Fists & Claws break PWI ?
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woah, woah, woah! PAUSE, rewind.
b:chuckle and I was told all that time ago I was fail for going fists/claws. Now suddenly I'm overpowered.
Why couldn't you other meatheaded bladmasters have just stayed stupid! ;____; I liked kicking **** and being accused of cheating because they had no clue what they were up against.
Although it is very irritating that other classes can use them. I wanted to use daggers but they're class specific which kinda bites but that makes sense.... I just kinda hate it that they can use my weapon but I can't use theirs.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Kyna - Lost City wrote: »woah, woah, woah! PAUSE, rewind.
b:chuckle and I was told all that time ago I was fail for going fists/claws. Now suddenly I'm overpowered.
Why couldn't you other meatheaded bladmasters have just stayed stupid! ;____; I liked kicking **** and being accused of cheating because they had no clue what they were up against.
Although it is very irritating that other classes can use them. I wanted to use daggers but they're class specific which kinda bites but that makes sense.... I just kinda hate it that they can use my weapon but I can't use theirs.
Why would a BM want to use daggers? Daggers base damage on dex, not str, and are slower than fists. You would be extremely limited in terms of skills too. For looks I guess?0 -
Cant give only 2 classes access to extremely over powered gear that allows you to completely break the pve balance.
At least now everyone has an equal opportunity to pay to get 5 aps. If fists are gonna get class specific they have to cap attack speed lower than 5 aps or it will be kinda silly. What the point of playing any other class than sin or BM than? You will never be able to do even a fragment of their damage over time.
It is rather broken tho how i will deal more dmg with average refined claws/fists + full set interval gear than with a +12 rank8 bow. Or how a barb these days is a more wanted as a tank if he goes straight against the build he was meant to, being tank, and adds 200 dex.
This specific set up of gear + build have to be available for any class or it will be vastly unfair. However i do think sins attack speed should be capped lower than other classes since daggers have higher base dmg than fists ;(0 -
Admante - Dreamweaver wrote: »Why would a BM want to use daggers? Daggers base damage on dex, not str, and are slower than fists. You would be extremely limited in terms of skills too. For looks I guess?
For sh*ts and giggles xD Just like taking out a noob archer with a bow... because I can.
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Kyna - Lost City wrote: »woah, woah, woah! PAUSE, rewind.
b:chuckle and I was told all that time ago I was fail for going fists/claws. Now suddenly I'm overpowered.
Why couldn't you other meatheaded bladmasters have just stayed stupid! ;____; I liked kicking **** and being accused of cheating because they had no clue what they were up against.
Although it is very irritating that other classes can use them. I wanted to use daggers but they're class specific which kinda bites but that makes sense.... I just kinda hate it that they can use my weapon but I can't use theirs.
You are still kinda fail for using fists at 7X. You are certainly not OP.
No point getting fists/claws til 90 at least once you can start stacking interval with Demon Sparks.
Fists are really only OP once you get at least 5 aps sparked which u need 95/99 for. No clue why you would use fists at 70 since you will have terrible **** dps anyway, makes more sense using axes as main weapon at that lvl.0 -
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TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »You are still kinda fail for using fists at 7X. You are certainly not OP.
No point getting fists/claws til 90 at least once you can start stacking interval with Demon Sparks.
Fists are really only OP once you get at least 5 aps sparked which u need 95/99 for. No clue why you would use fists at 70 since you will have terrible **** dps anyway, makes more sense using axes as main weapon at that lvl.
Overpowered? No. Fail? Absolutely not. Fists blow axes out of the water in terms of single target damage output if the player knows what they're doing.0 -
Wow, you're just figuring this out? Holy freakin **** O.O
If every weapon is class req. what's the point of points every level if you're limited to that weapon group?
I like experimentation. Thank you.
I'm sure a mage wants to try a whirl at a sphere.The VenoX: Heavy Pure Melee (Axe User with a hint of magic) Venomancer and Proud
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Too many flaw/un-even setting in this game,- interval is godly in game while - channeling prove nothing. But the price you are paying for interval/channeling is the same.
Thus, can perfect world last like everquest ? ? ? ? ?
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Kittennice - Heavens Tear wrote: »If every weapon is class req. what's the point of points every level if you're limited to that weapon group?
I like experimentation. Thank you.
This. /10char0 -
TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide wrote: »
Veno(lol) - now this one can be the highest DPS class of them all though by using this build you'd basically be a melee veno and your magic will be incredibly weak ( need lvl 1 mag weap in order to use ) .Weapon mastery in fox form being 150%( not to mention the higher crit bonus ) on demon & 200% + a few free stats to add them however you like ( I just put str ) outmatches fist mastery dmg bonus and let's not forget pet DD as well as amp that cost's 0 sparks in order increase the total DPS even further . Let's not even mention about ironwood that you can still use with a lvl 1 mag weap & switch back to DD in fox .
in the few pages of posts i read i didnt see this corrected.
venos cant go fox form with a melee wep, has to be a magic wep, so melee mastery wont work, even tho the calc says it does.
the cost of some of these builds ive seen posted is huge, if ppl want to spend the time and money to make these builds then i think they deserve to be that good
personally ive had no problem dealing with fist users and in pve, if they want to tank, let them, saves me the trouble0 -
why has noone said the most obvious haxed build possible?!
http://www.pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=fcb03af2c2e2d978
i hear thats RedsRose's new top secret project b:shocked[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Why are you guys complaining about this just now? If something needs to be nerfed, it's the packs.0
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Chalkara - Lost City wrote: »in the few pages of posts i read i didnt see this corrected.
venos cant go fox form with a melee wep, has to be a magic wep, so melee mastery wont work, even tho the calc says it does.
the cost of some of these builds ive seen posted is huge, if ppl want to spend the time and money to make these builds then i think they deserve to be that good
personally ive had no problem dealing with fist users and in pve, if they want to tank, let them, saves me the trouble
Done b:avoid .Proclivity - Archosaur wrote: »why has noone said the most obvious haxed build possible?!
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i hear thats RedsRose's new top secret project b:shocked
Psht , we all know fist wiziez hax more than clerics . THEY HAZ FROSTBLADE !It's all about LoL,yo.0 -
Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »This is what it actually looks like http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=9023ca18c2bf0609
b:laugh And yes Dark and Asperitas thats true but thats exploiting a bug and therefore shouldn't be considered in such a thing. b:bye its not fair to compare it.
Thought id go One better xD, this is best possible Non-Fox veno Build i can make:
http://www.pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=d7277c27c19e6efc
and for the record you cant use Melee weapons in fox form, so heres the best Fox Form one i could make, still pretty nice:
http://www.pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=8f24261e2fcaa210
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Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »And yet people still claim its fists that are broken. Give me a break. Its -Interval thats broken as you can clearly see. Interval being static gains rather then % means for any fast weapon they completely destroy balance, while being near worthless for slower weaponry. Rather then this dumb half-assed BM-only solution for fists, its Interval that should be adjusted to % so it helps all weaponry the same, just as -channel % helps all casting with equal gains in DPS.
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Chalkara - Lost City wrote: »in the few pages of posts i read i didnt see this corrected.
venos cant go fox form with a melee wep, has to be a magic wep, so melee mastery wont work, even tho the calc says it does.
the cost of some of these builds ive seen posted is huge, if ppl want to spend the time and money to make these builds then i think they deserve to be that good
personally ive had no problem dealing with fist users and in pve, if they want to tank, let them, saves me the trouble
Good Catch!
You are right, they are too costly, and I think it is skewed. From my calculation, only bm will benefit the most in using the claw.
Other classes, they better use their class' weapons.
I am a lunar claw +10 user, and I can tell by the numbers shown in those built, they can't match my damage.0 -
ValenaHaiko - Heavens Tear wrote: »Good Catch!
You are right, they are too costly, and I think it is skewed. From my calculation, only bm will benefit the most in using the claw.
Other classes, they better use their class' weapons.
I am a lunar claw +10 user, and I can tell by the numbers shown in those built, they can't match my damage.
you obviously havent Seen DeityofRain, level 100 Sin Claw build, i think i saw him drop taboo in seconds, ur kinda screwed if theres a claw sin next to you in stealth and they demon spark + ice occlet + mare.
That on you with demon spark already out of stealth = you dead sucka
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Chalkara - Lost City wrote: »venos cant go fox form with a melee wep, has to be a magic wep, so melee mastery wont work, even tho the calc says it does.
Actually, it can be done. The veno forum was afire with it a while back. (The trick is EDIT apparently the trick is an exploit. Huh. Well, go read the veno forum where for WEEKS people were talking about it. Moron GMs.)
The downsides of doing it still outweigh the upsides, though it is hilarious for a while.0 -
Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »Actually, it can be done. [Editted out for reasons stated below]
The downsides of doing it still outweigh the upsides, though it is hilarious for a while.
This was already mentioned a page or 2 ago, and was then editted out. The Community Manager or Mods will repremand you for revealing how to exploit on the public forums. For your own sake & for the sake of not helping others to exploit your post should be editted.0 -
Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »This was already mentioned a page or 2 ago, and was then editted out. The Community Manager or Mods will repremand you for revealing how to exploit on the public forums. For your own sake & for the sake of not helping others to exploit your post should be editted.
Oh, is this classed as an exploit now?
Nice of them to not actually tell us.
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Blazing arrow does not account for equipment damage coming from rings, thus i really doubt it adds more damage than fist mastery.
bms with drake's breath fire buff (which apparently you can cast without consuming sparks) puts it at higher DPS than anyone.Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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Baalzor - Heavens Tear wrote: »dont worry, fists and claws will be soon BM only so... no need to panic. in china they already did this so...expect this type of transition here as well
They haven't implemented the change yet on the non-test servers afaik... The last I read, the PW-CN devs were planning on reducing triple spark's attack speed increase from 25% to 20%, but halted the patch due to massive community rejection. Triple spark will still bring sins out of stealth (not sure if thats been implemented yet or not), but the 5 aps + 15P/16P weapon issue (yes, they have warsoul sins on PW-CN servers)still needs to be addressed and is still being QQ'd about on the PW-CN servers. I wouldn't be surprised if they also choose to lower the attack speed cap for fists/claws/daggers to something like 4.00.
Edit: Misread your post, nice to know if its indeed true but I still find sins using fists/claws to be idiots - access to dagger mastery and stun capability greatly outweighs the ease of access to the weapon (especially with the 7-sign daggers ready and coming out soon).Ddddddddssss - Dreamweaver wrote: »pfft, everyone is saying this for months, it's not happening, i bet you. even the gm's who responded to tickets even said it's not going to happen.
The GMs know little to nothing about what the next update will bring in terms of game mechanics changes. Such decisions are made higher up in the chain and it seems that management feels no need (unfortunately) to inform PWI GMs of every single detail in the bulk patches.Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »bms with drake's breath fire buff (which apparently you can cast without consuming sparks) puts it at higher DPS than anyone.
QFT. I have (fortunately) yet to meet any fist BM who actually knows how to use this or demon glacial spike properly though, so b:quiet
As a side note, feast on (or be very scared) of this:
AFAIK, lvl 102 pure dex sin with 2 Lionheart pieces, 2 Ashura pieces, Nirvanna pants, Rank 8 (8jun) chest, 2 Seals of Eternal Solitude, Warsoul (16P) daggers.
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Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
bms with drake's breath fire buff (which apparently you can cast without consuming sparks) puts it at higher DPS than anyone.
Well it's a two spark skill, so if theres a way to cast without using sparks its a hax.0 -
Desiree - Harshlands wrote: »They haven't implemented the change yet on the non-test servers afaik... The last I read, the PW-CN devs were planning on reducing triple spark's attack speed increase from 25% to 20%, but halted the patch due to massive community rejection. Triple spark will still bring sins out of stealth (not sure if thats been implemented yet or not), but the 5 aps + 15P/16P weapon issue (yes, they have warsoul sins on PW-CN servers)still needs to be addressed and is still being QQ'd about on the PW-CN servers. I wouldn't be surprised if they also choose to lower the attack speed cap for fists/claws/daggers to something like 4.00.
Edit: Misread your post, nice to know if its indeed true but I still find sins using fists/claws to be idiots - access to dagger mastery and stun capability greatly outweighs the ease of access to the weapon (especially with the 7-sign daggers ready and coming out soon).
The GMs know little to nothing about what the next update will bring in terms of game mechanics changes. Such decisions are made higher up in the chain and it seems that management feels no need (unfortunately) to inform PWI GMs of every single detail in the bulk patches.
QFT. I have (fortunately) yet to meet any fist BM who actually knows how to use this or demon glacial spike properly though, so b:quiet
As a side note, feast on (or be very scared) of this:
AFAIK, lvl 102 pure dex sin with 2 Lionheart pieces, 2 Ashura pieces, Nirvanna pants, Rank 8 (8jun) chest, 2 Seals of Eternal Solitude, Warsoul (16P) daggers.
~Desiree
http://www.pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=25bec44f0e70d6a6
closest i can build xD, and i would assume he has full DoT's too, and them stats would be whilst hes sparking too.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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yeah fist/claws should be only for bm's like crossbows/slingshots are to archers..nuff said.And oh he is cash shop failness btw ty.0
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In order to actually address interval, they would have to rework the balance, refine grades, set up individual APS ceilings that differ for each specific weapon type, and compare end game caster damage with accounting for crits and high -chan vs. fist damage and its close range requirement to actually find any kind of workable solution. So simply saying fix -interval is as senseless as saying bring us world peace. Many, many other factors that would have to be addressed at the same time to avoid breaking it a different way.
And why are people complaining about cancel casting, when so few of us even know how to do it? Especially as it is something that requires actual skill to pull off in some cases, whereas equipping a 8-jun bow and stupiding a crit kill makes for an easier time killing? Or Undine BIDs at same rank.Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura
Get a High lvl Fist warrior use it, Restat to axes. GG - complexx
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Quinnie - Heavens Tear wrote: »
you run round with perm Blessing of the Condor o.O if only u could get 34k evasion perm also lol -0.3 on weapon but only 1.41/ sec. if a sin had that kind of rate he would cap ∞/ Sec, dosnt matter how much pdefence u got then u dead sucka b:shocked [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »Actually, it can be done. The veno forum was afire with it a while back. (The trick is EDIT apparently the trick is an exploit. Huh. Well, go read the veno forum where for WEEKS people were talking about it. Moron GMs.)
The downsides of doing it still outweigh the upsides, though it is hilarious for a while.
b:question When was this? Iz don't rememberz thiz.The VenoX: Heavy Pure Melee (Axe User with a hint of magic) Venomancer and Proud
Having fun since lv1
5 more levels baby!
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I'm for The Cursed!
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