Summer Event Party Contribution issues.

Longknife - Harshlands

So I've been enjoying the summer event and ranking pretty high, but suddenly not so much anymore.

Why? Cause some dillhole decided it wasn't enough to win the competition for his class and his class alone. Some **** has been partying a 6x guy and getting him an insane amount of contri at the last minute. Of course others quickly caught on (The first time the 6x won the competition, he literally went from 0 to 10.6k when the Plume Nien Beast died), and now the consistency of the top 20 list is falling apart a bit; people who've never ranked before are suddenly getting first and third and others who generally ranked 18th are sometimes popping up at 2nd.

So this brings up a real issue, because honestly, a Fist BM or a sin will ALWAYS have higher DPS than a Barbarian or a cleric. There's absolutely nothing keeping them from partying any random homie and tanking over the entire competition, ruining it for everybody.
People may argue "well not many people would do this, because that would cut into the person's score." Well, what about if your class has a heated competition for first, but half your score is outrageously high by another class' standards? Of course you'd party a mule and want that guarantee other-class win instead of a risky competition among your own class.


Now look, I'm sure everyone went into this event knowing that it'd be the high levels and CS whoars who would get all the nice prizes. That's fine. Let the highest level and highest paying BM's and Archers and Clerics and Sins win their respective competitions. However, when these guys start deciding that winning ONE class competition just simply isn't enough for them, and start cutting into the winnings of the other, lower DPS classes, then that's f**king ridiculous. That's basically them saying "**** an honest competition, I want ten more prize packs" and breaking an entire class' competition just for the sake of getting a few extra prizes. How selfish can you get?

So while I love the idea of event, this serious flaw in it is gonna destroy the fun of it for everyone BUT the highest DPS classes, unless something is done about it.

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear

I'm pretty sure the high level wouldn't get the quest, so the low level gets all the contribution
ijs...

EDIT: Don't quote me

Asheera - Raging Tide

Yeah this PQ system is kinda **** imo.

It's not just because of squadding sorry for going off-topic but also sucks it's only based on DD and DD alone. I mean if it took other things into consideration not only demon sparked interval people would shine but others as well.

The last bosses are the most **** the others with so much HP and so low hits. Heals are practically useless the only thing that matters is to DD, and DD again, until boss dies. And the 5.0 APS people will get massive amounts of points in the end when boss dies.

Longknife - Harshlands

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm pretty sure the high level wouldn't get the quest, so the low level gets all the contribution
ijs...

EDIT: Don't quote me

OH I'MMA QUOTE YOU AND YOU GONNA LIKE IT!!!


No but seriously, think about it.

You're a level 100 Sin. There's about 3 other 95+ sins, all give you a good run for your money for the first place rank. All 3 of you generally get 25k contribution, and you only win every fourth competition.


The barb competition, the winner averages 8000 points.



Why wouldn't you? You'll rank 1st as "barb" and you'll still get 4th as sin. You'll also win barb EVERY round.

So yeah, this is freaking ridiculous. If it's not fixed then every public event is basically a Fist BM/Sin competition only.

tweakz

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

That's basically them saying "**** an honest competition, I want ten more prize packs" and breaking an entire class' competition just for the sake of getting a few extra prizes. How selfish can you get?

It's a game, it's competitive. Don't hate the players: hate the game. We're limited by what the game allows us to do. Being charitable here (this is not real life) mostly benefits con-artists.

Nemfaros - Heavens Tear

I loled so hard at the names you gave people, I forgot to take you seriouslyb:cute

Longknife - Harshlands

tweakz wrote: »

It's a game, it's competitive. Don't hate the players: hate the game.

Trust me, I do. I'm sure they only implemented the party contri feature so that clerics could heal and support and still get EXP from the Public Quest. Really backfired for the event though...

Nemfaros - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I loled so hard at the names you gave people, I forgot to take you seriouslyb:cute

Hey, you just gotta be creative when the game censors everything even remotely offensive, jerkbutt.

Born_Free - Harshlands

So last time I did an event was about a week ago, right? We finally get to the final bosses, and I decide to go to Raging Tides.
Who else should be there, but Zulu?

(Don't know who Zulu is? Try a 95+ RPK faction that owns almost the entire bottom half of the map. We're lucky Kylin is around.)

At first, I ignored them, and I started using my DoT's and such on the Nein. About three minute into this, my HP gets r@ped by a Wizard's AoE. I'm on the verge of death, when I noticed their guys had stopped attacking...too late.
I accidentally hit the Nein just as I realized what they were doing, and aggro'd him, ultimately **** myself over.

Try two.

I come back, seriously pissed, and once again try to assist with damage, DoT's, etc. Again, the Wizard takes a chunk of my health with her AoE. I ask her to watch her aim. They try the aggro tactic again, which I was wary for this time. (I was pissed, they'd done some damage to my weapon's dura.)

So now their Assassin pops out of literally nowhere and kills me in about two hits.

Try Three.

By this time, the other Neins were all dead, and ours is at about 50% HP. My faction member (also doing the quest, also at my level, went to Etherblade,) pops up and asks me why ours isn't dead yet. At this point, now there are so many guys flowing into RT that Zulu can't PK them all. I FINALLY am able to deal some damage without getting my behind beaten senseless.

-_- I get only 93 contribution, because according to the stats, I'd been killed more times than I'd killed other things. You've got to love RPKers. b:surrender

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

I barb on my server pays people to squad with him so he can win =/

SuperHebbe - Dreamweaver

Yeah, the point split when in squad are kinda stupid when rewards are divided into classes anyway...

All top clerics on my server are in squad with high level fists BMs or Archers, including my wife b:chuckle
She went from 35th place to 2nd place just squadding with me, and I don't think that is fair for other clerics.

BUT as long as PWI work that way, people will continue to do it, including me and my wife

It would be more fair for all classes if points are not splitted between squad members.

FatherTed - Dreamweaver

Nemfaros - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I loled so hard at the names you gave people, I forgot to take you seriouslyb:cute

No-one takes Longie seriously. We just watch him run his mouth and chuckle. Happens all over the place.

And on topic - this whole "event" is so poorly designed it isn't even funny.

I give the credit for thinking about us, but I take credit back for not putting 10 seconds of thought into the 'event.'

VlLKASS - Sanctuary

Yeah.. I've seen some people that can barely get into top ranks score 1st/2nd all of a sudden... & I know for fact there is no way in hell they'd win just with their own effort.

Meh, can't do nothing.

It's funny where did all the QQers go that claimed "Oh this is only for high lvls, lower have no chance!!!!" Well they do if they squad a higher DD... but now others QQing how unfair that is.

Doesn't matter what is done, smb ain't happy.



PS: b:sin I think it's time I get myself the expel skill & have some fun in the event

Lylfo - Dreamweaver

QQ moar
this is the way pwi works now
either join the crowd or play another game(go make a 5 aps bm/archer/barb/sin, get another computer and boost your own psychic's score)

happened in DW for clerics like what superhebbe said

People wonder why others use expel on them...they don't really care about other people but it is their right to do so since they merchanted/pumped money/time into the game, I mean, with their 5 aps why should they care about other people( or why other people matter?)?

Notgood - Raging Tide

VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yeah.. I've seen some people that can barely get into top ranks score 1st/2nd all of a sudden... & I know for fact there is no way in hell they'd win just with their own effort.

Meh, can't do nothing.

It's funny where did all the QQers go that claimed "Oh this is only for high lvls, lower have no chance!!!!" Well they do if they squad a higher DD... but now others QQing how unfair that is.

Doesn't matter what is done, smb ain't happy.



PS: b:sin I think it's time I get myself the expel skill & have some fun in the event

oh snap....i'm going to try that b:laugh

Longknife - Harshlands

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

QQ moar

Honestly, was that called for? Makes you sound like a child. I make a point and state why I feel the current system is imperfect, and all you can do is mock me and give a defeatist argument.



Listen, here's why I say there's obviously something wrong:

Assassins on this forum have used the argument "the devs gave us all these great skills, so that makes them ok." They're basically saying that the devs get to decide what goes and what does not, and it's their game so I have to play by their rules. Good argument imo. Of course people are free to argue WHY they feel sins are imbalanced, should they feel like the devs never intended for sins to be however powerful.


Similar to that, I'm arguing that it's incredibly unlikely that the devs intended the competition to work like this. Why? Because if it was supposed to work like this, why bother filtering the classes at all? Why not just award the top 20, no matter their class? Well, because the devs obviously didn't want it that way. They probably felt that if they did this, low damage dealing classes like barbs would never stand a chance. And so, they split the rankings based on class.
However, due to contri being split evenly just like everything else when in a party, this completely defeats the purpose of filtering the classes. To me, it seems obvious that the event is not working as intended in this regard.

So? Am I allowed to point that out without you coming in here and making a "QQ more" comment, simply saying that people have every right to do what they want, just because they're rich? Well holy ****, I would hope so...

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Something that is balanced in this game? Yeah right, don't even dream about it.

If you can't win, then you can't. It's kinda obvious that cashshoppers must have the upper hand. Otherwise there wouldn't be any need to cash shop ie. less money for the company.

Asheera - Raging Tide

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

Honestly, was that called for? Makes you sound like a child. I make a point and state why I feel the current system is imperfect, and all you can do is mock me and give a defeatist argument.

I think she's one of the spoiled clerics who leeches off from 5 APS/sec contribution points

Heartstone - Dreamweaver

Asheera - Raging Tide wrote: »

I think she's one of the spoiled clerics who leeches off from 5 APS/sec contribution points

no he aint. he dont have any 5 aps friends there squad with him. have never sen him in top 5. i dont even think he do the event lol. ( yes lylfo is a guy)

Jennalicious - Sanctuary

Squadding for this event should have no effect on the participants. One should get the same amount of points whether they're squadded or going solo. Until then, this is just another fail event.

ArchAngel - Dreamweaver

get the nien beast to move at 50% hp..

Aubree - Dreamweaver

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

Trust me, I do. I'm sure they only implemented the party contri feature so that clerics could heal and support and still get EXP from the Public Quest. Really backfired for the event though...



Hey, you just gotta be creative when the game censors everything even remotely offensive, jerkbutt.

Clerics don't get contributions from healing in the event.

I ranked 15 today by going solo, when I squad my husband DrAgOOnZ, I rank first place nearly every time. Is it for healing? No, I don't heal.. I DD and absorb his contribution. BTW he never ranks first because of me, top 5 is where I think he is tho.

True enough, I think some players squad low lvl alts for the prizes.

Heartstone - Dreamweaver

simply make is so Squading for event doesnt share points. or make the quest fail if trying to squad. example pretty easy. my friend Vahala ( cleric) usually rank 1 cos she either squad Auka or Kasumi.( ~9-10k score) while clerics alone with tons beter gear get below half that. i mean if Vah goes alone its like 4k score to her.

my friend, but still getting pretty annoyed when my other cleric friends with +10's vs her average **** get half her score. not deserved.. at all.

Aubree - Dreamweaver

Auka usually squad his alt AukaJr but w.e b:shutup

Longknife - Harshlands

Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Clerics don't get contributions from healing in the event.

I ranked 15 today by going solo, when I squad my husband DrAgOOnZ, I rank first place nearly every time. Is it for healing? No, I don't heal.. I DD and absorb his contribution. BTW he never ranks first because of me, top 5 is where I think he is tho.

True enough, I think some players squad low lvl alts for the prizes.

I meant that the intended purpose of squaded contri is so that clerics are able to do nothing but heal and still get contri, not that the healing itself gives contri.

Mendolin - Sanctuary

VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »

PS: b:sin I think it's time I get myself the expel skill & have some fun in the event

b:angry you bish... seriously whoever does that to people is just lame... couple events ago someone was spamming expel on me non stop... if i see you doing that to me VlLKASS i swear... no more humps for you b:chuckle

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

This definately needs to be changed, people just squad with high DD players and end up getting top 5 everytime over players that should hvae won.

TigerLily - Lost City

A lot of ppl party their alts for extra reward lol

Its kinda hilarious seeing some lowbie alt char getting spot 1-5 because the guys main is a 4/5 aps assassin/BM/archer. Than he gets triple top 5 rewards since he partied all of his alts Its obviously unfair but doubt they care enough to change anything.

Its unfair as well that you can leech you're way into top 5, bypassing players that have far better gear and worked their **** of. But i guess its like in real life, its a popularity contests. If you kiss enough **** you get to party the expected winners and you also get top 5 from their efforts.

I do understand why this event makes people spam expel on each other b:chuckle

GHealz - Archosaur

let me ask u all do u think that thats the ONLY prob with this event?? how about stacking quests??
i see pl start off with 1.2k contribution in 1st 2mins of its start also it is unfair to lower lv ppl as they have to contend against higher lv ppl, liek a 63 bm vs a 100bm with Decals...thats fair..
the devision of ppl should hav more sauch **** lv devision
like 50-60, 60-70, 70-80, 80+

ArchAngel - Dreamweaver

well, the nien beast/captain should be able to do something else other than aoe 2 or 3 times in it's whole life span.

like wat?

move? maybe at 50% hp? This will effectively counter all the 5 aps talk

cast buffs/debuffs/purge etc randomly?

At the moment, it is just another sitting duck waiting to be slaughtered. The devs/GMs should know better, nuff said. b:bye

edit: make the nien beasts spawn randomly too.. that way, you need more than just 5 aps to score

VlLKASS - Sanctuary

GHealz - Archosaur wrote: »

let me ask u all do u think that thats the ONLY prob with this event?? how about stacking quests??
i see pl start off with 1.2k contribution in 1st 2mins of its start also it is unfair to lower lv ppl as they have to contend against higher lv ppl, liek a 63 bm vs a 100bm with Decals...thats fair..
the devision of ppl should hav more sauch **** lv devision
like 50-60, 60-70, 70-80, 80+

Um.. how is unfair to lower lvls? If those players can do the other quests besides killing as well as stacking them. I say it puts an equal sort of ... footing... Since most higher lvls I ask only take waiting quest sometimes, they don't do runs.

GHealz - Archosaur

most high lvs i know stack the quest