Weapon Limitation

Lenore - Harshlands

Just like how everyone is making a sin and getting the aps daggers? Mhmm...

Olbaze - Sanctuary

I voted for fists because I am cool.

Okeano - Harshlands

Aelo - Harshlands wrote: »

The real point that should be made is that aps should be capped at 3.0.

There is no 3.0 attack speed.

And as always, a poll in this forum is completely useless in terms of affecting the game change. All it does is bring QQers and ppl that QQ about QQers.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

There is no 3.0 attack speed.

... If they changed the cap to be 3.0, then sure as hell there would be 3.0 attack speed. It'd just be that you'd have 2.86, then 3.0, 3.0, 3.0 instead of 2.86, 3.33, 4.0 and 5.0.

Though ... why 3.0? What's the reasoning behind such an arbitrary number? Other than being the closest integer that wouldn't allow for perma-sparking, I see no reason for 3.0. Well, IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0 is a good mouse, but I doubt that's related.

Okeano - Harshlands

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

... If they changed the cap to be 3.0, then sure as hell there would be 3.0 attack speed. It'd just be that you'd have 2.86, then 3.0, 3.0, 3.0 instead of 2.86, 3.33, 4.0 and 5.0.

Look at it programming wise. The game is programed through interval to "wait XX second, attack, wait xx second". It'd be dumb to have the last -0.05 interval from 2.86 sparked to only take off 0.01666666 of your interval. It'd be at 3.33 APS if somehow they decided to cap it around there. I'm just pointing out that he's yelling "should be at 3.0 aps!" when he doesn't understand the game mechanics.

Kaste - Sanctuary

Aelo - Harshlands wrote: »

The real point that should be made is that aps should be capped at 3.0.

This won't be possible now, too many already have 5 APS, so that they would get mad if max APS would be changed to 3 or 4.

Also, restoring balance by nerfing is not a good idea, i'd rather strenghten barbs agro skills so that they could actually do the job, make mages cast faster and increase damage dealt by archers. Or something like that xD.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

Wait, what? Archers need to do MORE damage? b:laugh

I'd like to see mage classes be able to use non magic weapons. Fist Fox Form would be very nice as an actual build, and not something half-assed. And Sins using weaps other than daggers would be pretty awesome... Not to mention, it's pretty inspiring watching a high level sin take out mobs in BH29 with a bow... I think Sins should actually get some bow skills? Isn't archery and ranged combat used in assassination?

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

Look at it programming wise. The game is programed through interval to "wait XX second, attack, wait xx second". It'd be dumb to have the last -0.05 interval from 2.86 sparked to only take off 0.01666666 of your interval. It'd be at 3.33 APS if somehow they decided to cap it around there. I'm just pointing out that he's yelling "should be at 3.0 aps!" when he doesn't understand the game mechanics.

Well, I did say that picking 3.0 seemed strange. There's no basis for it.

Kaste - Sanctuary

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wait, what? Archers need to do MORE damage? b:laugh

I'd like to see mage classes be able to use non magic weapons. Fist Fox Form would be very nice as an actual build, and not something half-assed. And Sins using weaps other than daggers would be pretty awesome... Not to mention, it's pretty inspiring watching a high level sin take out mobs in BH29 with a bow... I think Sins should actually get some bow skills? Isn't archery and ranged combat used in assassination?

1. If you read some pages before we discussed that before. Archer should be doing more damage then a BM. As it was, but it isn't anymore. But the point is that end game Archers can deal more damage by using fist/claw then by using bow. And that is not how it should be.

2. There are fist venomancers.

3. Some Sins use fist/claw.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

I voted for fists because I am cool.

thats how george bush got elected.

and no, you aren't.

Lyritha - Heavens Tear

No I don't think it would be fair game to switch up what weapon works for which class given the age of the game. Blademasters are not deemed not useful because other classes can use those weapons as they have none of the skills associated with what makes a blademaster a blademaster. Yes they can equip the weapon but they cannot do anything other than regular attacks with them.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

Kaste - Sanctuary wrote: »

1. If you read some pages before we discussed that before. Archer should be doing more damage then a BM. As it was, but it isn't anymore. But the point is that end game Archers can deal more damage by using fist/claw then by using bow. And that is not how it should be.

2. There are fist venomancers.

3. Some Sins use fist/claw.

1. I've seen that in game. But... before endgame, Archers do proportionally more damage than other classes. once my archer got Knockback, I no longer needed HP pots, and could really tear through quests, even faster than I can on a similar level Veno doing two mobs at once. Of course, I put a Mana Charm on my Archer (traded FB19 bow for it). Veno is double charmed (christmas charms from the other year + FB19 weap turnin).

2. Yes, I've experimented with that... But... It's kinda useless getting stuck in FF until you relog, and being unable to heal pet/change equips/use any skills at all... Sorta pointless.

3. Sins, Archers, and apparently Clerics use Fist/Claw (I ran into a Fist/bow cleric the other day, don't ask). Sins can use bow, too... Level 95 Sin friend of mine has Unicorn for ranged mobs/bosses with nasty AOE, and it is quite effective. I'm making a Bow for my Sin.

Endgame needs some tweaks, I'll agree. I'd still like to at least be able to use skills with non magic weaps on my mage class characters. Use barehand value, or even a penalty on magic attack, but at least make them usable. o.O

Kaste - Sanctuary

Lyritha - Heavens Tear wrote: »

No I don't think it would be fair game to switch up what weapon works for which class given the age of the game. Blademasters are not deemed not useful because other classes can use those weapons as they have none of the skills associated with what makes a blademaster a blademaster. Yes they can equip the weapon but they cannot do anything other than regular attacks with them.

In order to get high DPS with fists/claws

triple spark → autohit → triple spark → autohit, period.

so no BM needed

Kaste - Sanctuary

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

3. Sins, Archers, and apparently Clerics use Fist/Claw (I ran into a Fist/bow cleric the other day, don't ask). Sins can use bow, too... Level 95 Sin friend of mine has Unicorn for ranged mobs/bosses with nasty AOE, and it is quite effective. I'm making a Bow for my Sin.

Endgame needs some tweaks, I'll agree. I'd still like to at least be able to use skills with non magic weaps on my mage class characters. Use barehand value, or even a penalty on magic attack, but at least make them usable. o.O

So makes 6/8 classes use fists/claws -.-

BM and Sin have good uses for bow, i have a nice 3* ^^

Kaste - Sanctuary

sashagray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

thats How George Bush Got Elected.

And No, You Aren't.

Lmao ^^

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

I don't care except magic weapons.

Kaste - Sanctuary

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

I don't care except magic weapons.

That means? You already have access to all of them except artifacts.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

Kaste - Sanctuary wrote: »

That means? You already have access to all of them except artifacts.

Yes but I don't have the stats to equip say TT80 axe or what ever you use at that lvl.btw I could do the same amount of damage with my magic sword that those TT80 axes could do by just using auto attack.

Lorrayna - Lost City

Lol, nope because limiting weapons to class already happens.. and it would limit customization of characters. I am working on making a melee veno, and its going well. b:victory

Kaste - Sanctuary

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yes but I don't have the stats to equip say TT80 axe or what ever you use at that lvl.btw I could do the same amount of damage with my magic sword that those TT80 axes could do by just using auto attack.

Probably if you would add some STR and DEX xD ^^

But in your case, wouldn't you like to be able to equip artifacts?

angellicdeity

Reason why this change can never be implemented:


A ) PWI will never remove 5 aps if they care anything for their income. 5 aps is the only reason PWI is making money on this game.





B ) If PWI makes fists BM-only it will severely imbalance the game. To compensate they must either nerf BM's severely (again not happening due to the money people invested), or beef up other classes incapable of reaching 5 aps otherwise.



What that means is you need to do more than triple the damage archer/wizard/psychic/cleric attacks to ensure they are dealing more damage. In the case of archers who were clearly meant to do more damage than BM's you need to pack in 1 shot the damage a BM does in 5....


So what does that mean? Archers hit unholy amounts of damage on instance bosses and any monsters.


Where does that go? Archers, Wizards, Clerics, and Psychics become the undisputed PvP classes able to 1 shot your measly 10K hp uncritted.











So... its in PWI's best interest to see your weapon limitation never happens. Todays broken game is less broken than a game with your changes.

Kaste - Sanctuary

angellicdeity wrote: »

Reason why this change can never be implemented:


A ) PWI will never remove 5 aps if they care anything for their income. 5 aps is the only reason PWI is making money on this game.





B ) If PWI makes fists BM-only it will severely imbalance the game. To compensate they must either nerf BM's severely (again not happening due to the money people invested), or beef up other classes incapable of reaching 5 aps otherwise.



What that means is you need to do more than triple the damage archer/wizard/psychic/cleric attacks to ensure they are dealing more damage. In the case of archers who were clearly meant to do more damage than BM's you need to pack in 1 shot the damage a BM does in 5....


So what does that mean? Archers hit unholy amounts of damage on instance bosses and any monsters.


Where does that go? Archers, Wizards, Clerics, and Psychics become the undisputed PvP classes able to 1 shot your measly 10K hp uncritted.











So... its in PWI's best interest to see your weapon limitation never happens. Todays broken game is less broken than a game with your changes.

To get it right, i do not call these suggestion MY CHANGES. I don't know myself how to change it, but i know something has to change. That is why this thread exists, to gather some suggestions and discuss possible solutions (They won't change anything anyway).

Miugre - Heavens Tear

Restrict 5aps to BMs with fists, and possibly sins with daggers. No other class should be able to reach 5.0 with fists under any circumstance.

Personally, I would scale back the aps cap to 3.33 or so... then we wouldn't have any of these problems. -_-

I voted for option 5... fists are still useful on my main for utility purposes, but if I were able to use daggers I wouldn't miss the fists. :P (as long as archers can't acheive 5.0 with them)

Kaste - Sanctuary

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Restrict 5aps to BMs with fists, and possibly sins with daggers. No other class should be able to reach 5.0 with fists under any circumstance.

Personally, I would scale back the aps cap to 3.33 or so... then we wouldn't have any of these problems. -_-

I voted for option 5... fists are still useful on my main for utility purposes, but if I were able to use daggers I wouldn't miss the fists. :P (as long as archers can't acheive 5.0 with them)

cap APS to 3.33 would make many 5 APS people rage xD

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear

Everything in this thread is very Anti-BM and Pro Archer/Sin.


How about us BM's get some of that easy to acquire Rank-Interval pieces?

Or how sins can actually farm int daggers, I'd like to be able to farm int fist / claws.
(Paying millions of coins just to open Lunar is NOT farming.)

Change those, then we can talk.

Kaste - Sanctuary

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

How about us BM's get some of that easy to acquire Rank-Interval pieces?

Or how sins can actually farm int daggers, I'd like to be able to farm int fist / claws.
(Paying millions of coins just to open Lunar is NOT farming.)

Change those, then we can talk.

That does not actually have anything to do with the topic, does it?

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear

Kaste - Sanctuary wrote: »

That does not actually have anything to do with the topic, does it?

The thread reeks of "interval users" so it does. You wanna change up weps, then everyone should should be able to get the armor/stats they desire.

TempleSlave - Lost City

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Or how sins can actually farm int daggers, I'd like to be able to farm int fist / claws.
(Paying millions of coins just to open Lunar is NOT farming.)

/facepalm

Even with old lunar it was still cheaper to buy the Lunar Insignias than to farm lunar gear.

Learn to farm then buy what you need.

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear

TempleSlave - Lost City wrote: »

/facepalm

Even with old lunar it was still cheaper to buy the Lunar Insignias than to farm lunar gear.

Learn to farm then buy what you need.

I have issues with supporting pack items, I think everything should be reasonably straight forward to acquire through the instance it comes from not purposefully gimped to favor cash shopping.

But thats my personal opinion.


P.S. I think I figured out who you are, damn you troll.

TempleSlave - Lost City

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have issues with supporting pack items, I think everything should be reasonably straight forward to acquire through the instance it comes from not purposefully gimped to favor cash shopping.

But thats my personal opinion.


P.S. I think I figured out who you are, damn you troll.

I'm new to the forums. I'm old to Perfect World. If you've ever farmed any Lunar Gear, you know that getting all your gold mats from farming took months of hard work. You can put that hard work into farming to resell to buy the Insignias.

P.S. My main is really on Sanctuary.