Most hated class

Choco - Raging Tide

Obviously Sins. Besides being too OP in PVP, most of them suck at PVE.
Most Archers at least learn to control aggro in later Lvls. Sins seem (for the most part) totally be unable to do that. They also seem to ignore their actually really useful skills for bosses (slowing attack rate, cancelling skills) and just normal hit - spark - repeat. So maybe its not about the class really, but just the amount of useless people playing that class b:victory

Longknife - Harshlands

NoImKrel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i hate sins just for the fact they are ugly and im a racist.

BTW is it just me or does 90% of the public make their tideborn with the same face style?

I mean you never see a Tideborn with a **** face, and you rarely see any of them that look happy or have long hair. Everyone makes some short-haired, serious-looking ****.

NightRage - Raging Tide

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

BTW is it just me or does 90% of the public make their tideborn with the same face style?

I mean you never see a Tideborn with a **** face, and you rarely see any of them that look happy or have long hair. Everyone makes some short-haired, serious-looking ****.

As if they don't look **** enough, I see a ton go into the boutique and pick out a pair of sunglasses. This just amps up their homoerotic appeal, and I go into frenzy mode to kill them. I think I have 10% higher crit against them.

Archers_Soul - Lost City

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

BTW is it just me or does 90% of the public make their tideborn with the same face style?

I mean you never see a Tideborn with a **** face, and you rarely see any of them that look happy or have long hair. Everyone makes some short-haired, serious-looking ****.

Um sir... My tideborns are short haired serious looking douchebags with massive ears. Ok?

C/LLlE - Heavens Tear

Archers_Soul - Lost City wrote: »

Um sir... My tideborns are short haired serious looking douchebags with massive ears. Ok?

It's alright. We all know scowling = manliness.

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear

C/LLlE - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It's alright. We all know scowling = manliness.

And the rest belongs in Final Fantasy.

Longknife - Harshlands

C/LLlE - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It's alright. We all know scowling = manliness.

I think it's more to do with:

1) Sins are flippin' everywhere.
2) Psys are an endangered species.
3) Everyone who plays a sin is some teen who has an obsession with being "dark" and/or an unbeatable badass like in the movies. No one makes a sin and thinks "He's gonna be hot pink and gonna have glitter in his hair."

C/LLlE - Heavens Tear

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

3) Everyone who plays a sin is some teen who has an obsession with being "dark" and/or an unbeatable badass like in the movies. No one makes a sin and thinks "He's gonna be hot pink and gonna have glitter in his hair."

I would do this on principle. Just as soon as I figure out how to make a hot-pink fish.

Archers_Soul - Lost City

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

I think it's more to do with:

1) Sins are flippin' everywhere.
2) Psys are an endangered species.
3) Everyone who plays a sin is some teen who has an obsession with being "dark" and/or an unbeatable badass like in the movies. No one makes a sin and thinks "He's gonna be hot pink and gonna have glitter in his hair."

Not 100% true. I have no type of obsession with being dark but I do like being unbeatable although I stopped pvping when I left my archer although I play a sin and psy. I play a sin mainly because I play only fast high damage evasive classes with low HP (such as archers, assassins, rouges and lupins). Been like that on every game I played.

Longknife - Harshlands

Back on topic...

Considering casting my vote for clerics. I've already stated that a lot of them have this "holier than thou" attitude, and they're also a real pain for PVP. They hit pretty hard and they've got that damn sleep spell. If I get ganged by a BM and an Archer, you can work that out so that you can win. If you get ganged by a cleric and anything though, then it's pretty damn impossible, just cause they'll sleep you and leave you helpless.

TigerLily - Lost City

Barbs of course.

Most self-adsorbed douches play this class for some reason. Greedy + whiny attention seekers.

And if i have to see one more screen shots of Armageddon damage like its a great achievement to 1 shot other players with the most broken skill in the game - i might just puke irl.

No clue why people hate sins so much, most people playing assassins seems to be pretty modest and cool. At least the higher lvl ones. They just sneak up on ppl and chop them to little pieces than pops away without a word b:chuckle. Most of them dont take 200 screen shoots and spams WC and calls everyone fail for dying. Well thats my experience might be different elsewhere.

SlashSin - Lost City

I, too, cast my vote for assassins. Not because of their OP-ness (which is a given, lol), but because of the attitude of many I've seen/killed.

If I kill them from stealth, they say "omg gank! you fail so much if i was just able to see you I'd win!"

So then I don't stealth, walk up to them and kill them still, and they say "omg fail harder cash shop sin."

The best is when I'm fighting a BM/barb and they come up and stun/seal me while the BM/barb finishes me off, and they say "Hahahaha! pwnt by an 8x sin with **** gear, you fail."

A final of their poor attitude is seeing them get killed by someone else 10-20 levels higher than them after attempting to stealth-gank them, and they say "wow good job you killed someone 15 levels lower than you."

Granted this is not intended as being a generalization, because there are many sins I know that don't act this way. Unfortunately, the assassin class seems to have attracted a lot of the jerk-players, and for this reason, they are my most-hated class.

Theo - Raging Tide

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

This is true too.

I don't care what MMO your playing: the healing class is always plagued with self-righteous jerks who think they're the most important thing to show up on Earth since plumbing.

tbh I really Hate Sins, usually the player behind the character is really an "****". And to be honest I do see a lot of cleric who think they are the best. I know my limits and what I can so, personally untill Sins came out I would see Barbs with the "Oh, I am God. I have too much HP & a Charm so u cant do anything 1v1" attitude. But really, I normally would do decent damage to a sin. I never thought I would see lvl 10 tempest deal 1 damage though, it made me laugh so hard I cried. People use to complain about Venos + Nix, but really the flaw was too easy, sleep and veno or run up a hill. But really now? a person that can chain stun worse than a BM, make themselves immune to YOUR stuns, go invis and even be lower than you and you cant see them, 1 hit you or sit there and in 2 seconds they have more chi than you. Seriously if I wanted to be put in a one sided battle I would just try to solo AE in 2-3. At least I will not see "Deals 1 damage" b:angry

Theo - Raging Tide

I am going to be the 1st sin to never use the invis skill, i will name him mimime and ** up his face so his looks alone will 1 shot GMs

Longknife - Harshlands

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

No clue why people hate sins so much, most people playing assassins seems to be pretty modest and cool. At least the higher lvl ones. They just sneak up on ppl and chop them to little pieces than pops away without a word b:chuckle. Most of them dont take 200 screen shoots and spams WC and calls everyone fail for dying. Well thats my experience might be different elsewhere.

I think I can give a good example of the attitude of sins.


Today a level 79 Sin wanted to duel me. I agreed and...well he beat me. This was one of those sins who actually did the perfect combo and chained all of his ailments together to leave me absolutely helpless. He even knew to use his anti-stun skill for the rounds where I wore soul of stunning. I should mention that in these duels genies were forbidden, cause yeah I could've broken the chain with my genie; without it though I'm just a sitting duck.
Now, having won, he was of course proud of himself and wanted to try out various combos. I agreed to it because I'm one of those people that believes you can learn best from losing and from failing, and I thought it would help me find holes in that ailment chain sins are capable of.
And I did find holes. Still, despite this the sin was capable of beating me ~50-60% of the time, even though he was literally a one shot kill for me. After his first three wins in a row, he wanted to know my level. I was reluctant to tell him because I was sure it would get his ego all blown up, but I told him anyways. His immediate comment was, "alright cool. I think you should work on your armor and weapon refines. It's alright, but there's room for improvement." A level 79 started giving me tips on my gear (keep in mind I have full TT90 gear, full HP sharded, a Sky Demons pearl; all the typical stuff), and then he said that he was now unbeatable for me because of his combos he'd come up with. Luckily I was able to disprove that latter point in various ways, but still, the fact that a level 79 can consistently win half the matches against a level 98 says something about the class.



The thing about this is though...Sins don't realize how MUCH of an advantage they have over their opponents. They have the element of surprise, the highest DPS in the game, more chi than any other class, more ailments than any other class and they're capable of chaining those ailments to equal more than 17 seconds of the opponent being helpless. My point is: WHAT was I supposed to do in that situation? There was literally no room for me to perform better or to retaliate: my options were either to tank his damage for 17 seconds or to wait for him to **** up. I could tank him for 17 seconds, but sins have high crit rate and sometimes they simply get too many crits in to make it realistic. One thing that worked was to Empowered Vigor + Bubble of Life, but the sin is perfectly capable of just stealthing and waiting for Bubble of Life to die out. Same goes for Psy will or any other buffs other classes use.


Now, compare that to another situation. I recently said I'm not fond of clerics and their sleep. I dunno how many times a cleric has shown up, put me to sleep, cast all their debuffs on me, triple sparked and then one shot me. Again, a situation where I'm absolutely helpless and there's absolutely nothing I can do to resist (when a genie is excluded). NOT ONCE though has a cleric who's done this told me I suck or proceeded to lecture me on how to PVP or how I can improve. The ONLY time I can imagine myself personally lecturing someone on PVP or telling them they suck is if they're oblivious to a way to counter a skill of mine or if, for example, they repeatedly die to Soulburn and have no idea how/why they're dying. If I stun someone though and I'm able to kill them before stun wears off, then that's no reason to lecture someone and say they suck at PVP. That just means I'm currently their counter-class and they need better magic defense/a better genie/better genie skills before they can combat me.



The issue is that sins often seem oblivious to just how much of an upper hand they have. They get arrogant and tell people they suck in situations when there's TRULY NOTHING the opposing player could've done or could've improved on. (other than having hax gear, but hax gear =/= skill) They're LITERALLY shooting fish in a barrel sometimes, and yet many of them seem to think they're pro for doing so.
And I'm lucky. I have plenty of ways to combat a sin. I've often wondered how a wiz combats getting jumped by a sin. I have SoR, SoS, White voodoo, Psy will and Soul of Silence; a wizard has none of these. Sure they can use genie skills, but a sin is perfectly capable of countering with those exact same genie skills. I'm sure there IS a way to counter a sin for wizards, but the fight does seem to be severely in favor of the sin. If a sin kills a wizard without the wiz ever leaving ailment status and then tells the wiz he sucks, then yeah, that's absolutely ridiculous.

Theo - Raging Tide

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

I think I can give a good example of the attitude of sins.


Today a level 79 Sin wanted to duel me. I agreed and...well he beat me. This was one of those sins who actually did the perfect combo and chained all of his ailments together to leave me absolutely helpless. He even knew to use his anti-stun skill for the rounds where I wore soul of stunning. I should mention that in these duels genies were forbidden, cause yeah I could've broken the chain with my genie; without it though I'm just a sitting duck.
Now, having won, he was of course proud of himself and wanted to try out various combos. I agreed to it because I'm one of those people that believes you can learn best from losing and from failing, and I thought it would help me find holes in that ailment chain sins are capable of.
And I did find holes. Still, despite this the sin was capable of beating me ~50-60% of the time, even though he was literally a one shot kill for me. After his first three wins in a row, he wanted to know my level. I was reluctant to tell him because I was sure it would get his ego all blown up, but I told him anyways. His immediate comment was, "alright cool. I think you should work on your armor and weapon refines. It's alright, but there's room for improvement." A level 79 started giving me tips on my gear (keep in mind I have full TT90 gear, full HP sharded, a Sky Demons pearl; all the typical stuff), and then he said that he was now unbeatable for me because of his combos he'd come up with. Luckily I was able to disprove that latter point in various ways, but still, the fact that a level 79 can consistently win half the matches against a level 98 says something about the class.



The thing about this is though...Sins don't realize how MUCH of an advantage they have over their opponents. They have the element of surprise, the highest DPS in the game, more chi than any other class, more ailments than any other class and they're capable of chaining those ailments to equal more than 17 seconds of the opponent being helpless. My point is: WHAT was I supposed to do in that situation? There was literally no room for me to perform better or to retaliate: my options were either to tank his damage for 17 seconds or to wait for him to **** up. I could tank him for 17 seconds, but sins have high crit rate and sometimes they simply get too many crits in to make it realistic. One thing that worked was to Empowered Vigor + Bubble of Life, but the sin is perfectly capable of just stealthing and waiting for Bubble of Life to die out. Same goes for Psy will or any other buffs other classes use.


Now, compare that to another situation. I recently said I'm not fond of clerics and their sleep. I dunno how many times a cleric has shown up, put me to sleep, cast all their debuffs on me, triple sparked and then one shot me. Again, a situation where I'm absolutely helpless and there's absolutely nothing I can do to resist (when a genie is excluded). NOT ONCE though has a cleric who's done this told me I suck or proceeded to lecture me on how to PVP or how I can improve. The ONLY time I can imagine myself personally lecturing someone on PVP or telling them they suck is if they're oblivious to a way to counter a skill of mine or if, for example, they repeatedly die to Soulburn and have no idea how/why they're dying. If I stun someone though and I'm able to kill them before stun wears off, then that's no reason to lecture someone and say they suck at PVP. That just means I'm currently their counter-class and they need better magic defense/a better genie/better genie skills before they can combat me.



The issue is that sins often seem oblivious to just how much of an upper hand they have. They get arrogant and tell people they suck in situations when there's TRULY NOTHING the opposing player could've done or could've improved on. (other than having hax gear, but hax gear =/= skill) They're LITERALLY shooting fish in a barrel sometimes, and yet many of them seem to think they're pro for doing so.
And I'm lucky. I have plenty of ways to combat a sin. I've often wondered how a wiz combats getting jumped by a sin. I have SoR, SoS, White voodoo, Psy will and Soul of Silence; a wizard has none of these. Sure they can use genie skills, but a sin is perfectly capable of countering with those exact same genie skills. I'm sure there IS a way to counter a sin for wizards, but the fight does seem to be severely in favor of the sin. If a sin kills a wizard without the wiz ever leaving ailment status and then tells the wiz he sucks, then yeah, that's absolutely ridiculous.

I agree with a lot of this, but I feel bad for wizards. I have dueled a lot of sins on mine and found that even with the P Deff shared armor + Stone barrier... the fact that a sin can still use a high powered attack (even after double sparking or tripple sparking w/ invis) it makes the Wizard useless in the duel. I did use Fortify to resist stuns, however the success rate we cannot rely on alone. Also IF we managed to stun a sin we will not have much time to kill. Element Sutra works well, if the sin is around the same lvl you will drop the hp down a lot. Than the last shot will only deal 1 damage, then the sin goes invis and you will lose in a few seconds after his/her HP is back over 50% (not using apotho since the cooldown is something that you do not want to see when you know a sin is around you)

However I agree, there must be some way a wizard can at least make the fight even. But I havent found a way yet. and also ive tried other genie skills, Sins can easily count them. so no point

Longknife - Harshlands

Theo - Raging Tide wrote: »

However I agree, there must be some way a wizard can at least make the fight even. But I havent found a way yet. and also ive tried other genie skills, Sins can easily count them. so no point

I know another sin who only attacks when the odds are incredibly in his favor.

This typically means that he's near the safety zone, his target is alone, his target is distracted (either fighting with someone or chatting or noticeably missing a crucial buff or two) and he prefers to be buffed when he attacks. I've fought him plenty of times, and he also has a bad habit of running THE MOMENT I get Psy Will on or even THE MOMENT he fails to kill me with his first hit + Bramble Rage. What's worse, should I manage to kill him, he suddenly loses interest in me and picks an easier target to stalk. (yes, stalk. He'll stalk a player for HOURS, until they leave, he has to leave or the target manages to kill him)



And yes, this sin does plenty of telling people they suck and plenty of bragging about himself.
But let's get real here. He wants all those ridiculous odds, he opens with Head hunter or some other hard hitting move AND follows it up with Bramble Rage.
Also worth mentioning is that when he runs away, he uses his stun immunity skill. This means you can't freeze him at all and you literally have to one hit him (twice, cause of that buff) before he makes it back to the SZ, which he ALWAYS hugs and stays close to.


How is any player supposed to improve in that situation? You can't. You can only wait, provide him with his ridiculous odds, tank his attack and then deal damage like mad before he makes it four feet over to the SZ. And if you don't, "you suck."

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

Theo - Raging Tide wrote: »

tbh I really Hate Sins, usually the player behind the character is really an "****". And to be honest I do see a lot of cleric who think they are the best. I know my limits and what I can so, personally untill Sins came out I would see Barbs with the "Oh, I am God. I have too much HP & a Charm so u cant do anything 1v1" attitude. But really, I normally would do decent damage to a sin. I never thought I would see lvl 10 tempest deal 1 damage though, it made me laugh so hard I cried. People use to complain about Venos + Nix, but really the flaw was too easy, sleep and veno or run up a hill. But really now? a person that can chain stun worse than a BM, make themselves immune to YOUR stuns, go invis and even be lower than you and you cant see them, 1 hit you or sit there and in 2 seconds they have more chi than you. Seriously if I wanted to be put in a one sided battle I would just try to solo AE in 2-3. At least I will not see "Deals 1 damage" b:angry

Ever had a Demon sparked Tempest with Extreme Poison and Frenzy up crit for 1? It sucked hardcore.

I hate sins the most, they have this attitude that they're the absolute best thing in the game and take advantage of stealth sparking more than they should. Overpowered, overprivelaged, and annoying as hell. And seriously... dodging magic damage? -.-

Yulk - Heavens Tear

This thread deserves a lock...

Seriously, one thing I do hate is a player with a **** genie thinking they own... and max interval and instant cast morons too... OP things are bleh... Seriously and attack level and defense levels.


Those things are making the game too easy. While players that don't have it and does depend on it really can't play their class too well, its rather sad really. Seriously, what I do hate is the damn genies (except discipline) . Making chars OP as hell

Yulk - Heavens Tear

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This thread deserves a lock...

Seriously, one thing I do hate is a player with a **** genie thinking they own... and max interval and instant cast morons too... OP things are bleh... Seriously and attack level and defense levels.


Those things are making the game too easy. While players that don't have it and does depend on it really can't play their class too well, its rather sad really. Seriously, what I do hate is the damn genies (except discipline) . Making chars OP as hell

Oh for the record... People with OP genie skills, blessings and other OP **** are rude and deluded set of people. They tend to be the biggest jerks ingame

_Ghostz_ - Archosaur

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Oh for the record... People with OP genie skills, blessings and other OP **** are rude and deluded set of people. They tend to be the biggest jerks ingame

Nice Stereotype

next im going to hear you say "All black people used to be slaves" and "All mexicans tend to be illegal"

Archers_Soul - Lost City

I have to go with yulk on this one. Next to the shattering and the rise of the new gears>skill era of pwi, genies have royaly pissed me off. Everyone had some bad **** genie skill set while I waste much time, money and spirit trying to get a decent genie skill set. So while I while I was using only one decent skill from my genie (occult ice) all these genie douchebags were running around with genies as useful in pvp as having a squad with them.

Noskrad - Heavens Tear

lol, I didn't voted cuz I don't hate any class anyway, but it's fun how ppl say **** about those class they can't kill easily, and say that developers ruined the game just by giving them a certain skill. We assassins, for example, why do we have that awesome evasion? cuz we are melee class and can be killed with 2-3 hits!, so stop complaining about our evasion lol. Why archers always fight from a distance? damm cuz thei're ranged class XD, don't complain on it!, now just missing ppl complaining about why a barb have so much HP or why some mobs are agro and stand together lol.

P.D.: Of course I'm not talking about everyone.

Archers_Soul - Lost City

Noskrad - Heavens Tear wrote: »

lol, I didn't voted cuz I don't hate any class anyway, but it's fun how ppl say **** about those class they can't kill easily, and say that developers ruined the game just by giving them a certain skill. We assassins, for example, why do we have that awesome evasion? cuz we are melee class and can be killed with 2-3 hits!, so stop complaining about our evasion lol. Why archers always fight from a distance? damm cuz thei're ranged class XD, don't complain on it!, now just missing ppl complaining about why a barb have so much HP or why some mobs are agro and stand together lol.

P.D.: Of course I'm not talking about everyone.

Assassins can evade magic (only class that can), turn invisable, teleport, chain stun, 1 shot you, die and come back to life (like wtf?), run stupid fast, one shot you, two shot you... And 1 shot you... You can't compare assassins to any other class because that class is the perfect class. All it needs is decent hp and defence and its the strongest thing since GMs.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Noskrad - Heavens Tear wrote: »

lol, I didn't voted cuz I don't hate any class anyway, but it's fun how ppl say **** about those class they can't kill easily, and say that developers ruined the game just by giving them a certain skill. We assassins, for example, why do we have that awesome evasion? cuz we are melee class and can be killed with 2-3 hits!, so stop complaining about our evasion lol. Why archers always fight from a distance? damm cuz thei're ranged class XD, don't complain on it!, now just missing ppl complaining about why a barb have so much HP or why some mobs are agro and stand together lol.

P.D.: Of course I'm not talking about everyone.

What will you say when sins will be nerfed? And they will. Sooner or later. MUCH, MUCH batter is game without game. I can see it on private server. Much more fun and balanced game.

Longknife - Harshlands

Yeah, definitely casting my vote for cleric.

Just spent the day PKing against this one guild.... They constantly had their red names attacking with white named clerics standing nearby. The moment you go pink name or anything (either from attacking or defending yourself against the red named attackers), the white name clerics would jump in and sleep you.

Most annoying, frustrating sh*t in the world. Like I said: BM + Barb 2v1 is doable. Wiz + Archer is doable. Veno + Sin 2v1 is doable. But cleric + anything 2v1 is impossible. They'll sleep you the moment things get tough for themselves or their teammate, not to mention the heals they provide.

Centaura - Dreamweaver

Wow So Much Hate on Assassins, You know were not all bad some of us (if very Few of us) know how to play our Class and are respectful to others.b:surrender

TheTroll - Lost City

Centaura - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Wow So Much Hate on Assassins, You know were not all bad some of us (if very Few of us) know how to play our Class and are respectful to others.b:surrender

No all assassassins are fail douchebags

Legend - Raging Tide

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide wrote: »

While a sin can just go : " Oh hey , let's demon spark , get chi again so I can demon spark + stun/seal/sleep/paralize lock & try to kill ! Oh **** I failed but it's cool I can try again in a bit . Oh damn it , failed again but np , I got chi yet again ! ZOMG another fail but wait why am I worried? I can get all my chi back again , I GOT DIS ! "

</3 why is everyone so mad at azns?

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear

Legend - Raging Tide wrote: »

</3 why is everyone so mad at azns?

People are mad at Asians?b:chuckle