we want double drops too!

Promivius - Dreamweaver

Hmm double EXP without drops and grinding out Dragon Order Coins..


Ever try it?

First of I am a collector of sorts so I may want something that is not really needed leveling wise. In my case I grinded out every single coin needed to get a weapons mold called: "Mold: Fine Pataka of Bodhi" (costs 10 Silver Dragon Order Coins + 50 Copper Dragon Order Coins).

Anyway on any good weekday I would be able to fly 2-3 DQ runs (L41) on my cleric without to much trouble. Finishing those L41 quest granted me a change of 8% of getting a Silver Dragon Order Coin.
You know which DQ items are needed and in the quantities so I won't go into details about those. To grind out those items I use a L40-ish character to optimize drop rates as too high a level the less likely to get desired drops.

If I level too fast on that level 40-ish character I am forced to utilize more genies to dump EXP in during event like this to stay around that L40-ish level and more frequent.

So double EXP without drops means more time wasted trying to stay at a level at any given time for optimal grind-time/drops ratio's.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

b:cute

Also, people need to get back into the game again instead of having things handed to them. Hell, I know 9x that have 7x gear because they are "waiting for the next double drops." The sad thing is, like Michael mentioned, had they run one HH a day starting around level 83 or so...they would have had their 9x gear and would have had more of an opportunity in 2x drops to farm for refines, shards, etc....b:surrender

Exactly. At about 82, when I joined Ominous, I started joining in on profit runs. Instead of selling the mats, I kept them. I was happy if I got 1 mat I needed for my gear per run. Full 90 set = 40 mats. 20 of them were relatively expensive or difficult to farm at that level. 5 GBA and 5 Dust of Stars for your 90 top. 5 Forshura's Arms for your wrists. 5 Antenna for your pants. The rest were all pretty easy. So over the course of my leveling, I had a full set of 90 and using mats I didn't need from those profit runs I sharded with immaculates and refined. Witihout spending any real money and earning coin while I did it as well. All my expenses were paid. I could port to each of my WQ destinations, pay for my Crazy Stones and had money to buy fashion, charms and whatever else I needed and was rarely strapped for coin.

Yindra - Sanctuary wrote: »

Speak for yourself. I found the 2x extremely useful, simply because it's "2x drops", not "2x healing power". I can't farm "HH", with or without 2x. Experience sucks. Drops suck. 2x still sucks, but not as much.

And even if I *could* farm "TT" I would still love 2x. I don't even WANT to be a trademutant anymore. I love low prices, and seriously don't care what people like you think about "the economy". Go play a trading game if that's what you want.

2x is partly what is responsible for turning this into a game where you are required to merchant.

You're just coming into the level range where you can start farming HH. Unfortunately for you, you won't make any money at it.

Speak for myself? You're 7x and you've been playing this for a couple months now? I've been here for over a year and a half. b:bye

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

^ The "New Generation" of players thinking b:sweat

Yep.

Arshies - Sanctuary

Omg!! b:sad

I really missed 2x drop for simple reason, more cheapest TT mats..... Q_Q

Im up for 2x drop, maybe GM's can add it during the weekend or a few hours, is not our fault the PW-china problems/issues...

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Arshies - Sanctuary wrote: »

Omg!! b:sad

I really missed 2x drop for simple reason, more cheapest TT mats..... Q_Q

Im up for 2x drop, maybe GM's can add it during the weekend or a few hours, is not our fault the PW-china problems/issues...

You're a 99 veno... you buy your mats? b:shocked

Just.... wow.

RedsRose - Lost City

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

You're a 99 veno... you buy your mats? b:shocked

Just.... wow.

ROFL...I was not going to say anything b:surrenderb:chuckle

Michael_Dark - Lost City

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

ROFL...I was not going to say anything b:surrenderb:chuckle

A level 99 veno on a PvE server.... buying mats. lol

*is flabergasted*

Lylfo - Dreamweaver

im a cleric who buys mat too lol. when tt mats are more expensive, it was worth it to farm them and stuff, but after the 2x drop events, buying them would be better as i can spend more time farming the more profitable mats as opposed to farming just what i want.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

^ The "New Generation" of players thinking b:sweat

Yet he doesn't use BHs to level or anything, playing pretty much solo. So while he might be a bit like the new gen, he's not quite that.

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Exactly. At about 82, when I joined Ominous, I started joining in on profit runs. Instead of selling the mats, I kept them. I was happy if I got 1 mat I needed for my gear per run. Full 90 set = 40 mats. 20 of them were relatively expensive or difficult to farm at that level. 5 GBA and 5 Dust of Stars for your 90 top. 5 Forshura's Arms for your wrists. 5 Antenna for your pants. The rest were all pretty easy. So over the course of my leveling, I had a full set of 90 and using mats I didn't need from those profit runs I sharded with immaculates and refined. Witihout spending any real money and earning coin while I did it as well. All my expenses were paid. I could port to each of my WQ destinations, pay for my Crazy Stones and had money to buy fashion, charms and whatever else I needed and was rarely strapped for coin.

If only I could get that back. It's very rare to see any TT squad forming in any faction that recruits 70+ members. Only factions that do TT to gear their members are either very small (less than 40 people) or recruiting 90+ or 95+. Back in the day it was easier to get a squad for TT, now pretty much impossible since it doesn't make enough money. WC still has some squads, but those are that crappy "Tank>Cleric>DDs by level" drop system.

Arshies - Sanctuary

Let me explain you something:

Yea I bought some mats.... Its that a crime? I cant buy mats? Im force to farm/grind everything? ahhh, wait, now I understand it IM VENO = *able to do anything with my herc* = FALSE!! lol

FYI = I cant solo everything, Herc is not invencible!!

I used to get a sqd to do TT that means splits mats, not steal all as banker and ran away......

Venos buy stuff like others class

RedsRose - Lost City

Arshies - Sanctuary wrote: »

Let me explain you something:

Yea I bought some mats.... Its that a crime? I cant buy mats? Im force to farm/grind everything? ahhh, wait, now I understand it IM VENO = *able to do anything with my herc* = FALSE!! lol

FYI = I cant solo everything, Herc is not invencible!!

I used to get a sqd to do TT that means splits mats, not steal all as banker and ran away......

Venos buy stuff like others class

There are only a very few things that a 99 Herc can't solo....I believe that was Michael's point and my O.o with it....

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Arshies - Sanctuary wrote: »

Let me explain you something:

Yea I bought some mats.... Its that a crime? I cant buy mats? Im force to farm/grind everything? ahhh, wait, now I understand it IM VENO = *able to do anything with my herc* = FALSE!! lol

FYI = I cant solo everything, Herc is not invencible!!

I used to get a sqd to do TT that means splits mats, not steal all as banker and ran away......

Venos buy stuff like others class

What Rose said. ^^

You're a veno on a PvE server. I would think that you'd want to farm most of your mats. Of course it makes more sense to sell what you don't need and buy some of what you might, but part of the fun of playing the game isn't having the gear that you make, but the process of farming it. Or so I thought...

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

If only I could get that back. It's very rare to see any TT squad forming in any faction that recruits 70+ members. Only factions that do TT to gear their members are either very small (less than 40 people) or recruiting 90+ or 95+. Back in the day it was easier to get a squad for TT, now pretty much impossible since it doesn't make enough money. WC still has some squads, but those are that crappy "Tank>Cleric>DDs by level" drop system.

See, you really need to take the initiative on that one. Ominous had 110-170 or so members at any time during the period I was doing this. At the beginning, there were 0 squads running with only people asking in faction "I need 2-2 run" "I need 2-3 run" "I need 3-1 run" "I need 1-3 run" etc...

The thing is, to find people your level that just need HH runs. You form a party to do runs, one person subs, they call which run they go on. Mats are either called or split equally. After you do this a few times, other people see that you're actually getting something accomplished. Perhaps you don't get a mat you need, but you can easily trade it for one you can or sell it to buy one you need. After doing this regularly, for like a week, you shouldn't have much problem finding people who want to join in.

Someone needs to take the inititative and actually start squading people. If you just start saying in guild chat you need this or that run, you won't get anything accomplished and you'll be there with a dozen other people who want to run a HH for their mats, but aren't willing to take that initiative as well. So nothing gets accomplished.

As a higher level in this faction, I had to show some of these lower level players how to run these instances, and after a few weeks, we had 3 regular groups of people helping each other to farm their gear as well as running for profit. Of course, at first they continued to ask a few of us that were higher level to help them, but we basically said, NO, we showed you how to do it, find people who actually need the same or similar runs and help them as they help you. One person needs 2-2, another 1-3... well they don't have help to do their individual run. So, form a squad, do a 2-2 AND a 1-3, or whatever. People are more often to help if they find people who are willing to help. Of course there will be a few greedy people who are just selfish and won't help, but once you start doing this more regularly, you can easily weed them out.

It may only take a few days of trying, or it may take you a month or two, but once you start forming a small group of people that you can regularly ask to go on runs, it becomes easy and expected. If you need to farm a different mat, most of them shouldn't have any problem running something different, cause in the end, everyone gets the mats they need, everyone gets compensated, and if gold drops, you sell it and split it or sell it to someone in the party who needs it for a reduced cost and everyone wins.

In any faction of any size, there are always those people that will ask for HH and never get it. But if they put some effort into building a squad of people who do it and share fairly, a lot of other people will see that and want to participate.

The old archaic 'who gets first pick' is partly to blame why so many people don't want to run parties. If you split and sell or split mats somewhat equally, everyone is happy and the chances of running the party over and over are much more likely.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Seriously, I want the drop rate back to normal and dq back to normal and the 1st gen of pwi come back -_-" just no to this stupid boost

Says the guy who complained about the drop rate of crafting mats. Hypocrite.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

b:cute

Also, people need to get back into the game again instead of having things handed to them. Hell, I know 9x that have 7x gear because they are "waiting for the next double drops." The sad thing is, like Michael mentioned, had they run one HH a day starting around level 83 or so...they would have had their 9x gear and would have had more of an opportunity in 2x drops to farm for refines, shards, etc....b:surrender

It's horrible Q_Q. First time I tried delta we're making the squad and someones like "I know a mage that can go" so we add the mage. Then we get in and on the second wave our mage gets /facerolled. I look at his gear he's got full 7x gear and he's trying to do delta. We failed twice cause of that, replaced him with a better mage and finally finished. b:faint Was just amazed at a level 9x with 7x gear, ask him why he doesnt have TT90 "I'm waiting for the next x2 drops"


I mean I farmed my TT90 gear during double drops, but the only reason for that is because I had started farming it when I hit 82, and when I was 84 and had the wrists, boots and half the legs farmed, they implemented double drops.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

So the noob 9x players will get their 90 green easy, but instead of being able to afford tishas and shards from their unneeded drops, will either have to cash shop refines, sockets and shards or will have a full set of +1 or +2 armor which doesn't really cut it these days.

You seem to have a general perception that everyone should have cash shop items. Those items are in the cash shop for a reason. It is YOU who is the problem here, expecting non-cash-shoppers to actually get them.

They are cash shop items. They can't be farmed. It's not hard work, it's trade. It depends on other players who charged zen. End of story.

EDIT: Actually some CS items can be farmed in the literal sense. But I don't think any refining aids can, so your point is moot. You're saying, non-cash-shoppers should be expected to get them (hint: this means someone charges zen btw), while making it harder for them to get their non-cash-shop gears.

Arshies - Sanctuary

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

There are only a very few things that a 99 Herc can't solo....I believe that was Michael's point and my O.o with it....

Yea, sorry about my last post, but im bored to heard that!

Has many things that Herc cant tank,even a lv99 one, specially at magic mobs/boss when Herc svcks even if the veno is pure magic and has a real good channeling. For example at TT 2 the Wurldlord boss or another random agro mobs who can kill the veno with a single hit...

Otherwise, thinking at the time/charm wasted from a solo TT, like the 3-2, 3-3 is better get a squad who can help you.

TT99 gold mats are hard to drop, I cant reset TT to solo it until get the amount I need >_> I have a live after PWI....

b:bye

RedsRose - Lost City

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

You seem to have a general perception that everyone should have cash shop items. Those items are in the cash shop for a reason. It is YOU who is the problem here, expecting non-cash-shoppers to actually get them.

They are cash shop items. They can't be farmed. It's not hard work, it's trade. It depends on other players who charged zen. End of story.

And Borsuc has entered the convo...*breathes in*

You can get ANYTHING without cs'ing....we have been through this...and it does take some effort but not difficult....b:surrender


(Anything does NOT include the new puppy...lol...which I will freely admit to charging for bc it is too damn cute *hangs head in shame*)

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

You seem to have a general perception that everyone should have cash shop items. Those items are in the cash shop for a reason. It is YOU who is the problem here, expecting non-cash-shoppers to actually get them.

They are cash shop items. They can't be farmed. It's not hard work, it's trade. It depends on other players who charged zen. End of story.

EDIT: Actually some CS items can be farmed in the literal sense. But I don't think any refining aids can, so your point is moot. You're saying, non-cash-shoppers should be expected to get them (hint: this means someone charges zen btw), while making it harder for them to get their gears.

*sigh*

Ok, you just edited your post. Many people often 'farm' their cash-shop items. You do this by farming something in-game, selling it, and using the coin in the Gold Trader to buy your gold.

You don't need to use real cash to buy cash shop items. It's amazing that you're just starting to realize this.

I 'farmed' +1-+10 on my lunar claws. I am still farming to be able to afford the +9 orb to +11 my claws. Yes, FARM. Not buy with real cash.

Whether or not you do this, many other people from low levels to end-gamers, they farm coin and trade it for gold so they can buy cash shop items directly from the Boutique.

Asperitas - Lost City

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

which I will freely admit to charging for bc it is too damn cute *hangs head in shame*)

*shakes head in disappointment*

Borsuc - Raging Tide

What makes you people think you're so special?

I can get a Dragon Orb if someone else gives it to me. It isn't hard work. Someone has to charge zen first. You simply trade it for whatever he is willing to trade. It doesn't matter if that's 1 coin, or 1 billion coins, it's a player-set price, and without the other player (i.e the CSer), the trade wouldn't be possible.

Will you people EVER look at the big picture? You know what happens when everyone is like you? No gold in AH... Have fun "farming" refining aids then, if you can get anything without csing! b:bye



Hint: for every "free" player that gets anything from the CS, there's a cash shopper on the other side of the fence who charged it in the first place. It's not you who farmed the Dragon Orbs, it's the other guy who bought them. (or gold)


EDIT: Ok here's a different set of terms. If someone gives me a free Dragon orb, does that mean I farmed it?

What if he gives me the Dragon Orb as a gift, then I give him 500k as a gift?

Does that mean I farmed it? Why? What is the difference? All I see, is trade. Because, it's not something I can do by myself, I need the person I'm trading with in the first place.

Here's another idea of a trade: he duels me and if I win, he gives me the Dragon orb. Is that farming?

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

What makes you people think you're so special?

I can get a Dragon Orb if someone else gives it to me. It isn't hard work. Someone has to charge zen first. You simply trade it for whatever he is willing to trade. It doesn't matter if that's 1 coin, or 1 billion coins, it's a player-set price, and without the other player (i.e the CSer), the trade wouldn't be possible.

Will you people EVER look at the big picture? You know what happens when everyone is like you? No gold in AH... Have fun "farming" refining aids then, if you can get anything without csing! b:bye



Hint: for every "free" player that gets anything from the CS, there's a cash shopper on the other side of the fence who charged it in the first place. It's not you who farmed the Dragon Orbs, it's the other guy who bought them. (or gold)

What exactly IS your point.

Of course *someone* has to charge that gold. Duh. Beyond that, what is your point?

OMG. You have the mentality of a rock.

Asperitas - Lost City

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

What makes you people think you're so special?

I can get a Dragon Orb if someone else gives it to me. It isn't hard work. Someone has to charge zen first. You simply trade it for whatever he is willing to trade. It doesn't matter if that's 1 coin, or 1 billion coins, it's a player-set price, and without the other player (i.e the CSer), the trade wouldn't be possible.

Will you people EVER look at the big picture? You know what happens when everyone is like you? No gold in AH... Have fun "farming" refining aids then, if you can get anything without csing! b:bye

You know what else would happen if there were a lot less CSers? The standard wouldn't be +7 refines on armors and +10 refines on weapons. Weapons and gears also wouldn't be imbued with g11 and 12 gems. "Hard work" would then be a more potent factor in deciding who is strong and who is not, rather than who swipes their credit card more.

PS. I think we need to clear something up. What Michael_Dark and RedsRose mean by "farming", is not in your literal sense of running an instance to obtain the item directly. Rather, they run instances or whatever, make money however they do, then buy the item off a player who charged zen for it. Hence, they indirectly "farmed" for that item.

I suppose you could say it is synonymous with not paying out cash for it.

That is all. You don't have to literally charge zen for CS items. Through other methods of making coins in game, you can obtain the same items from the people who do, therefore eliminating the need for you to do so yourself.

Because let's face it. Not everybody is able to directly charge zen. Making money in game and buying them off other players are their only chances.

_BaMbOo - Dreamweaver

2x drops don't = everything handed to you. You still half to farm for them. Some of you folks that are complaining on this suggestion are actually trolling. Knock it off, state your difference of opinion and GTFO. Not everyone can run back to back to back to back TT runs and play 8+ hours a day like you. They are not looking for hand-outs or the easy way out. Some might be frustrated from not having the luxury of running consistent TT EVERYDAY + MANY HOURS A DAY. I'm not saying the playing field should be equaled to those less unfortunate but have some damn consideration. And STOP jumping on the "im high level and playing since '08 and know all - force my own damn opinions on everyone else cause I know better band wagon".
The players posting on the forums don't need your pwi forum clique trolling. **** already, it's getting old. lol

b:kiss

Asperitas - Lost City

_BaMbOo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

2x drops don't = everything handed to you. You still half to farm for them. Some of you folks that are complaining on this suggestion are actually trolling. Knock it off, state your difference of opinion and GTFO. Not everyone can run back to back to back to back TT runs and play 8+ hours a day like you. They are not looking for hand-outs or the easy way out. Some might be frustrated from not having the luxury of running consistent TT EVERYDAY + MANY HOURS A DAY. I'm not saying the playing field should be equaled to those less unfortunate but have some damn consideration. And STOP jumping on the "im high level and playing since '08 and know all - force my own damn opinions on everyone else cause I know better band wagon".
The players posting on the forums don't need your pwi forum clique trolling. **** already, it's getting old. lol

b:kiss

I just do wq and mq on weekdays. My only days to run TT are on weekends, and even then I only have time for 1 a day. However, my girlfriend, my brother and I all managed to get all our 90 gear before we hit 90. All it does is take a little advanced planning and farming. You don't have to play 8 hours a day. You don't even have to play 2 hours a day. Just a little time and effort here and there.

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

EDIT: Ok here's a different set of terms. If someone gives me a free Dragon orb, does that mean I farmed it?

What if he gives me the Dragon Orb as a gift, then I give him 500k as a gift?

Does that mean I farmed it? Why? What is the difference? All I see, is trade. Because, it's not something I can do by myself, I need the person I'm trading with in the first place.

Here's another idea of a trade: he duels me and if I win, he gives me the Dragon orb. Is that farming?

If he gives you a free dragon orb, it isn't a trade. In my mind, a trade should involve exchanging of services or items. He gave you something and you're supposed to be obligated to give something back to constitute it as a trade. Since you had no obligation to give anything back, then no it wouldn't be a trade.

If someone gives you a dragon orb as a gift, then you still have no obligation to give anything back. You gave that 500k out of courtesy and not out of obligation. No it's not a trade.

Dueling for orb, that's wagering.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

_BaMbOo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

2x drops don't = everything handed to you. You still half to farm for them.

No it doesn't mean you get things handed to you. However it ruins the economy and forces many people who wouldn't otherwise charge money to necessitate doing so. Charging isn't necessarily bad. Not being able to earn decent coin without spending a lot of time doing it is bad. Making the game basically pay to play or you can't compete is a bad thing. As things are now, if you're not already 10x, you're not going to be able to afford in-game luxury items without having to charge and 2x has a great deal to do with that. That is bad.

If you can't handle other people's opinions, you shouldn't be reading or posting on forums.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

You seem to have a general perception that everyone should have cash shop items. Those items are in the cash shop for a reason. It is YOU who is the problem here, expecting non-cash-shoppers to actually get them.

They are cash shop items. They can't be farmed. It's not hard work, it's trade. It depends on other players who charged zen. End of story.

EDIT: Actually some CS items can be farmed in the literal sense. But I don't think any refining aids can, so your point is moot. You're saying, non-cash-shoppers should be expected to get them (hint: this means someone charges zen btw), while making it harder for them to get their non-cash-shop gears.

You buy the gold - buy refining aids. Gold is high but a peice of gear can get to +3 with just mirages and to +4 with a tienkang stone.


I personally dont care what your gear is as long as you don't squad with me. But I know if I'm making a squad for Delta or something and I see someone with terribad gear, I'm gonna right click → boot from squad.

LouisaMay - Dreamweaver

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

If you can't handle other people's opinions, you shouldn't be reading or posting on forums.

Lol takes one to know one.

Reshanta - Sanctuary

ITS ALL ABOUT THE SPIRIT BABY. ♫

GIMME 4x SPIRIT

ALL ABOUT THE SPIRIT, THE SPIRIT, THE SPIRIT BABY ♫

I don't need xp. I need spirit. I don't need more drops, I need spirit!

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

_BaMbOo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

2x drops don't = everything handed to you. You still half to farm for them. Some of you folks that are complaining on this suggestion are actually trolling. Knock it off, state your difference of opinion and GTFO. Not everyone can run back to back to back to back TT runs and play 8+ hours a day like you. They are not looking for hand-outs or the easy way out. Some might be frustrated from not having the luxury of running consistent TT EVERYDAY + MANY HOURS A DAY. I'm not saying the playing field should be equaled to those less unfortunate but have some damn consideration. And STOP jumping on the "im high level and playing since '08 and know all - force my own damn opinions on everyone else cause I know better band wagon".
The players posting on the forums don't need your pwi forum clique trolling. **** already, it's getting old. lol

b:kiss

your post is full of contradictions but i only highlighted the funny part

Michael_Dark - Lost City

LouisaMay - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Lol takes one to know one.

Oh I love to argue. If everyone thought like me, it would be really, really boring. b:chuckle