Game is dead ? SUCK IT UP!

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Tsubakey - Heavens Tear wrote: »

and what about the ppl that do not hide there status and are blatantly the same lvl range as u are that have argue the opposite and say they still find fun and joy to the game? but of course as always Mr.Dark you ignore arguments that dont suit you and target only the arguments that can benefit you or that you can troll the most.

No, I ignore the parts of a comment that aren't even worth bothering responding to you. Much of the tripe you spout is just laughable. Why argue them when I can just laugh at you believing what you actually continue to type?

b:chuckle

Lutirica - Harshlands

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

No, I ignore the parts of a comment that aren't even worth bothering responding to you. Much of the tripe you spout is just laughable. Why argue them when I can just laugh at you believing what you actually continue to type?

b:chuckle

still playing huh well it seems your not a man of your word credibility = 0

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Lutirica - Harshlands wrote: »

still playing huh well it seems your not a man of your word credibility = 0

lolwut?

Please quote me anywhere that I've said I was actually quitting?

I thought I explained what my opinion of the 'game is dead' actually meant in very simple terms. Hmm... guess not. Where are those crayons....

Lutirica - Harshlands

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

lolwut?

Please quote me anywhere that I've said I was actually quitting?

I thought I explained what my opinion of the 'game is dead' actually meant in very simple terms. Hmm... guess not. Where are those crayons....

well when the game is dead there is no reason to play is there?

VlLKASS - Sanctuary

You can try both ? cause i just did...

i laughed cause you did the same person above you

and i laughed cause i merely asumed this considering it works the same as on mobs.

I dont claim to know -everything- in or about it this game.

Oh you claim you don't know everything? Then don't post stupid stuff? Or complete blatant falcehoods.

You were talking about skills VS gear & fighting other players as if you had experience or knew wth you were even talking about. The statement of "wood" players* being weak against "metal" showed how you have NO IDEA on the very basics... & not just fighting against others but how game armours or elemental dmg or resistance works...

Ninnuam - Sanctuary

AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary wrote: »

Was that a feeble attempt of trying to be smart and a troll at the same time, i see ?
Your argument is also and still invalid.

How so? I have spent well over a year in what was one of the two biggest tw factions on the server as one of the main cata clerics. I was white named majority of the time I spent playing. When tt90 was all the rage and +3 was the average refine on armor with a few people having +5 weapons. +7 was considered uber. Being a cata cleric, I was a pretty heavy vit build which with my gear put me at some 8-9k hp. I went from being able to tank half a dozen people in TW to being a one shot in what seemed overnight. Anni packs rolled about, +10 dragon orbs were released, tomes came into play. Over a very short timespan, people went from having +5 tt90 weapons to having +10/12 heaven shatterers, neon purgatories and went 5aps on your **** before you could blink. Pk stopped being fun when people you used to one shot with similar refines got +10 refines overnight. Look at our (in)famous Wizzled and the like. He'd show up with his +12 weapon, +10 armor and 13k hp. All the skilled little pkers simply left when he'd show up and QQ over WC. Trust me, it wasn't because of his skill.

You on the other hand, joined the game half a year ago. You've never pked. You're level 97 and you didn't even know that players didn't have elemental affinities/weaknesses. I mean fine, YOU don't pk. But for the 90% of the lvl100s (even though it's a PvE server), the only bit of fun the game has to offer is TW and open pk. Those level 100s spent truckloads of money to pimp out their gear. Those that don't cash shop spent a year farming to get their tt99 and nirvana sets. Others merchanted their way saving up money to get tokens and be one of the few that had rank 8 (I know of maybe 5 on our server). Majority of them did it in order to stay competitive. Those that don't PvP have their own goals and also spent a lot of time and/or money getting their gear.

Then PWE spits in ALL their faces by making rank 8 available to EVERYONE for a price of a lunar weapon. +5 rank 8 weapon hits as hard as +10 lunar. And trust me, there's far more than a handful of those with +10/12 r8 already, and it's been two days. The sale is on for a month. Rank 9 I don't even want to think about. They may as well send a squad of r9 folks to fend of a 50 man assault in TW.

And here you are, telling us to "suck it up", after PWE screwed everyone out of everything they achieved over the past year.

I'll suck it up alright, as soon as you shut the hell up and get the fluff out. b:bye

VlLKASS - Sanctuary

Then PWE spits in ALL their faces by making rank 8 available to EVERYONE for a price of a lunar weapon. +5 rank 8 weapon hits as hard as +10 lunar.

On that note: had an archer in bh a few days ago. His unrefined r8 bow had almost same dmg as my +7Regenesis st1 nirvana b:cry & only cost me like x3 times more than rank with current sale. That's not counting the r8 chest vs nirvana one...

Lutirica - Harshlands

no one can live with the fact that you can buy rank 8 and 9 well thats to bad soon more armors will come and make those look like nothing

SilverCleric - Lost City

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

lolwut?

Please quote me anywhere that I've said I was actually quitting?

I thought I explained what my opinion of the 'game is dead' actually meant in very simple terms. Hmm... guess not. Where are those crayons....

Michael, just stop feeding the troll, its not worth it... b:sweat


EDIT: Also if the game is dead why do I still see people posting on forms or playing the game? :P

Tsubakey - Heavens Tear

VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »

On that note: had an archer in bh a few days ago. His unrefined r8 bow had almost same dmg as my +7Regenesis st1 nirvana b:cry & only cost me like x3 times more than rank with current sale. That's not counting the r8 chest vs nirvana one...

suck it up chump! your a a man and men dont cry!

Lutirica - Harshlands

Tsubakey - Heavens Tear wrote: »

suck it up chump! your a a man and men dont cry!

nice but the big question are they man enough to deal with it?

Ninnuam - Sanctuary

Lutirica - Harshlands wrote: »

nice but the big question are they man enough to deal with it?

You're absolutely right. Rank 8/9 is no big deal. Lemme know if you need a hand getting 500k for your tt70 weapon.

SilverCleric - Lost City

Lutirica - Harshlands wrote: »

nice but the big question are they man enough to deal with it?

Just wait untill Febuary and things might turn back to normal.

(Unless people are continue to rage about the new classes if they are "OP" or not).

Lutirica - Harshlands

Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »

You're absolutely right. Rank 8/9 is no big deal. Lemme know if you need a hand getting 500k for your tt70 weapon.

i dont need a hand with anything

VlLKASS - Sanctuary

Tsubakey - Heavens Tear wrote: »

suck it up chump! your a a man and men dont cry!

Pfff I'm a male archer, if you ever seen one you know we have the right to cry b:chuckle

AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary

VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »

Oh you claim you don't know everything? Then don't post stupid stuff? Or complete blatant falcehoods.

You were talking about skills VS gear & fighting other players as if you had experience or knew wth you were even talking about. The statement of "wood" players* being weak against "metal" showed how you have NO IDEA on the very basics... & not just fighting against others but how game armours or elemental dmg or resistance works...

I know fine how my armor works, and my expierence comes from, as i said, DUELS.
i gave advice from my expierence in said case.
IF such a thing is done differently in or at actual pvp servers, then so be it.

I merely asumed considering it worked the same as on MOBS as they have a base element as their stat, it was the same for a toon. that was all.

If you had simply told me that was not the case and it solemly depended on how the 5 elemtal resistances looked like on your char sheet, i would have stood corrected on that right there and then. No problem at all.
Which in this case i am. Unless my assumption from your rather, once again, 'finger pointing without actual answers i asked for" post.

What i did trip over was that you placed your comment rather self rightious and condescending.

ZoanoAce - Lost City

Only the weak cannot adapt, that is all

Lutirica - Harshlands

ZoanoAce - Lost City wrote: »

Only the weak cannot adapt, that is all

well said only the weak cannot take it

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

ZoanoAce - Lost City wrote: »

Only the weak cannot adapt, that is all

Hm kinda true . . but feel annoyed to at the same time b:cry
Because what they do doesn't feel right, the intentions isn't wrong but not right on how to do it

Lutirica - Harshlands

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hm kinda true . . but feel annoyed to at the same time b:cry
Because what they do doesn't feel right, the intentions isn't wrong but not right on how to do it

everyone gets annoyed when people act like this

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Lutirica - Harshlands wrote: »

everyone gets annoyed when people act like this

Hmm i am usually very calm though . . b:pleased

AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary

Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »

How so? I have spent well over a year in what was one of the two biggest tw factions on the server as one of the main cata clerics. I was white named majority of the time I spent playing. When tt90 was all the rage and +3 was the average refine on armor with a few people having +5 weapons. +7 was considered uber. Being a cata cleric, I was a pretty heavy vit build which with my gear put me at some 8-9k hp. I went from being able to tank half a dozen people in TW to being a one shot in what seemed overnight. Anni packs rolled about, +10 dragon orbs were released, tomes came into play. Over a very short timespan, people went from having +5 tt90 weapons to having +10/12 heaven shatterers, neon purgatories and went 5aps on your **** before you could blink. Pk stopped being fun when people you used to one shot with similar refines got +10 refines overnight. Look at our (in)famous Wizzled and the like. He'd show up with his +12 weapon, +10 armor and 13k hp. All the skilled little pkers simply left when he'd show up and QQ over WC. Trust me, it wasn't because of his skill.

So, in short ? : *que sad violin* I was so amazing, i could tank stuff and sh*t and still be a DD + healer. i was soo cool. then all those new players came in and kicked me off my "pro" pedestal. It's not fair !!

Seriously dude, you sound like a sniffling kid that wanted an icecream, got it and when he sees a bigger, better one in the hands of another kid starts stomping his feet and cries.

Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »

You on the other hand, joined the game half a year ago. You've never pked. You're level 97 and you didn't even know that players didn't have elemental affinities/weaknesses. I mean fine, YOU don't pk. But for the 90% of the lvl100s (even though it's a PvE server), the only bit of fun the game has to offer is TW and open pk. Those level 100s spent truckloads of money to pimp out their gear. Those that don't cash shop spent a year farming to get their tt99 and nirvana sets. Others merchanted their way saving up money to get tokens and be one of the few that had rank 8 (I know of maybe 5 on our server). Majority of them did it in order to stay competitive. Those that don't PvP have their own goals and also spent a lot of time and/or money getting their gear.

Yes i do stand corrected on the Elemental affinities/weakness's. Life is a lesson, you'll learn it when your through.
I learn new things every day and i'm certainly not too damn proud to admit i was wrong about something.
And here's also more than likely where you misinterprete alot.
to YOU and alot of other ragequitting end gamers that play this game for that fact they ARE end game it is.. indeed.. very .. very.. very much dead.
but what i am trying to say is that if people look beyond the fact that AT THE CURRENT time it might seem screwed, it already was. You just werent on the receiving end of that screwed up part. and now when you are... you do exactly the same as the people that were adressing a fact they couldn't compete because of the fact it was so ******ned hard to obtainm EVEN with a ring or weapon in a pack. hence why i say, suck it up and rage more.
and NOT in favor of PWE

Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »

Then PWE spits in ALL their faces by making rank 8 available to EVERYONE for a price of a lunar weapon. +5 rank 8 weapon hits as hard as +10 lunar. And trust me, there's far more than a handful of those with +10/12 r8 already, and it's been two days. The sale is on for a month. Rank 9 I don't even want to think about. They may as well send a squad of r9 folks to fend of a 50 man assault in TW.

And here you are, telling us to "suck it up", after PWE screwed everyone out of everything they achieved over the past year.

I'll suck it up alright, as soon as you shut the hell up and get the fluff out. b:bye

Another question, not answered. You keep talking about PK and pvp. if you are so interested and so partial to that side of this game. what on earth are you doing on a pve server !? in fact what are all the ragequitting pkers and pvpers doin on one.

Or is it simply because the competition on a pvp server IS actually too hard to handle?
make up your mind, will you ?

pvp. Player vs. player.
pve. Player vs. environment.

such a simple concept but yet so many misunderstand that.

Unless your trying to say that regardless if your on a pvp/pve server, if you dont pk/pvp at least moderately and play the who's is bigger. you are not worthy of a voice ? Puuulease.


TW ? *snorts* TW has ALWAYS been unbalanced no matter way you look at it.

Yamiino - Heavens Tear

AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary wrote: »

Another question, not answered. You keep talking about PK and pvp. if you are so interested and so partial to that side of this game. what on earth are you doing on a pve server !? in fact what are all the ragequitting pkers and pvpers doin on one.

Or is it simply because the competition on a pvp server IS actually too hard to handle?
make up your mind, will you ?

pvp. Player vs. player.
pve. Player vs. environment.

such a simple concept but yet so many misunderstand that.

Unless your trying to say that regardless if your on a pvp/pve server, if you dont pk/pvp at least moderately and play the who's is bigger. you are not worthy of a voice ? Puuulease.


TW ? *snorts* TW has ALWAYS been unbalanced no matter way you look at it.

Lol, just have to say something.

PVE gets boring when you do it 5000 times over and over, PVP is the only fun endgame resource. Should back up your comments before you post something like this.

PK / PVP has always been the endgame feature for most MMORPGs, why the hell are you in a PVE server? just to kill monsters over and over and over all day every day?

Why do you TRY TO GET good gear? To kill the same monster your pet can solo?

Why do you duel? Just to find out how it looks when people 1 shot you?

Think about it, everything on endgame involves PK/PVP and if you're not at the same or higher level as your oponent, then poor you. Your character becomes useless and unwanted. b:chuckle

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Ho ho sayonara balance b:bye

Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary

Yamiino - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Lol, just have to say something.

PVE gets boring when you do it 5000 times over and over, PVP is the only fun endgame resource. Should back up your comments before you post something like this.

PK / PVP has always been the endgame feature for most MMORPGs, why the hell are you in a PVE server? just to kill monsters over and over and over all day every day?

Why do you TRY TO GET good gear? To kill the same monster your pet can solo?

Why do you duel? Just to find out how it looks when people 1 shot you?

Think about it, everything on endgame involves PK/PVP and if you're not at the same or higher level as your oponent, then poor you. Your character becomes useless and unwanted. b:chuckle

I never quite understand how the PvP server crowd is so vehement in denial of the facts as they relate to PWI. I also don't get why the PvP server crowd aren't truly the ones driving the market, but clearly when two new servers are opened and they are both PvE, then the company has done the analysis to say that PvE servers are more profitable. The fact is, there are five PvE servers and still only two PvP servers.

In light of that, how can anyone rationally say "PVP is the only fun endgame resource." I will wholly grant that PvP may be the only fun endgame resource for you and those that enjoy PvP like you do, but to say it is the only fun for everyone just seems grossly unfounded. The overwhelming evidence of server types by count indicates that PWI players that are proftitable to the company vastly prefer PvE to PvP. To state anything that contradicts that is irrational. b:surrender

Prowler - Heavens Tear

Yamiino - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Lol, just have to say something.

PVE gets boring when you do it 5000 times over and over, PVP is the only fun endgame resource. Should back up your comments before you post something like this.

PK / PVP has always been the endgame feature for most MMORPGs, why the hell are you in a PVE server? just to kill monsters over and over and over all day every day?

Why do you TRY TO GET good gear? To kill the same monster your pet can solo?

Why do you duel? Just to find out how it looks when people 1 shot you?

Think about it, everything on endgame involves PK/PVP and if you're not at the same or higher level as your oponent, then poor you. Your character becomes useless and unwanted. b:chuckle

Some of us learnt to read at an early age, so we understood which was the PvE server, which was the PvP one, and chose according to OUR gameplay preferences.

That being said, it is indicative of a limited capability of comprehension, to fail to understand that some people prefer PvE, because they don't see a constant need to compensate for penile inadequacy by ePeening against other players in a game.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary wrote: »

I never quite understand how the PvP server crowd is so vehement in denial of the facts as they relate to PWI. I also don't get why the PvP server crowd aren't truly the ones driving the market, but clearly when two new servers are opened and they are both PvE, then the company has done the analysis to say that PvE servers are more profitable. The fact is, there are five PvE servers and still only two PvP servers.

In light of that, how can anyone rationally say "PVP is the only fun endgame resource." I will wholly grant that PvP may be the only fun endgame resource for you and those that enjoy PvP like you do, but to say it is the only fun for everyone just seems grossly unfounded. The overwhelming evidence of server types by count indicates that PWI players that are proftitable to the company vastly prefer PvE to PvP. To state anything that contradicts that is irrational. b:surrender

You wanna know why no more PvP servers are being opened? Its because those servers fail under PWI's schemes. people leave, and less people charge.

PvP servers are more competitive, your gear needs to be good, your gear needs to be the top, because you rolled that server to compete directly against other players. People farmed harder, charged harder, I'd say PvP servers had more hardcore players than PvE servers.

This is why the sales hit the PvP servers harder. YES people who charged and farmed hard do expect that they have **** no one else does. YES they, God forbid, wanted something more to have for doing more. So when PWI trolls them like this, it's the more competitive players that tend to be more upset, and you find most of them on PvP servers. This is why PWI isn't coming out with more PvP servers. It's cuz their approach fails when it comes to competitive players. This game fails for anyone who gives a damn about PvP. Can you understand that?

You, me, others, who sign on, talk to friends, and sit around a fire toasting imaginary marshmallows, yeah these sales don't affect us. See that's why the new servers are PvE.

Ninnuam - Sanctuary

Lutirica - Harshlands wrote: »

well said only the weak cannot take it

Actually, in this case, it's more like only the weak CAN take it. Both the changes, because this equals the playing field for them, and up the ****, because that's what PWE will be doing to you too if/when you actually invest a lot of time and/or money into something.

AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary wrote: »

So, in short ? : *que sad violin* I was so amazing, i could tank stuff and sh*t and still be a DD + healer. i was soo cool. then all those new players came in and kicked me off my "pro" pedestal. It's not fair !!

I never said I was a good DD. Having 200 base vit at one point didn't leave much room to DD.

You missed my point entirely though. I never QQed about new players coming in and kicking me off my "pro" pedestal. I never said I was even on a pro pedestal in the first place. I said I was having fun TWing and pking people on equal terms. In other words, I died as much as I killed (or rather, got to live being a cleric). I QQed because PWE gave them the opportunity to use their credit card, and their credit card alone to instantly become better than someone who invested a year of hard work into getting their gear. I'm not speaking only about myself here, I'm speaking about everyone who was playing the game since day one.

You're the one that insists that player skill is actually a factor in this game. Had you actually been playing long as I (we) have, you'd know better. I gave you a case-in-point explanation as to how and why. You're simply to full of yourself to see a different point of view.

to YOU and alot of other ragequitting end gamers that play this game for that fact they ARE end game it is.. indeed.. very .. very.. very much dead.
but what i am trying to say is that if people look beyond the fact that AT THE CURRENT time it might seem screwed, it already was. You just werent on the receiving end of that screwed up part. and now when you are... you do exactly the same as the people that were adressing a fact they couldn't compete because of the fact it was so ******ned hard to obtainm EVEN with a ring or weapon in a pack. hence why i say, suck it up and rage more.
and NOT in favor of PWE

Well exactly. Don't tell me you don't see anything wrong with that? The game was struggling since the introduction of those blasted anni packs. My former guild leader was the first person on the server (if not the game) to FARM a lunar ring. PWE releases anni packs the next day and suddenly 50% of the server has the same ring for charging $10. Needless to say, they quit and never looked back. You're going to tell me I'm QQing over an ice cream again. I'm trying to tell you that PWE finds new ways to kill any and all sense of achievement a person gets out of the game.

Rank 8 is doing the exact same thing, to more people, and on a bigger scale. But again you most likely can't see the bigger picture here since you've only been around for half a year. You didn't see the uproar anni packs brought, you didn't see the valentine day fiasco, you didn't witness DQ horses being put into the cash shop, you didn't have to level to 100 before hypers, oracle sales and triple BHs.

I would be HAPPY if PWE gave the new players a fair option to accomplish some of things us old timers struggled to get. Making rank 8 available for $50 is NOT the way to go about it. Re-read my previous post as to why it pisses off cash shoppers, non cash shoppers, pvp and pve players alike. It pisses off everyone who actually played this moronic game for the past year. Everyone busted their *** off in one way or another to accomplish something. Making better gear available to everyone for a mere fraction of the price (and cash shop only no less) is a really, really low blow on PWE's part.

Another question, not answered. You keep talking about PK and pvp. if you are so interested and so partial to that side of this game. what on earth are you doing on a pve server !? in fact what are all the ragequitting pkers and pvpers doin on one.

Or is it simply because the competition on a pvp server IS actually too hard to handle?
make up your mind, will you ?

pvp. Player vs. player.
pve. Player vs. environment.

such a simple concept but yet so many misunderstand that.

I came to PWI from another mmo which was PvP only. You were free game to everyone after the first 30 mins you spent playing. I enjoyed the pvp part, I didn't enjoy the drama that came with it.

So I rolled a PvE server in hopes to still have my fun farming my gear and slowly leveling up in order to be able to wear my new gear. PWI, even on PvE servers, has TW every week, and gives the players an option to enter pk mode at will past level 30. If it adds to my fun to do those things, why would it matter to you?

Unless your trying to say that regardless if your on a pvp/pve server, if you dont pk/pvp at least moderately and play the who's is bigger. you are not worthy of a voice ? Puuulease.

No, not all all. Had you actually read my previous post, I said that people who aren't interested in pvp are affected by the rep sale as well. I've been blue named for a very long time. I stopped having fun with pk when it stopped being about farming higher level gear to stay on top and started being about who can charge more zen in order to get godly refines. My refines are still the way they were a year ago and that doesn't bother me one bit. I have my fun leveling alts and farming nirvana stuff just to look pretty.

Doesn't change the fact pwe royally screwed over anyone who spent the last year getting tt99, rank8 and nirvana sets. Which again, is the majority of level 100+ on both PvE and especially PvP servers. PWE didn't shoot themselves in the foot with this one. They took a chainsaw and butchered PWI into a quadriplegic, Texas Chainsaw Massacre style.

Born_Free - Harshlands

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

You wanna know why no more PvP servers are being opened? Its because those servers fail under PWI's schemes. people leave, and less people charge.

PvP servers are more competitive, your gear needs to be good, your gear needs to be the top, because you rolled that server to compete directly against other players. People farmed harder, charged harder, I'd say PvP servers had more hardcore players than PvE servers.

This is why the sales hit the PvP servers harder. YES people who charged and farmed hard do expect that they have **** no one else does. YES they, God forbid, wanted something more to have for doing more. So when PWI trolls them like this, it's the more competitive players that tend to be more upset, and you find most of them on PvP servers. This is why PWI isn't coming out with more PvP servers. It's cuz their approach fails when it comes to competitive players. This game fails for anyone who gives a damn about PvP. Can you understand that?

You, me, others, who sign on, talk to friends, and sit around a fire toasting imaginary marshmallows, yeah these sales don't affect us. See that's why the new servers are PvE.

.....I love you.

People don't seem to understand that it's not the PvE servers that are spending the most money....because quite honestly they don't NEED to. After getting my cleric to 98 on Dreamweaver, I realized that getting to 100 was a HUGE waste of time. Thus, I rolled a Psychic.
No, it's Lost City and Harshlands who are constantly having to spend 10k just to make sure we all don't get one-shotted by 5aps R9 Assassins. And it happens all the time. Sometimes, you don't even see who kills you--it's a random player number in your chatbox, because that Assassin vanished so quickly that it couldn't even register the name correctly. (Those who don't complain about 5aps never met AlexWars.)

I don't think that the developers know/care how much these ****-ret@rded sales kill not only TW for us, but severely unbalance PvP. I mean, it's not just "Hey, let's go kill some monsters you guys" for us....Lost City and Harshlands live for maiming one another randomly without warning.

The minute that TW pay became Celestones, Kingdom, a major faction in Harshlands, BOMBED. Now Kylin, another major faction, is going through the exact same thing. Many endgame players have already left. Jlung, one of the strongest Barbs on the server, announced he was leaving just a few days ago, along with Liberty_, both of whom were major names in PvP.

I've been saying this often, but what the Developers are doing is pathetically sad.

Eoria - Harshlands

Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »

The minute that TW pay became Celestones, Kingdom, a major faction in Harshlands, BOMBED.

Kingdom was already dead when TW rewards became mirages, honey.