your "nerdrage" comments anyway. b:cute

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Tired to read another nonsense comment about how people are "nerdraging", so going to sleep~ nn.

- /edit -

Eoria - Harshlands

Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »

Eoria is correct however, and out of the anti-QQers has probably made the most sense.
HOWEVER, it isn't right for the company to go out and randomly stick out a rep. sale.
(I can only assume that you're game for it Eoria, is because you ARE rank 8. Don't take offense if it doesn't apply.)

Of course I went 8jun because it's cheap as ****. A bunch of my guildies also went 8jun and at least three are working on 9jun at the moment. PWE has pretty much my full support when it comes to these sales.

And "it isn't right for the company to go out and randomly stick out a rep sale"? Are you ****ting me? It's entirely within PWE's rights to do it. Sure some might not see it as the moral thing to do, but morals tend to not apply to companies unless people start dying. IRL, obviously.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Yamiino - Heavens Tear wrote: »

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It's cute that you try and talk down to me, but again this is not a response to what you originally quoted. If anything, you should be quoting Yamiino as your post is a compliment of his, not a response to me, and yet another general rant about every perceived wrong in the game, which I truly don't give a **** about. Way too much nonsense about your own personal utopia of a game which has nothing to do with me.

Then go to your corner and stay there, not like we want your "nerdrage" comments anyway. b:cute

- edit -

Tired to read another nonsense comment about how people are "nerdraging", so going to sleep~ nn.

- /edit -

Hah. Why are you putting something in quotations that was never in that post you quoted to begin with? b:laugh

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Of course I went 8jun because it's cheap as ****. A bunch of my guildies also went 8jun and at least three are working on 9jun at the moment. PWE has pretty much my full support when it comes to these sales.

And "it isn't right for the company to go out and randomly stick out a rep sale"? Are you ****ting me? It's entirely within PWE's rights to do it. Sure some might not see it as the moral thing to do, but morals tend to not apply to companies unless people start dying. IRL, obviously.

You're oh so wrong. PWI must ask "Game is dead" forum users permission first if this is in their personal PWI utopia to come out with a super cheap rep sale, preferably with a 3+ month notice, like the expansions, so they can prepare their QQ arsenal 3 months in advance.

But no worries, I'm sure 100% of PWI players will all come to the same unanimous consensus as to what they think PWI should do to maximize their profits -- we have business and economics graduates here, ya know. It's certainly not the people who charge zen who PWI is, and should be, trying to appeal to.

Cortimis - Dreamweaver

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

It's just about expecting more for doing more, which has apparently escaped you. Otherwise, what is the incentive to farm, to charge more? Someone who farmed countless hours is not only mad because they are no longer envied or admired, they are mad because they could have NOT FARMED AT ALL and gotten better gear. Has that ever entered your mind? That their time could have been spent doing something else if they knew this was coming?

That point is completely irrelevant. It is a loss of prestige pure and simple. "If" all those hypothetical people who farmed "knew this was coming", they still would have had to farm the then existing gear for something to wear. Would they have just sat nakie waiting for the patch? b:surrender

BTW Janus, I stolez ur f0rum sigz

Quilue - Sanctuary

Cortimis - Dreamweaver wrote: »

That point is completely irrelevant. It is a loss of prestige pure and simple. "If" all those hypothetical people who farmed "knew this was coming", they still would have had to farm the then existing gear for something to wear. Would they have just sat nakie waiting for the patch? b:surrender

BTW Janus, I stolez ur f0rum sigz

See obviously you know nothing about any of this, let alone actually tried to farm it.

First cast Nirvana bow would have taken a good month or two to farm, or cost 200m+ to get.

Too bad a +7 Nirvana bow still loses in weapon damage to an unrefined rank8, which, need I remind you, costs 74m to get.

If all those people knew this was coming, I know at least half of them would've just stuck with Lunar, or TT99.

Of course I know why some people wouldn't be upset, because they don't farm or charge much so they have not lost much, me included. However, you must be able to understand and sympathize with both sides or all you have is pointless squabble.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver

Cortimis - Dreamweaver wrote: »

That point is completely irrelevant. It is a loss of prestige pure and simple. "If" all those hypothetical people who farmed "knew this was coming", they still would have had to farm the then existing gear for something to wear. Would they have just sat nakie waiting for the patch? b:surrender

BTW Janus, I stolez ur f0rum sigz

how naive. no, i wouldnt have choose to get a +5 nirvana g13 while i could get (easier and cheaper!) a +10 r8 sphere. i would have sat in my tt99 green sphere.

you claim that if people knew that a Porsche would cost 1k to get in a month they would have bought a random car for 10k instead of walking/using a buss/w/e? then you are an idiot.

and no it's not a loss of prestige. it directly affects my income, when random names pop up high in the tiger event.

Yamiino - Heavens Tear

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hah. Why are you putting something in quotations that was never in that post you quoted to begin with? b:laugh

Because you do it all the time b:kiss return to your corner... now! b:bye

/closebeforethisnoobragesatmeagainorillkeeplaughing

Born_Free - Harshlands

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You're oh so wrong. PWI must ask "Game is dead" forum users permission first if this is in their personal PWI utopia to come out with a super cheap rep sale, preferably with a 3+ month notice, like the expansions, so they can prepare their QQ arsenal 3 months in advance.

But no worries, I'm sure 100% of PWI players will all come to the same unanimous consensus as to what they think PWI should do to maximize their profits -- we have business and economics graduates here, ya know. It's certainly not the people who charge zen who PWI is, and should be, trying to appeal to.

The issue isn't about the Rank itself, it's how PWE distributed the way to GET that gear. There was just as much QQ about endgame gear and items being sold in packs that could be opened by all players, thus giving birth to the majority of the merchant business.

The notice is good for those of us actually, you know, WORKING for the gear instead of whipping out your Visa? Or those of us who play a PvP server? These kind of sales effect us in a very negative way, no matter which side of the coin you're on.

And the ironic thing is, almost everybody who was like: "Stop QQing about endgame gear in packs" have either quit the game, or are still playing as major cashshoppers, and are practically forces of nature when it comes to PvP and TW. (Example: Nurfed of Zulu, Tekkblade of Kylin, Jlung of SugaWater.)

We REALIZE that it's the Zen chargers who make this game go around, and of course, it's them whom the company tries to appeal to....after all, that's their wallets.
Or is it?

Anybody else remember the Territory War 'fix'? You know, the one what most endgame players spend most of their Zen on preparing for? But then we got screwed in the end due to the severe lack of actual payment for all the money we spent on items for TW?
Bottom Line-->If they wanted to attract paying players so badly, they wouldn't have screwed up Territory War so badly, among other numerous things.

If they weren't so busy trying to round up their paying players, they might consider fixing game mechanics that don't work, glitches, rubber banding, and numerous other things. Obviously, they don't care about what the paying players have to say either, because these things that even THEY have complained about have yet to be repaired.
It's shown throughout the years that very little of what we say gets anything done, no matter who is complaining about it...either they're not getting the messages, or they don't give a damn. Either way, there is absolutely no excuse. This is not the way you run a company.
For the record, as stated before, my Cleric has almost the entire set of R7 gear, just to show I am unbiased. My Psychic is the only character I have gone F2P on.

VERY FEW people had Rank 8 before this sale. It wasn't as easy to obtain, and at the very LEAST, those who did actually worked for it. This entire sale eliminated ANY SCRAP of honor or integrity in putting the hours worth of work into getting not only Rank gear, but Nirvana as well.
The MAJORITY of the Endgame playerbase has one of the three: TT99/90, Nirvana, or Rank. Even then, Rank gear is particularly tricky to get.

As said though before, it's not so much an issue of integrity as it is some random idiot spamming hypers and rank badges just to win Tiger Events. The point is, it's not right to those who worked for it to suddenly hand over ridiculous gear on a silver platter......

Which is the exact same point we all tried to make when endgame gear came out in Anniversary Packs. Deja Vu?
This sale effects everybody, indirectly or otherwise; be it paying players or those who play free to play. Anybody to say otherwise is either very misinformed, or foolish enough to not see it yet.

Yamiino - Heavens Tear

I just want to see what they make up to try to bash your post, I agree 110% with you. But people don't give a d@mn about it hence they don't get it, hence they just rant.

Would not be surprized if they were in their momma's basement playing this game @ 60 y/o eating leftovers again and again. lmao.

TigerLily - Lost City

Ive spent about 5 months to get my seconds cast Nirvana bow, about 650 million coins if i also count the +10 transfer refine cost and all the recasts. Hours and hours every day spamming TT for coins and running Nirvana for raptures. So of course it sucks that people can get an equally good weapon AND top, badge for about 10% of what i paid. It sucks even more that i could have gotten a rank9 weapon instead for about the same amount of money today.

I'm not that pissed about it tho since i already had the bow for a long time and it sure made things easier. I didn't cash shop anything for it and cheap rank8 will benefit other characters of mine. But it still feels kinda like developers taking a huge dump in my face lol. I learned my lesson tho, dont spend months trying to farm anything endgame related, its a waste of time and if you wait a bit you can get it really cheap from cash shop later lol <_<

I agree that spamming "GAME ID DEAD" wont get you anywhere but same goes for these **** treads telling people to stop QQ, it isn't that constructive either. Its like telling people to stop being mad that they wasted months, even a year farming for something thats pretty much free now.

Yamiino - Heavens Tear

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

Ive spent about 5 months to get my seconds cast Nirvana bow, about 650 million coins if i also count the +10 transfer refine cost and all the recasts. Hours and hours every day spamming TT for coins and running Nirvana for raptures. So of course it sucks that people can get an equally good weapon AND top, badge for about 10% of what i paid. It sucks even more that i could have gotten a rank9 weapon instead for about the same amount of money today.

I'm not that pissed about it tho since i already had the bow for a long time and it sure made things easier. I didn't cash shop anything for it and cheap rank8 will benefit other characters of mine. But it still feels kinda like developers taking a huge dump in my face lol. I learned my lesson tho, dont spend months trying to farm anything endgame related, its a waste of time and if you wait a bit you can get it really cheap from cash shop later lol <_<

I agree that spamming "GAME ID DEAD" wont get you anywhere but same goes for these **** treads telling people to stop QQ, it isn't that constructive either. Its like telling people to stop being mad that they wasted months, even a year farming for something thats pretty much free now.

They say we QQ when we don't we just state valid points. However people who say we do QQ are the ones QQing about us. Ironic isn't it?

If what they want is to limit us on our freedom of speech, then gtfo

If what they want is to stop reading reasonal points of why atleast 50% of the community is disapointed on how PWE is managing the game. Then again, gtfo and don't read the forums or atleast don't read these posts, so they'd not need to QQ about everyone else that thinks different.

^- ^

brent40

Must have been a good move, now people on private servers are leaving, and coming back here to give it another shot.

Yamiino - Heavens Tear

brent40 wrote: »

Must have been a good move, now people on private servers are leaving, and coming back here to give it another shot.

lmao I bet that is right, since it is an "official" version of PWI with private server status :P

brent40

Yamiino - Heavens Tear wrote: »

lmao I bet that is right, since it is an "official" version of PWI with private server status :P

Or it may bring actual balance to the PvP aspect of the game... Instead of a minority of skilled credit card swipers ruling the servers.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »

The issue isn't about the Rank itself, it's how PWE distributed the way to GET that gear. There was just as much QQ about endgame gear and items being sold in packs that could be opened by all players, thus giving birth to the majority of the merchant business.

The notice is good for those of us actually, you know, WORKING for the gear instead of whipping out your Visa? Or those of us who play a PvP server? These kind of sales effect us in a very negative way, no matter which side of the coin you're on.

And the ironic thing is, almost everybody who was like: "Stop QQing about endgame gear in packs" have either quit the game, or are still playing as major cashshoppers, and are practically forces of nature when it comes to PvP and TW. (Example: Nurfed of Zulu, Tekkblade of Kylin, Jlung of SugaWater.)

We REALIZE that it's the Zen chargers who make this game go around, and of course, it's them whom the company tries to appeal to....after all, that's their wallets.
Or is it?

Anybody else remember the Territory War 'fix'? You know, the one what most endgame players spend most of their Zen on preparing for? But then we got screwed in the end due to the severe lack of actual payment for all the money we spent on items for TW?
Bottom Line-->If they wanted to attract paying players so badly, they wouldn't have screwed up Territory War so badly, among other numerous things.

If they weren't so busy trying to round up their paying players, they might consider fixing game mechanics that don't work, glitches, rubber banding, and numerous other things. Obviously, they don't care about what the paying players have to say either, because these things that even THEY have complained about have yet to be repaired.
It's shown throughout the years that very little of what we say gets anything done, no matter who is complaining about it...either they're not getting the messages, or they don't give a damn. Either way, there is absolutely no excuse. This is not the way you run a company.
For the record, as stated before, my Cleric has almost the entire set of R7 gear, just to show I am unbiased. My Psychic is the only character I have gone F2P on.

VERY FEW people had Rank 8 before this sale. It wasn't as easy to obtain, and at the very LEAST, those who did actually worked for it. This entire sale eliminated ANY SCRAP of honor or integrity in putting the hours worth of work into getting not only Rank gear, but Nirvana as well.
The MAJORITY of the Endgame playerbase has one of the three: TT99/90, Nirvana, or Rank. Even then, Rank gear is particularly tricky to get.

As said though before, it's not so much an issue of integrity as it is some random idiot spamming hypers and rank badges just to win Tiger Events. The point is, it's not right to those who worked for it to suddenly hand over ridiculous gear on a silver platter......

Which is the exact same point we all tried to make when endgame gear came out in Anniversary Packs. Deja Vu?
This sale effects everybody, indirectly or otherwise; be it paying players or those who play free to play. Anybody to say otherwise is either very misinformed, or foolish enough to not see it yet.

Yeah yeah, I already got your theme, QQ last year, QQ before, QQ golden ages.. here's a nice copy/paste from a post I made a few minutes ago..

Uhh, you could always buy coin directly from the boutique and then turn around and buy your gear with it. You're acting as if there's some option now to do something you could never do before. And because cash shoppers had to pay such an enormous premium on Rank 8 last year/early this year doesn't mean their cash is worthless now.

Bought and sold things, including virtual items, have something called obsolescence or depreciation. This highly affects the value of something because the intention is to keep making products people will buy. You are gong A-HA, I R CAUGHT U PWI.. but that's what businesses do. When Apple went to the iPod touch 2nd gen 3rd gen 4th gen they didn't keep the same price on those previous generation models to get rid of them, they lowered them so everyone can get one. Consequently, PW has better gear on the horizon, thus they depreciate the value of certain things. Congratulations you know how business works now.

If a person thinks their Rank 8 is meaningless cuz of this sale, they are simply making much ado about nothing and again basing their personal accomplishments stupidly on how someone else attains it later on. You seem to think this means I love PWI. No, I simply understand when business makes business decisions for their bottom line, and, in fact, go according to market standards concerning obsolescence.

And yeah, Yamiino, keep trying to tell yourself in posts that these are valid points. I bet a good source of your gear was much more expensive and lucrative last year. I hope, by your logic, you feel bad because someone else worked harder to achieve it the year before.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »

how naive. no, i wouldnt have choose to get a +5 nirvana g13 while i could get (easier and cheaper!) a +10 r8 sphere. i would have sat in my tt99 green sphere.

you claim that if people knew that a Porsche would cost 1k to get in a month they would have bought a random car for 10k instead of walking/using a buss/w/e? then you are an idiot.

and no it's not a loss of prestige. it directly affects my income, when random names pop up high in the tiger event.

Are you serious? You just proved it was about prestige and exclusivity in the very post you say it's not. Hello? You just nerdraged about "when random names pop up in the tiger event" like it's up to you who should get good gear and win these events, and if you don't know their name they certainly shouldn't have it. Hot damn, thank you for the excellent example. b:victory

Yamiino - Heavens Tear

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yeah yeah, I already got your theme, QQ last year, QQ before, QQ golden ages.. here's a nice copy/paste from a post I made a few minutes ago..

And yeah, Yamiino, keep trying to tell yourself in posts that these are valid points. I bet a good source of your gear was much more expensive and lucrative last year. I hope, by your logic, you feel bad because someone else worked harder to achieve it the year before.


Are you serious? You just proved it was about prestige and exclusivity in the very post you say it's not. Hello? You just nerdraged about "when random names pop up in the tiger event" like it's up to you who should get good gear and win these events, and if you don't know their name they certainly shouldn't have it. Hot damn, thank you for the excellent example. b:victory

Bold = See it's there again lmfao.

Yellow = QQ moar. Actually no, 3-3 was not as hard as it is now, so it is harder now to get tt99 than before fyi. Guess you forgot about that before raging all over again.

Yawn~

Yamiino - Heavens Tear

Heh, thinking on what to say? That was a long pause b:chuckle

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Yamiino - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Bold = See it's there again lmfao.

Yellow = QQ moar. Actually no, 3-3 was not as hard as it is now, so it is harder now to get tt99 than before fyi. Guess you forgot about that before raging all over again.

Yawn~

Bold = See it's there again. Oh no, you caught me. Oh no, I caught you. Yay for pointless trivial rants.

Try again. Last year fewer people had TT99, even though it was easier and even though people saved instances. 3-3 is not that hard, and in fact is incredibly fast now due to APS being so wildly popular. Two of my good friends in game farm it duo, just cleric and BM. I've done this a few times with my wife but we have bad luck with drops so I prefer Nirvana which is more consistent, especially if I'm going to duo the instance with my wife. I also understand that your raging and trying to then play the reverse role of who's actually raging might save your ego for your own personal sake, but if I were you I'd be embarrassed at my display at utter stupidity. b:laugh

In correlation with TT 3-3 being just as easy as before, none of the more difficult world bosses are alive anymore. I used to remember scaling the coast on a ground mount doing world quest between books 10 and 11 before using aero mount and I'd always remind myself to watch out for Cenminator, who is cake nowadays. 3-3 and Nirvana are not really more difficult when the strategy for both of them has changed. Your nerdrage is cute, but wildly repetitive from nubs who don't even do the instance or suck at playing their characters in PVE.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Are you serious? You just proved it was about prestige and exclusivity in the very post you say it's not. Hello? You just nerdraged about "when random names pop up in the tiger event" like it's up to you who should get good gear and win these events, and if you don't know their name they certainly shouldn't have it. Hot damn, thank you for the excellent example. b:victory

um no? it's about 10mil and 50 event gold
random names = people that did not gradually improve the gear, climbing up in contri but were given the unfair advantage of getting end-game gear dirty cheap.

OF COURSE pwe is a company and they should focus on their profits.
but i dont see apple selling the latest ipod for the 10% of the price of the previous model.
i'm not gonna say that pwe wont make profit, i cant say that i'm experienced to that field.

neither i'm going to say that it's an unfair advantage cause they cashopped and didnt earn it, i can perfectly accept that a cashopper can "beat" me in any event.

ofc u could say "what's the difference between a random name wining a lottery, getting warsoul+12 and beating u in the event and the current sale"
first of all, it will be one and not 10.
secondly, he would still have paid more than me
the point is that people that spent less get better rewards (and not because of skill)
also spent =/= $$ it could be time etc.

w/e nerdarage about nerdaging all u want and play devil's advocate;
i dont really have anything to say if u think that it is fair

Born_Free - Harshlands

In the REAL world, when something becomes scarce, the price goes up. (Like a piece of bubble gum that Ozzy Osborne chewed on for three minutes, or a record from some band that no longer exists, etc.)
This is excluded in the case of certain electronics, and of course certain cars that AREN'T a Mustang, Ferrari, or Mercedes.

However in the case of Nirvana items and rarer TT mats, the prices have gone down, despite the lack of people doing the instances anymore. Odd? Very.

It's kind of like how in the real world, prices go up for scarce items but on Perfect World, when gold starts being spammed, the prices go up? Very little about this game's economy makes much sense.

Try again. Last year fewer people had TT99, even though it was easier and even though people saved instances. 3-3 is not that hard, and in fact is incredibly fast now due to APS being so wildly popular. Two of my good friends in game farm it duo, just cleric and BM. I've done this a few times with my wife but we have bad luck with drops so I prefer Nirvana which is more consistent, especially if I'm going to duo the instance with my wife. I also understand that your raging and trying to then play the reverse role of who's actually raging might save your ego for your own personal sake, but if I were you I'd be embarrassed at my display at utter stupidity.

In correlation with TT 3-3 being just as easy as before, none of the more difficult world bosses are alive anymore. I used to remember scaling the coast on a ground mount doing world quest between books 10 and 11 before using aero mount and I'd always remind myself to watch out for Cenminator, who is cake nowadays. 3-3 and Nirvana are not really more difficult when the strategy for both of them has changed. Your nerdrage is cute, but wildly repetitive from nubs who don't even do the instance or suck at playing their characters in PVE.

I finally agree with you on something.
TT 3-3 hasn't changed so much, it's just being amp'd because of APS and soloing venos. TT isn't MEANT to be solo'd, it never was. Instances in general aren't meant to be solo'd, because like most dungeons in most games, they're meant to bring players together and force them to cooperate outside of maiming one another. (Of course, if they didn't want it to be solo'd, they'd put a bloody cap on APS.)
If you think TT is too hard, it's probably because a:) Your squad can't play/sucks or b:) You can't play/suck.

The same holds true with Nirvana. IF you and your squad know how to play, you shouldn't have a problem. (Unless it's your first time in...I remember mine and I so bombed...)

The issue still remains that Rank gear being handed on a silver platter has all but taken all the 'enjoyment' out of working for it, and pisses off all the older players who worked hard to get Nirvana.
I can assure you that the number of people pissed about it far outnumbers those who are glad for it, QQers, nerdrage'd fools, and pro's alike.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver

Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »

I can assure you that the number of people pissed about it far outnumbers those who are glad for it, QQers, nerdrage'd fools, and pro's alike. [

actually i dont think so. the majority of players didnt have r8/9/warsoul/nirvana weapon/gear so this update is beneficial for those. it's a sale targeted to low-cashoppers, providing mass access to a previous glorified item.

i dont really thing that it's a coincidence that it's the rank armor, reputation, "the hero of the immortal legend", "glorified armor" that is on sale and not rapture/uncanny chests ("what's that nirvana u are talking about?").

sad? yes. effective? maybe. this sale pleases high+low cashoppers while **** non+mid cashoppers. time will tell.

Lutirica - Harshlands

If people dont like the changes pwi did they are more than free to leave we dont need them

Born_Free - Harshlands

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »

actually i dont think so. the majority of players didnt have r8/9/warsoul/nirvana weapon/gear so this update is beneficial for those. it's a sale targeted to low-cashoppers, providing mass access to a previous glorified item.

Unfortunately, you and I both know that it's not the low-cashshoppers buying these items...at least not the large majority. IMO, it's just being incredibly god damned lazy, either way you look at it. Maybe I'm too old fashioned and attached to the old game. Maybe it was better, and people are spreading too much 'optimism' on this whole scenario.

Either way, I strongly disagree with this. I haven't felt this pissed since they killed TW.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver

Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »

Unfortunately, you and I both know that it's not the low-cashshoppers buying these items...at least not the large majority. IMO, it's just being incredibly god damned lazy, either way you look at it. Maybe I'm too old fashioned and attached to the old game. Maybe it was better, and people are spreading too much 'optimism' on this whole scenario.

Either way, I strongly disagree with this. I haven't felt this pissed since they killed TW.

clarification: i was talking about the 72 gold r8 stuff. i think that 69$ is low cashopping
btw, it's not only about cashopping but about people that farmed stuff too.
people that farmed nirvana are.. :wing: :wing: while people that just farmed 70mil gold are rewarded with r8.

Born_Free - Harshlands

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »

clarification: i was talking about the 72 gold r8 stuff. i think that 69$ is low cashopping
btw, it's not only about cashopping but about people that farmed stuff too.
people that farmed nirvana are.. :wing: :wing: while people that just farmed 70mil gold are rewarded with r8.

I couldn't agree more, Thanos.

Bottom line of it is: It's completely irrational to complaining about QQing, because you are QQing yourself. There is nothing wrong with QQing so long as they're not spewing absolute bull, or simply going with the majority opinion because they are noob lemmings.
As stated before, QQing is all a matter of who is doing it and why.

This Rank mess is a perfectly good time to QQ, because it effects the players, all of them, one way or another...which is the whole point I was trying to make coming into this, and somehow managed to get completely off track of.