3x xp

LifeHunting - Heavens Tear

2x for 2 weeks, with a 3x weekend....>.>


I sense PWE just wants somebody to get lvl 105 so they can go "Booyah! Our first REAL IN-GAME GM" or something like that <.<.......

Reshanta - Sanctuary

Arshies - Sanctuary wrote: »

Is a challenge if you are NOT a gold customer and you gain stuff via in-game working hard.
Im playing since a lot and Im not lv100 till because I learned and Im learning how to play this game and do instances, no just level up! and FYI the cap level now is 105 then is a challenge hit into lv105
Also this 3x exp weekend help the people that cant afford Hyper stones be more balance leveling just farming

And without MP charms and HP charms.

Daggster - Lost City

ijs the more people hit lvl100+ the more the devs are pushed to imply new instances and events and and and ... so i wouldnt say that all the doulb eexp is bad for the already high lvl players too

LifeHunting - Heavens Tear

the more people that hit lvl 100 w/o much end-game content = more people who are bored and possibly rage quit/bored quit.

ArchAngel - Dreamweaver

like i said previously, it is obvious they are trying to ramp up our levels in preparation for future high level content updates. And it's not too little too late. People can do wonders in just 2 daysb:chuckle

NightRage - Raging Tide

Esuna - Raging Tide wrote: »

I loled. Do the people in charge realize these dailies don't get affected by EXP modifiers?

Derrr.

No.

People that work for the company are stupid. They prove themselves always.

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

You'll be complaining when your barb asks you "what's flesh ream?".

And you don't think it might be at all beneficial to take, say, 1 evening a week and head over to the FB39 dungeon, maybe accompany a squad and give pointers to the barb? or the cleric? or the $CLASS? You don't think that maybe spreading a bit of knowledge might make for a smarter next generation of players, ones that you might find acceptable squadmates in the future?

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

I'm posting not in hopes of people to just sit idle and not take advantage of 3x exp, because that's a retardedly naive.

I'm posting in hopes of having my opinion heard by PWI, who might think more than just once when they decide to reintroduce any other accelerated drops or exp. I realize it's more than likely to be in vain, but hey, I can voice my opinion, just like you.

And I submit that railing about people that don't know how to play their class will probably get you exactly nowhere. So, you can continue to complain on the forum, or you can try to do something about it. Your choice.

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

But do remember, we're not accountable for your own failure at your own class. It's your responsibility to learn your class. It's your character, and therefore your obligation to play it to the ability you desire. Any shortfall of your goals is of your own accord, and your own inexperience.

I play my char just fine for myself. I'll probably make it into the 90's mostly soloing, just as I have so far. I'm actually NOT racing to 100, and I have a tendency to funnel my XP into genies anyway. But I am far from the norm.

What I do notice is the tendency for higher levels to come to this forum and whine about how new players don't meet their standards of play. I'm simply suggesting that there IS something you can try to do about it.

Traz - Dreamweaver

How is this drastically effecting anything? Nothing stacks with this so it's pointless to really even get upset at it.

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

yep, nobody (almost) is complaing that lvling is faster.
we whine about its results.


and the real prob is that those 100lvl 'newbies' dont want to learn.


FiDollaYou, veterans try to take newbs 'under wings', but they refuse.

Look at that guide, in my sig - it should be very popular nowadays , right? b:chuckle
But since October it got 5k views b:surrender
While some random topics from general discusion get 3k in 3 days lol

I dunno- maybe this guide is just bad, but there is nothing better and no discusion about stuff like that.

At clerics forums there is no discusion either, beside random newb pop up with topic named 'sage vs demon' or 'p.def or hp shards?'
yuck


people have no ambition to not suck anymore, and their main goal is to reach high level and quit

First, you assume that everyone reads the forum. That's far from reality. On another MMO, I read that something like 2-3% of active players actually logged on to the forum for that game. Even if you figure that twice that many read the forum as guest, that's still less than 10% of the active players actually reading the forum. The vast majority of the players of this and other MMOs don't know or care that the forums exist. They want to learn how to play the game _in the game_, not reading about it here. That doesn't mean they don't want to be better players, it just means that they aren't aware of this particular avenue.

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

How does that have anything to do with what I said?

My point is that people need to learn for themselves rather than expect a higher level to "teach them"



Hell I think high levels doing things for lower levels creates mroe fails than oracles and BH and hypers, etc. When your FB's and bosses consist of you sitting there while some level 80 solos it, you won't learn anything.

Wasn't suggesting tag-along FBs/BHs. Far from it. Was suggesting more like an apprentice arrangement than anything else. But you don't seem to be interested...

Coraline - Lost City

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wasn't suggesting tag-along FBs/BHs. Far from it. Was suggesting more like an apprentice arrangement than anything else. But you don't seem to be interested...

It would be nice but half of the people out there, are impatient and selfish, if you help out, you hardly get a thank you and then you get the f/r and constant pms to do kill quests for them. And also the other players are alts of higher levels that don't need any advice.

When I started, I had friends who played and we found out things together, and then we joined a guild who highest level was 50 and we were like omg a lvl 50...anyway the guild helped us and taught us what to do for HH and etc. I think with the BH, most people just join with randoms and they solo quest everything. It's rare imo to find people to slow down and make friends in game at lower levels and just explore...they probably just figure "Oh, ill just wait till I'm 100 and settle down/learn everything then." One person in my current guild, lvl 100 didn't even know what Dragon Palace was...I mean, I guess since they don't announce it anymore people don't really hear about it, but still...idk. Most players are in too much of a rush to level than try to learn the game and just have fun.

WnbTank - Archosaur

Meh, was gonna log on to farm herbs in hell but god, 3x xp, maybe it`s time for me to lvl my alt BM to 60 and leave purified oil farming for coming sin alt =p. I dun really mind whole 2x or 3x xp events, the current 9x ppl still contain quite a lot of fail, here in Archosaur. I literally can`t do instances w/o my trusted cleric, at least while I`m charmed after some TW/etc, charm bur is just not freaking serious. Also, I guess I need to QQ before every instance that DDs wont freaking attack before I have landed FR on the mob for the first time, `cause when they take aggro that way, dear good they QQ about how I fail and everything is my fault. It`s not like keeping aggro is hard in the first place with all those lunar weps running around.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Coraline - Lost City wrote: »

When I started, I had friends who played and we found out things together, and then we joined a guild who highest level was 50 and we were like omg a lvl 50...anyway the guild helped us and taught us what to do for HH and etc. I think with the BH, most people just join with randoms and they solo quest everything. It's rare imo to find people to slow down and make friends in game at lower levels and just explore...they probably just figure "Oh, ill just wait till I'm 100 and settle down/learn everything then." One person in my current guild, lvl 100 didn't even know what Dragon Palace was...I mean, I guess since they don't announce it anymore people don't really hear about it, but still...idk. Most players are in too much of a rush to level than try to learn the game and just have fun.

It's hard to make friends at lower levels when others don't want to do that either. The reason: they aren't useful. b:bye

Telarith - Sanctuary

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary wrote: »

And you don't think it might be at all beneficial to take, say, 1 evening a week and head over to the FB39 dungeon, maybe accompany a squad and give pointers to the barb? or the cleric? or the $CLASS? You don't think that maybe spreading a bit of knowledge might make for a smarter next generation of players, ones that you might find acceptable squadmates in the future?



And I submit that railing about people that don't know how to play their class will probably get you exactly nowhere. So, you can continue to complain on the forum, or you can try to do something about it. Your choice.



I play my char just fine for myself. I'll probably make it into the 90's mostly soloing, just as I have so far. I'm actually NOT racing to 100, and I have a tendency to funnel my XP into genies anyway. But I am far from the norm.

What I do notice is the tendency for higher levels to come to this forum and whine about how new players don't meet their standards of play. I'm simply suggesting that there IS something you can try to do about it.

If you had read back through past posts dating back to 2008 even, you'll see a theme that has increasingly become worse. You can't teach someone who won't listen. People believe nowadays running a BH over and over, and maybe doing FCC is enough to be fully qualified in their class. Even more, you can read on the forums alone people whinging about others telling them how to play their class. It's not even about who is right, they don't want to be told how to play. And then if they are excluded for bad playing, they whinge about not being able to get groups.

The best that can be reasonably done is to work within your faction, maybe sponsor some lower levels and teach them how to play, but only if they are interested in learning. Randoms are people you don't know, and as has happened increasingly, become beligerent even if you are nice and explaining something to them. It doesn't take too many instances like that where you just lose interest in trying with them, as even ones who do get helped are often unappreciative as well.

So best bet is to help people in faction, and build the skill in your faction up. After a while, can improve the reputation of your faction when they play professionally in instances, and have randoms more likely to listen.

But again, that's an awful lot of work to help people who are shortcutting things anyways. Let the lil **** actually try working for something instead, they might learn to appreciate it more.

Arshies - Sanctuary

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary wrote: »

And you don't think it might be at all beneficial to take, say, 1 evening a week and head over to the FB39 dungeon, maybe accompany a squad and give pointers to the barb? or the cleric? or the $CLASS? You don't think that maybe spreading a bit of knowledge might make for a smarter next generation of players, ones that you might find acceptable squadmates in the future?
And I submit that railing about people that don't know how to play their class will probably get you exactly nowhere. So, you can continue to complain on the forum, or you can try to do something about it. Your choice.

A barb who dosnt know READ the in-game skills descriptions is not the kind of player who wants to learn to play this game. Every high level cant waste all his day/time explainning so simple things to others class like READ his skills description, where you dont need to go at guides to learn. You dont need to be soo smart to do so. A high level barb who dosnt know how work his skill, has not already learned they or has lv1-2 skills. This is the lack of high levels people are we talking about.

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary wrote: »

I play my char just fine for myself. I'll probably make it into the 90's mostly soloing, just as I have so far. I'm actually NOT racing to 100, and I have a tendency to funnel my XP into genies anyway. But I am far from the norm.

Here is when you proof that you are just soloing game and sometimes getting squad for stuff like bh's or fb's where you cant soloing. This proof you are not learning to play by yourself and you are not learning TEAM WORK. Those huge factions with veterans willing to recruit high level people is not for a coincidence is because things like TW are TEAM WORK AND COMUNICATION TO FIGHT TOGETHER AND WIN. No just play fine for myself because im able to lure mobs or complete low level instances.

This works for all classes, dungeons are TEAM WORK, as lv90+/100+ if you dont know how to play you will make all of us FAIL. A bh39 has not mystery, but a dungeon that take you like 4 hours to complete it, is really frustrating find that noob people making you waste your time to fail and after blame agasint others because those one dont want to learn and dont want to listen!! And I can sweard it after some lame squads with high level noobs who think the are pro because has charged coins and get the best in-game gold-buyers stuff. Where again i repeat to you, you will understand once you reached into lv95+ and need to do instances with TEAM WORK and be comprensive with tohers classes.

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary wrote: »

What I do notice is the tendency for higher levels to come to this forum and whine about how new players don't meet their standards of play. I'm simply suggesting that there IS something you can try to do about it.

High level people *veterans* come at forum to make guides and help others, to share his knowledge, to explain how things work better or dont work. This is where they are helping.

My suggestion is: Are you able to learn what we are trying to explain?
Are you able to read your skills descriptions to know how they work? Are you able to be comprensive with others classes when you are running an instance? Are you able to listen when we are telling you what to do and when becuse that works?

Maybe you are, but this is like always, has too many kids there not able to do so, and thats why mostly of high levels people is bored to trying to teach others with no result.

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary wrote: »

First, you assume that everyone reads the forum. That's far from reality. On another MMO, I read that something like 2-3% of active players actually logged on to the forum for that game. Even if you figure that twice that many read the forum as guest, that's still less than 10% of the active players actually reading the forum. The vast majority of the players of this and other MMOs don't know or care that the forums exist. They want to learn how to play the game _in the game_, not reading about it here. That doesn't mean they don't want to be better players, it just means that they aren't aware of this particular avenue.

Again this proof you are not learning nothing, if you cant find help in-game the best/faster way to do it is searching for guides/database/calculator/other webs.

If you are not trying to find it but you are rageing against the high levels for dont explain it to you, this is just lazyness!! Not high levels fault.

Scrolling up this thread you can find more x+ people telling you the same kind of things:

Learn by yourself is the only way!! Yes, you need to go there do it , failed it and think why did you failed, how you can solve it, and go back there to do a sucessfull run! Then, just then is when you will learn it!

_Pale - Sanctuary

Anticipating shortcomings of others are a part of playing together.
Figuring out how to work around problems, makes you a better player.
Sometimes you need to tell people how not to **** up, when it starts to get you dead or increases the risk of this happening. This also means telling people the limits of your capabilities or build or armor etc. .... So they can anticipate what to do, and choose the best strategy to do a run.

Also, if everyone knows what to do and we are all doing the same thing, then please... keep the suggestions to yourself (edit: replaced censored actual text)

People keep yapping too often, because they think they are too awesome to be a team member. They all need to be the team leader, even if they are not looking after the team at all.

So basically, play together without nagging too much and if you know a better way to do things, then good for you...Make your suggestions if it really makes a big difference to you or if others have no clue what to do, otherwise just roll with it.

As far as 3x ep goes: great... But it's not gonna make me play more, or less for that matter. IF there is something new or exciting to do, and I can mobilize a team to do it and succeed... sure, then I'll spend more time playing.

Reshanta - Sanctuary

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

How is this drastically effecting anything? Nothing stacks with this so it's pointless to really even get upset at it.

Maybe PWI assumes the majority of the player base still does traditional grinding. I'm enjoying it. I don't do BHs.

teethewicked

While I see the point some people are making on why this is bad, I personally find it to be helpful, at least in my case. Perhaps a lot of people who play this do not realize it, but there are people who actually have a life outside of the internet. I play PWI about 3-6 hours, once every few days, that is all I have time for, that is all I need. I'm not an introvert who spends most of their hours awake online playing games. Also, I have bills to pay, and I can only afford $10-$20 a month on cash shop, if even that. Because I have other things that usually are more important, to spend it on. Therefore, I suppose you could call me a casual gamer, and I doubt I am the only one. And an issue I have with many MMOs, is the fact that, it isn't made to be appealing to casual gamers; unless you spend hours upon hours at a time for days at a time, you aren't going to make very much progress, and the game will most likely become boring and redundant very quickly. This is why the extra exp is nice; some people don't want/cannot afford to waste money on hypers, and for casual gamers, it isn't so simple as "farm coins and buy the gold/hypers yourself" Not to mention, doing all of these "Kill ## of certain monsters, get ## of a drop from certain monsters" can become quickly unbearable to some, especially when it involves aggro mage/range enemies that enjoy running into each other constantly.

My point is simply, before you complain about the extra exp, remember, not everyone sits at a computer all day every day playing a game, and not everyone is a CSer, and the extra exp is a nice refresher to keep the game from becoming redundant to those who don't.

teletech1

My question is, it says 3x EXP but doesnt mention spirit, does the event include spirit?




P.S. to all of you who aree complaining that this game isn't a challenge. If you are so bored why do you still play it.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary wrote: »

First, you assume that everyone reads the forum. That's far from reality. On another MMO, I read that something like 2-3% of active players actually logged on to the forum for that game. Even if you figure that twice that many read the forum as guest, that's still less than 10% of the active players actually reading the forum. The vast majority of the players of this and other MMOs don't know or care that the forums exist. They want to learn how to play the game _in the game_, not reading about it here. That doesn't mean they don't want to be better players, it just means that they aren't aware of this particular avenue.

you didnt get me. Im talking about proportion and newbs attitude

Let even 1% of pwi population read forums


Im just wondering why 99% of those 1%, choose to read some random topic about color of mounts or another rant about sins, but not guides


Same happens in game- people play 'point-click-kill' game, they even dont try to use their skills beside those designed to pew-pew...
No crowd control, no survivality, no team play - for the lose of their teams and themsleves

(i cant figure out how ppl can manage to die in bh100 in so mindless ways - they just stand and wait for death there

and when u talk to them, they dont listen or go into 'emothish' mood, because u boss them around b:embarrass


game is filled with 13 yrs old emo-girls nowadays

Michael_Dark - Lost City

I really haven't commented in this thread because I honestly don't care about 3x exp. It'll help the nubs level up and if they want to speed level and end up being 100 with **** gear, so be it. Let them have their levels.... it's the culmination of time spent playing your character and farming your gear that makes you a good or not so good player, the arbitrary number next to your name means nothing.

azurluen

I can't even use this. Vacations on parents house means I can't sit and just play. Just loging to get my PW Teacher's quest Ring...


EDIT~

Why does the forum cuts my posts so often? >_<

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

I really haven't commented in this thread because I honestly don't care about 3x exp. It'll help the nubs level up and if they want to speed level and end up being 100 with **** gear, so be it. Let them have their levels.... it's the culmination of time spent playing your character and farming your gear that makes you a good or not so good player, the arbitrary number next to your name means nothing.

I don't think this has that big effect. If you get x14 EXP from frost, why is it different from x12? This would benefit people who grind, but not that many do it anymore. I'd do it for money, but I find merchanting a better idea: currently making enough money to be able to buy FCC gold weapon in two days or so.

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

you didnt get me. Im talking about proportion and newbs attitude

Let even 1% of pwi population read forums


Im just wondering why 99% of those 1%, choose to read some random topic about color of mounts or another rant about sins, but not guides


Same happens in game- people play 'point-click-kill' game, they even dont try to use their skills beside those designed to pew-pew...
No crowd control, no survivality, no team play - for the lose of their teams and themsleves

(i cant figure out how ppl can manage to die in bh100 in so mindless ways - they just stand and wait for death there

and when u talk to them, they dont listen or go into 'emothish' mood, because u boss them around b:embarrass


game is filled with 13 yrs old emo-girls nowadays

First of all, I did just read your guide. Very nice, and looks like a lot of work went into it. Probably should be stickied, but since it's not... Reason I never saw it is that I generally don't read siggies (almost never anything in `em I care to see, and the few exceptions - like yours - are far outweighed by the cruft most of them contain). I didn't really learn much from it, but then I'm not normal or average. I would recommend that anyone not familiar with how agro works read it.

But that still doesn't change the fact that very few people are even going to THINK of coming to the forum here for help. So, if you want to help a larger audience, it's gotta be something that you do in the game itself. All of the guides, helpful postings, answered forum questions, etc. aren't going to make a bit of difference if your intended audience isn't accessible.

You can argue that all newbs SHOULD come to the forum, but the fact remains that most won't.

Asperitas - Lost City

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary wrote: »

First of all, I did just read your guide. Very nice, and looks like a lot of work went into it. Probably should be stickied, but since it's not... Reason I never saw it is that I generally don't read siggies (almost never anything in `em I care to see, and the few exceptions - like yours - are far outweighed by the cruft most of them contain). I didn't really learn much from it, but then I'm not normal or average. I would recommend that anyone not familiar with how agro works read it.

But that still doesn't change the fact that very few people are even going to THINK of coming to the forum here for help. So, if you want to help a larger audience, it's gotta be something that you do in the game itself. All of the guides, helpful postings, answered forum questions, etc. aren't going to make a bit of difference if your intended audience isn't accessible.

You can argue that all newbs SHOULD come to the forum, but the fact remains that most won't.

Funny thing is, if people indeed wanted to get better, you'd think they'd take more initiative. The mere fact that they spend more time scrounging for cheap hypers than looking for decent guides on how to play their class is a testament to their love for ignorance. It's not us who don't want to help. It's they, who don't care to be helped.

There's only so many times I can repeat my sermon on aggro and dps before my voice grows hoarse and my fingers are ground to nibs.

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary

Arshies - Sanctuary wrote: »

A barb who dosnt know READ the in-game skills descriptions is not the kind of player who wants to learn to play this game. Every high level cant waste all his day/time explainning so simple things to others class like READ his skills description, where you dont need to go at guides to learn. You dont need to be soo smart to do so. A high level barb who dosnt know how work his skill, has not already learned they or has lv1-2 skills. This is the lack of high levels people are we talking about.



Here is when you proof that you are just soloing game and sometimes getting squad for stuff like bh's or fb's where you cant soloing. This proof you are not learning to play by yourself and you are not learning TEAM WORK. Those huge factions with veterans willing to recruit high level people is not for a coincidence is because things like TW are TEAM WORK AND COMUNICATION TO FIGHT TOGETHER AND WIN. No just play fine for myself because im able to lure mobs or complete low level instances.

This works for all classes, dungeons are TEAM WORK, as lv90+/100+ if you dont know how to play you will make all of us FAIL. A bh39 has not mystery, but a dungeon that take you like 4 hours to complete it, is really frustrating find that noob people making you waste your time to fail and after blame agasint others because those one dont want to learn and dont want to listen!! And I can sweard it after some lame squads with high level noobs who think the are pro because has charged coins and get the best in-game gold-buyers stuff. Where again i repeat to you, you will understand once you reached into lv95+ and need to do instances with TEAM WORK and be comprensive with tohers classes.



High level people *veterans* come at forum to make guides and help others, to share his knowledge, to explain how things work better or dont work. This is where they are helping.

My suggestion is: Are you able to learn what we are trying to explain?
Are you able to read your skills descriptions to know how they work? Are you able to be comprensive with others classes when you are running an instance? Are you able to listen when we are telling you what to do and when becuse that works?

Maybe you are, but this is like always, has too many kids there not able to do so, and thats why mostly of high levels people is bored to trying to teach others with no result.



Again this proof you are not learning nothing, if you cant find help in-game the best/faster way to do it is searching for guides/database/calculator/other webs.

If you are not trying to find it but you are rageing against the high levels for dont explain it to you, this is just lazyness!! Not high levels fault.

Scrolling up this thread you can find more x+ people telling you the same kind of things:

Learn by yourself is the only way!! Yes, you need to go there do it , failed it and think why did you failed, how you can solve it, and go back there to do a sucessfull run! Then, just then is when you will learn it!

Not sure when and why this turned into a "me against the veterans" thread, but if I did that I'm sorry. Never intended to do so, and I'd rather we put that to rest right now.

First, a little about me. I did the min-max thing, and was a raid leader for a while in a cutting-edge content raid guild in a P2P MMO I used to play. When it turned into a life-sucking second job, I stopped, quit the game, and found other things to do with my time. Started playing PWI in Nov 2008, and played it on and off since. It's a hobby, and a fun way to kill a couple hours here and there. Nothing more, and nothing less. Same reason I come to the forum - to read posts, maybe post a bit, and generally pass the time while I'm at work and need to clear my head.

I play the game in a style that suits me. Yes that means soloing most of the time, but I don't have a problem with that. It's actually one of the reasons I chose the Veno class. My play time and schedule aren't real conducive to squadding a significant fraction of the time, so I do what works for me.

However, there are others out there, lowbies and newbs, who sort of get shoehorned into soloing not by choice, but by necessity. They'd LIKE to learn, and they'd LIKE to play their classes effectively, and they'd LIKE to get a taste of teamwork, but they rarely get the opportunity because most people ARE in a race to the top.

If you really want this game to be successful and stick around for a while, then these are the players that I suggest you cultivate. Groom if you will.

Otherwise, as you lose members of your end-game TW guild ("Recruiting 90+ for TW/FC/etc.") due to attrition (people quit the game, move to alts, etc), you will, by default, be stuck with the very "don't know their class" rush to the top players you complain about.

Take the advice under consideration. or don't. It doesn't make a lot of difference to me either way.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

I don't think this has that big effect. If you get x14 EXP from frost, why is it different from x12? This would benefit people who grind, but not that many do it anymore. I'd do it for money, but I find merchanting a better idea: currently making enough money to be able to buy FCC gold weapon in two days or so.

Because without 3x, you can get from 1-30 in two or three days of casual playing. This makes it much easier.... leveling to 40 or 50 in a matter of a couple days becomes pretty easy. The faster you level, the less coin you'll have, the harder it will be for you to buy/find gear... you have to be 75+ to frost. Once you get into that level range, 2-3x exp doesn't really matter.

Ranfa - Dreamweaver

teethewicked wrote: »

While I see the point some people are making on why this is bad, I personally find it to be helpful, at least in my case. Perhaps a lot of people who play this do not realize it, but there are people who actually have a life outside of the internet. I play PWI about 3-6 hours, once every few days, that is all I have time for, that is all I need. I'm not an introvert who spends most of their hours awake online playing games. Also, I have bills to pay, and I can only afford $10-$20 a month on cash shop, if even that. Because I have other things that usually are more important, to spend it on. Therefore, I suppose you could call me a casual gamer, and I doubt I am the only one. And an issue I have with many MMOs, is the fact that, it isn't made to be appealing to casual gamers; unless you spend hours upon hours at a time for days at a time, you aren't going to make very much progress, and the game will most likely become boring and redundant very quickly. This is why the extra exp is nice; some people don't want/cannot afford to waste money on hypers, and for casual gamers, it isn't so simple as "farm coins and buy the gold/hypers yourself" Not to mention, doing all of these "Kill ## of certain monsters, get ## of a drop from certain monsters" can become quickly unbearable to some, especially when it involves aggro mage/range enemies that enjoy running into each other constantly.

My point is simply, before you complain about the extra exp, remember, not everyone sits at a computer all day every day playing a game, and not everyone is a CSer, and the extra exp is a nice refresher to keep the game from becoming redundant to those who don't.

The fact that you feel that you are leveling too slowly even though this is just a game and you barely have time to play it is indication of the problem with fast leveling. Lower levels have become increasingly uncommon. Just look at BH29, NOBODY does it anymore. If you can find a full squad without any high levels, it's a bloody miracle.

Even the quests that you described used to be fun because people used to rely on those quests that nobody ever touches these days for levels. Fields were crowded with players of the same level who were not only having fun killing monsters, but squadding with others of same goal and meeting new people. Nowadays all you see are mobs waiting forever to be slain, or a newbie having a high level do their quests for them. Even though this was painfully slow, it was still a lot of fun and nobody felt the pressure to gain 10 levels in a day or do FC at every waking moment. IT WAS OKAY TO BE SLOW.

Now people are feeling the pressure to level as fast as possible and not allow time to improve their gear because it's no longer okay to stay in 60's for more than a week. Some say "play at your own pace" but can you honestly play at your "own pace" when everyone else around you is leveling 3x as fast? That Barb that you squadded with 2 days ago might now be 10 levels above you and you two no longer keep contact with each other.

Note that many "oldies" are just upset about this because they know this game before it became a racing game for levels. It's just that newer players and older players see this game differently and value different aspects of the game. For example, those people saying "oldies" complaining should quit the game already, they don't mostly because they have many, many good friends that they have met through actually playing the game, and they just really log in to talk to their friends. The game may be boring for them but human interaction was an important aspect of the game and they value it more than newer players who are less familiar with it.

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

Funny thing is, if people indeed wanted to get better, you'd think they'd take more initiative. The mere fact that they spend more time scrounging for cheap hypers than looking for decent guides on how to play their class is a testament to their love for ignorance. It's not us who don't want to help. It's they, who don't care to be helped.

There's only so many times I can repeat my sermon on aggro and dps before my voice grows hoarse and my fingers are ground to nibs.

The point I was trying to make initially is that there ARE people out there who would appreciate the help. I simply noted that, as I leveled and played, I never even saw any attempts by high-levels to do anything BUT tag-along FBs. I didn't see any high-levels even TRY to give advice, or pointers, or tips, or...

The few times I did squad with a veteran, rather than explain why certain things should be done, he simply ordered people around. Rather than trying to teach, he appeared to be interested only in ensuring a hassle-free, very fast, min-maxed BH or TT run.

I understand that these particular players may have been burned out on trying the teaching-mode route, and simply wanted to get the job done. But, and this is important, this attitude combined with all of the "XXX Recruiting 90+ for TW/FC/TT..." WC spam is a large part of the reason that most people WANT to race to the top.

I've said it before, give the lowbies a good reason to stay at lower levels for a while and learn their classes more fully, and they probably will. Keep giving them more of an incentive to race to end-game, and PWI will continue to give them what they want - the means to do so.

Asperitas - Lost City

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary wrote: »

The point I was trying to make initially is that there ARE people out there who would appreciate the help. I simply noted that, as I leveled and played, I never even saw any attempts by high-levels to do anything BUT tag-along FBs. I didn't see any high-levels even TRY to give advice, or pointers, or tips, or...

The few times I did squad with a veteran, rather than explain why certain things should be done, he simply ordered people around. Rather than trying to teach, he appeared to be interested only in ensuring a hassle-free, very fast, min-maxed BH or TT run.

I understand that these particular players may have been burned out on trying the teaching-mode route, and simply wanted to get the job done. But, and this is important, this attitude combined with all of the "XXX Recruiting 90+ for TW/FC/TT..." WC spam is a large part of the reason that most people WANT to race to the top.

I've said it before, give the lowbies a good reason to stay at lower levels for a while and learn their classes more fully, and they probably will. Keep giving them more of an incentive to race to end-game, and PWI will continue to give them what they want - the means to do so.

What I'm about to say is just my take on things, and as such, there's no real tangible evidence.

Before we were indulged in hypers, oracles, 2x exp weeks every other week and all that jazz, players still wanted to hit 9x and 10x. Big factions still recruited the same group of 9x for TW/FC/TT. That hasn't changed, and never will. It's only natural that factions want to hire the best.

However, the catch is this. People couldn't advance very far without learning their class. If you wanted to level fast, you needed to be efficient. You needed to keep yourself alive, and you needed to keep your squad alive. It was that, that compelled, that forced people to learn their class.

Simply put, whether a player wanted to get better or not was irrelevant. The game forced them to be competent or be stuck dying over and over with very limited progress.

However, with the introduction of all the levelling aids, the need to be a competent player has diminished, and they could jump directly to their goals of hitting 9x.

To summarize, before, players needed to be good to hit high levels. Now, they just have to be able to afford hypers - the neverending 2x events, hypers, oracles skip the competency test and jump right to the end results.