Making money is too easy

Tojop - Dreamweaver

WingedXepher - Dreamweaver wrote: »

About flawless gems: Yeah, they are WAAAY cheaper, but flawless used to be a nice shard, now its ****, why? cuz Garnet Gems, Citrines Gems, and Shappire Gems have arrived, and when i see someone with flawless i can see myself when i was lvl 50 and i used to watch the gear of the other people and see on their gear flawless and immaculate gems while i was wearing averages...

Those gems are needed for TW and high-end PvP, which is relevant to the top tiers of the top 5 odd factions on the server. Any 8x+ can have full flawless sharded gear, at minimal effort (to say nothing of the ease to get to 8x). This was not the case some 8-10 months ago.

Leveling is easier, and so is improving your gear; people continue to complain that this game is moving toward a "cash shop only" type of crowd; I contend otherwise.

Why do you all say "Cash shoppers have the advantage, there's no way I can compete QQ." That was already the case before; they had access to easier levels and better gear, and still do. If anything, the whole slew of events has made overall PvE easier; you should really be QQing about the fact that your TT 80 gold armor isn't as cool as it used to be, and getting -.15 interval is only good if you're level 60, not 95+ b:bye

chelseacraft

sweetjamie wrote: »

The game is too easy now. You level so fast without a challenge at all and then BAM you have to buy a $200 pet, spend tons on lvl 80-90 mats to get your armor and weapon.

If you want to even consider PvP, you have to keep up with the other users, that are now wearing G10-12. You are forced to empty your wallet just to consider it.

Where does it say that you have to have a herc or nix? You just WANT one.

Since when do mats cost money? They either are lying on the ground spawning for you to pick up or they drop from bosses. If you CHOOSE to pay for mats it's just because you WANT to.

PvP is another WANT that is not required to play & enjoy PWI. That's what a PvE server is there for.

No one is FORCING anything. You just want what you can't afford much like I want a BMW but drive an old chevy truck because it's what I can afford.

Since when does life owe you everything you desire the instant you desire it?

At least PWI has opportunity for you to EARN the same things that paying people have if you put effort into it & use your brains. That is more than most games give freebees.

PWI is not a charity org.

Most of all, you contradict yourself entirely by saying the game is too easy then going on to complain that you can't easily get everything you want in the game without paying or working hard for it.

Coraline - Lost City

Faster to level but then most people, at least I don't, don't grind after. When I was level 70, I would do cs, wq and then grind for coins. Depending on if I had money or not, I would grind for coins first to pay for my cs or just do it later. When I was 9x, I did my wq's ,my cs, and all 3 bh's..and after all of that, I didn't have the time to grind for coins.

In order to gain money you need to put in money right..well usually. To merch things maybe invest into packs and get really lucky, then you are pushed into the 100mil area. I've never been much of a merchant. Before when I started playing, I would actively play. I had school so I couldn't shop around for deals and everything. My laptop isn't built for heavy duty usage (I didn't buy it, my mom did) so I cant leave it on during the night in cat shop. I personally dont see myself ever getting into the 100mil coins range. My friends don't farm HH or either they farm with other people, and I don't like to gamble with packs. I've seen Midnight spend countless of in game coins trying to get something good like a CV weapon or something like that, only to get tokens and charms out of it. Also to gamble with packs, you need a lot of money to put into them, unless you're insanely lucky and get something really good on your first try. I don't like gambling I would rather be safe maybe thats why I'm not rich now >_>

sweetjamie

chelseacraft wrote: »

Yeah that pet is a reward for those of us who pay that much money into this game.

Legendary pets are not REQUIRED to play or succeed in the game.

Buying things is NOT mandatory.

and you can always do what I did EARN COINS IN GAME & get a herc or nix.

So your argument is not meaningful or logical. Thanks for your reply anyway.

Would you like to share with the 10 thousand people complaining that DQ is their only way of making coins, and that they can barely get by?

Share with everyone as to how you got both legendary pets without cash shopping.


By the way, every post is meaningful. Adding that is a poor attempt at a flame.

WingedXepher - Dreamweaver

chelseacraft wrote: »

Where does it say that you have to have a herc or nix? You just WANT one.

Since when do mats cost money? They either are lying on the ground spawning for you to pick up or they drop from bosses. If you CHOOSE to pay for mats it's just because you WANT to.

PvP is another WANT that is not required to play & enjoy PWI. That's what a PvE server is there for.

No one is FORCING anything. You just want what you can't afford much like I want a BMW but drive an old chevy truck because it's what I can afford.

Since when does life owe you everything you desire the instant you desire it?

At least PWI has opportunity for you to EARN the same things that paying people have if you put effort into it & use your brains. That is more than most games give freebees.

PWI is not a charity org.

Most of all, you contradict yourself entirely by saying the game is too easy then going on to complain that you can't easily get everything you want in the game without paying or working hard for it.

Did you ever entered to a TW? Do u think a Veno can go to a TW with a flying piggy?... you must be kidding...

And yes, PvP is a way to enjoy PWI, i love PvP, and im training and getting my gear to someday do PvP.

And you cant compare IRL with PWI wanna know why?, because Perfect World is a game, its supposed to be enjoyable, its supposed to be made to distract from the real life, not to live it again IRL + In game....

lol

Coraline - Lost City

Well...venos used to PvP and TW without a nix...while using sawfly's. Sure they don't have as high as an attack and less HP than a nix, but it still can be used.

sweetjamie

chelseacraft wrote: »

Where does it say that you have to have a herc or nix? You just WANT one.

Since when do mats cost money? They either are lying on the ground spawning for you to pick up or they drop from bosses. If you CHOOSE to pay for mats it's just because you WANT to.

PvP is another WANT that is not required to play & enjoy PWI. That's what a PvE server is there for.

No one is FORCING anything. You just want what you can't afford much like I want a BMW but drive an old chevy truck because it's what I can afford.

Since when does life owe you everything you desire the instant you desire it?

At least PWI has opportunity for you to EARN the same things that paying people have if you put effort into it & use your brains. That is more than most games give freebees.

PWI is not a charity org.

Most of all, you contradict yourself entirely by saying the game is too easy then going on to complain that you can't easily get everything you want in the game without paying or working hard for it.

I'll start by saying: I am a cash shopper.



Lots of people play this game for the PvP. If I wanted PvE only I'd join some endless grinding game or do years of instances in WoW. (This game is no longer a grind as it use to be.)

You can't even come close to competing in PvP unless you put in lots of money. It's just pointless. People with G12 gems and +10 refined equipment while you're using your non-refined, G7 gems and getting killed in 1-2 hits every time.

To me, this game is only good for the PvP. It use to have an awesome 1-70 PvE, but now that's only a week or two worth of effort. So I am here discussing PvP. Lost City and Harshlands.

WingedXepher - Dreamweaver

Coraline - Lost City wrote: »

Well...venos used to PvP and TW without a nix...while using sawfly's. Sure they don't have as high as an attack and less HP than a nix, but it still can be used.

Of course, i can use a lvl 1 bow too, but it doesnt do the same.

sweetjamie

WingedXepher - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Of course, i can use a lvl 1 bow too, but it doesnt do the same.

It just doesn't compete with the lvl 100 bows.

Just like how a Phoenix **** a Sawfly in performance.
A veno with sawfly is an easy target. 1 shot the Sawfly and then kill the helpless little veno.

sweetjamie

Chelseacraft please answer my question:

sweetjamie wrote: »

Would you like to share with the 10 thousand people complaining that DQ is their only way of making coins, and that they can barely get by?

Share with everyone as to how you got both legendary pets without cash shopping.


By the way, every post is meaningful. Adding that is a poor attempt at a flame.

Tisa - Dreamweaver

Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Those gems are needed for TW and high-end PvP, which is relevant to the top tiers of the top 5 odd factions on the server. Any 8x+ can have full flawless sharded gear, at minimal effort (to say nothing of the ease to get to 8x). This was not the case some 8-10 months ago.

Leveling is easier, and so is improving your gear; people continue to complain that this game is moving toward a "cash shop only" type of crowd; I contend otherwise.

Why do you all say "Cash shoppers have the advantage, there's no way I can compete QQ." That was already the case before; they had access to easier levels and better gear, and still do. If anything, the whole slew of events has made overall PvE easier; you should really be QQing about the fact that your TT 80 gold armor isn't as cool as it used to be, and getting -.15 interval is only good if you're level 60, not 95+ b:bye

Yes, you can get good gear w/o CS, but you have to merchant. Merchanting is not playing the game as an RPG. It's...idk what the hell it is, but it defeats the purpose of playing a game. This is the 1st (MMO)RPG i ever played where i have to be afk to make money instead of actually playing the game. Not to mention it requires me to run at least 1 PC 24/7 almost. If this isn't fail then i don't know what is. Back in the day you could avoid it, now you can't.

sweetjamie

Tisa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yes, you can get good gear w/o CS, but you have to merchant. Merchanting is not playing the game as an RPG. It's...idk what the hell it is, but it defeats the purpose of playing a game. This is the 1st (MMO)RPG i ever played where i have to be afk to make money instead of actually playing the game. Not to mention it requires me to run at least 1 PC 24/7 almost. If this isn't fail then i don't know what is. Back in the day you could avoid it, now you can't.

Finding ignorant people selling their items for less and then re-selling is pretty much the only good way to make coins now.

Except for the people with Herc soloing TT for mass drops of course.

Tisa - Dreamweaver

sweetjamie wrote: »

Finding ignorant people selling their items for less and then re-selling is pretty much the only good way to make coins now.

Except for the people with Herc soloing TT for mass drops of course.

Trust me, TT is dead. The only way for me to make any kind of coin with herc is farming cardbosses for the materials they drop. This doesn't solve anything though because:
1. Not everyone's a veno
2. Not every veno has a herc
3. Solo'ing TT/FBs is like watching grass grow
4. I can still make same/more money merchanting.

Reivi - Sanctuary

sweetjamie wrote: »

I'll start by saying: I am a cash shopper.



Lots of people play this game for the PvP. If I wanted PvE only I'd join some endless grinding game or do years of instances in WoW. (This game is no longer a grind as it use to be.)

You can't even come close to competing in PvP unless you put in lots of money. It's just pointless. People with G12 gems and +10 refined equipment while you're using your non-refined, G7 gems and getting killed in 1-2 hits every time.

lets troll

If you play PWi to do PVP..i pity you

there are other games out there, with a much better PvP system and rewards

PW pvp system is the poorer and weakest i ve seen those last 10 years.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

if someone think it s easier now then let he try to make money as 50-80 lvl now

tt prices are joke

molds also

h-mats- who need them if u can make cheaper wine with tokens?

dq lowered now


slowly, pwi is becoming 'pay to play game' forcing ppl to buy even just lil amounts of zen, so game wont be too painful (for hp/mp recovery, skills).


and merchandising? no kidding- u have to have money to do that and -btw- if everyone have to merchandise just to be able to earn money, there there is something wrong with game economy.

Vienna - Dreamweaver

Well, this game was '' on top ''long time with PW managment ( i quess without tons of experience in mmorpgs ), but i quess already for months getting things where is somehow to expected when people gets to greedy...it starts to go down.

It's kinda '' Inflation - recession'' what PW experts have produce. With double drops & selling everything in cash shop, and in other week they change the rules and cut double drops, but still selling ''super packs '' in cash shop. On that way they manage that people can't make coins anymore with in game mats, herbs..whatever. It' gives tons of TT mats in AH..because of double drops, and it gives even more and more of them, since people desperate run in TT and trying to make some money. On the end is AH full of mats,..and people have no coins to buy it ;p. Many trying now '' buy low, sell high '', but for many of them dosn't work, since to many
people doing this. Who cares on the end, new mmorpgs are on the way ;p, and pwi was longer a good mmorpg as many people would expected :d.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

OP: I am one of the people you speak of. To say I remember the days of 100k gold "fondly" would be the understatement of all time.

Every week now it seems like there's a new development that steps on the toes of f2p players. The DQ rate decrease is just the first time PWI has blatantly, deliberately stomped on them (since Failure Packs came out, anyway). Anyone who thinks gold is going to go down as a result of this... well, I pity those people. Gold's going to stay the same. Merchants who sit on their rears with half a dozen shop accounts eating up bandwidth are getting richer. People who actually play the game, spend time killing the actual monsters, are getting poorer.

I feel like I'm watching the only MMO I've ever liked implode.

Ursa - Dreamweaver

I play this game before Dreamweaver opened (and some time before on PW-MY). Tried Sanct first, got a fail LA wiz to about 35 then quit for DW.
Yeah, it was nice when you could finance yourself through quests/drops. I think I didn't use the CS for 70 levels or so (well, I charged like 10$ or 20$ just to buy a mount or some fashion cause I was too lazy to farm it, but nothing to massively improve gameplay).
When the first jolly event came out, I didn't know what the hell I was doing. I sold flawless shards from pack and bought jolly food that last me until the second Jolly. Sold some of it and financed my gear and expenses for about 40 lvls. That one got me on the wrong foot, cause it came right after I spent 13 millions (YES , 13 MILLIONS) on undine and soporific whisper.
Ppl with good game knowledge got very rich after the first jolly event. I know some that had at least 100 mil when that event ended. Then second jolly event got them up in the 500-600 million mark (one person I know had 100k jolly food, bought with 300-500 coins during event and sold it after that with ~3k.)
Economy was firing on all cylinders. There were ways to make money. I was farming/selling high mats for about 600-800k profit/hour + herbs that were on my farm route for TW pots.
Then anni packs came out ... and everything came to a halt.
Now nothing else matters but cash and anni pack gear.
Anni packs would have been nice if PWI would have keept the sale for the original 2 weeks intended. But the sheer greed could not be stopped. Anni packs made cash pour in PWI pockets, and for a while they were on a high horse.

BUT ... there is always a BUT. They did not anticipate the future turn of events. They expected ppl to keep puring money into the anni packs/coral pack/tiger packs/****ing packs, but the market saturated. The ones that could afford the gear got it, the other ones just can't afford it and won't get it because the economy and ballance of it got screwed big time. Now, the ones that pured money into the game stopped doing so. Once having incredible gear, farming TTs for gold drops was a 1-2 man job. So exactly the ppl that poured soo much money in this game stopped doing so because they just started making a ****load of cash from ingame instances. That hurt PWI really bad, and in the desperation for cahs they just threw out there another instance with **** drops (Nirvana - same map as fb109 on private servers, just parts of it cut out - what a ****ing joke) that the couldn't even think properly to make it non-soloable. They put a **** 6 man limit to open it....but then? I know at least 5 ppl from the top of my head that can solo that instance on dreamweaver and at least another 30 that can do it in a 2 man squad.
Then they put a huuuuuge sale on +10 DOs. Nice, but when ppl tried to recast their +10 gear in nirvana, refine was lost. So they put a stone in boutique that will avoid that. And launched a pack that gave Nirvana drops.
Do you see the pattern here? Desperation coming from all sides.

Now BOI is launched in CB for 2 weeks, and in open Beta 2 days after. FW is almost done and there are at least another 2 other games in work at PWE.
PWI is on life support because of the greed and bad management from PWE. PWI servers will have in the end the same fate as the MY ones. Merge and wipe. PWI is the past of PWE, BOI and FW are the future.
I will keep playing this game for a while, cause I don't have any other MMOs with a endgame char and I don't have the time to raise one. I'm really sorry about the turn of events, but this game has a lot of good parts in it.

I'm really starting to appreciate now the ones I lvled up with and left when Anni packs came out: Seraphim, Qultor, Zeldor and many, many others I can't remember right now. Those guys told me right there, on the second day of anni packs sale: " this game is not worth it anymore". I didn't believe them, I thought " well, maybe...maybe....". But they were sooooooo right. They were visionaries. They were the ones that knew this game inside out, probably even better then I know it right now. And honestly, if I would have been in their shoes , with the knowledge I have right now about this game, I would have quit the same way they did without looking back.
But I stayed and learnt from my own mistakes. I don't regret it , I'm just convinced I didn't make the right choice back then.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Is it actually easier to level and more difficult to make money these days?

Until this 20% DQ nerf, the rate of making money in PWI on DQ and normal mob drops has not changed. It's far easier to level and it's much more difficult to save up money because people level up so fast.

I think the only real reason people were complaining too much pre DQ nerf was because they were too lazy to take the time and grind DQ from mobs, farm herbs and mine mats and sold what they didn't need. They spend the majority of time running BHs which cost you more money than they make as you have to usually pay a wine fees and pay teleport costs.

Before, when you were questing, you would rarely see the inside of a city and would be at your grinding and quest location for days or weeks only going into town to turn in your quests, pick up new ones and perhaps go to a city to check or sell something in the AH...

That trend is completely reversed... most people hardly ever spend time at their appropriate level locationsl, don't grind a couple extra hours after a quest ends because DQ is dropping well and don't farm mats or herbs as much because they're too busy/worried/stressed about getting their stupid BH done.

Nobody grabs a training esoterica and grinds vipions, foxies, bats, butterflies, fishies, clams, etc... anymore when they can get the same XP in 1/10th of the time from doing their BHs.

PequetteV - Lost City wrote: »

then first slap chest of coins gold instantaly double price to go 300k so people wasnt able to make money from chest (perfect hammer was in same time)

*facepalm*

Gold was already over 200k on Lost City when the chest of coins came out. There was never a time when you could get a hammer cheaper than the coins that would open it.

Nakhimov - Lost City

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Gold was already over 200k on Lost City when the chest of coins came out. There was never a time when you could get a hammer cheaper than the coins that would open it.

And even if it had been, it would've spiked right up to 200k b:shocked

Brilliant work PWI, with chest of coins gold will never go under 200k under ANY circumstances.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

Hey, I LIKE doing my killquests. They're relaxing, in most cases. But now it feels like I'm getting penalized for just playing the game in the way it was originally intended. >_<

FYI Michael: There was a time on HT when you could buy gold for 190k+ post-coinchests. It didn't last long, but it was there. -_-

Mosz - Heavens Tear

whoever said they do not need a herc end game enjoy farming 3-3 when every mob and aoe 1 hits your pet?

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Mosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

whoever said they do not need a herc end game enjoy farming 3-3 when every mob and aoe 1 hits your pet?

I kinda lol at the thought of a veno trying to solo or dual veno a 3-3. I can't even pretend to imagine how long that would take... except that a party with a fist bm, veno and two clerics could probably do 5 runs in that same time.

Granrey - Sanctuary

I think the topic is very complex to give a simple answer.

TT mats.

When I was between level 60-80. All that I needed to do to get my TT mats was to have a high level veno friend (or high level barb/cleric) to run TT for me. So, I only had to worry about the subs.

Keep in mind, high levels had no issues running TT for you (at least for me), since they had nothing to do.

Right now, nobody has time to help but TT mats are cheaper than before (now some guilds give TT60 gear for free)


I used to buy gold at 100k. I was able to have charms and afford CS. I cant have charms and I cant afford CS anymore. but again you dont need the exps anymore due to BH (I only do BH if I get a free wine cost spot) and you dont need charms since high level gear makes you almost inmune to death in PVE.


What I know for sure is that PWI is totally diferent game, some items that before were probably unafordable are afordable now due to the flood of these items thanks to the BH. getting a mold was very expensive as well as skill books (many people dont even care about those drops).

Honestly, I dont know which times were better but maybe but if you ignore items mall probably the game is more afordable now if you play old style and have old timer goals.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Preface: The title of this thread is half-ironic.

It used to be, gold was 100-120k each, and you could grind that in about an hour (give or take). Now gold is at 400k+, and drops are being nerfed so its even MORE difficult to make money. Stay tuned for ensuing reality....

When gold was 120k, flawess citrines sold for 800k+. Ultimate substances were a flat 60k each, which meant half an hour of grinding coin. There were no sesame/herb yuanxiao for clerics; read: running TT meant burning a charm.

Furthermore, there was no bounty hunter, but we had zhen squads. These squads cost (during my 6x) around 50k an hour, after computing charm/esoterica. They gave me in the order of 15-25%, give or take, depending on squad. All of you 6x can compare this with your BH rate. 7x can compare this with BH combined with wine fees. Here I would actually like some input.

Also, there was rebirth to do. Gamma is not as effective these days, because hp charms are so expensive for bms and barbs that they just go for the cheaper bh alternative. But back in the day, you could get a charm for 400k.

Point of this thread.....Is it actually easier to level and more difficult to make money these days? Flawless shard prices have been cut by 75%, ultimate subs by 50%, and expensive zhen/rebirth with free (or cheap wine fee with tokens) bounty hunter.

I want people who played before packs came out, even before the jolly jones event last August, to give some input here. Michael_dark, I'm looking at you. Are we really worse off? Think about what I've said before you post, please

Edit: Forgot a few things. With current gold prices/drop rates, getting a herc/nix without spending real money is more difficult. Also, My zhen costs are as a cleric: for barb/bm (or veno puller, even), they were profiting 50k ish an hour. Wizard/archer share similar costs to my own.

I remember when happy meals from mcD's were $2.07 w/ tax. How much is it now 3 something? Ah the good old days...

zhen squads are another story tho. If you continued it you loose quite a lot moreso than BH wines. (mage sandbags anyone?) Only thing good was that you could literally sleep on the job as long as pple didnt die >.>

Before: Harder to lvl, easier to make money
Now: Harder to make money, easier to lvl

Tojop - Dreamweaver

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Before: Harder to lvl, easier to make money
Now: Harder to make money, easier to lvl[/COLOR]

Harder to grind coin and turn it into gold? Yes. Harder to grind coin and turn it into non-gold items? Definitely not. That's the point I was trying to make. Beautiful citrines used to sell at the price flawless shards are currently at. Think about that for a minute.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Harder to grind coin and turn it into gold? Yes. Harder to grind coin and turn it into non-gold items? Definitely not. That's the point I was trying to make. Beautiful citrines used to sell at the price flawless shards are currently at. Think about that for a minute.

your beating a dead horse >.>
i used to have beautifuls sharded in my lv80 gear and that was the WOW THAT PERSON GOT SPARKLE EFFECTS ON THEIR GEAR thing back then. It sure isnt gonna come back. Reminiscing about the old days prices are just going to make you feel very sad. seriously. My friend always tells me "I try not to look back", and yeah hes gotten slapped in the face couple times by pwi. But he tries to find the good in things and enjoys the game for what its for. pple interaction. (and yes hes a active lv100)

Quilue - Sanctuary

i don't see high gold prices as a problem. it is high because people deemed packs worth that much.

however, there are things that people don't think should be worth that much, that they want but can't have when gold is at 400k. my suggestion has always been to have packs and a simultaneous sale on other stuff. they sort of do this with charm packs, but it doesn't always happen.

if they have to have packs, make a lot of desirables go on sale at the same time so people can cope.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »

it is way too easy to make money .... if your a cash shopper.

This is utrue as a zen buyer I have less coin than most players around my lvl when I look at their gear.I can not even afford TT90 gear or TT90 weapon.We zen buyers will onky buy so much as we are budgeted to.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

This is utrue as a zen buyer I have less coin than most players around my lvl when I look at their gear.I can not even afford TT90 gear or TT90 weapon.We zen buyers will onky buy so much as we are budgeted to.

No point even saying anyting. In case you have not noticed, people just like to complain for the sake of complaining.

If you look up all the complaining from September, when the packs were out, you will see people are using the exact same arguments in the oposite situtation (increased income, prices going up).

In sept people were saying there was too much money, and prices were being driven up, and how new players would not join because things were too expensive, and how PWI was going to die in 3 weeks "when that new game came out".

Nine months later.... "This will reduce the income of new players, which will make less money, and they will not stay, and older players will leave and this game will die"....

In case you have not noticed, just like in RL, people that dont spend/have money expect and think they are entitled to the money of people that work hard and have money. Cash Shoppers, even though they are the only reason PWI is even up and running and is able to offer the game for free for everyone else, are seen as the evil ones.....