Why do Clerics get to lose exp?

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Well . . ok o.0 . . Mr.Michael . .

Michael_Dark - Lost City

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well . . ok o.0 . . Mr.Michael . .

Well, it's true. >.>

Just to repair my claws is 80k. I often have repair bills of 120-150k, without anything even being broken. If everything went to 0 durability, it would probably cost me 600-800k. If I had to pay that every time I died, I'd probably quit.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Very true, a flaw on PW design ? b:chuckle b:surrender

Michael_Dark - Lost City

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Very true, a flaw on PW design ? b:chuckle b:surrender

???

What is a flaw? That you lose exp if you die and go to town? Or that you have to pay if you repair? *is confused*

volst

Yindra - Sanctuary wrote: »

Resurrection skills don't usually work on yourself,

They should give everyone a hour skill that let's them self res kinda like assassins.

SaintDominic - Sanctuary

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

???

What is a flaw? That you lose exp if you die and go to town? Or that you have to pay if you repair? *is confused*

Same here b:surrender

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

???

What is a flaw? That you lose exp if you die and go to town? Or that you have to pay if you repair? *is confused*

Hm it's like a flaw that exist for a long time on many mmorpg, where cleric, medic, priest, acolyte, etc. Class that can revive and restore exp when other player died, when they died in a instance or place very far away from city most of the time these class not get a rez in the end. These will always make those class talk about how they the only one that designed to lost exp while can restore other people exp.

These make cleric class must buy item to prevent exp lost at death, or item to cheat death, hope squad member not doing something that threatening cleric , and ask friend to res but that's if they come . .
By the way sir, i am sure you were much more older than me. b:surrender

Julanya - Dreamweaver

All this talk of a "GS." What is a GS?

Thanks for the terminology help for the new players.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

It's mean Guardian Scroll Julanya. b:bye

Julanya - Dreamweaver

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It's mean Guardian Scroll Julanya. b:bye

Thank you! b:pleased I knew about the res scrolls, but GS lost me.

Hypnos - Raging Tide

Gamer spirit b:avoid

Yulk - Heavens Tear

HarmieX - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Playing my Cleric atm and i find it unfair Clerics in dungeons get to lose exp by going to town (when they're on cleric in squad, which is often the case) when it's there skill that prevents others from losing exp in the first place. Thoughts? b:victory

Uhm, as far as I can tell, only way my cleric dies by healing aggro mistake (saving other people by watching their HP and think they will die, its a habit b:surrender ).


I think you need to learn how to observe squad members, those people that say "just get a guardian scroll" then they fail. That won't prevent less deaths, it will cost you more which is already hurting.

Now what's the problem? Your taking aggro from healing? too low HP? physical defense? magic defense (I hope not)?

If its heal aggro, I suggest you WAIT till the tank or DD hit every single monster in aggression against them, do not heal until they hit all the mobs / bosses

Low HP? get VIT / HP additional in your gears

Low physical defense? getting hit from physical AOEs isn't pretty, I suggest you get physical defense additional in your gear and use plume shell ASAP or use regeneration aura

Low magic defense? only low magic defense I can tell is that your not using arcane robes.

Your a cleric, watch your own self. Be more cautious, your not a barbarian or a venomancer.

HarmieX - Heavens Tear

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Uhm, as far as I can tell, only way my cleric dies by healing aggro mistake (saving other people by watching their HP and think they will die, its a habit b:surrender ).


I think you need to learn how to observe squad members, those people that say "just get a guardian scroll" then they fail. That won't prevent less deaths, it will cost you more which is already hurting.

Now what's the problem? Your taking aggro from healing? too low HP? physical defense? magic defense (I hope not)?

If its heal aggro, I suggest you WAIT till the tank or DD hit every single monster in aggression against them, do not heal until they hit all the mobs / bosses

Low HP? get VIT / HP additional in your gears

Low physical defense? getting hit from physical AOEs isn't pretty, I suggest you get physical defense additional in your gear and use plume shell ASAP or use regeneration aura

Low magic defense? only low magic defense I can tell is that your not using arcane robes.

Your a cleric, watch your own self. Be more cautious, your not a barbarian or a venomancer.

It's heal aggro..the BM waited until we cleared all the mobs to tell me his only AoE was his spark.. I was stacking IH before he aggroed each group but his HP drops fast and being a cleric..panic and heal, didn't really want to be flamed for not healing despite it not being my fault. Sure i was putting up Plume Shield and healing myself but my hp dropping under 50% wasn't hint enough that i was in trouble i guess.

OlieTheKing - Lost City

clerics shouldent die in the first place they can heal themselfs..

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

OlieTheKing - Lost City wrote: »

clerics shouldent die in the first place they can heal themselfs..

O thank you for the great information O Mighty King, just like you say i am sure every cleric not heal them self when attacked . . O why we all not realize these since page 1 ? Or O even before the thread made ?

VlLKASS - Sanctuary

HarmieX - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Playing my Cleric atm and i find it unfair Clerics in dungeons get to lose exp by going to town (when they're on cleric in squad, which is often the case) when it's there skill that prevents others from losing exp in the first place. Thoughts? b:victory

You lose exp cause you weren't careful enough & died. Know when to heal & when to let others die or run to save yourself. A dead cleric is a useless one, no big deal if others die.

Yulk - Heavens Tear

HarmieX - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It's heal aggro..the BM waited until we cleared all the mobs to tell me his only AoE was his spark.. I was stacking IH before he aggroed each group but his HP drops fast and being a cleric..panic and heal, didn't really want to be flamed for not healing despite it not being my fault. Sure i was putting up Plume Shield and healing myself but my hp dropping under 50% wasn't hint enough that i was in trouble i guess.

Then don't do it, you have to wait, yes you might get flamed for it, but its better than dying. If you can time right, nobody dies. Clerics are not meant to die anyways, whether the person taking aggro dies or not, they are meant to keep you alive, your the heart of the squad. If you die, then that is a risk of someone else dieing or a party wipe which is worse than the non-cleric dying.

When I am on my cleric, I usually stack 3-5 IHs then wellspring / pure hearted when tank is at half HP.
Or stacking stream of rejuvenation (49 skill) while using pure hearted / wellspring after 3 stacks.

People would complain for heals not coming to them even for like at least 5 seconds for not being healed, its not like they will get 3 shotted (or do they?) If they not dying then why complain?

No one really had problems with my heals, but I kept my revive at level 1 for now b:chuckle no need because people staying alive, it will just waste my coin / spirit if I level it and people rarely die (unless fail squads)

Stilled - Archosaur

OlieTheKing - Lost City wrote: »

clerics shouldent die in the first place they can heal themselfs..

For things like this, I have decided not to correct everything about it, nor do any of my great intelligent put downs. But I must say, "Archers shoulent die in the first place they can dodge everything, hurr durr.."

GohanX - Raging Tide

HarmieX - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Playing my Cleric atm and i find it unfair Clerics in dungeons get to lose exp by going to town (when they're on cleric in squad, which is often the case) when it's there skill that prevents others from losing exp in the first place. Thoughts? b:victory

Because clerics can rez and others can't. Gotta do what's best for the team as a whole, not an individual. If someone in the squad is about to level but they die, the cleric should sacrafice his or her exp in order to rez because if that player levels he or she will be a greater asset. If you don't want to lose exp during a squad wipe, then don't die b:avoid

Yulk - Heavens Tear

GohanX - Raging Tide wrote: »

Because clerics can rez and others can't. Gotta do what's best for the team as a whole, not an individual. If someone in the squad is about to level but they die, the cleric should sacrafice his or her exp in order to rez because if that player levels he or she will be a greater asset. If you don't want to lose exp during a squad wipe, then don't die b:avoid

Do not listen to his post. Although yes, teams should as a whole and not individuals. Clerics should NOT die trying to revive. I remembered a cleric tried to revive during a huge pull in AOE when a DD died while death. I've witnessed this a lot because not only it wastes time, but the cleric and the person that die loses exp together. Again, the team is meant NOT to die in the first place so they have to use their skills properly. Its best to run and then come back while clearing the way unless if its too tough, best to revive wisely and wait for that foe to move a lil away so you can not aggro them and revive safely.

GohanX - Raging Tide

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Do not listen to his post. Although yes, teams should as a whole and not individuals. Clerics should NOT die trying to revive. I remembered a cleric tried to revive during a huge pull in AOE when a DD died while death. I've witnessed this a lot because not only it wastes time, but the cleric and the person that die loses exp together. Again, the team is meant NOT to die in the first place so they have to use their skills properly. Its best to run and then come back while clearing the way unless if its too tough, best to revive wisely and wait for that foe to move a lil away so you can not aggro them and revive safely.

And do not listen to his post because he is a moron and does not read properly. I never said a cleric should die trying to revive. If the cleric is already dead as well as any other member of the squad, then the cleric should go to town and come back to revive.

As always you do not think before you post Yulk

Candie - Raging Tide

I just try to run instances with friends who care about me . Some of them provide me with g-scroll , but even simple "I'm sorry for your death" makes me feel better

SaintDominic - Sanctuary

GohanX - Raging Tide wrote: »

And do not listen to his post because he is a moron and does not read properly. I never said a cleric should die trying to revive. If the cleric is already dead as well as any other member of the squad, then the cleric should go to town and come back to revive.

As always you do not think before you post Yulk

You totally got it all backwards son. The healer is the most important asset in the group lmao.

GohanX - Raging Tide

Either you people aren't reading properly or I'm not wording my point right. Either way you don't get what I'm saying.

The main point is that the cleric should be the one to lose exp instead of any of the other members in a squad. True the cleric is the most important asset in the group. But honestly I'd rather have one of the damage dealers or the tank level up instead of the cleric and I'm sure if you think about it you would too.

Now if you can't understand what I'm saying this time I give up.

AngelOfGrace - Heavens Tear

no, you have to carry with you both GS and res scrolls, and more than one.

Hypnos - Raging Tide wrote: »

it's called GS b:avoid

Yulk - Heavens Tear

GohanX - Raging Tide wrote: »

Either you people aren't reading properly or I'm not wording my point right. Either way you don't get what I'm saying.

The main point is that the cleric should be the one to lose exp instead of any of the other members in a squad. True the cleric is the most important asset in the group. But honestly I'd rather have one of the damage dealers or the tank level up instead of the cleric and I'm sure if you think about it you would too.

Now if you can't understand what I'm saying this time I give up.

yeah, I'm not reading properly, let the cleric sink his / her exp go down the drain to save others from losing exp.

For friends, or trusted faction mates, ok, I might do that. Other than that, if a wipe is going to happen, I'd GTFO and then come back to revive them till the heat cools down b:chuckle . Good thing I know my instincts b:cute . The others need to play their role, keep the cleric and wizard alive to keep YOU alive. Then no one lost exp in the first place

Islamey - Dreamweaver

Clerics should always stay at 0% and only level after they've bought enough oracles to get 100% exp right away b:victory

AngelOfGrace - Heavens Tear

*jaw drops in shock*b:irritated

this is one of the stupidest things i have yet read in these forums. no one class/player/squad member 'deserves more' to level up than others. we all are to work together in squad, and play our class properly, for the benifit of the group, to finish the instance well. if people communicate with each other, teamwork will prevent party wipes. party wipes happen most often when people are in too much of a hurry, dont bother to coordinate with each other to fight well. whenever im in a pickup squad that has these signs, i first try to get them to work together. if not, i tell them im leaving. i work too hard to earn my exp to lose it to a bunch of sloppy players, not to mention the expense of simply doing my job.

GohanX - Raging Tide wrote: »

Either you people aren't reading properly or I'm not wording my point right. Either way you don't get what I'm saying.

The main point is that the cleric should be the one to lose exp instead of any of the other members in a squad. True the cleric is the most important asset in the group. But honestly I'd rather have one of the damage dealers or the tank level up instead of the cleric and I'm sure if you think about it you would too.

Now if you can't understand what I'm saying this time I give up.

truekossy

GohanX - Raging Tide wrote: »

The main point is that the cleric should be the one to lose exp instead of any of the other members in a squad. True the cleric is the most important asset in the group. But honestly I'd rather have one of the damage dealers or the tank level up instead of the cleric and I'm sure if you think about it you would too.

I'd rather have the cleric level up, thanks.

Why? Think about it. If you're in an instance and level up, are you really gonna make the squad wait for you to run out, learn new skills, equip new gears, and come back in? The cleric leveling would be an immediate benefit since those 5 stat points would mean stronger heals instantly. Plus the extra HP will help the cleric survive longer which directly benefits the tank since if the tank can't solo the area anyway, a dead cleric means a dead tank and dead squad.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Have you all see treatment to cleric ? And what people think when cleric is the only one that lost exp ? Or they always blame you, when they the cause of death ? . . then . . Join the Dark Side . .