5aps tt nirvana farming solution

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Isn't that the whole point of threads? Most to offer suggestions or whatever.

I have absolutely no problem with people siding with 5aps IF they can use reasonable logic and arguments. Kupuntu is a good example even though he is somewhere in-between, I like his posts. I know I troll and rage but I rarely do so without someone starting a flame fest first, it is just my reaction.

For example people saying that their investments ought to give them so much returns, what arguments do they have? As far as I can see a lot of other paths and weapons and classes do not get that spoiled situation. So what is the reasoning behind you thinking that it is supposed to be worth it like that?

Since 90% of the people who say 5aps is fine is because they use that excuse and reasoning, the cost of the gear.

I_sage_i - Harshlands

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Isn't that the whole point of threads? Most to offer suggestions or whatever.

really? wow really?

Eoria - Harshlands

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Isn't that the whole point of threads? Most to offer suggestions or whatever.

So Borsuc? What do you think of my suggestion of more phys immune bosses? Would make insane chan time mage classes more desirable, no?

KingThis - Heavens Tear

LOL...
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=01e8ad06fef9a4d7
Thats my build pretty much...
now, why shouldn't i be able to solo TT 3-3 uncharmed @ it's current state? b:laugh b:chuckle

To all the QQers, gtfo of the forums and go work on your gear b:bye

Borsuc - Raging Tide

While that would make magic classes better in certain PvE instances... and personally if I only was thinking for my char, it would be a good suggestion... the fact of the matter is still that -int is broken the way it works. One of the most obvious reasons is BMs with anything other than fists (used to be a balanced game until people caught up to -int), and for the barbs who have to restat for claws.

Fists at normal aps still outdamage swords/axes a fair bit so they are still a decent choice, even if not for skills. If both had the same percentage increase in attack speed, it would make sure both would remain at the same ratio (for DPS), making it balanced.

To be fair, I just hate it how it turned into "Fist World International" to put it comically... it's not just about the magic classes but all the other options that are now left in the dark and make people switch to fists... it leaves a bad taste in my mouth to even consider this "balanced". b:sad

Okeano - Harshlands

All I see in this thread is 7 pages of "QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ". Yes, that's all there is to it. You think this is a suggestion thread? You actually think your "suggestions" actually matter or will affect the game in any form of way? All you are doing is QQing because nothing in this thread matters and will not affect the game.

When nothing you say in this thread matters in terms of game development, all there remain is QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ.

I_sage_i - Harshlands

okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

all I See In This Thread Is 7 Pages Of "qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq". Yes, That's All There Is To It. You Think This Is A Suggestion Thread? You Actually Think Your "suggestions" Actually Matter Or Will Affect The Game In Any Form Of Way? All You Are Doing Is Qqing Because Nothing In This Thread Matters And Will Not Affect The Game.

When Nothing You Say In This Thread Matters In Terms Of Game Development, All There Remain Is Qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq.

+9000

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

To be fair, I just hate it how it turned into "Fist World International" to put it comically... it's not just about the magic classes but all the other options that are now left in the dark and make people switch to fists... it leaves a bad taste in my mouth to even consider this "balanced". b:sad

BMs have already gone through that. Of course now barbs and archers are going fists but BMs used axes and axes were thought to be the best and usually the only weapon for BMs. Now fists are the number one weapon, and if it was only for BMs and maybe more balanced, I would see it as only a good thing. Less arrogant people now.

It is sad that magic classes are 'useless', but to be honest, that's what they have always been.

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

I have absolutely no problem with people siding with 5aps IF they can use reasonable logic and arguments. Kupuntu is a good example even though he is somewhere in-between, I like his posts. I know I troll and rage but I rarely do so without someone starting a flame fest first, it is just my reaction.

I take that as a compliment but... you can't really go "GTFO NABS I HATE U FOR BASHING FISTS I SO GONNA GET MAH 5 APS AND ROLL YOU" if you can't afford to do it. So that's why I'm not defending 5 aps so much compared to other BMs.

Regenbogen - Lost City

I_sage_i - Harshlands wrote: »

+ over 9000

fixed

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

What are you talking about? Of course it's going to own me if he invests more. You don't seem to get it. Invest 6 bil in warsoul and you'll still do less DPS than a 5aps.

Yeah, the only important thing about PWI is DPS. That's all that matters. I guess at least to you. That's why you brilliantly rolled a mage?

lol.

Mrvate - Heavens Tear

I'm not saying that -int isn't broken, because it is. But if people want to fix it they need to change the -int itself not changing bosses or instances.

Really mages(psys now too) have always been seen as useless outside of pk and rb, 5 aps just made the gap more noticeable.

But the kindof funny thing I see on this, is I know a good amount of people who take wizards and barbs to nirvana and such. But the problem with most wizards is they have crappy gear. the amount of lvl 100's running around with refines no higher then +3 is just sad, and most of them are arcane users.

volst

Only way: Aoe soulburn.

Kairu_ - Sanctuary

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

Yeah, the only important thing about PWI is DPS. That's all that matters. I guess at least to you. That's why you brilliantly rolled a mage?

lol.

dark not everybody goes just for dps or pve. some people like mages for the class not for the insanely high dps as a 5aps has. or do you not even think about that before you tell everybody to roll 5aps. maby they like their pvp but because their not 5aps your telling them to roll 5aps just to be useful. how about they play the class they like. the fact that everybody just says reroll 5aps doesn't that strike you at how broken they are. normally wizzies could at least find a decent squad to do some gear farming but now since 5aps came, all it is is 5aps this 5aps that and if your not 5aps your trash. but yet a 5aps bm can go to pk and a wizzy can still 1-2 shot them ijs before they even get close ijs. even occult ice has a range incriment shorter then a mages. just remember they are playing the class that they like and your making them completely useless because their nto playing the most broken PVE class/build.

edit: and a +12 warsoul is less dps then 5aps oh well. the point of what that person was posting was warsoul was meant to be the be all and end all of every classes weapon. and it costs the price of a luxury car. if that doesn't say how broken 5aps is then idk what will. his post wasn't to say warsoul out DD's 5aps it was an example that 5aps surpasses something like that proves it's broken. try to read past the everybody QQiing about 5aps just roll 5aps thing, and broaden your horizon. at least that way you wont have tunnel vision and be so simple minded. i don't doubt that 5aps beats everything else in DD but it doesn't mean it's the be all end all of every persons existance

2nd edit: to fix how -int works cap it at 2.86 or 3.33.ya the'll QQ but eventually the'll get over it. if it's become that unbalanced it should be balanced alittle mroe. 3.33 or 2.86 is a decent speed to balance it. 3.33 they can still keep agro from archers lol, and i mean pure dex archers. 5aps will get pissed and for a couple weeks pwi may get less $ but in the long run it'll help their case significantly.

Elronia - Heavens Tear

Ill prolly never get TT99 gear ever. +4 refines on most of her gear. +5 weapon. As for it just been sad. Scuse me but we not all sat in TW guild farming high TW pay for billions untill it was changed. An wizzie never gonner be 5 ap/s user is it? Yea there is a huge gap. But that huge gap was in part caused by multi millon coin per week TW pay. For whom? about 6-800 people on HT rest of us have to really work for all an any gear.b:bye

KingThis - Heavens Tear

A 4.0 warsoul dagger sin, can easily out DD a 5.0 nirvana dagger sin b:victory

Kairu_ - Sanctuary

KingThis - Heavens Tear wrote: »

A 4.0 warsoul dagger sin, can easily out DD a 5.0 nirvana dagger sin b:victory

were talking warsoul for non -int. people and their tunnel vision with 5aps. it's sad

Asheera - Raging Tide

KingThis - Heavens Tear wrote: »

A 4.0 warsoul dagger sin, can easily out DD a 5.0 nirvana dagger sin b:victory

A 5.0 dagger sin out DDs a warsoul bow archer by far.

Or even better...

a 5.0 fist archer out DDs himself compared to when using Warsoul Bow

KingThis - Heavens Tear

Kairu_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

were talking warsoul for non -int. people and their tunnel vision with 5aps. it's sad

LOL...

5.0 is a char that has been worked upon.

i know of a wizzy that has around 70 -chan,
A cleric with around 60 or so chan..
a veno with 56 chan..

or

a wizzy with all out dmg... DoT + refines +10 or better weapon... 1 shots.

magic doesn't miss.

the best part of pwi is that you can do W'E you want with your char.

Nuke, dps, aps, arcane archers with pdef shards.
LA barb with 5.0
5.0 wizzy with stone B, with LA/HA gear

gives you the freedom to do What ever you want.


and TBH i have a 5.0 veno with 50 attack lvls. (herc/nix + amp/purge + nova etc LOL = fun)

Kairu_ - Sanctuary

lol i agree you can do whatever you wish. but people like dark say 5.0 or nothing. it's that kinda blindsight that annoys me. so it seems maby I got a little out of hand proving him wrong lol.

Eoria - Harshlands

Kairu_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

lol i agree you can do whatever you wish. but people like dark say 5.0 or nothing. it's that kinda blindsight that annoys me. so it seems maby I got a little out of hand proving him wrong lol.

You can do whatever you want with your build.

It does not mean that people have to take you to anything.

Kairu_ - Sanctuary

even if you do the highest DD/survivability build for things like wizzy they still won't take you unless you know them ijs. it's the fact that blindsight 5aps does everything, make 5aps or quit pwi type thing that dark is prettymuch saying. other classes aren't as useful yes but then again their not as broken. give wizzy the dps a 5aps archer has (weakest fo the aps builds) with their range and spells the'd be even more broken. but saying only 5 aps can do this only 5aps can do that is really irritating.

KingThis - Heavens Tear

1 more thing...
In my honest opinion.
I do not judge players by gear, i judge them on how they play there char.

i'll bring my ingame experience into this.

My 5.0, +7 TT100 weapon BM buddy that i always bring to TT 3-3s when farmin DIES non stop.

He tells me he will improve just needs more coin. to build his char to survive.
(flawless hp shards +5 refined gear)

TBH all he needs to do is...

1. Use the ability to gain chi, 5.0 gain chi FAST b:shocked
use that 5.0 to use skills like ST [spam asap] (Sword stance = lowers enemy dmg by 50%)

2. use spark + Cloud Er to HF/ GS [Glacial spike]
more dmg the boss takes the more blood suck we gain, the faster the boss dies.

just simply play the skills the char was give, helps the squad.

APS isn't everything.


Another example.

if a cleric and wizzy are in squad.

cleric is healing Tank.
Boss aoes, Cleric dies.
i would wait to see that wizzy respond with A heal upon the tank...
I RARELY see that respond from a wizzy.

Question is what would YOU have done in the same OR different situation?

Play the game HF b:bye

Kairu_ - Sanctuary

KingThis - Heavens Tear wrote: »

1 more thing...
In my honest opinion.
I do not judge players by gear, i judge them on how they play there char.

i'll bring my ingame experience into this.

My 5.0, +7 TT100 weapon BM buddy that i always bring to TT 3-3s when farmin DIES non stop.

He tells me he will improve just needs more coin. to build his char to survive.
(flawless hp shards +5 refined gear)

TBH all he needs to do is...

1. Use the ability to gain chi, 5.0 gain chi FAST b:shocked
use that 5.0 to use skills like ST [spam asap] (Sword stance = lowers enemy dmg by 50%)

2. use spark + Cloud Er to HF/ GS [Glacial spike]


more dmg the boss takes the more blood suck we gain, the faster the boss dies.

just simply play the skills the char was give, helps the squad.

APS isn't everything.


Another example.

if a cleric and wizzy are in squad.

cleric is healing Tank.
Boss aoes, Cleric dies.
i would wait to see that wizzy respond with A heal upon the tank...
I RARELY see that respond from a wizzy.

Question is what would YOU have done in the same OR different situation?

Play the game HF b:bye

lol if i was whcih class. if i was cleric i woulda used a res scroll (got 83 cleric). if i was wizzy i would sutra and heal, if i was bm i'd genie up an alpha male and will of budhi > irionguard. if i was sin i woulda rib striked to lower the dmg on the tank while cleric got back up. and pray that the tank had some self heals to hold himself up for a few seconds. ocne cleric got up I'd bell her for further AoE seeing as it's mostly physical in TT bosses. veno i'd toss a spark to whoever wast tanking even with chi build to pull off a combo, for example barb invoke > sunder. psy i woulda put on defence vodoo to be on the safe side. archer i'd probably use wings of grace till cleric was up. they dont really have many squad helping skills in the form of support. if it was the cleric and realized that i was about to die from an AoE, I'd expel > purify myself (AD's duration isn't as long so less chance to resist the AoE). theirs plenty of things that can be done in that situation

ps: excuse the organization on my post, or well disorganization lol and probably typo's.

edit: take note I'm only going off the cleric dying scenario. the DD scenario when you got that much chi is just to easy lol. HF is the most optimal. extreme poison, tangling mire, but those leave your genie low on energy for survival skills if things get dicy. theirs always the fun one. dragons bane > demon saprk lol. nothing wrong with free 25% crit rate boost, only the insanely long cooldown. GS is nice but HF is best for a squads overall DD. when you got 2-3 5aps's 1 good timed HF in 6 secodns will do as much as you can in 15, add in demon sparking it and well you get the idea. veno could always amp/ironwood/myraid, barb can pierce/devour cleric can seal/purify (seal the boss then purify the seal off of her/himself). just as the previous scenario their are countless ways to do that task lol.

Anri_Rose - Archosaur

KingThis - Heavens Tear wrote: »

cleric is healing Tank
Boss aoes, Cleric dies.
i would wait to see that wizzy respond with A heal upon the tank...
I RARELY see that respond from a wizzy.

Question is what would YOU have done in the same OR different situation?

Play the game HF b:bye

*COUGH COUGH* Wait you RARELY see the mage switch to back up healer if the cleric dies
WTF are you rolling with tard mages or maybe im special, but my instinct if i see the cleric die is to move into Back Up healer mode, HELL if i see the cleric taking damage I hit Dew on them just so they dont have to stop healing the tank.
If you have a mage who is so busy DDing that they dont have the mindset to stop to help in any other way, well you have my permission to call them a moron mage.

Kairu_ - Sanctuary

Anri_Rose - Archosaur wrote: »

*COUGH COUGH* Wait you RARELY see the mage switch to back up healer if the cleric dies
WTF are you rolling with tard mages or maybe im special, but my instinct if i see the cleric die is to move into Back Up healer mode, HELL if i see the cleric taking damage I hit Dew on them just so they dont have to stop healing the tank.
If you have a mage who is so busy DDing that they dont have the mindset to stop to help in any other way, well you have my permission to call them a moron mage.

oh finally somebody i can fully agree with lol. anybody who is in full DD mode and can't pay attention to others is fail regardless of their class lol. sins in squads can tele stun mobs on the cleric and tacklign slash runners but it rarely happens lol, their to buisy going kill kill kill i attack faster then you nub . . . . . oh wait cleric died wtf nub cleric . . . . yet they were able to prevent it b:cry. bm's who run ahead but forget they can use tiger leap/leap back to move faster on boost cooldown to assist in places that need it. clerics who forget plume shell (yes I've seen this extremly common lately), veno's who in mage form take agro but tank the dmg in human and die rather then go to fox form for the extra pdef and survive itb:bye. mages who don't heal at all when they should like the scenario above, or distance shrink for distance towards the tank when they get agro not run away (yes mages tend to run away from the stunners and agro holders instead of to them, lol distance shrink is a great skill). well theirs countless examples of these kind of stupidity mistakes of a person not knowing their class, their surroundings, or so buisy DDing they can't even watch their squadmates hp. sheesh and people wonder why theirs so many horrible clerics running around lately ijs. (though with these situations going on the clerics should be improving . . . . . oh wait fcc/hyper their not in those positions often enough to learn much b:surrender

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Kairu_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

dark not everybody goes just for dps or pve. some people like mages for the class not for the insanely high dps as a 5aps has. or do you not even think about that before you tell everybody to roll 5aps.

/facepalm

I said nothing of the sort. I didn't tell him to roll a 5aps. He's obsessively focused on DPS. If he is so obsessed over how casters were never designed to compete with a dps class, he shouldn't have chosen one. Casters are DPH. Perhaps you should play the game a little longer instead of deciding to scold someone you've taken out of context.

2nd edit: to fix how -int works cap it at 2.86 or 3.33.ya the'll QQ but eventually the'll get over it. if it's become that unbalanced it should be balanced alittle mroe. 3.33 or 2.86 is a decent speed to balance it. 3.33 they can still keep agro from archers lol, and i mean pure dex archers. 5aps will get pissed and for a couple weeks pwi may get less $ but in the long run it'll help their case significantly.

Umm... it's not going to happen. Whine as much as you want. Fist/Claws were broken before the Tideborn patch. Yet, when they released Nirvana they came out with yet another interval item.

Nice pipedream you have there.

Kairu_ - Sanctuary

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

/facepalm

I said nothing of the sort. I didn't tell him to roll a 5aps. He's obsessively focused on DPS. If he is so obsessed over how casters were never designed to compete with a dps class, he shouldn't have chosen one. Casters are DPH. Perhaps you should play the game a little longer instead of deciding to scold someone you've taken out of context.



Umm... it's not going to happen. Whine as much as you want. Fist/Claws were broken before the Tideborn patch. Yet, when they released Nirvana they came out with yet another interval item.

Nice pipedream you have there.

actually if you read his post more carefully as you are accusing me of not doing. you'd realize that he's actually QQing about how bm's dps is so high that the gap between their dps and wizzards have become higher and that wizzy could get an occasional squad before but now they can't get any. he's so called "obsessed" with how broken the've become (they were broken before but nobody really saw it since it was so far out of reach, a few did but not many). and even then it's the fact that it's standard to have 5aps to farm and he's unable to farm with the class that he likes. try to read more sharply and take time for that little brain of yours to think it over. since you obviously failed at that one. as for it goign to 2.86/3.33 i never said it would. Should and Would are 2 completely different stories. if pwi wants their game to continue on for more then a year longer (if it lasts that long at this rate) then they'll need to do something to balance it again. as well as fix some of the outstanding glitches such as rubberbanding.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Where do you people get off saying a Warsoul magic sword will be less DPS than 5.0? no ****? One can one shot a squad, the other can DD at a boss.

I'll say this now, +5 Lunar claws at 5.0 is more DPS than +12 G15 Jade Emperor's Defiance, but what are you going to use in TW seriously?

Asheera - Raging Tide

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Where do you people get off saying a Warsoul magic sword will be less DPS than 5.0? no ****? One can one shot a squad, the other can DD at a boss.

I'll say this now, +5 Lunar claws at 5.0 is more DPS than +12 G15 Jade Emperor's Defiance, but what are you going to use in TW seriously?

We're discussing about PvE farming capabilities here. You're comparing apples with oranges like someone said in the other thread.

For stuff like TW sins got stealth, archers can use bows instead of claws, and BMs axes. Switching weapons is 1 click away.

But why give extra advantage in farming for BMs/archers/other 5 aps'ers?

Quilue - Sanctuary

That's why it's senseless talking about Warsoul wizard wep having less DPS than 5.0 in the first place. One is not a DPS wep while the other one is.