Is it still worth saving for a legendary pet...

Edyn - Dreamweaver

Just kinda wondering, with prices gone up this high its comming down to 12-14k each SoF..

When i started saving a few months ago prices were 5-6k. Ok, thought saving 60mil would get me there someday. Now Idk, prices are already up a long time now for SoF, and as it seems they keep raise and honnestly idk anymore if a herc is worth 130mil+.
I know its an amzing pet, wish i had it, but also need better armor/weapon/skills that are maybe more profittable then a 130mil pet.
Since TT mats dont sell for that much Im also wondering if you'll ever get that money back incase you still buy in that expensive.I loved the idea of a herc especcially cause i thought it would give me the chance to gain more cash alot faster then without.

Wish I was able to play this game sooner, must have been a piece of cake getting a herc then in comparisation with now. Happy for all you veno's though b:pleased

Can I get your opinion plz wether or not its still worth it? And can the herced-veno's under you really earn that much more money with one?

Ty in advance b:thanks

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear

personally, i'm more concerned about what level range to get a herc at. i hear rumors of how hercs are supposedly not that useful anymore at the really high levels, that people past 90-something mostly do instances where you want high-level, high-APS DDs and even barbs can't keep the aggro, never mind a herc; and i've seen some folks claim hercs are at their most useful around the 7x-8x level range, getting less so later on.

except i don't think i'll have much chance to get one by those levels, myself. plus i have this vague thought of maybe restatting to HA around level 90 or so, which should change my playstyle pretty dramatically, and perhaps impact whether i need / want / can use a herc much, just at the point where i might be able to save up for one. (or even can afford one, if a HA veno's kit is as expensive as i hear claimed...)

Edyn - Dreamweaver

Tyvm for your reply.
Well i forgot to add that in my question but you reminded me off it. I also heared that at later lvl's you dont really need it anymore. Ofcourse is 'needing' never really necessary. Im just really worried that IF i decide to go with saving for enxt few months the playing will get bored and eventually not worth it.

Silest - Sanctuary

Firstly, SoF are going for 9k on sanct. I don't know what it is for your server, but on ours, it's near impossible to get one through traditional means at this point.


At high levels in a squad situation, herc has lost his title as "the tank", where even DDs without 5.0 can steal aggro. This does not mean herc is useless at high level. There are still many things you can do with him in the solo scene.

Edyn - Dreamweaver

Well I saw shops here on DreamWeaver selling SoF for 13k each, and the shops that say 'BUY SOF 10k' stays untouched by sellers I hear from a friend trying desperatly for a herc.
Serious big problem for us veno's b:surrender
Can understand that for solo-playing its alot easier, but seems so lonely always having to go play alone. But well maybe its a luxury problem.. Wouldnt mind going on playing without one if I wouldnt see them like everywhere I go ingame b:chuckle

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

It's a rather difficult comparison right now because PWI has allowed their gold to skyrocket.

It would likely be cheaper not to outright buy SOF/PF but go get battlepacks instead. My suggestion is: a) wait for gold prices to go down, likely following the holidays and these sales, especially black friday, where the prices are gonna skyrocket even more, and b) wait for a battlepack sale. Your other option, which is not dependent of the price of SOF/PF, is use real cash.

Hercs are just as useful endgame as they are earlier on -- though people would rely more on your herc until the 70s and almost not at all 90+, but that's with the presumption that you have a better tank/DDer. Mainly what people think of when they say hercs are obsolete endgame is concerning Nirvana or FF. However, hercs are actually very much the same bonus, or for the veno, necessity, in TT, and especially if you wanna solo certain bosses in chronoworld maps and not wait for help, or be overly dependent upon others for things you could do yourself with a herc. Taoya, for one example, a vital chrono quest boss in scarred, I could not solo with my BM, and not with my cleric or wizard or archer either, nor have I seen a non-herc veno solo him, but I could with my veno (HA/AA), cuz she had a herc.

Desdi - Sanctuary

I agree with Janus. Don't lose hope and wait for the gold prices to go down as well as hope for a Battle Pet pack sale. With the current gold price it's just impossible to buy a Hercules using in-game coins only. when the Legendary Pets were introduced and gold was 100k it costed 20mil (though that time it was harder to gather that amount of coin). I bought mine this year though because I wasn't planning to buy one at the beginning. Now, the current price is insane.

The Hercules itself is really useful in many ways. Even in FCC and Nirvana and other high level instances. It won't be tanking but some pets simply cannot survive certain AoEs or simple elite mobs which a Hercules can. You will be able to solo a lot of TT bosses in Squad Mode, Chrono Map bosses, bosses around the map and a lot of FBs to help your friends. There are a lot of uses for it, it only loses its role as "the tank" in squads at high levels.

On a side note, do not sacrifice everything for the Hercules. You need skills and decent equipment to survive AoEs and hits. The Hercules will not be there any time. I've seen a lot of Venomancers die in squads just because they put all of their money on the Hercules and neglected their equipment (and most likely their skills). Being lvl8x and using 2-star equipment with mediocre adds...

Aniella - Harshlands

My sis(lvl 100) have herc, she have big prob get squad , cuz its 2 much venos on this server xD. U can make more by lvling up a clerc - cuz clercs get fc/tt/nirvana faster and be able 2 get good gear - also barb.
But iit can be expseive, and it take time 2 even get 2 that lvl u earn alot

Well im fine w normal tt gear and , well u don't realy need Op stuff 2 be good. <.< and u can make money w/o herc 2, cuz tt have bad times now, I get even more by farm mats LOL

Sylredrae - Sanctuary

I have a veno as a secondary char and a cleric as a main... I get most of my money from my cleric simply because he gets into squads easier. He never has problems finding a cleric for most instances because he IS a cleric. b:chuckle

I'm on the fence whether getting a herc or a nix is worth it. I've always wanted a herc for more autonomy as a veno, but a friend recommended that I get a nix because it grinds faster than a herc, and because soloing TT just doesn't earn as much as it used to. So much time and patience for mats that ultimately may not be worth so much. Now's it's mainly the 5aps sins and BMs soloing TT apparently. Plus, SoF prices are so high that it's not worth buying it until the prices drop or with real money. Best tb wait before buying or use the money to lvl your skills and upgrade your gear.

Also, pet is only as good as its veno. Don't go for a herc and sacrifice yourself as a veno. Skill > gear and pet. Besides, even if my veno doesn't have a herc, she can still grind pretty fast, sometimes to the point where I have to wait for mobs to respawn. b:chuckle

MANray_ - Sanctuary

I think whether to get a herc or not depends on how you play and what you want to do with your char. If you enjoy being semi-autonomous, will be soloing much of the game's content or simply want the ability to help out your friends/guildies in many situations in which a Barb or Cleric won't be available then yes, getting a herc is certainly worth it regardless of gold prices.

If you don't mind missing a chance at WC parties and will be focusing more on playing with full squads or PvP then it really is a legitimate choice not to get one.

A herc is on a league of its own when it comes to tanking and AoE grinding and this should be the consideration you should make when deciding on whether to get one. The cost is simply a matter of resource management, and since herc is relatively cheap when compared to competitive endgame gear, any player likely to stick with a char for the long term should base his decission on playing style rather than cost. Yeah, it may well be a matter of 6-8 months to get one but it isn't so bad if you're planning to stick with your char for longer than a year.

Heavenberry - Dreamweaver

Firstly, I'm fine buying SoFs for 8k, and I'm on DW (._.) I bought 2 000 SoFs in the last 2 weeks. So dunno about the 13k shops. Second, a veno's always welcome, most people just overreact to the aps classes and want 1 cleric and 5 BM with 5 interval squads...or 1 sin with 5aps and 5 bm with 5aps squads. I do get to find nirvana, TT 3-x and BH 100+ runs quite easy though. My point being, if you let everybody think they should reroll as 5aps BMs/sins to "win the game" it's their problem.

Edyn - Dreamweaver

It was 8k weeks ago thats true but last week or last 2 week i shouted buying SoF and cheapest offer i got was 10k, even had some asking 15k a piece. Ofcourse didnt buy that lol. Had a shop open with buying them at 10k each and i only bought 15 SoF over 5 nights online. Maybe im just unlucky also lol. Near Banker there is a shop selling 13k each at evening my time.
Stopped buying them now and hoping it wil drop again like you guys say.
Im halfway with good gear and have decent TT90 weapon but beside that i waited on everything else. Good idea for maybe upgrading that first.
Did max out both aoe's but solo aoeing isnt easy, can handle few mobs with glacial tanking before I attack but I actually can kill them faster just 1 by 1.

Lets hope for all the economy will grow to a better future again.
Ty for all your replies b:cute

Aniella - Harshlands

well now are tt in bad times, and u don't realy need Op pet for grinding, so yeah "NOW" its realy waste XD hope it get better later in the future of this game :O

Edyn - Dreamweaver

Wouldnt it be awesome if they made SoF and PF a drop from mobs? Wouldnt be possible gathering 9999 though but now the prices of SoF are only depended by the goldprice atm. And there are way to many veno's around who want one. And since you can only get them from battle packs.
Maybe if they would add it as a rare drop like some DQ's or maybe like the droprate of Fungus/Hay/Fruit the ppl who gets them can sell them and the price wont go over 10k each.

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear

Edyn - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Wouldnt it be awesome if they made SoF and PF a drop from mobs? Wouldnt be possible gathering 9999 though but now the prices of SoF are only depended by the goldprice atm. And there are way to many veno's around who want one. And since you can only get them from battle packs.
Maybe if they would add it as a rare drop like some DQ's or maybe like the droprate of Fungus/Hay/Fruit the ppl who gets them can sell them and the price wont go over 10k each.

That would never happen ,yes PW is F2P but it still needs money , leg pets are a source of income for them. Also imagine every single veno with leg pet . Then they wouldnt be So special anymore , gameplay would change and the purpose of this game (have fun) would fall behind when ur the same as every1. boring ............ b:surrender

it would be nice if u could craft SoF and PF , like rank 9 ( not reputation requirement b:shocked ) just the mats , but harder . That SoF or PF could be untradeable , and u would need 9999 of them plus other mats to get ticket . Of course some1 would say that buying SoF or PF through catshop is less time consuming than the way i suggested above . However it's an alternative , it could be good or bad , player decides

tweakz

If all you're going to do is the same stuff with your legendary that you do with a common pet: don't get it. You don't really need something as valuable as 5aps that scales with you, and enables you to eventually pay for it in 1 week of double drops yet is cheaper than 5aps.

Wiz with all class pet is cheaper.

Tailla_Xx - Raging Tide

I bought my herc by farming substances wich was very hard. Now i have my herc and don't regret my choice. I can solo TT and earn a lot of money. This way I bought myself a nix. That's how i became a nix/herc/veno. But at the moment prices are very high. I should wait now and focus on leveling. When prices drop, you can start buying SoF or PF again. b:victory

Anthemyra - Archosaur

Edyn - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It was 8k weeks ago thats true but last week or last 2 week i shouted buying SoF and cheapest offer i got was 10k, even had some asking 15k a piece. Ofcourse didnt buy that lol. Had a shop open with buying them at 10k each and i only bought 15 SoF over 5 nights online. Maybe im just unlucky also lol. Near Banker there is a shop selling 13k each at evening my time.
Stopped buying them now and hoping it wil drop again like you guys say.
Im halfway with good gear and have decent TT90 weapon but beside that i waited on everything else. Good idea for maybe upgrading that first.
Did max out both aoe's but solo aoeing isnt easy, can handle few mobs with glacial tanking before I attack but I actually can kill them faster just 1 by 1.

Lets hope for all the economy will grow to a better future again.
Ty for all your replies b:cute

I've got my herc recently, i really wanted it so it cost me +/- 100 mill, 90% of the SOF i needed i got it form the bettle packs because it was cheaper then buying in game - even that the price of gold in that period was 450-550k each -.-" - after the calculations i made:

-useing gold to get SOF got me to a cost of 9k-11k each depending on how lucky i was
-buying SOF from other players cost me 7.5k each (VERY VERY VERY RARE) - 12.5k each ..that is when i decided to use gold -.-"

1 more thing.. i did not use rl money to buy the SOF, i've grinded on my 90 cleric and i've sold some items that i had on her (got the herc in 10 days :P) - I WAS REALLY REALLY REALLY BORED OF PLAYING THE CLERIC b:chuckle

Segreta - Sanctuary

I won't bother anymore getting an Herc after the TT nerf,nor a Nix(Unless you're in a PvP server).

At lv.90+ Herc is a mere accessory,don't even consider 100+ with all those crazy DDs Herc won't tank a thing(Not to mention that he can't even tank most endgame stuff).

If you want to farm money as a Veno go with"Solo",mode TTs with a normal pet,you can get quite some money that way too.

tweakz

TT wasn't a great money maker for herc venos for a while now, nor is a Nix all that great for PvP. They're still totally worth having.

Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear

I love my nix. Great for grinding
As for the herc... I've never been into soloing. I really only bring it out in instances now, and I very rarely have to tank anything with it these days. It's been great to have for a few quests, but I don't think I would have paid 80+ mil for it. Worth it, for me, at 20? Totally. Anything higher? Nope.

Aniella - Harshlands

<.< i love grind spiderzh lvl 96 , make f***K alot coins w its 2x drop

XxJeniferxx - Lost City

I say nix is really worth getting no matter what now adays. On a pvp server its obvious, but even on pve servers I'd reckon their great. Lately I've been hyper grinding on the lvl 96 spiders and i make 25-30% exp per hour. With out a nix tearing through them I would probably b down to like 15-20% but i only do it with nix so i can't be certain. Also for ppl who may say its useless to use hypers for anything other than frost, I've made a profit of 80-150k every time I do one of these hour runs. As for herc, i don't plan on getting one. I'd rather use my money to lvl a -int bm.

Aniella - Harshlands

Well its a bit waste let hyper be on in hrs, in fc u hyper in few sec then pasue. so 5 hypers = 1hr can u have for 6-7 fc runs 0 2 - 3 lvls xD

by hyper in fc u save more then u use, thats why ppl only use em in fc XD

well its 1 class that can make alot coins on those spidersh, clercs - they lol aoe grinding xD lol :<


lol any1 who wnats can grind those spiderzh, even what kind of pet they have LOL

Mauntille - Heavens Tear

Both are worth it at high levels. TT isn't the only place to make money with a herc, and it certainly isn't the best. I find it easier to grind with my herc than my nix because it doesn't get stuck. It make the herc slightly longer to kill a mob than a nix, but that time is easily made up by the fact that it actually does get to the mob.

As for hercs loosing their value in higher level squaded instances, it's not tha they loose their value, their role simply changes. They go from tank to a DD that can survive aoes. Most pets are 1-shots in end game instances. You can find specific circumstances where a herc isn't the best pet, but these circumstances don't mean that it doesn't shine overall.

tweakz

Mauntille - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Both are worth it at high levels. TT isn't the only place to make money with a herc, and it certainly isn't the best. I find it easier to grind with my herc than my nix because it doesn't get stuck. It make the herc slightly longer to kill a mob than a nix, but that time is easily made up by the fact that it actually does get to the mob.

As for hercs loosing their value in higher level squaded instances, it's not tha they loose their value, their role simply changes. They go from tank to a DD that can survive aoes. Most pets are 1-shots in end game instances. You can find specific circumstances where a herc isn't the best pet, but these circumstances don't mean that it doesn't shine overall.

-Well said! Grinding really depends on what and how you're grinding.

MANray_ - Sanctuary

b:lipcurl Not to rain on anyone's parade but as usual i'll have to ask for specifics...

Mauntille - Heavens Tear

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:lipcurl Not to rain on anyone's parade but as usual i'll have to ask for specifics...

As a personal policy, I don't give away my best grind spots or money making strategies in plublic places. If it didn't help out the competition, I would, but anyways...

A couple of decent things I've done to make money:
- Solo'd eden multiple times when I was level 89. I farmed enough apoc. pages to make all the 79 skills for my alts and my husband's, and had some to spare. Book drops from bosses were able to sell for decent prices as well as save me from buying books myself.
- Card bosses
- World bosses (been a long time since I've done one of these, but 2.5mil+ for reading a book and glancing up on occasion is fair profit, imo)
- AOE grinding (OHT and other locations)
- Letting the herc fight mobs while you dig (a couple other pets can do this, but for longer digs, it's harder for the pet to survive; couple examples: herbs in heaven/hell, bean chests in rb)

These are just a few cases; the list isn't by any means exhaustive nor a truncated "top methods".

As for survivability, I consider AOE bosses in Nirvana, 3-X TT, Warsong, some FF, etc.

MANray_ - Sanctuary

Mauntille - Heavens Tear wrote: »

As a personal policy, I don't give away my best grind spots or money making strategies in plublic places. If it didn't help out the competition, I would, but anyways...

I wouldn't ask you to give up anything that could provide you with an edge. I actually don't have a problem with this part. I do acknowledge you're right on this and apreciate your answer since i'm sure this could help a herc'ed veno and encorage him/her to further research...

As for survivability, I consider AOE bosses in Nirvana, 3-X TT, Warsong, some FF, etc.

Now this is what i was talking about... You'll have to excuse my skepticism but after repeatedly reading claims about how only hercs were in any manner useful for Frost, i was a bit outraged to actually make a couple of runs myself and discover my 7x cute rares were certainly adequate...

Discussing specific bosses means that we can narrow things down to specific pets and strategies. Vague claims on the other hand only contribute to create a hostile environment for some venos...

I realize we've all tired of the herc debate, and i personally would love nothing more than to be done with it, but the thing is this is likely to continue for as long as either side insists on treating subjective opinion as established fact.

Silest - Sanctuary

There's so many unused grind spots in this game it's not even funny lol.

tweakz

Silest - Sanctuary wrote: »

There's so many unused grind spots in this game it's not even funny lol.

The best ones are getting crowded. Only one I can see that not happening to is the fish in Unicorn Forest.