Hello, Cash Shopper Speaking

tweakz

Faulty logic from person that can't properly quote:

Oh you mean the Top 5 People of each class? Not to mention they are probably the Top Cash Shoppers on the Server to begin with? How do you think they win those events?

I was actually referencing what another non cash shopper told me they were making which was close to what I was making as well.

Oh look another random useless tangent, well let me straighten it out for you. Supply Stash first of all is giving small trinkets in order to help the newer player advance in game.

" in order to help the newer player advance in game." - That was my point.

Not gonna beat a dead horse. You just don't get it.

_Ghostz_ - Archosaur

tweakz wrote: »

Faulty logic from person that can't properly quote:



I was actually referencing what another non cash shopper told me they were making which was close to what I was making as well.




" in order to help the newer player advance in game." - That was my point.
That would be implying that Packs help new players advance in the game and if they dont cash shop it doesnt, simple as that.
Not gonna beat a dead horse. You just don't get it.

Funny that was exactly what I was going to say

10*chars lolumad?

Yamiino - Heavens Tear

Personally,

I will stop playing PWI for a while, not going to ragequit it, just pause my activity and continue later.

Why?
Well, uni starting in 1 week from now, will take a bunch of time, work as well.
Not to mention this game lost its fun part, all I see now is QQ all over the place and I'm tired of it.

I'm a cash shopper too, and on the past two months I've spent a lot on this game, and still feel it was not completly worth it, yes I spend a lot on gaming, but I spend to expect something will be done for my character, either go fast (mount / wings), get more coins (veno pets), for one thing, being able to stop spending money and focusing on grinding / having fun, without the worry of charging $10 every week to be able to afford potions.

Yes I agree, the economy is not good, I'm okay with the gold prices, but since it is so hard to make coins to even afford a chunk of potions, to be able to attempt get more coins, is complete bs :P

I got a herc for my veno, which is around lvl 66 or 67, expecting to be able to get less expenses to be able to afford my cleric without spending more money in the game.
However, that has changed a lot, since the DQ price reduction.
Not to mention drops are really low, which is not fun :P

I might come back any time soon and find the fun of it again, but for now, its game over for me for a while, might get online to tell about this to my friends, since we were doing FF like crazy on this x2 event, however, whats the point of it, if Nirvana got harder, all I hear is arcane classes dieing a lot, so my goal to 100 is messed up now.

I don't TW much, I don't really care about TW, whenever I went in TW was for fun, and ended up on faction drama, again, tired of it.

Hope PW devs do something about what they've done in the next 4 months (then I'm on vacations again then I might come back to play)

Save me my seat on this game ^^ thanks for the wonderfull time (while it lasted).

_Ghostz_ - Archosaur

Yamiino - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Personally,

I will stop playing PWI for a while, not going to ragequit it, just pause my activity and continue later.

Why?
Well, uni starting in 1 week from now, will take a bunch of time, work as well.
Not to mention this game lost its fun part, all I see now is QQ all over the place and I'm tired of it.

I'm a cash shopper too, and on the past two months I've spent a lot on this game, and still feel it was not completly worth it, yes I spend a lot on gaming, but I spend to expect something will be done for my character, either go fast (mount / wings), get more coins (veno pets), for one thing, being able to stop spending money and focusing on grinding / having fun, without the worry of charging $10 every week to be able to afford potions.

Yes I agree, the economy is not good, I'm okay with the gold prices, but since it is so hard to make coins to even afford a chunk of potions, to be able to attempt get more coins, is complete bs :P

I got a herc for my veno, which is around lvl 66 or 67, expecting to be able to get less expenses to be able to afford my cleric without spending more money in the game.
However, that has changed a lot, since the DQ price reduction.
Not to mention drops are really low, which is not fun :P

I might come back any time soon and find the fun of it again, but for now, its game over for me for a while, might get online to tell about this to my friends, since we were doing FF like crazy on this x2 event, however, whats the point of it, if Nirvana got harder, all I hear is arcane classes dieing a lot, so my goal to 100 is messed up now.

I don't TW much, I don't really care about TW, whenever I went in TW was for fun, and ended up on faction drama, again, tired of it.

Hope PW devs do something about what they've done in the next 4 months (then I'm on vacations again then I might come back to play)

Save me my seat on this game ^^ thanks for the wonderfull time (while it lasted).

Ill save you a seat ^^ and hopefully when this game changes, ill see yah in the Perfect world but until then b:bye

Cimon - Harshlands

the real deal of this all is that this game is free to play pay to win and theres just no reason whatsoever that the packs need to be there they need to adjust the drop rates for rare items so i dont have to spend the rest of my wakeing life farming for gear that you cahs folks can get mearly by clicking on buy more gold and your just about silly if you think the gold prices being up are helping this is why we have all these changes because its way to hay for your average play to afford even the cheapest of items be it a simple charm or maby even a fly mount this thread isnt QQ its simple we have felt betrayed for months and now here we are again trying to get a answear as to why we are getting screwed again

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Fuzzy_Wuzzy - Raging Tide wrote: »

However, since there is no real way to track the actual amount of coin being generated on any server on any given day, both sides of this argument are built on speculation.

It's not speculation. All you need to do is count how many Perfect Tokens of Best Luck are won in any given time frame. People have done this. Of course you cannot say for certain exactly how many of these are created in a whole week, you can easily make an estimate based off observations.

Personally, I can easily see 1-1.5 BILLION coin being created every day. Other people who have done their own observations have say as much as 2 BILLION coin are created each day.

Even if the amount is 1 billion a day, that's still almost 2x what TW puts in the economy in a week, in ONE day.

tweakz wrote: »

Here's how unbelievably stupid this constant ranting is over gold prices:

1) Some were making 10m a day off just the nien event. That's equivalent to about $25 cash for 1 1/2 hours work.
X) PWI lowered expenses for new toons greatly by implementing supply stash and weapon mold quests. -Already pointed out 1m ahead by lvl 30 for a MELEE class without vending!
3) Everyone including non cash shoppers are benefiting immensely from packs by less required farming.
4) During double drops, I made ~1m / hr grinding not including the mats I was farming.
???) BH1 for Lv. 100+ puts out a ton of coin and reduces costs immensely! A great coin sink is necessary to counter this.
6) Only a few people are complaining and they lack any reason whatsoever.
7) Some of the best equipped players are non cash shoppers.
8) Only new mounts in CS are hard to acquire. Resale price of old mounts have gone down.
9) Charms are only necessary for fail builds and misappropriated funds.
???) BH's are much faster, more profitable, and even tolerable unwined now thanks to packs.



Thread failed: End of story. 400k per gold is CHEAP! Quit badgering PWI over this non issue and get them to fix things like the many bugs that are costing us coin, xp, time, rep that have been plaguing us an unreasonable amount of time. Why aren't people whining about losing rep in FB59, 89 now? -Because they're stupid and prefer complaining about non existent problems? What about the pet attack bug? What about RB 1k bug?

I predicted this wild tirade that has nothing to do with inflation or the current gold prices.

You do realize that almost everything you mentioned has nothing to do with the discussion at hand?

#1) You are absolutely correct that this was a money generator. Your lies about making 12m newly created coin per event is a joke at best.

X = Does not have any relevance to the discussion.

#5 WTF? BH100 is a coin sink? Oh, please explain how BH100 is a coin sink. I'd love to hear that.

#10 WTF? BHs are more profitable how. Since packs have come out, -6 channeling rings, rare books and expensive molds drop all the time for you?

#5 + #10 = huge contradiction. Ok do you make tons of coins there or is it a money sink? Which one is it?


You still don't know the difference between creating new coin in the economy or recirculating old coin is not the same thing. Your basic logic is flawed and horrible which is why your arguments are horrible. Your base understanding is flawed and any argument you build upon that foundation is just as weak.

You're on crack. You need to stop the drugs. Really.

fulgida

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

I'll be honest and say I don't understand this at all. How is new coin being introduced in the economy when I save coins? If I don't chip mats and farm them or buy them from another player, how is that creating new coin?

One thing to keep in mind is that its not just one player doing one thing here. A typical player that is fighting monsters and picking up drops is probably earning 50k..200k per hour in coins. If you multiply that by the number of active players, you can get an idea of the volume of coins that get generated here.

And if you are considering overall coin volumes in a situation where coins are constantly being added to the economy, removing a coin sink has about the same effect that generating that many coins would. Yes, there is a small percentage difference, when you consider that that player could have been generating coins instead, but removing a coin sink is still a big deal.

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Personally, I can easily see 1-1.5 BILLION coin being created every day.

That is wonderful! And is also the reason I will not play on the lost city server.

Tokens of best luck inject 36k coins per dollar spent on lucky coral packs, into the economy. So the Lost City server is earning at least $1.25 million per month from lucky corals alone, according to you.

With that kind of money being thrown at PWI, I will be able to play free for quite some time!
b:dirtyb:kissb:cute

Michael_Dark - Lost City

fulgida wrote: »

Tokens of best luck inject 18k coins per dollar spent on lucky coral packs, into the economy. So the Lost City server is earning at least $2.5 million per month, according to you.

With that kind of money being thrown at PWI, I will be able to play free for quite some time!
b:dirtyb:kissb:cute

You sound confused. What is your point?

tweakz

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

When I'm not trolling PWI forums, misquoting and lying about other players: I'm busy eating ****!

You go girl! b:victory

Michael_Dark - Lost City

tweakz wrote: »

You go girl! b:victory

I apologize for your apparent brain damage. I know you can't help yourself.

b:bye

tweakz

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

I like scat, you?

Finally something we can agree on. You like ****! b:victory