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  • DeadSound - Lost City
    DeadSound - Lost City Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Furries - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    i would add

    copper dragon order 200 dp
    silver dragon order 1000 dp
    gold dragon order 2000 dp

    Or you can just do dragon quest for that. I really doubt the devs would take replace the main reason for DQ items.
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Furries - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    i would add

    copper dragon order 200 dp
    silver dragon order 1000 dp
    gold dragon order 2000 dp

    That's way too cheap.

    More like:
    Copper 2,500
    Silver 7,500
    Gold 20,000

    or something.
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  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That's way too cheap.

    More like:
    Copper 2,500
    Silver 7,500
    Gold 20,000

    or something.

    No, i like feeling special that i have interval bracers and 99% of the population doesn't. I would be mad.

    Also, I'm wondering why you were buying all those soups for a much higher price.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »
    No, i like feeling special that i have interval bracers and 99% of the population doesn't. I would be mad.

    Also, I'm wondering why you were buying all those soups for a much higher price.

    Rep badges for my sin. Buying at the price I was, the price per badge was 32,800 coins, less than half of what it'd otherwise cost.

    And I, too, have those bracers.
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  • Furries - Dreamweaver
    Furries - Dreamweaver Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    DeadSound - Lost City wrote: »
    Or you can just do dragon quest for that. I really doubt the devs would take replace the main reason for DQ items.

    except for that fact that every freaking person is selling thier dq items to merchants now so i cant make the orders. silver dragon orders are WORTH 200k. and becuase of the dragon points the price of them in ah now has skyrocketed to 700+k.

    by adding this system its night impossible to find dq sellers anymore. and when u do they want about 3x more then thier worth becuase not only are the not getting the coin from merchants but their not getting dragon points as well.

    the point is the new dragon point system is preventing me from doing the Dragon quests anymore.
    Killing level 80's with a lvl 60 is a lot more fun than killing level 90's with a level 100.
  • Eoria - Harshlands
    Eoria - Harshlands Posts: 6,118 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Furries - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    the point is the new dragon point system is preventing me from doing the Dragon quests anymore.

    DQ quests aren't worth it. Nothing you can get from the orders are worth it.

    No. Not even that stupid wrist.
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  • Furries - Dreamweaver
    Furries - Dreamweaver Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »
    DQ quests aren't worth it. Nothing you can get from the orders are worth it.

    No. Not even that stupid wrist.

    Then WHY do u have a problem with adding orders to the list?
    Killing level 80's with a lvl 60 is a lot more fun than killing level 90's with a level 100.
  • Eoria - Harshlands
    Eoria - Harshlands Posts: 6,118 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Furries - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Then WHY do u have a problem with adding orders to the list?

    Realize if they add them, they would have to make the orders and all the molds and stuff you can make with them soulbound. If they didn't...people would have a new way to **** the economy over.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Furries - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    by adding this system its night impossible to find dq sellers anymore. and when u do they want about 3x more then thier worth becuase not only are the not getting the coin from merchants but their not getting dragon points as well.

    I met some guy trying to sell Element Lights, which NPC at 3,160, for 10,000 minimum.
    the point is the new dragon point system is preventing me from doing the Dragon quests anymore.

    No it's not, you can still grind the DQs and do it as it was meant to be done originally.
    Furries - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Then WHY do u have a problem with adding orders to the list?

    Because then everyone and their mother would be walking around with Bracers of Blood Moon etc.
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  • SilverCleric - Lost City
    SilverCleric - Lost City Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »
    Realize if they add them, they would have to make the orders and all the molds and stuff you can make with them soulbound. If they didn't...people would have a new way to **** the economy over.

    If the economy isnt already ruined enough already.. because of the packs prices of gold is up to 600k.

    So, I think it wouldn't hurt to add the Dragon Orders for DQ points, but I think they shouldn't give out to many so they won't be abused or something so it won't harm the economy anymore that it is now.
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  • Eoria - Harshlands
    Eoria - Harshlands Posts: 6,118 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    SilverCleric - Lost City wrote: »
    If the economy isnt already ruined enough already.. because of the packs prices of gold is up to 600k.

    600k is not ruined.

    1.5mil+ is.

    Also, GMs want to affect economy as little as possible. Thus they would have to make the orders and stuff made from the DQ point orders soulbound.
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  • Furries - Dreamweaver
    Furries - Dreamweaver Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I met some guy trying to sell Element Lights, which NPC at 3,160, for 10,000 minimum.

    that exactly my point.... they cost way more then thier worth

    No it's not, you can still grind the DQs and do it as it was meant to be done originally.

    "yes i can problem is to do that i would need a char in my 70's to effectively gather the required DQ 71" unfortunately i don't HAVE a char in my 70's. and while i have been able to gather plenty of element diamonds during the archosaur event. i need the other ones to actually complete the dragon quest.

    Because then everyone and their mother would be walking around with Bracers of Blood Moon etc.


    my point is BEFORE the Dragon points system i was able to put together enough coin to buy all the silver dragon orders i needed to make my bracers. Now i only have 1/4 the amount of coin i need, becuase the price of the orders has quadrupled.

    And no not everyone would be walking around with them.
    true there would be MORE. and they would be cheaper. but honestly i don't have a problem with making good gear cheap.

    i do however agree that the the dragon orders be bound you your account.

    and honestly i would bind the bracers too if it wasn't for the lame fact that the char i need them on is a different account and i wouldn't be able to give them to him.

    so yeah i would rather not have them bound, but if that's what it takes to get them put in, then hell I'll accept that as a price.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Furries - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    And no not everyone would be walking around with them.
    true there would be MORE. and they would be cheaper. but honestly i don't have a problem with making good gear cheap.

    ... If they made them the prices you suggested, you'd need 5 DQ91s for a copper and 34 for a silver. With the DPs that I have right now, I could enough to make two molds for Bracers of Blood Moon and I could then sell them for 10,000,000 each. And there are people who saved their DQs up for weeks, so they have multiple times my amount of coins. And the only thing worth getting out of Orders is Bracers of Blood Moon anyway. What you suggested would be almost the same as putting Ten Million Big Notes in there for 30,000 points. And that'd be dumb as hell.

    Also, the price in DPs should reflect the amount of DQs you need for the quest, otherwise it'd make Dragon Quest itself obsolete.

    The problem with putting Dragon Orders in is that you can get a few items with Dragon Orders that are worth millions and there are people who have hundreds of thousands of DPs already. Not to mention that Dragon Orders would lead to Silver Manes and Violet Lightnings, which I'd imagine are decently popular Boutique items.

    With the prices you suggested, anyone can grind 2 hours a day for a week and have Bracers of Blood Moon. And I think that's ridiculous.
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  • NatureLover - Harshlands
    NatureLover - Harshlands Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    frankieraye wrote: »
    Hey guys, it's up!


    http://pwi.perfectworld.com/dqrewards


    Keep in mind that, while the "Items Vendored" tab will show your history instantly, it will take up to 1 hour for you to actually be able to use your points.Also, know that we'll be adding more reward items over time :)

    Official News Post

    Is the system automatic or is it manual whereby the GM will verify and transfer the item to your account. If it is automatic, why does it takes one hour? Or.. whats the purpose of having this one hour delay.
  • Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear
    Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,161 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    NatureLover - Harshlands wrote: »
    Is the system automatic or is it manual whereby the GM will verify and transfer the item to your account. If it is automatic, why does it takes one hour? Or.. whats the purpose of having this one hour delay.

    I doubt it's manual, as GMs are not available 24/7. It doesn't always take an hour... I've had it come up within 10 minutes, before. If I had to guess, I'd say it's so the system isn't overloaded by trying to process hundreds of requests immediately as they come in. Also note that the one hour wait refers to how long it takes for your dq points to be added to your account after you sell the items, and not how long it takes to receive an item redeemed with them ("GM will verify and transfer the item to your account" made me wonder which you were referring to.)
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  • sleepcat
    sleepcat Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Not to mention that Dragon Orders would lead to Silver Manes and Violet Lightnings, which I'd imagine are decently popular Boutique items.

    There's something about this comment that bothers me. I'm not quite sure what it is.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=380692

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=379941
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  • Furries - Dreamweaver
    Furries - Dreamweaver Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    So what u people are saying.. is that... becuase you obscenely rich and care only about making money and already have the best gear available; that no one else is allowed to get something they need unless they go though more pain than you did to get it?

    What in gods name is wrong with you people?

    Cheap = GOOD

    Expensive = BAD

    Stop being selfish little ***holes

    unless you actually make your profit selling these items Dragon order anyways how the bloody hell does this even make a difference. And if you are those nutjobs making the price of silver dragon orders 800k a piece then you honestly deserve to get screwed over. You have been doing it to everyone else.


    what a great insight into the PWI community...
    Killing level 80's with a lvl 60 is a lot more fun than killing level 90's with a level 100.
  • Eoria - Harshlands
    Eoria - Harshlands Posts: 6,118 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Furries - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    what a great insight into life

    Fixed.
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  • Furries - Dreamweaver
    Furries - Dreamweaver Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Furries - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    what a great insight into the PWI community...

    Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »
    what a great insight into life
    Fixed.

    AHH ok.
    I should have figured the only people who complaining are the people who have enough real life money lying around to spend it all on cash shop.

    So you worried that becuase u spent real $ on a game that no one should be allowed to get that item without also having to spend thier $.

    you sicken me.


    now where is than damn puke smily....
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    sleepcat wrote: »
    There's something about this comment that bothers me. I'm not quite sure what it is.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=380692

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=379941

    I'm well aware of them being previously DQ-only and that it upset a low of people when they were put in the Boutique. Well, those horses are cool, so I'd expect them to be at least decently popular.
    Furries - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    So what u people are saying.. is that... becuase you obscenely rich and care only about making money and already have the best gear available; that no one else is allowed to get something they need unless they go though more pain than you did to get it?

    What in gods name is wrong with you people?

    Cheap = GOOD

    Expensive = BAD

    Stop being selfish little ***holes

    unless you actually make your profit selling these items Dragon order anyways how the bloody hell does this even make a difference. And if you are those nutjobs making the price of silver dragon orders 800k a piece then you honestly deserve to get screwed over. You have been doing it to everyone else.

    Um... I bought my Silver Orders at 200-250k each.

    And I'm not obscenely rich, right now I got about 15,000,000 coins in cash. In fact, that's not even rich, that's pretty poor.
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  • Furries - Dreamweaver
    Furries - Dreamweaver Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I'm well aware of them being previously DQ-only and that it upset a low of people when they were put in the Boutique. Well, those horses are cool, so I'd expect them to be at least decently popular.



    Um... I bought my Silver Orders at 200-250k each.

    And I'm not obscenely rich, right now I got about 15,000,000 coins in cash. In fact, that's not even rich, that's pretty poor.

    yeah i know i bout the 10 silver draon oders for my lotus malevolence for that much too

    that price is fine. what im pissed about is now people want 800k and 10k per dq 71 for them and im not ganna pay that much.
    Killing level 80's with a lvl 60 is a lot more fun than killing level 90's with a level 100.
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Furries - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    yeah i know i bout the 10 silver draon oders for my lotus malevolence for that much too

    that price is fine. what im pissed about is now people want 800k and 10k per dq 71 for them and im not ganna pay that much.

    Well of course, people will want this and that. It's not gonna last for long, since that'll come to about 20,000,00 for Bracers of Blood Moon.

    Putting them there with the Dragon Points, you'd run into a problem with the amount of DQs: If you want to match the old market price, it'll be too low and it will make Dragon Quest obsolete, since the points required would be at about 2,500 per Silver Order.

    If you match the amount of DQs you'd need for a Dragon Quest, then you'll completely kill off Dragon Quest, because you could get the DQ rewards and the coins from NPCing the DQs.

    So either way, you'll kill off Dragon Quest.
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  • Elviron - Dreamweaver
    Elviron - Dreamweaver Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Adding orders to the DQ points system would basically make Dragon quest obsolete.

    If the intention is to make the entire concept of dragon questing obsolete, add the molds (not orders), mounts, etc to the DQ points list or include the possibility of having them being made using mysterious chips.

    Something like:-

    Bracers of Blood moon = 300 mysterious chips (30k pts) + 3 mil coins.
    Horses = 25000 or 50000 DQ pts.
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Elviron - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Adding orders to the DQ points system would basically make Dragon quest obsolete.

    That's kinda the point I've been making. You either end up making the orders too expensive, which would make it useless, or you end up making them good price, which kills off Dragon Quest.
    Something like:-

    Bracers of Blood moon = 300 mysterious chips (30k pts) + 3 mil coins.
    Horses = 25000 or 50000 DQ pts.

    That's not going to happen. The Bracers cost 25 Silver Orders and 25 Copper Orders, putting them much, much above 30,000 DPs. And the horses are in Boutique for 20 Gold each, so you're not going to see them in there at all.

    The DQ items were meant as a luxury and I think they should stay as such. Right now, Bracers of Blood Moon is the best LA bracer pre-99 and it's also completely not-cash shoppable, which is great. If you made the bracers highly available at 60, it'd just lead into a massive forum QQ about sins stealing aggro and causing squad wipes in BH51 and above.

    DQ71 requires a total of 80 DQ71 items and has a 90% chance for a Silver Order. If you went with the same number, that'd mean 1,600 points per Silver Order. Oh, and with the same logic, you'd end up with 10 DPs per Copper Order. That'd put the Bracers of Blood Moon mold at 40,250 DPs. That, in turn, would amount to exactly 1,610 DQ81s, which in turn would be NPCable for 4,314,800 coins.
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  • Elviron - Dreamweaver
    Elviron - Dreamweaver Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Ok forget the mounts, if you wanted to acquire the bracers thru points, they could be made through mysterious chips., which would be like say the equivalent of a TT99 gold mat (one of the more expensive ones)? Thats what I was suggesting. I didnt give an actual thing but something along the lines of chips + coins to make the mold. It could very well be 420 chips + 10 mils in coin to make the mold, which would be close to what you would pay in terms of silver orders and copper ones.
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Elviron - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Ok forget the mounts, if you wanted to acquire the bracers thru points, they could be made through mysterious chips., which would be like say the equivalent of a TT99 gold mat (one of the more expensive ones)? Thats what I was suggesting. I didnt give an actual thing but something along the lines of chips + coins to make the mold. It could very well be 420 chips + 10 mils in coin to make the mold, which would be close to what you would pay in terms of silver orders and copper ones.

    The thing is, if you did that, it would be reason for people to demand that they do the same with all DQ rewards. And that's just bad.
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  • Elviron - Dreamweaver
    Elviron - Dreamweaver Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    @Obly :)
    Well my point was that, something along those lines (depending on how many of what orders would be required) could be drawn up for all the DQ rewards.

    This of course provided that the intention is to make obsolete the whole Dragon Quest system and do away with orders altogether.

    The dragon quest was never popular in the past and even now its only people who pretty damn well want those bracers that even bother doing it. For most, its a long grind oriented thing with minimal returns. For most, its already dead and obsolete.
  • Furries - Dreamweaver
    Furries - Dreamweaver Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    i don't see how adding the Dragon orders into the system would hurt the system.

    The real change that would occur the that fact that the bracers will become more available. and there price would be lowered. the price will fluctuate a lot for the first few weeks will then settle at its new lower amount.

    the impact of the bracers becoming more available wouldn't do much, yes a lot more people would be wearing them; but how is that bad?
    I heard some of you talking about aggro stealing. yes it would increase DD but unless the barb on your squad fails he wont lose aggro.

    OK i admit i dont know how many barbs fail at holding aggro. Being a barb myself i dont meet many other ones in squads. I just know form experience I haven't had a problem holding aggro form ANY lvl who isn't sage or demon sparking. So maybe i wrongly assume other barbs are as competent as i am, but any decent barb wont have a problem holding aggro till he is faced with celestial sparks.
    Killing level 80's with a lvl 60 is a lot more fun than killing level 90's with a level 100.
  • Elviron - Dreamweaver
    Elviron - Dreamweaver Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    @Furries
    Ever thought that the DD was good at controlling their damage and hence you not losing aggro? b:laugh

    At your level I have stolen from very competant barbs who were 90+, even without sparking. And yet even at 95 I have ensured barbs you level and lower have the aggro <.<. Doesnt mean they are awesome/fail at holding aggro.

    And while we're at it, I would like all TT99 gold mats to be made available for an equivalent of 3 mils each because it would be too much work for me to buy it from someone or farm it myself.

    Theres a reason why those bracers are expensive <.<. It is so that people who want them, will have to work for them.
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Elviron - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Theres a reason why those bracers are expensive <.<. It is so that people who want them, will have to work for them.

    So true. I got my Bracers of Blood Moon on my Archer when he was 90.

    But damn it was good to have them on my sin when he got 60.

    I could've bought a pair on this sin if I had stuck to grinding Element Fragments in the 30s, since that brought about 500k a day.
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