DQ Drops NPC-Price Dropped 20%

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

FitHitDShan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Let's be clear about this. Perfect World Entertainment is the company running PWI - hiring GMs, administering the servers, and making a modicum of localization decisions. If they were a separate entity licensing the code, your point might have a sliver of relevance (although anyone licensing the fundamental code of their product without any contractual control over changes to that code deserves scorn). In fact, though, PWE has clearly stated that they are a US subsidiary of the Chinese company which does the code development and runs PW-CN. All the nonsense posts about not blaming "the GMs" (or, more appropriately, any of the people at PWE) for things controlled by "the devs" display a level of naivete that is disturbing. If your bank lost all your money and you went to your local branch office to complain, would you be satisfied when they said "That wasn't us - the parent company of this bank lost your money." If so, you deserve the run-around you are getting.

Yes, but let's say that PWI GMs would like to open Arena. Dev's say no. There is absolutely nothing they can do. So while you are right that they both are hired by the same company, GMs have no power to do anything that has something to do with game code or mechanics unless Dev's let them do that.

Acky - Harshlands

oxytorch wrote: »

Interesting.... Go to youtube and type in the search best mmorpgs 2010 (or whatever) . I have not seen Perfect World International in anyones line up (please advise me if you find such a vid on youtube) .. RIP pwi is so sad to type

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjvrAo5ZQDQ <-- pwi on 3rd place on that list...

Admante - Dreamweaver

The PWI part did not show one actual scene of gameplay. It was all cinematics concerning some storyline that even we do not know.

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

Honestly, I'm a little mad that PWI is dropping the price for DQ items,
I mean thing about it:
Most of us get coins by grinding and selling the DQ items/taking all the coins that drop. Well atleast I do when I don't have the money for buying and selling gold.
Now, - 20% on the price of ALL the DQ items you get from grinding and that obviously equals less money for all the non CSers out there. (Again, I CAN buy gold but this is rare lately and I'm relying on quests to fullfill my coin stash until GM's resolve my 2000 zen issue.)
So now it's kinda like PWI is saying "GOOOOO TT AND PRAY YOU GET GREAT DROPS YOU CAN SELL" or "GO CUBE AND HOPE TO GET THAT .1% DROP CHANCE FOR THE 1MIL BOX" or "GO CS FOR COINS!"
I'm not trying to diss the PW staff, but we all know it's easier to buy Gold and sell it than any other money making thing now, I think they're taking advantage of it.

I mean, after killing 70 some mobs, I made about 50k, enough for 1 skill to upgrade. But after the 20% takes place... it's gonna cut by around 7.5k coins, since about 38k of those coins come from DQ items.

Mitties - Dreamweaver

*sigh*

I can't say my real opinion, because the rules outlaw certain 'language'. Suffice to say I am not happy.

Still, it will be interesting to see how the devs respond to this. Their reaction will prove their percieved relationship with us, the customers. If they truly don't care about us, they won't do anything about this. If they do care, they'll put a halt to this plan, or at least try to balance it out. Personally, after their response to the reaction over the Perfect Horn, I'm rather optimistic. They proved with that they do listen to us, or at least read what we're writing. And a 92% disapproval rate must catch some attention. (And if they try to pull one over on us by saying that the majority of the players like the idea, we can point them to this thread and your 'you're wrong' youtube link of choice.)

P.S.: Am I the only one who finds it fascinating how much PWI mirrors America's real-world economy?

P.P.S.: If it does occur, it'll be interesting to see what it does to the price of Gold.

some1stolemynickname

I've never made a post here, mainly because I'm playing the game. Though, I feel obligated to object.

It's tough enough to raise coin for pots/repairs/etc. The 20% decrease will make it near impossible to gain enough coin for our in-game needs within a reasonable time. I don't understand the reasoning behind it in the first place. Most people buy gold to sell for coin.

The decrease will have a major negative effect on not only the players. It'd be a chain reaction like a downward spiral. First, a lot of people will stop playing, thus less customers, or possible customers. Next the prices in catshops and gold will have to drop, or nothing will sell due to the lack of coin, therefore making gold less worthwhile to buy. After all is said and done, the entire game will be solely based on a race to collect coin....not very fun.

I have a lvl82 archer who needs coin for arrows, repairs, pots, skills, mats, armors/weapons/jewelry, etc etc etc etc. I pretty much break even after a TT/BH/FB run after selling things i find along the way. About 60% comes from the random DQ items that drop.

So where does this leave me? The 20% decrease would be a "GAME OVER" for me.


BAD IDEA!!

Hakiii - Heavens Tear

All I have to say is the majority of CS'ers could of played a P2P game for at least four years now, when combining a lets say 15$ a month fee.
I could of played a P2P game my entire life if I combined all the 'F2P' games.
IJS
Leaving PW is starting to sound like a good investment.

Darksylph - Heavens Tear

FitHitDShan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Let's be clear about this. Perfect World Entertainment is the company running PWI - hiring GMs, administering the servers, and making a modicum of localization decisions. If they were a separate entity licensing the code, your point might have a sliver of relevance (although anyone licensing the fundamental code of their product without any contractual control over changes to that code deserves scorn). In fact, though, PWE has clearly stated that they are a US subsidiary of the Chinese company which does the code development and runs PW-CN. All the nonsense posts about not blaming "the GMs" (or, more appropriately, any of the people at PWE) for things controlled by "the devs" display a level of naivete that is disturbing. If your bank lost all your money and you went to your local branch office to complain, would you be satisfied when they said "That wasn't us - the parent company of this bank lost your money." If so, you deserve the run-around you are getting.

The metaphor isnt quite accurate. Blaming GMs isnt akin to blaming the local branch of your bank. Its closer to blaming the bank tellers at your local branch. GMs are nothing more then that, and have zero control or even influence in the decisions of PWI, PWE, or PW-Beijing.

Mitties - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Still, it will be interesting to see how the devs respond to this. Their reaction will prove their percieved relationship with us, the customers. If they truly don't care about us, they won't do anything about this. If they do care, they'll put a halt to this plan, or at least try to balance it out. Personally, after their response to the reaction over the Perfect Horn, I'm rather optimistic. They proved with that they do listen to us, or at least read what we're writing. And a 92% disapproval rate must catch some attention. (And if they try to pull one over on us by saying that the majority of the players like the idea, we can point them to this thread and your 'you're wrong' youtube link of choice.)

The perfect horns was a slightly different situational fix. In that case, PWE in North America had a medium of control. Since they are given the ability to control to Boutique, they were able to remove the horns from the boutique. However, the code for using Perfect Horns is still in the game, and on occasion, ppl who stocked up on horns still shoot their mouths off in unfilterable horn chat. PW-Beijing however showed they didnt give a rats butt about us & left the Perfect Horns in the game. In the instance of DQ -20% as well as the reduced Mirages from 3*, there is no measure of control that PWE of North America can excercise any level of control over as its simply handed to them in the patches of game code.

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear

Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The metaphor isnt quite accurate. Blaming GMs isnt akin to blaming the local branch of your bank. Its closer to blaming the bank tellers at your local branch. GMs are nothing more then that, and have zero control or even influence in the decisions of PWI, PWE, or PW-Beijing.




The perfect horns was a slightly different situational fix. In that case, PWE in North America had a medium of control. Since they are given the ability to control to Boutique, they were able to remove the horns from the boutique. However, the code for using Perfect Horns is still in the game, and on occasion, ppl who stocked up on horns still shoot their mouths off in unfilterable horn chat. PW-Beijing however showed they didnt give a rats butt about us & left the Perfect Horns in the game. In the instance of DQ -20% as well as the reduced Mirages from 3*, there is no measure of control that PWE of North America can excercise any level of control over as its simply handed to them in the patches of game code.

So what you are saying is, they have no control over watching THEIR investment slowly die because someone else calls the shots? I don't really believe that. It would be like you buying a website and the host telling you what you can and can't put on it. Not gonna happen. They have more control then you think, they just want you to *think* they don't.

Airyll - Dreamweaver

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So what you are saying is, they have no control over watching THEIR investment slowly die because someone else calls the shots? I don't really believe that. It would be like you buying a website and the host telling you what you can and can't put on it. Not gonna happen. They have more control then you think, they just want you to *think* they don't.

Actually I'm inclined to disagree.

The devs being in China, PWE probably has a bunch of translators to speak to these people so they can find out what's coming up in future content. But they do not have their own coders to make their own content.

You have to remember that Perfect World Internation has branched off from a mother company and it's probably more profitable for PWE to have the devs in China code this game so they don't have to pay extra people.

So I do believe, on this account, you're mistaken. PWE has control over what comes and goes in the boutique, they have control of minor bug fixes (and yet they never happen anyway) and that really seems to be about it, because everything else is duplicated from the CN servers.

Darksylph - Heavens Tear

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So what you are saying is, they have no control over watching THEIR investment slowly die because someone else calls the shots? I don't really believe that. It would be like you buying a website and the host telling you what you can and can't put on it. Not gonna happen. They have more control then you think, they just want you to *think* they don't.

Remember this is PW-Beijings game. PWE-NA is just an acting liason. Its not an investment by them, its an investment by PW-Beijing. So no, its not "THEIR" investment at all, PWE is just a subsidiary, not a licensee. All money invested is from China. And they believe these measures are necessary. And they view their primary audience as the players of PW-CN, and we're just a side project. As far as they're concerned, if players can & do **** in PW-CN, so will they here.

Jennalicious - Sanctuary

Hakiii - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Leaving PW is starting to sound like a good investment.

Fully agree, however I think a lot of other players feel the same way that I do. PWI is an awesome game, however the company that runs it isn't. I love the gameplay, but I hate seeing greed destroy it. Starting over on a new game is frustrating. When my previous mmorpg shut down, the majority of it's players went to one of two other games: PWI and the one I am currently downloading (which is taking forever because it is bigger than PWI). I hated PWI at first because I was used to my previous mmorpg, and having to learn a new one was complicated. After a while I learned the ropes, rerolled several times, and finally got used and comfortable to everything. Having to go through that again is a pain, but it's either play another mmorpg or play nothing. PWI will NEVER go back to being how great it was way back when, and I don't see it changing for the better EVER. IMHO, PWE doesn't care whether they lose players on PWI. They just released a new game a few days ago, and another one is being released later in the year (which is pretty much PWI 2). They'll milk those two markets for all they're worth and leave PWI behind.

I actually tried the new one that was just released. I leveled to 30 in a matter of a few hours and didn't even make 10k in coins. I started to shake my head when I began seeing people asking in world chat how they can make money in the game. That game shares the same flaw in this game, and it's just a matter of time before it shares the other flaws as well.

Honestly, all this rage isn't about the drop in dq price. This is just the final straw for most of us. Most of us have taken a lot from this company and kept playing in the hopes that things would change for the better. We never became happy about things again, but we kept on hoping. This dq news made us say. "No more!". One can only take so much before saying the hell with it. Even if they decided to not lower dq prices, the damage is still done, and the people know that it's just a matter of time before another stunt like this one is pulled. No game is worth dumping thousands of dollars into, or even hundreds in my opinion. NONE!

Some others stay because there just aren't any other good mmorpgs out there. I tried several others and they all sucked. Hopefully this one I'm downloading won't follow in their footsteps.

I suggest that if you don't like the way PWI has turned out, then leave it and just move on. All the rage on the forums, justified as it might be, will do nothing. Think of PWI as the Titanic, and it hit an iceberg. We're made to believe that we won't sink and everything is fine, but do you want to take that chance, or get off of it before it does sink? Me personally, I'm on a life boat heading to land. For those who decide to stay, I hope you can swim.

Ephimer - Raging Tide

Lets stop talking about the lowering of DQ items for a moment here since we all KNOW it is a horrid and pitiful idea...

Here are a few things that will need to happen if the game is to ever make a well needed recovery ESPECIALLY IF DQ item prices are lowered ((Meant for the PWI Staff but players feel free to read...I wouldn't have typed it if it was not meant to be at least quickly glanced over by you all as well.)) :

1: Drop rates for ALL items will need to be increased a MINIMUM of 2x

2: Drop amount of coins will need to be increased a MINIMUM of 2x (this is to make up for the loss of coins from the DQ price drop.)

3: Exp will require a PERMENANT 2x increase. (however Oracles desperately need to vanish or at least be available ONLY through a certain daily quest which gives a maximum of 2 oracles. I am tired of seeing high level losers who can not play their class, because they took an easy and very expensive path with Oracles...Mass amount of Pity to all of you who do such a thing. I can understand needing extra help once in awhile but 30-90 is a load of bs...) ((This is to ensure players have a little easier time in game and are able to keep their mind off the sky-rocketing or deep-sea diving prices...))

4: Clothing will REQUIRE a color selection choice. (This can EASILY be done in the Boutique. You already have it to where we can preview the selected article of clothing, now just make it to where the color we preview it with IS the color we get. It is not that hard at all...) ((This will makes dyes obsolete so we can focus our few coins on other things to buy and sell effectively bringing the market focus to another item that at that time would be of much larger use. Dyes should be able to be sold to NPCs for a set price of 500k to 1mil.)

5: New skills will be REQUIRED for all classes and some skills will need to be fixed. (For example: The first two skills of a Psychic need to be swapped...Why is the water skill using a earth skill effect and the earth skill using a water skill effect? I call BS on that...Also, Psychics should be able to at least use the first two abilities and knock-back in Tideform. Melee Psychic? I smell a fail...)

6: The newer players should have a PRIVATE INSTANCE for the first few levels of the game (lets say for the sake of imagination 1-5) This will give them each hints and tips for their class as well as a better understanding of the game. ((As many people have stated before...Keep the players happy and you will have a successful game))

Finally...

7: FIX ZEN PAYMENTS OF ALL KINDS! Your player base is not just in California or Texas, but all over the world. If someone can not use mobile payments in their region then MAKE IT WHERE THEY CAN. While on the subject of Mobile Payments. FIX THE PRICES. $29.99 for 2100 Zen (21 Gold) is plan IGNORANT. Use Boku if Paymo is going to be greedy. I hate to bring this up here but... If Gaiaonline.com can succeed at mobile payments then you should be able to as well Perfect World International.

We all understand that the economy is in the depths yet even so we also understand that foolishness is only a way to end ourselves sooner than needed. To be a fool in this day and age is to sign your life away, be it literally or figuratively. You, PWI, are signing your death warrant every day by asking players to spend untold amounts of money that they do not have on items that are of little use or attraction. Now you wish to take away one of the few ways true free players can stay alive in this game. We who come here daily to escape from the troubles of day to day life, or simply to hang out with new people, request not as players, but as human beings. Be fair to us and we will forever be fair to you.

Readers:

Please pardon my poor grammar, spelling, massive wall of text...

Seralyish - Harshlands

I agree with most ppl here.
It's time to find any nice REAL F2P game I recommend WOW priv server. Gonna try it again ;D
Or maybe danceinpw.com? U can get something without paying 1000000000000000$
Thx and cya never pwe.

FoxyCleo - Raging Tide

Still waiting on an official statement.

Cholla - Harshlands

It might be the case that the people making decisions about game changes based on coins need to examine the game a little closer.

I can easily imagine that they are making decisions based on aggregate numbers and that the aggregation methods leave out important details.

Aadi - Lost City

Jennalicious - Sanctuary wrote: »

I suggest that if you don't like the way PWI has turned out, then leave it and just move on. All the rage on the forums, justified as it might be, will do nothing. Think of PWI as the Titanic, and it hit an iceberg. We're made to believe that we won't sink and everything is fine, but do you want to take that chance, or get off of it before it does sink? Me personally, I'm on a life boat heading to land. For those who decide to stay, I hope you can swim.

Except, if you waited until the Titanic sank, you would...oh I don't know...die.

If you keep playing PWI, you might spend a few months playing a game that other people don't find enjoyable.

I hate when people use analogies that are completely out of proportion to the severity of the situation.

CandyCorn - Raging Tide

Just waiting till August when this b2p mmorpg comes out b:laugh well the 2nd one the first one was a hit and still has many people in it but till then if pw keeps pulling this **** and not even giving us FUN events = the full Christmas even with trees Santa etc.. /quit

Michael_Dark - Lost City

_Kahn_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

can you tell me at least 5 ways and make a nice tutorial for it. I would love to know 5 more ways of how i can make 10 times more money easier than selling that DQ Stuff.

I'm not Rose, but I'll give you a few ways might not be 10 times easier, but definitely easier than grinding.

Mid-mats. The rate you can mine these will generate you more coin than grinding, however you'll benefit the most if you have a land mount... and you also need to figure out a route. If subs are at 50k, a good rouute can make you 10 or more subs an hour. Try Sundown Town and the areas surrounding it.

High-mats. Not as much demand for them, but they still sell. With low wine prices it should be easy to farm them in harshlands/avalanche canyon.

Herbs. Until you can farm heaven/hell, not as lucrative, but you can still make more money from these as you can from grinding. Butterfly Herbs in particular are a quest herb, so is Golden Herb. Sell them in AH, 5 for 10-15k. They sell, not always all of them at the first time, but if you're getting 2-3k ea, and you get 2-3 each time you pick one, that's a decent coin for the amount of work. 1k, dreaming cloud, various places around the map. Even low herbs... one particular route I know can give you about 100 of each low herb in about an hour with a land mount. Even if you sell them at 250 coins each, that's 1m an hour.

I would say farm 1-3 and 2-1 at your level, but 2x drops pretty much ruined that market. You can still make some coin, but it used to be quite profitable if you're doing money runs, now you need to get lucky with drops.

Sadly, 2x drops has only kept 3-3 from being really profitable, and 2-2 and 3-1 can be good if you get lucky.

Ephimer - Raging Tide wrote: »

....
Gimmie. Gimmie. Gimmie. Gimmie.
.....

Please pardon my poor grammar, spelling, massive wall of text...

Just... NO.

laalo

I am lv 27, DQ item is MY LIFE!!!!

Without i cant have large coin to repair my barb equip!!!!

b:angry b:cry

Alliptica - Raging Tide

lol like a lvl 27 even knows what DQ is

Alliptica - Raging Tide

and remember ppl, DQ items are not being taken away. u still have your large coin. just not as large :P

CandyCorn - Raging Tide

Alliptica - Raging Tide wrote: »

and remember ppl, DQ items are not being taken away. u still have your large coin. just not as large :P

Ok so you let this go and the 3* star decompose go.....hhmmm

Next week: Hey Guys Were are changing FC and TT, you will now need 1mil to enter..

Next week: 20% decrease on mob drops ^^ and 2x gold
Next week:....

The point is if you let this go there just going to keep making it worse and worse. PERIOD

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

CandyCorn - Raging Tide wrote: »

Ok so you let this go and the 3* star decompose go.....hhmmm

Next week: Hey Guys Were are changing FC and TT, you will now need 1mil to enter..

Next week: 20% decrease on mob drops ^^ and 2x gold
Next week:....

The point is if you let this go there just going to keep making it worse and worse. PERIOD

Won't go like this. It all comes to back to preventing hackers. Ask someone what the bots do, and you can predict what will be done next. Simple

CandyCorn - Raging Tide

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Won't go like this. It all comes to back to preventing hackers. Ask someone what the bots do, and you can predict what will be done next. Simple

It will get to this my point if they don't do something to stop the hackers/bot instead of the community.

Alliptica - Raging Tide

CandyCorn - Raging Tide wrote: »

Ok so you let this go and the 3* star decompose go.....hhmmm

Next week: Hey Guys Were are changing FC and TT, you will now need 1mil to enter..

Next week: 20% decrease on mob drops ^^ and 2x gold
Next week:....

The point is if you let this go there just going to keep making it worse and worse. PERIOD

and when that happens i will quit the game

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Alliptica - Raging Tide wrote: »

lol like a lvl 27 even knows what DQ is

Are you freaking kidding? That's one of the only ways a low level can make some money.

In economics there's the revenue, and there's the profit. Revenue is money you get, profit is what you get after expenses. If this keeps nerfed barbs will be unable to get a profit because their revenue will be lower than the expenses (repair costs, etc).

You still don't get it do you? A move like this is equivalent to rising ALL NPC prices, repairs, pots, skills, you name it. How can that be a good thing? Seriously stop being so selfish.

Are you just another troll? I thought better of you Alliptica.

SilverCleric - Lost City

CandyCorn - Raging Tide wrote: »

Ok so you let this go and the 3* star decompose go.....hhmmm

Next week: Hey Guys Were are changing FC and TT, you will now need 1mil to enter..

Next week: 20% decrease on mob drops ^^ and 2x gold
Next week:....

The point is if you let this go there just going to keep making it worse and worse. PERIOD

If that would happen PW is pretty much saying "You are required to cash shop to play this game." and just about everyone will quit playing this game.

CandyCorn - Raging Tide

SilverCleric - Lost City wrote: »

If that would happen PW is pretty much saying "You are required to cash shop to play this game." and just about everyone will quit playing this game.

-drum roll- DING DING DING YOU WIN lol there pretty much getting to that...

Hyper & Oracles = to be the highest lvl you MUST use (not saying that you do but putting it into the cash shopping way)

Packs= you want the best gear? -makes lunar glade 1mil to enter and make FC mat drops not appear anymore- you have to buy these

...Btw why we not having those fun events anymore (the full version, llike the last year valentines event).
Btw i do not blame all this on the GMs ;o

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary

Ephimer - Raging Tide wrote: »

1: Drop rates for ALL items will need to be increased a MINIMUM of 2x

2: Drop amount of coins will need to be increased a MINIMUM of 2x (this is to make up for the loss of coins from the DQ price drop.)

3: Exp will require a PERMENANT 2x increase.

People wonder why the developers don't listen, even when polls are running 92% in favour of "Don't do this!".

The above poster is the reason why.

When they hear people griping, they translate it into people thinking, "If only everything was easier/cheaper/faster, then the game would be so much better!" But of course that's nonsense.

Ephimer - Raging Tide wrote: »

4: Clothing will REQUIRE a color selection choice.

And this is where the above poster jumps to a whole new level of cluelessness and "gimmie gimmie!"-ness by declaring that the devs need to abandon a revenue generating system that affects absolutely nobody's ability to play the game for free, is completely optional, and has no harmful effects on game balance.

Again, this is why the devs don't listen. They think we're all like this guy, even though we aren't.