RE: The recent General Summer's Sale

FatherTed - Dreamweaver

It's simply PWE stating clearly "We want your money." They already intentionally killed TT farming, and now they've made Nirvaana almost unprofittable. There's no real way for non-cashers to make decent money now - and that's exactly what they want.

At the end of the day the joke is likely on them though. They are willingly killing PWI - but they think they are driving people to FW . . . I can't imagine anyone currently playing a PWE game being willing to spend a cent on any other PWE game. . . .

Susylu - Heavens Tear

FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »

At the end of the day the joke is likely on them though. They are willingly killing PWI - but they think they are driving people to FW . . . I can't imagine anyone currently playing a PWE game being willing to spend a cent on any other PWE game. . . .

Log into the game. See all those people running around? I'm sure many of them will play FW or at least try it hoping it's better.

If any of you can generalize that the game is dying because many of your friends are quitting/because of the forum posts, I'll generalize and say the game will continue on regardless for a while longer due to the number of people I still see playing, my friends still logging on, and even those that are returning. When the expansion comes out, I'll be lagging because of the masses of people trying out the new classes.

We can only make judgments on the limited scope we have of the things we see around us in game. They at least have more information on how many people play/how much money is being made, etc so in the end I think it'll probably end up the way they want it to.

Stubbie - Heavens Tear

Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yeah, okay. I don't see why it has to be so ridiculously cheap. Really, if the concern was making it easier to obtain, you could have just cut down the price for the DQ rewards. Then people would still have to make some kind of effort to get it, rather than just charge their credit card. But I guess there's not much of a profit that way, is there?

b:shockedif u only spend effort and no charging zen then PWI will die anyway:b:laugh

In my opinion, this sale is a PWI first move to get all players ( CSers and nonCSers) charge zen
I noe ppl who do not spend 1 usd on the game since the day it start. Well, nothing is free, and nothing is going to be free forever.

WEn ppl complain abt their farming effort, i find it funny . Dont you enjoy farming: isnt it a part of playing the game .

UltraBreast - Harshlands

WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »

I`m just wondering, could GMs like think of making it possible to obtain +30 def lvl blessings to make it possible to live even a bit? Could you make blessings not to affect PvP as I think they were released PvE in mind? With attacks blessings & rank 8 weps, you get feeling of being really squishy. Rank8 wep is real neat for barbs but during today it felt if I should have rerolled archer/psy/sin/mage and just gotten that rank8 there. R8 weps combined with jones blessing just hits too hard, it`s absurd, at least on our server, where decent armors are few and rare. R8 wep is so easy to obtain and it`s a lot cheaper to +10 your wep than getting warsoul belt, cube neck and refining all your armor to +10 just to counter R8 weps and at times that`s not enough, though I wish I had that sort of gear =(.

Imagine the life of a wizard who used to stand no chance against an equally geared HA class. Now arcane users finally have something that will enable them to put up a fight: Rank8. Too bad Rank8 can't benefit barb/bm as much as it can to wizard/psy. Life isn't fair. b:bye

Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear

Stubbie - Heavens Tear wrote: »

b:shockedif u only spend effort and no charging zen then PWI will die anyway:b:laugh

People would still spend money on packs/luxuries. It's bad enough that packs have weapons/gear in them, but at least you aren't directly purchasing it.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Susylu - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Log into the game. See all those people running around? I'm sure many of them will play FW or at least try it hoping it's better.

If any of you can generalize that the game is dying because many of your friends are quitting/because of the forum posts, I'll generalize and say the game will continue on regardless for a while longer due to the number of people I still see playing, my friends still logging on, and even those that are returning. When the expansion comes out, I'll be lagging because of the masses of people trying out the new classes.

We can only make judgments on the limited scope we have of the things we see around us in game. They at least have more information on how many people play/how much money is being made, etc so in the end I think it'll probably end up the way they want it to.

What people mean right now by the game is dead not because of no player playing
but the company decide to kill it them self by providing easy way to obtain almost everything
that previously need you to spent lots of money, become great merchant, or work hard on instance .. .

Yuji_Sakai - Harshlands

Susylu - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wow, so it's really bad that people who would otherwise never get it now have a chance to get it if they have a paying job. It's so unfair that you all have all the time to farm rep on a game while someone else has to work to pay for college education (for example).

It's unfair for those that actually work in game to get it (however long it may take them, which is a long time) but it's also unfair to those that can't work that long in game to get it.

I don't understand why you're all complaining that it makes the game dead. You're saying that now people will just buy their end game gear, get bored, and leave - then just be quiet and let them do that and leave, the game will be back to "normal". It was their choice to spend their cash, if you don't want to "earn" it because now someone else can get it faster than you, maybe you didn't want to legitly earn it in the first place.

The whole point of working towards a goal is for yourself, not to compare yourself to other people. If you want to go farm rep, go right ahead, it's still there, and congrats yourself for doing that and receive grats from your friends. No one else is going to care that you spent all that time getting it anyway.

Maybe their form of entertainment is spending a lot of money, getting good fast, having a little fun and moving on. Just because that's not your taste doesn't mean you should bash those that do and say that's not a "way to play the game."

If you got it through farming you're a person with too much free time on your hands (no life?), if you got it through cash you're just a bad little cash shopper. There's really no win-win so just go enjoy the game and let it run its course.

At least that's how I think.

You are arguing an entirely different point. Plz take your post to a cash shopper vs. ftp thread. No one is attacking cash shoppers, no need to defend your habits. Cash shopping makes the game run.
This is not a problem between chash shoppers and ftp players. The problem is that the ftp players are being largely left behind by this decision by PWE. So, it is PWE vs. ftp players. If there was a way for ftp players to get the same benefits from this as paying players (using work over time instead of money), then it would be fine, but there are not many ways left to get enough coin in game to pay for the expensive gold needed to take part in this.

NickHydro - Harshlands

i have friends rage quitting becuz they don't see any point in the game anymore

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Agree with Yuji_Sakai

Stubbie - Heavens Tear

UltraBreast - Harshlands wrote: »

Imagine the life of a wizard who used to stand no chance against an equally geared HA class. Now arcane users finally have something that will enable them to put up a fight: Rank8. Too bad Rank8 can't benefit barb/bm as much as it can to wizard/psy. Life isn't fair. b:bye

LOl rank 8 or not wizzy still beat the **** out of u in pk ( 5 aps only ruin pve not pvp)

Stubbie - Heavens Tear

Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

People would still spend money on packs/luxuries. It's bad enough that packs have weapons/gear in them, but at least you aren't directly purchasing it.

exactly ppl choose to spend b:laughno1 forces them to spend

Fangxing - Heavens Tear

Susylu - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wow, so it's really bad that people who would otherwise never get it now have a chance to get it if they have a paying job. It's so unfair that you all have all the time to farm rep on a game while someone else has to work to pay for college education (for example).

It's unfair for those that actually work in game to get it (however long it may take them, which is a long time) but it's also unfair to those that can't work that long in game to get it.

I don't understand why you're all complaining that it makes the game dead. You're saying that now people will just buy their end game gear, get bored, and leave - then just be quiet and let them do that and leave, the game will be back to "normal". It was their choice to spend their cash, if you don't want to "earn" it because now someone else can get it faster than you, maybe you didn't want to legitly earn it in the first place.

The whole point of working towards a goal is for yourself, not to compare yourself to other people. If you want to go farm rep, go right ahead, it's still there, and congrats yourself for doing that and receive grats from your friends. No one else is going to care that you spent all that time getting it anyway.

Maybe their form of entertainment is spending a lot of money, getting good fast, having a little fun and moving on. Just because that's not your taste doesn't mean you should bash those that do and say that's not a "way to play the game."

If you got it through farming you're a person with too much free time on your hands (no life?), if you got it through cash you're just a bad little cash shopper. There's really no win-win so just go enjoy the game and let it run its course.

At least that's how I think.

Please explain to me why you would want the average person to have the best of the best? If you were going into surgery, would you want the average person performing it? No. You ask for a specialist or a person that is much more qualified for the job. How would you feel if you worked hard for that college education, busting your behind to get up to a PH.D, and somebody who has essentially just graduated high school gets to teach as a Professor at a prestigious university or something got that position over you. You'd be pissed right, well it's like the same idea. All that work that you worked hard for becomes absolutely worthless because you don't stand out of the crowd anymore. You are not "special" you are now average. All that time, gone. All that work and effort, obsolete.

And no, people aren't saying that people are going to buy their end game gear and leave. That's stupid and makes no sense what-so-ever; the people who are so called leaving are the people who are the players who think that this is a dumb idea and don't want to stay around for more dumb ideas. Many of those players are those who have worked hard, and feel as if everything they did was for nothing because "oop, now you can get better gear for about $200".

Sure, the whole point of a goal is for yourself; however, that's a fantasy idea only obtainable if we as humans were NEVER around anybody else. Competition is everywhere in day to day life, and usually when people want to "further their education" or "further their career" is to be better than the rotten Joe that they know. We are competitive, every species is and all we want to be is better than somebody else. To get the best of the best, and the top of the top.

You are talking about being fair? That's not fair to give the "best" out to everybody because the best should only be given out to those who deserve it. Yes, you might sit up there and say, "well those people who are spending this kind of money are those who are working hard in real life"; however, there are also people who are also do nothings who spend this kind of money as well on armor in a game.

FatherTed - Dreamweaver

Susylu - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Log into the game.

Should I log out of the game first?

Should I stop watching general and world chats about people quitting? Should I stop watching my friend's list shrinking every 2 minutes?

Stubbie - Heavens Tear

Yuji_Sakai - Harshlands wrote: »

You are arguing an entirely different point. Plz take your post to a cash shopper vs. ftp thread. No one is attacking cash shoppers, no need to defend your habits. Cash shopping makes the game run.
This is not a problem between chash shoppers and ftp players. The problem is that the ftp players are being largely left behind by this decision by PWE. So, it is PWE vs. ftp players. If there was a way for ftp players to get the same benefits from this as paying players (using work over time instead of money), then it would be fine, but there are not many ways left to get enough coin in game to pay for the expensive gold needed to take part in this.

Well Life aint fair is it ? You pay u get better treatment, u dont pay u get wut offer. no complainb:laugh

Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear

Stubbie - Heavens Tear wrote: »

exactly ppl choose to spend b:laughno1 forces them to spend

...okay?

Tsubakey - Heavens Tear

Elednor - Harshlands wrote: »

This is the eqivilent of buying a consol game, getting home, opening the box and finding a bit of card inside saying:

YOU WIN

GAME OVER

Oh well, guess im gona go one shot some rank 8 with HH90 armor.

they have this already. its called "god mode"

also idk why ppl are complaining about gold prices when ppl are BUYING the gold for the jacked up prices. my friend just sold 158 gold on HT for 1.5mill per gold. its insane how much money ppl actually have in this game and what there willing to spend it on.

Susylu - Heavens Tear

Yuji_Sakai - Harshlands wrote: »

You are arguing an entirely different point. Plz take your post to a cash shopper vs. ftp thread. No one is attacking cash shoppers, no need to defend your habits. Cash shopping makes the game run.
This is not a problem between chash shoppers and ftp players. The problem is that the ftp players are being largely left behind by this decision by PWE. So, it is PWE vs. ftp players. If there was a way for ftp players to get the same benefits from this as paying players (using work over time instead of money), then it would be fine, but there are not many ways left to get enough coin in game to pay for the expensive gold needed to take part in this.

My post is not an entirely different point, it has to do with rep sale which is the point of this thread. They said it "made the game too easy, makes people quit" also that it "takes away the achievement of earning rank," and gave them another view on it.

Like I said you can get the same benefits but you'll have to EARN it like you all want to so badly, and it'll take a long time. It's providing the same benefit in a faster time for money. Yeah, it's so shocking you have to pay for special service.

Also I've farmed nirvanas and TTs more than you ever want to know or do, so it's not like I don't understand what people are feeling. I've also cash shopped, so I know how it gets like too when I want something but I have work/class/busy.

You may not be attacking cash shoppers, but the context you get from many of these people are just that, like it's their fault that they're rich enough to do what they want with their money.

Stubbie - Heavens Tear

Wut i got from Frankie post is that we are going to get evene more powerful gear than rank 8 rank 9 in further expansion . This means that r8 and r9 gear prolly be equivalent to tt90 by then b:laughu never noe . Just an assumption.

UltraBreast - Harshlands

Stubbie - Heavens Tear wrote: »

LOl rank 8 or not wizzy still beat the **** out of u in pk ( 5 aps only ruin pve not pvp)

lol wizard from a pve server talk about balance in pvp.

Evanera - Heavens Tear

So uh, you pretty much royally ****ed over anyone who got nirvana/rank 6+8 before this patch came out. I seriously hope you choose to compensate all the people you guys ****ed over with this sale because this is serious bull****.

And GG buddy, *we care about gold prices* LOL no you don't Frankie. Stop feeding us BS. It's one thing to **** people over in something like this. It's another thing to lie to people about it.

Stubbie - Heavens Tear

UltraBreast - Harshlands wrote: »

lol wizard from a pve server talk about balance in pvp.

so ur saying wizzy from pve sever dont noe how to pk and have no talk ?!!

b:shocked Are you even a wizzy ?

Naturion - Dreamweaver

since new things are coming out, you guys better have this cheap sale every now and then so other people can achieve this later, if you dont then it wouldnt be fair to the others in the future.

Stubbie - Heavens Tear

Naturion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

since new things are coming out, you guys better have this cheap sale every now and then so other people can achieve this later, if you dont then it wouldnt be fair to the others in the future.

b:shockedthey better put it back on sale , coz i cant spend 1600 usd at onceb:thanks

Tsubakey - Heavens Tear

guys, prepare for rank 10 and rank 11.

just saying

Summer_Blush - Heavens Tear

i seriously dont see why people care so much, its just anniversary packs all over again

Guess what? game didn't Die then ....

Susylu - Heavens Tear

Fangxing - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Please explain to me why you would want the average person to have the best of the best?

Now who's being unfair? You're saying that an average person shouldn't enjoy a game? You can be pissed, but that's how life works. Some people have med Ph.Ds and work at a fast food restaurant while noob artists that make **** for art get paid millions.

It's not worthless - that's your own mentality. If you're one to say what I have is worthless because someone else has it better than me you need to seriously get a grip and move on.

All that work that you worked hard for becomes absolutely worthless because you don't stand out of the crowd anymore. You are not "special" you are now average. All that time, gone. All that work and effort, obsolete.

Trust me, even if you did "stand out" by your own logic, you really won't be noticed by many other players, and if you do not for long. Getting the rank traditionally will still make you stand out anyway to your own group of people which is what matters

And no, people aren't saying that people are going to buy their end game gear and leave. That's stupid and makes no sense what-so-ever; the people who are so called leaving are the people who are the players who think that this is a dumb idea and don't want to stay around for more dumb ideas. Many of those players are those who have worked hard, and feel as if everything they did was for nothing because "oop, now you can get better gear for about $200".

Maybe you should go back and read some posts. The people that are leaving that worked hard, couldn't control their frustration at this lost of "self worth" and quit. There are people that have worked hard (trust me, we've farmed for many countless hours for refines and gear and stuff) but are still willing to work hard are still here

Sure, the whole point of a goal is for yourself; however, that's a fantasy idea only obtainable if we as humans were NEVER around anybody else. Competition is everywhere in day to day life, and usually when people want to "further their education" or "further their career" is to be better than the rotten Joe that they know. We are competitive, every species is and all we want to be is better than somebody else. To get the best of the best, and the top of the top.

Competition is good when it's healthy, and you realize that there will always be someone better than you/better off than you. When you fall, get back up again.

You are talking about being fair? That's not fair to give the "best" out to everybody because the best should only be given out to those who deserve it. Yes, you might sit up there and say, "well those people who are spending this kind of money are those who are working hard in real life"; however, there are also people who are also do nothings who spend this kind of money as well on armor in a game.


I never said it was fair, rather I hoped to point out it was unfair to both sides, and that regardless of the unfairness, it is your own choice for ruining the gaming experience because you can't handle your competitive nature and pride

Gosh people I'm running on 4 hours of sleep please go easy on me b:laugh

I respect everything you've said though, and I completely understand what you're feeling and going through. I just hope some of my mentality rubs off on you so you can continue playing the game just for the sake of playing the game and having fun in your own way.

Tsubakey - Heavens Tear

Summer_Blush - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i seriously dont see why people care so much, its just anniversary packs all over again

Guess what? game didn't Die then ....

yes but whats funny is i seen a few ppl in this thread suggest putting the general summer stuff and rank stuff in PACKS as if it was a great idea. i had to seriously LOL to myself and think "seriously? packs? seriously? seriously......?"

but thats how ****ed up ppls logic is. then thats when i fully realized that ppl just 100% love to complain and make a fuss about something.

Genital_Wart - Harshlands

Stubbie - Heavens Tear wrote: »

so ur saying wizzy from pve sever dont noe how to pk and have no talk ?!!

b:shocked Are you even a wizzy ?

b:surrender lvl 91 wiz in harshland before hyper stone came out. Quit because of the unbalance caused by -int Fist BM and Sin.

But now I'm considering coming back on my wiz because of Rank 8. With Rank 8/9 and possible even better future weapons, Wizards, whose skills have huge % bonus, will once more become the king of PK. b:pleased

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Summer_Blush - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i seriously dont see why people care so much, its just anniversary packs all over again

Guess what? game didn't Die then ....

It's a combo
first it pack = i don't really care we still get limited by rep or instance farm for end game gears

now these come = what left here now ? if you has zen it work fine, if you a good merchant you still fine, but for those f2p who don't have lots gold saving before these come ?

It's like exodus those who survive will get r8/9 then get trolled again by rank X introduction or set higher than nirvana b:angry

The game isn't died because no one play, but died because there not much left . .
Everyone use r8 as standard on end game, farming is pointless since weaker end game armor cost more than r8 now. What a newbie f2p can do after reaching high lv with the economy like these ?

Charge zen or become great merchant is the way . ..
I am rich enough to afford those thing but most of my friends not . .

Summer_Blush - Heavens Tear

Tsubakey - Heavens Tear wrote: »

but thats how ****ed up ppls logic is. then thats when i fully realized that ppl just 100% love to complain and make a fuss about something.

Too true, that's why ive limited how much i use these forums simply because its just a bunch of whiny people finding something to grief someone else over or complain about

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The game isn't died because no one play, but died because there not much left . .
Everyone use r8 as standard on end game, farming is pointless since weaker end game armor cost more than r8 now. What a newbie f2p can do with the economy ?

im F2P but i spend a little treat of 45 euros (53 gold) because its xmas, its not that much money...

and people said the exact same things as your saying to me now when packs come out, people are far over reacting on this just as they did with packs, there will be new stuff coming soon