Essence present: Lucky TW packs.

Trelmanor - Lost City

Ignation - Lost City wrote: »

Pretty sure everyone isn't the same when you talk to them in pms.

You can say "He's an idiot" but when you get to talk to the actual person, not his ego self, you find out that he/she is a pretty decent person.

There are a LOT of spec that I love talking to.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

Trash talk is sometimes essential for intense pvp, but too much trash talking and singling out one person is just **** and un-called for.

couldn't agree moreb:victory

Wadzio - Lost City

KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »

The 3 guilds were balance.. we all had fair ammount of players n sum tws would last long as long as they were full.


Most of the tws spectral won easy is cus sum people in kami lost interest in commin to tw.


Same as spectral lost interest in showing up for TW after they "put mirages as reward"


I enjoy tw no matter wat.. It is fun to play n to be in it. Have been in all CQ/Kami tws since i joined cq at like 93.


Its not essence fault that yar Director went emo n decided to make his own guild. Its his own decision n people leaving spectral.. is there own decision. Its not like essence pull a gun in yar head n said leave now.

Spectral has his own issues.. just like Kami did have their own when people like Llama, xalana n others went emo too. Its really a phase in ea guild, when things go wrong n people start pointing fingers.. its when a strong guild stay together or disband.

Ey if athran can hold spectral get his members back, im pretty sure they be competitive once again.


Lets be honest with essence.. Last TW Kami n spectral had DRopzio went emo n left guild n start going all emo n stuff. After a few weeks, he kicks out one of the members n lot of them feel uncomfortable. The spectral that essence was twing against wasnt the same as Kami was twing.

Kami always fought Spectral in their highest, when they had LTX n most of their good people. Once LTX left.. n internal issues.. spectral n essence had 5-15mins tws.

Not saying essence is bad, they do have strong people. Their catas and mages btw the 3 guilds are probably higher n slighty better than kami/spectral. But i think 3 of the guilds have a chance to win any TW.

I said i had prefer to TW essence than Spectral, cus Essence Tws would be for fun n have a good time. Maybe that gets more people excited to come cause they want to have some good fun. If ya really need it for salary n 1m=3m payments to enjoy the game.. Then ya really need a new hobby.. cus yar not enjoying the game for what is it for.


And if ya complain for double atacks.. spectral was the first one ganking kami with koi n click. While essence was taking land from other guilds, then essence help us to double atack n pay with the same coin that spectral was using. (Not our fault their allies were highly weaker than ours)

P.S. I typed this fast.. so any corrections with grammar or vocab or w.e .;. < theres teh answer.

Spectral lost interest in TW b4 the "mirage payment" for TW. I wouldnt even call it lost of interest, but just the situation with the guild was getting worst and with some ppl going on vacations, quitting and having rl issues its started to be a trouble. Anyway as I mentioned many times b4 - Spectral was having real TWs (2-3 of them) every week and it was burning a lot more money that You could receive with coins system payment. Do You really think that getting or not 1m salary that was not even covering 1/3 of charm use per week is the reason to lose interest in TW? This argument is totally not valid.

Yea, I agree. What is killing Spectral is Spectral, not any other guild or anything else and also I agree that a lot ( to not say ALL ) is in Athran hands. Im pretty sure most of the server know and could see that Athran was barely playing lately and with innactive leader, a guild - going thru some troubles, also when game is having huge changes - cant work well. This is why there is Rogaine and UNITY now, because Spectral without Athran cant work and no matter what Dropzio, Minx and others in Spectral will do - it will never be the same. Till then I agree with u.

I didnt leave Spectral, because I was emo. I was tired of taking care of all issues in Spectral except making pots and handling them out for TW. I work in rl, I also want to have some fun ing and it was simply too much work for me. I was never willing to be leader of Spectral, I know myself I dont have qualities for this, I was trying to organize guild life, make things happen, work as a manager in Spectral. As stupid as it sounds ppl can get exhausted with leading such a big guild like Spectral. I didnt play for over week to relax. So I dunno where You get such infos and where do You see emoness in that?

For sure Spectral was different b4. We had more active Athran, LTX, FleaBag, Feral_Wrath, Laanaa, Desnetsu, Ahira, QueensTHUC, Alahna, Bow_of_War, Ah_Wei, Ah_seng, Fito, Desdemonaaa, xTarjax, Vangora, Woflmanjack, arwenu and I could count ppl more and more to make some ppl realise that in 1 month we lost like 1/3 of our main TW power. We had few TW with Essence while we had all those ppl and we won most of them easily. I also agree with Trel - TW with Kamisama were always more entertaining and harder for Spectral than with Essence. Kami always had some new strategy for TW and they were more annoying. Essence is at the top now, but b4 they were really bad organized in TW and every TW they were still trying the same, so they had no chance to do well.

Well I dont complain abt double attacks. You were allies, it was the natural consequence. Maybe I can just comment the reasoning "for the balance of the server" excuse as pretty funny, specially afte reading this topic. Ofc Spec double'd Kamisama in past, same as CQ tripled BLT with RQ and GuardianZ and later CQ got tripled by Spec, RQ and Riot (that You were member btw). Its not something new, it wasnt invented by Spec.

yashino

Wadzio - Lost City wrote: »

Well I dont complain abt double attacks. You were allies, it was the natural consequence. Maybe I can just comment the reasoning "for the balance of the server" excuse as pretty funny, specially afte reading this topic. Ofc Spec double'd Kamisama in past, same as CQ tripled BLT with RQ and Essence and later CQ got tripled by Spec, RQ and Riot (that You were member btw). Its not something new, it wasnt invented by Spec.

you made no sense here..
edit: but dont you forget CQ might have tripple atk once, while spec repeatedly tripple atk CQ with RQ/Riot/GZ

Wadzio - Lost City

yashino wrote: »

you made no sense here..
edit: but dont you forget CQ might have tripple atk once, while spec repeatedly tripple atk CQ with RQ/Riot/GZ

Shano, im pretty sure it was more than just a single triple attack... It was at least 4 weeks of triple attacks...

EDIT: and still it confirms Spectal was not the 1st to invent such tactics.

EDIT2: oh yea I meant guardianz. I already edited the other post too.

yashino

Wadzio - Lost City wrote: »

Shano, im pretty sure it was more than just a single triple attack... It was at least 4 weeks of triple attacks...

EDIT: and still it confirms Spectal was not the 1st to invent such tactics.

EDIT2: oh yea I meant guardianz. I already edited the other post too.

i know,
but my point is spec repeatedly tripple atk CQ like almost every weeks. and pretty sure such tatic wasnt invented by anyone or any guild. it's just how other guilds see and take advantage of a failing/struggling guild.

yashino

squab wrote: »

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RedsRose - Lost City

Wadzio - Lost City wrote: »

Yea, I agree. What is killing Spectral is Spectral, not any other guild or anything else and also I agree that a lot ( to not say ALL ) is in Athran hands. Im pretty sure most of the server know and could see that Athran was barely playing lately and with innactive leader, a guild - going thru some troubles, also when game is having huge changes - cant work well. This is why there is Rogaine and UNITY now, because Spectral without Athran cant work and no matter what Dropzio, Minx and others in Spectral will do - it will never be the same. Till then I agree with u.

I didnt leave Spectral, because I was emo. I was tired of taking care of all issues in Spectral except making pots and handling them out for TW. I work in rl, I also want to have some fun ing and it was simply too much work for me. I was never willing to be leader of Spectral, I know myself I dont have qualities for this, I was trying to organize guild life, make things happen, work as a manager in Spectral. As stupid as it sounds ppl can get exhausted with leading such a big guild like Spectral. I didnt play for over week to relax. So I dunno where You get such infos and where do You see emoness in that?

I just wanted to say that as Director, it would be your job to hold the guild together. Blaming the majority on Athran tbh is not the answer, as it would have been your "duty" to step up and take responsibility for the guild and the people within the guild. In different words, you were the Vice President. Should the President fall on hard times, etc, it would be your job to see to the duties of the President to the best of your abilities until things were taken care of or sorted out. Therefore to even say that you were "tired of taking care of all issues," means that maybe you were not cut out for the job of Director...just a thought to ponder on and not an insult...take it as it is.

More then a few of us know that Athran has for a while been having some difficult times and it happens to all of us. But the time line for the beginning of the "down-fall" is rather ironic if you truly think about it...

Additionally, I will not lie in that I believed Spectral would have been around much longer...things happen yes, but imo is was not mostly Athran and to even suggest that it was...well I will leave it at that.

BTW...I lol's rl at the reference to Dropzio :P

Wadzio - Lost City

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

I just wanted to say that as Director, it would be your job to hold the guild together. Blaming the majority on Athran tbh is not the answer, as it would have been your "duty" to step up and take responsibility for the guild and the people within the guild. In different words, you were the Vice President. Should the President fall on hard times, etc, it would be your job to see to the duties of the President to the best of your abilities until things were taken care of or sorted out. Therefore to even say that you were "tired of taking care of all issues," means that maybe you were not cut out for the job of Director...just a thought to ponder on and not an insult...take it as it is.

More then a few of us know that Athran has for a while been having some difficult times and it happens to all of us. But the time line for the beginning of the "down-fall" is rather ironic if you truly think about it...

Additionally, I will not lie in that I believed Spectral would have been around much longer...things happen yes, but imo is was not mostly Athran and to even suggest that it was...well I will leave it at that.

BTW...I lol's rl at the reference to Dropzio :P

Not willing to go into details. I was doing that job for weeks and months. Athran had this kind of break also at the end of 2009. This year it happened again since April. Ofc, me and other officers were more than understanding to his rl issues and we were taking the responsability of runing the guild till some point. There are some things that only Athran could solve and that he was asked by all officers to do. This never happened. We kept asking him for the same, he was keep saying he will fix it this week, at some point it was pointless - while we waited, the things were getting worst. So yes, I got tired of taking the responsability for all the guild issues. Im really not willing to go into details. Its not the correct place. I just hope Athran will be active again some day and with his ability of leadership he will put all those puzzles together.

Asiris - Lost City

Wadzio - Lost City wrote: »

Not willing to go into details. I was doing that job for weeks and months. Athran had this kind of break also at the end of 2009. This year it happened again since April. Ofc, me and other officers were more than understanding to his rl issues and we were taking the responsability of runing the guild till some point. There are some things that only Athran could solve and that he was asked by all officers to do. This never happened. We kept asking him for the same, he was keep saying he will fix it this week, at some point it was pointless - while we waited, the things were getting worst. So yes, I got tired of taking the responsability for all the guild issues. Im really not willing to go into details. Its not the correct place. I just hope Athran will be active again some day and with his ability of leadership he will put all those puzzles together.

UR TERRIBLE
b:byeHAI ROSEY b:cute

Trelmanor - Lost City

In reference to dbl, triple attacks w/e.....
Tw and the bidding process is a bit of a chess game. Using allies to help you is a part of that and should be expected.No single guild should ever expect to never be dbl or trpl teamed. Like it or not, the chess game last time was won easily by CQ, they played the game extremely well and had no reservations about stepping on anyone (including thier allies) when the opportunity presented itself. Once the map reset, thier were a few strong guilds that looked like they may be able to take over the mantle from CQ and dominate the map. But like CQ did when they dominated the last time, Essence quietly (and quickly) organized themselves and became a strong guild without alot of people taking notice. Maybe because they were still trying to 'find themselves' in TW and were concentrating on taking the lands in the bottom right corner of the map, people didn't think too much of them at the beginning. But unlike some of the other strong guilds they never stopped believing in themselves and suddenly became the guild alot of people wanted to be in (mostly due to fear lol). Now as it was back in the days of CQ... unless people don't step up and quit being afraid to try, one guild will once again sweep the map and have total control. Don't hate Essence for doing it, if you feel strongly enough about it (I actually don't TBH) then do something... find the strong guilds, form alliances, work hard and let Essence know that it will not be an easy march to total domination. If not then kudos to Essence for also playing the game well and doing what alot of people didn't see coming or refused to believe would happen. Every guild capable of putting 80 on the field of battle (regardless of lvl and gear) that care enough about one guild owning all the land should take up arms and place thier TW bids... 'cause lets face it , even before the TW changes to rewards, the salary never did cover the costs of a war... don't do it for the reward, do it for pride and fun. As for me, I unfortunately have lost interest in most aspects of the game, TW included, so phlame me if you want for telling you that you should when I won't but no-one else is gonna say it so.....

Jesya - Lost City

While I agree with some of your points RR, I must point out that when a leader just completely gives up and folds why should any of his members give a damn?
Coming online 3 minutes before TW for more then 1 week in a row only shows to your guild how much you care about the direction it is headed. No matter what the officers or director does in a guild, the people look essentially to the leader as an example and for guidance. Lead by example.

Not everyone knows the full story about what is or was going on with Spectral except the inner circle per say... his officers and Athran. There were many meetings and discussions about the path in which the guild was headed with solutions and plans to turn it around. However, if it was too much for Athran because of RL issues he should have stepped down and given someone a chance to turn the guild around before it was too late with the idea he'd come back to lead if or when he was ready.

Athran is an amazing leader.. when he's online and active. But quite frankly you can't lead a guild by logging into vent and only speaking with maybe 1 or 2 people and never logging into the game. There are some issues that only the leader of a guild should handle and it isn't fair to throw everything onto the shoulders of the director expecting him to handle all. Wadzio did this for I'd say half a year... at some point things need to change.


Anyway, grats to Essence. You had a good strategy and it panned out well. It will be interesting to see what happens in the TWs vs Kami and Essence since they seem to swap players back and forth. Hopefully those 2 guilds still have members who enjoy twing and will last quite a bit for some fun.

While I agree with what most of you said, PWI is dying especially with some recent changes there is some fun to be had. The pvp wars at SP or W Gate lately Essence vs rogaine vs unity vs spec are a blast. Although it will never be like a year+ ago with mass pvp at vol 29 with just a sea of green dots on the map... it is quite fun.

yashino

Trelmanor - Lost City wrote: »

In reference to dbl, triple attacks w/e.....
Tw and the bidding process is a bit of a chess game. Using allies to help you is a part of that and should be expected.No single guild should ever expect to never be dbl or trpl teamed. Like it or not, the chess game last time was won easily by CQ, they played the game extremely well and had no reservations about stepping on anyone (including thier allies) when the opportunity presented itself. Once the map reset, thier were a few strong guilds that looked like they may be able to take over the mantle from CQ and dominate the map. But like CQ did when they dominated the last time, Essence quietly (and quickly) organized themselves and became a strong guild without alot of people taking notice. Maybe because they were still trying to 'find themselves' in TW and were concentrating on taking the lands in the bottom right corner of the map, people didn't think too much of them at the beginning. But unlike some of the other strong guilds they never stopped believing in themselves and suddenly became the guild alot of people wanted to be in (mostly due to fear lol). Now as it was back in the days of CQ... unless people don't step up and quit being afraid to try, one guild will once again sweep the map and have total control. Don't hate Essence for doing it, if you feel strongly enough about it (I actually don't TBH) then do something... find the strong guilds, form alliances, work hard and let Essence know that it will not be an easy march to total domination. If not then kudos to Essence for also playing the game well and doing what alot of people didn't see coming or refused to believe would happen. Every guild capable of putting 80 on the field of battle (regardless of lvl and gear) that care enough about one guild owning all the land should take up arms and place thier TW bids... 'cause lets face it , even before the TW changes to rewards, the salary never did cover the costs of a war... don't do it for the reward, do it for pride and fun. As for me, I unfortunately have lost interest in most aspects of the game, TW included, so phlame me if you want for telling you that you should when I won't but no-one else is gonna say it so.....

b:shutup dont say everyone quit cuz of fear.
I, for example, quit cuz game is really really boring, no goal, no purpose. like i said i have been careless about TW ever since it was fun. but again it's just not worth it to log on weekend just to tw...

SilverMinx - Lost City

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

I just wanted to say that as Director, it would be your job to hold the guild together. Blaming the majority on Athran tbh is not the answer, as it would have been your "duty" to step up and take responsibility for the guild and the people within the guild. In different words, you were the Vice President. Should the President fall on hard times, etc, it would be your job to see to the duties of the President to the best of your abilities until things were taken care of or sorted out. Therefore to even say that you were "tired of taking care of all issues," means that maybe you were not cut out for the job of Director...just a thought to ponder on and not an insult...take it as it is.

More then a few of us know that Athran has for a while been having some difficult times and it happens to all of us. But the time line for the beginning of the "down-fall" is rather ironic if you truly think about it...

Additionally, I will not lie in that I believed Spectral would have been around much longer...things happen yes, but imo is was not mostly Athran and to even suggest that it was...well I will leave it at that.

BTW...I lol's rl at the reference to Dropzio :P

Wadzio did the best he could and IMO it was pretty damned good and I miss him very very much, as I miss all the wonderful Specs I have known for over 6 month. Nor is it Wadzio's fault if his best wasn't perfect that he couldn't magically make people come back to the game. Nor is it the people who left's fault they had better things to do than play a game.

It is/was not Athran's fault that Spectral in now suffering and on the brink BUT it certainly did/does not help that he has been unable to be an active leader. He is a wonderful leader and it is unfortunate that real life is requiring his attention but that is how it should be, real life is always more important. However, Spectral is not Spectral without her beloved leader. No more than Conqueror would have be Conqueror without Daikoku.

It is not Kamisama or Essence's fault they have emerged the stronger although the constant cruelty, childishness, pettiness certainly did not help. It sickens me how much pleasure some derive from the misfortunes of others, especially considering this is just a game. Even now, all I see is the gloating in these forums. I often wonder what is wrong with people. Call me naivee but I really don't understand why there cannot be "friendly rivalaries"? I am on friendly terms with many of my rivals, I don't hate them. But there is so much hate it makes playing the game unpleasant.

It is not anyone's fault that changes to the game itself makes playing it for 10x players pointless and they are reduced to viciously sniping and namecalling out of sheer boredom. It was no ones fault that the Jones Blessing made PvP a matter of who hits first. That the rewards for TW was nerfed so that the little that it did help to offset costs make that particular challenge less desirable. That little to no one needs to quest outside of safe zones with all the BHs, Frost and Nirvana removing the challenge of outsmarting the rpk'ers.

I guess with this wall of text I am trying to explain that there were lots of factors contributing to the dimished condition of Spectral and maybe the few that I know have maturity, common sense and a sense of fair play will understand. To those that can't or won't (just because it is fun to be nasty little pukes) can just eff-off.

Cheers!

Trelmanor - Lost City

yashino wrote: »

b:shutup dont say everyone quit cuz of fear.
I, for example, quit cuz game is really really boring, no goal, no purpose. like i said i have been careless about TW ever since it was fun. but again it's just not worth it to log on weekend just to tw...

OMG read the post lol I never said 'quit because of fear'.. I said alot of people wanted to be in Essence and 'maybe' due to fear... I know most players do not quit the game because of fear of a guild or players , usually they just lose interest etc. But there are some people that wish to be a part of something that they fear so they no longer have to worry. Alot of people also wanted to be part of the Essence juggernaut (again people like to be on the winning side), but I have seen people that are all too quick to jump in and help Essence in pvp even tho it is not needed or asked for and I would say that they do it in the hopes to 'be on the guilds good side'.

This time around is no different then when CQ dominated, most guilds/players were afraid to do anything that could be interpreted as aggresive in any way toward CQ as they are now against Essence. Because Essence is still not a full rpk guild there are those that will do what they can to kiss azz, they hate because Essence hates, they attack because Essence does, in a sense they are unwanted extensions of Essence, almost like fleas, ticks, feeder fish etc. you don't really want them there but they are there anyway.... sad but true.....



and p.s. before people in Essence feel they are picking on them only, I am fully aware that it also happened with Spectral, Kami and any of the larger 'factor' guilds..... they all had thier 'kling-ons'.

trevtimusprime

You people will be having this exact same discussion a year from now, when the game is "dying" even more so than this time last year and the year before last.

yashino

trevtimusprime wrote: »

You people will be having this exact same discussion a year from now, when the game is "dying" even more so than this time last year and the year before last.

im hoping to see another MiniTank post

P.S b:surrender sorry trel, i hardly read any of these posts cuz too long + your post.. its A LONG PARAGRAPH =( try separate them

Edit: did you guys notice that those CQ QQ threads was also around this time last year?

Victory_V - Lost City

I believe it time for every factions to bid on Essence land now that include nagure and RD
after all this willing make it so much more interesting to watch
it be funny to see even Yak and TC work together

Trelmanor - Lost City

yashino wrote: »

im hoping to see another MiniTank post

P.S b:surrender sorry trel, i hardly read any of these posts cuz too long + your post.. its A LONG PARAGRAPH =( try separate them

Edit: did you guys notice that those CQ QQ threads was also around this time last year?

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RedsRose - Lost City

Jesya - Lost City wrote: »

para...

Agreed...There were some things that were going on when I was there as Officer and it is noted. I will maintain as well that Athran (in his prime) was an amazing leader. It is sad to see Spectral at the point it is now.

I understand that Wadzio took on much of the guild's leadership. The job that he did can be looked at in a few ways and is at the discretion of each individual person on both the inside and the outside. I am not here to judge as I know there were a few things going on b:surrender

The fun was had then and now the "new" fun can be had with what all of us have left in this game. Some are here for the friendships, the pvp, etc and some are here waiting out the next games to come out in a few months. I think we can all agree overall that many of us that have been around have reached their peaks in terms of their characters...

TBH though...the return of better PvP is good for us high levels. We all win and lose but in then end we all just want to have a little more fun before moving on sooner then later.

SilverMinx - Lost City wrote: »

Wadzio did the best he could and IMO it was pretty damned good and I miss him very very much, as I miss all the wonderful Specs I have known for over 6 month. Nor is it Wadzio's fault if his best wasn't perfect that he couldn't magically make people come back to the game. Nor is it the people who left's fault they had better things to do than play a game.

It is/was not Athran's fault that Spectral in now suffering and on the brink BUT it certainly did/does not help that he has been unable to be an active leader. He is a wonderful leader and it is unfortunate that real life is requiring his attention but that is how it should be, real life is always more important. However, Spectral is not Spectral without her beloved leader. No more than Conqueror would have be Conqueror without Daikoku.

It is not Kamisama or Essence's fault they have emerged the stronger although the constant cruelty, childishness, pettiness certainly did not help. It sickens me how much pleasure some derive from the misfortunes of others, especially considering this is just a game. Even now, all I see is the gloating in these forums. I often wonder what is wrong with people. Call me naivee but I really don't understand why there cannot be "friendly rivalaries"? I am on friendly terms with many of my rivals, I don't hate them. But there is so much hate it makes playing the game unpleasant.

It is not anyone's fault that changes to the game itself makes playing it for 10x players pointless and they are reduced to viciously sniping and namecalling out of sheer boredom. It was no ones fault that the Jones Blessing made PvP a matter of who hits first. That the rewards for TW was nerfed so that the little that it did help to offset costs make that particular challenge less desirable. That little to no one needs to quest outside of safe zones with all the BHs, Frost and Nirvana removing the challenge of outsmarting the rpk'ers.

I guess with this wall of text I am trying to explain that there were lots of factors contributing to the dimished condition of Spectral and maybe the few that I know have maturity, common sense and a sense of fair play will understand. To those that can't or won't (just because it is fun to be nasty little pukes) can just eff-off.

Cheers!

I understand more then you might think of all the factors and do agree with you on the above. You know me Minx...I just had to speak my mind. There was no insult intended but having been in that position myself and stepping down from it, I 100% understand. The blame lies in many but at the same time there is no blame to hand out. Things happen...

PS --> I couldn't find you in war to fight you bc I was in BB the whole time b:sad. But say the word and we can have some fun outside of sz b:cute...and LOL @ Trel :P

drjiggle

Trelmanor - Lost City wrote: »

In reference to dbl, triple attacks w/e.....
Tw and the bidding process is a bit of a chess game. Using allies to help you is a part of that and should be expected.No single guild should ever expect to never be dbl or trpl teamed.

Agreed. I've never understood all the crying about double and triple attacks. If you don't want to be double or triple attacked, don't try to hold more than one land. Problem solved. Frankly, I've always felt that there should be no limit to simultaneous attacks. You want to hold 20 lands? Fine, just be prepared to defend all 20 at once. Good luck, and congratulations if you succeed.

Don't hate Essence for doing it, if you feel strongly enough about it (I actually don't TBH) then do something...

As I said earlier, I think this is the problem. Few people do feel strongly about it anymore. It's not just the changes to TW. That may be the straw that broke the camel's back, but it's a whole series of things over the last year that have driven many out of the game and have driven many of the ones who are still around into indifference.

SilverMinx - Lost City wrote: »

It is not anyone's fault that changes to the game itself makes playing it for 10x players pointless and they are reduced to viciously sniping and namecalling out of sheer boredom. It was no ones fault that the Jones Blessing made PvP a matter of who hits first. That the rewards for TW was nerfed so that the little that it did help to offset costs make that particular challenge less desirable. That little to no one needs to quest outside of safe zones with all the BHs, Frost and Nirvana removing the challenge of outsmarting the rpk'ers.

It is someone's fault. It's not the players' fault. It's not the fault of anyone here. But someone did it.

Victory_V - Lost City wrote: »

it be funny to see even Yak and TC work together

There was a time when that wasn't all that far-fetched, but Nupayne is kind of an idiot and allowed himself to be manipulated by Koi. There was a chance of something happening even after that, and he gave it lip service (he actually initiated the discussion), but then he stabbed us in the back. I'm pretty sure there won't be much cooperation between us any time soon.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »

Lets be honest with essence.. Last TW Kami n spectral had DRopzio went emo n left guild n start going all emo n stuff. After a few weeks, he kicks out one of the members n lot of them feel uncomfortable. The spectral that essence was twing against wasnt the same as Kami was twing.

Kami always fought Spectral in their highest, when they had LTX n most of their good people. Once LTX left.. n internal issues.. spectral n essence had 5-15mins tws.

Not saying essence is bad, they do have strong people. Their catas and mages btw the 3 guilds are probably higher n slighty better than kami/spectral. But i think 3 of the guilds have a chance to win any TW.

Sorry, gonna have to disagree with you here for good reason. There was even a time when you had to World Chat to get your members to log off their alts and join formation. Also, a lot of you guys were just more interested in playing Monopoly than gearing up or farming more for the faction. During the time Essence was rising, we had a system in place and were farming guild Nirvana. Our newer recruits had to pass a pretty high standard most of the time, and were expected to participate and improve their gear. Many of us did considerably.

During this time you were accepting really horrible players with **** gears... PromiseME, WolfCorken, BlademastaK, etc... and didn't even really care about standards. Essence was only recruiting people who were actively trying to improve their characters. Sure a few of them were in the same league, but they were better geared and actually improved. With the exception of the best two or three squads of people in either guildl, as a faction, Essence ended up outgearing Spectral.

As for not fighting the same Spectral? That's a joke. In all the brutal wars we had over the same span, LTX and the rest of the +12 crew were almost always present. The only time we really had an advantage was on Sundays, and Friday wars were horribly tough for us.

In the beginning, we were just horrible at TW. Most of our players had never TW'd, and those of us that had weren't familiar with the system or who we were with, so our effectiveness relied on our weakest links, until they started getting the hang of what they needed to do. As far as faction experience in TW, Spectral had nearly a year of experience as a group than we did, and the same with Kami. We had a steep learning curve fighting a guild with a core that had been TWing almost nonstop since the faction was created.

Victory_V - Lost City

Hmmm something like World War 2 can happen
Where Essence is Germany
And Spec is USA and Kami is Russia with other faction take down the Germany Empire of Essence
sorry had to make fun of silvermix references to a movie and history

Trelmanor - Lost City

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Sorry, gonna have to disagree with you here for good reason. There was even a time when you had to World Chat to get your members to log off their alts and join formation. Also, a lot of you guys were just more interested in playing Monopoly than gearing up or farming more for the faction. During the time Essence was rising, we had a system in place and were farming guild Nirvana. Our newer recruits had to pass a pretty high standard most of the time, and were expected to participate and improve their gear. Many of us did considerably.

During this time you were accepting really horrible players with **** gears... PromiseME, WolfCorken, BlademastaK, etc... and didn't even really care about standards. Essence was only recruiting people who were actively trying to improve their characters. Sure a few of them were in the same league, but they were better geared and actually improved. With the exception of the best two or three squads of people in either guildl, as a faction, Essence ended up outgearing Spectral.

As for not fighting the same Spectral? That's a joke. In all the brutal wars we had over the same span, LTX and the rest of the +12 crew were almost always present. The only time we really had an advantage was on Sundays, and Friday wars were horribly tough for us.

In the beginning, we were just horrible at TW. Most of our players had never TW'd, and those of us that had weren't familiar with the system or who we were with, so our effectiveness relied on our weakest links, until they started getting the hang of what they needed to do. As far as faction experience in TW, Spectral had nearly a year of experience as a group than we did, and the same with Kami. We had a steep learning curve fighting a guild with a core that had been TWing almost nonstop since the faction was created.

Agreed Michael..... the wars between Spec and Essence at the beginning were hell...lasting 2 hours or more, only Sunday wars you had the advantage cause we had a hard time getting a full 80 together.

There was a time when Kami really did not put up much of a fight in TW... internal struggles w/e , **** happens in all guilds even Essence had thier issues at the start.

Strong guilds with strong leadership prevail where others fail... unfortunately for Spectral, no one was there to fully take over for Athran during his absence, while Wadzio and the other officers tried thier best, there never was really any communication to the rest of the guild what was going on behind the scenes and I think some of that led to indifference in the guild, people left, or just stopped caring.

While a leader or it's officers cannot be completely to blame for a guilds failure they do have to assume some of that resonsibility , but in the end the sad truth was that not enough people cared about Spectral as a whole and that is why, like other good guilds in the past it will probably not be able to return to it's former state.

Trelmanor - Lost City

Victory_V - Lost City wrote: »

Hmmm something like World War 2 can happen
Where Essence is Germany
And Spec is USA and Kami is Russia with other faction take down the Germany Empire of Essence
sorry had to make fun of silvermix references to a movie and history

lol Victory... only problem is that Spectral and Kami will never work together for a common goal.... maybe should have been more like....lord of the rings with many different guilds coming together to try and take down the evil that is trying to take over the world.b:chuckle

KedgeSniper - Lost City

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Sorry, gonna have to disagree with you here for good reason. There was even a time when you had to World Chat to get your members to log off their alts and join formation. Also, a lot of you guys were just more interested in playing Monopoly than gearing up or farming more for the faction. During the time Essence was rising, we had a system in place and were farming guild Nirvana. Our newer recruits had to pass a pretty high standard most of the time, and were expected to participate and improve their gear. Many of us did considerably.

During this time you were accepting really horrible players with **** gears... PromiseME, WolfCorken, BlademastaK, etc... and didn't even really care about standards. Essence was only recruiting people who were actively trying to improve their characters. Sure a few of them were in the same league, but they were better geared and actually improved. With the exception of the best two or three squads of people in either guildl, as a faction, Essence ended up outgearing Spectral.

As for not fighting the same Spectral? That's a joke. In all the brutal wars we had over the same span, LTX and the rest of the +12 crew were almost always present. The only time we really had an advantage was on Sundays, and Friday wars were horribly tough for us.

In the beginning, we were just horrible at TW. Most of our players had never TW'd, and those of us that had weren't familiar with the system or who we were with, so our effectiveness relied on our weakest links, until they started getting the hang of what they needed to do. As far as faction experience in TW, Spectral had nearly a year of experience as a group than we did, and the same with Kami. We had a steep learning curve fighting a guild with a core that had been TWing almost nonstop since the faction was created.

At the begining.. Spec n essence didnt have many TW ea other. Essence start going for other guilds, letting spectral n kami go against each other. Kami got most of Spectral land till alot of drama start going on inside of kami. Also alot of people had quit or didnt want to tw anymore...

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk246/luminatingheart/Perfect%20World/Territory%20Map/map54.jpg
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk246/luminatingheart/Perfect%20World/Territory%20Map/map56.jpg


Thats when spec, click n koi start 3 atacking Kami.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk246/luminatingheart/Perfect%20World/Territory%20Map/map59.jpg

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk246/luminatingheart/Perfect%20World/Territory%20Map/map63.jpg



Kami did have more Tws agains spectral when LTX was still around.. n before most of spectral "internal issues that couldnt be solved happen"

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk246/luminatingheart/Perfect%20World/Territory%20Map/map78.jpg

^ this is what i was reffering mostly, this time is when Spec-esse tw were 5-20mins cause people gettin kick out for not having Charms at pk/pking each other n other stuff around.

Im just saying.. when ya guys start twing them at north once kami got at south.. spectral was weak already.


I know both of ya TW against their ltx n others but.. what i meant is that .. wasnt as often as Kami did.


P.S. wc for "Members on alts" was pretty much for all guilds, Everyone was playing tideborns n were amazed of what was new. I remember final oath having more several WC for "members".

yashino

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Sorry, gonna have to disagree with you here for good reason. There was even a time when you had to World Chat to get your members to log off their alts and join formation. Also, a lot of you guys were just more interested in playing Monopoly than gearing up or farming more for the faction. During the time Essence was rising, we had a system in place and were farming guild Nirvana. Our newer recruits had to pass a pretty high standard most of the time, and were expected to participate and improve their gear. Many of us did considerably.

cuz it's better than pw =\b:surrender

Bowlinbob - Lost City

-pokes head in-

why so serious?b:bye

Zerhee - Lost City

Whoa dude, this thread is walls on walls of text.

ABORT ABORT

KittyTaco - Lost City

ABANDON THREADD b:shocked

Victory_V - Lost City

Trelmanor - Lost City wrote: »

lol Victory... only problem is that Spectral and Kami will never work together for a common goal.... maybe should have been more like....lord of the rings with many different guilds coming together to try and take down the evil that is trying to take over the world.b:chuckle

true, true and the ring could be there visa card
but Elayne doesnt fit the giant, flaming, eye thing