The FB Stops Here

AeonieX - Heavens Tear

hawkflight wrote: »

This goes out to everybody who thinks you need a 9x character to do your FB19 for you. Or any FB, really. Everybody says, for example, "You can't do FB29 at level 35! It's suicide! You have to get a level 8x character to do it for you."

I say to thee, shut up. If you have any little bit of skill, you can do it. You only need 3 characters. A tank with an HP charm, a cleric (for healing and buffs), and a veno. With those 3 characters, you can do any FB of your level with few problems. The other three are up to your discretion. Extra tank to step in in an emergency, another cleric to help the first heal the tank, extra spellcasters for damage output, WHATEVER.

And you know what? All of these characters are, at most, the level of the final boss. Every last one of them.

So higher-level players, stop insulting us. Lower-level players, stop QQing and use some skill. The design team wouldn't have made it FB-whatever if people of that level couldn't beat it.

tl;dr Anybody of level x9 can beat FBx9 if they use simple tactics.

Sounds like someone hasn't had FB's helped with higher lvls before.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

AeonieX - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sounds like someone hasn't had FB's helped with higher lvls before.

The early high level people on a server had to do their fbs with same our lower leveled people. I never had anyone more than a couple levels higher than me do my fb.

Yulk - Heavens Tear

To the OP, yes it can be done... but for complete success, it needs to be done by X+1 to x+11.

Not clear enough?
Lets say FB19 untamed, which can be duoed against rend razor Jaw without a cleric, you need to be from LVL20 and above to do FB. 20-29 is the best drop rate. Best to save HP charm from that leap / fly quest. This is the easiest for an FB.
Barb / Veno have to tank Razor Jaw, for now, the glacial walker have LVL2 tough, so make sure the veno and barb switch between arggo during tough pet's skill cooldown, safer and less tough. Because no one is going to heal the tank unless the pet tanks for 15 secs on tough buff.
BM have to tank and wizzie have to watch the HP of that BM, marrows for BM will help and he will need a lot of P.DEF for this. So it will be easier for heals but wizzie might have a lot less time to DD
Archer have to tank FB19... at least I think b:surrender hardest one I bet. But the cleric have to watch the archer's HP and the cleric have no choice but to spam heal the archer.

FB29, you need enough HP and P.DEF / Element DEF to tank Qingzi. Either a barb or wizzie have to tank this, most likely a wizzie have to tank (or kite?) Qingzi with at least 1k HP and 3k earth res. It can be done by 30-39 for best drop rate. Also a cleric / wizard to heal the tank.


However, if you don't want higher levels to help you do FBs, no need to make a thread about it.


Now BHs should be a better challenge, which needs to be changed. But people have to stop doing the new system BH and actually try doing FBs around their LVL. Hard? Its supposed to be challenging. The devs made a bad move on the most part to make a powerleveling game.


Although I might support BH (which I don't), but it needs beefing up. Starting at 40, people should do BH39 instead of BH29. Same reward, but each random boss daily, only done once. Wines will not effect on the BH quests and no one higher leveled than X9 (39, 49 etc) are allowed. Which will keep people on their toes and actually learn to play.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Do you want to feel like you've accomplished something, or do you want your FB run safe, quickly and correctly? You generally don't get both.

I don't really get anything from anything lower than FB59. I'll only do fb19, 29 and 39 if it's a friend's alt or something... and they know I'll make sure to get all their quest mobs in one run... including fb51.

Drop rates? Yeah, regular drop rates for NPC food are nerfed, but additional drops such as molds remain the same no matter what level your party is. You're less likely to have molds stolen when you have higher level players run your fbs. I don't care about any of the drops in fbs and dump my inventory at the end.

And, it's up to the tabber who goes, if they don't want someone in party, they have every right to dictate who comes or goes. I really don't care. lol

Must - Lost City

I tanked my own fb 59 without charm, and i must remind u thaat back in the day there were no genies **** and the best tome ppl had was the **** xtmas bless wich i didnt had...

BTW lvl 60s cant do all fbs from 19 to 59... i really dont see ur point on this thread...

PS without charm....

Or whow do u think the first persons getting high lvl do theyr fbs???????b:angryb:angry

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Drop rates? Yeah, regular drop rates for NPC food are nerfed, but additional drops such as molds remain the same no matter what level your party is. You're less likely to have molds stolen when you have higher level players run your fbs. I don't care about any of the drops in fbs and dump my inventory at the end.l

Wrong. Most molds aren't additional drops. For example: http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/8245

Telarith - Sanctuary

Must - Lost City wrote: »

I tanked my own fb 59 without charm, and i must remind u thaat back in the day there were no genies **** and the best tome ppl had was the **** xtmas bless wich i didnt had...

BTW lvl 60s cant do all fbs from 19 to 59... i really dont see ur point on this thread...

PS without charm....

Or whow do u think the first persons getting high lvl do theyr fbs???????b:angryb:angry

Tomes? What were tomes back in those FB levels.....?

Also, lvl 60s can easily do FB59. We did a tab run with two level 60s, two 59s, a 62, and a 64 BM who tanked. Only one death when we tried using wizzie as tank on water boss, after that BM tanked and we had no issues. If people can't do their FBs at lvl or within 5 lvls on all characters, it's because they are terrible at playing.

Must - Lost City

Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »

Tomes? What were tomes back in those FB levels.....?

Also, lvl 60s can easily do FB59. We did a tab run with two level 60s, two 59s, a 62, and a 64 BM who tanked. Only one death when we tried using wizzie as tank on water boss, after that BM tanked and we had no issues. If people can't do their FBs at lvl or within 5 lvls on all characters, it's because they are terrible at playing.

Tomes bless wtever u wanna call it im saying back then only thing we had was xtmas blessing, no genies,tomes or the fb bless they give us now when we get in an instance.
So we had worst gear(now all gears are very cheap till lvl 90), no tomes bles or genie and we did it anyway.

Overall i agree with some ppl just dont know how to play,,,,,and then QQ about it

Maragon - Dreamweaver

Rainesierr - Lost City wrote: »

lol, first of all, im going to say imo it counts as soloing if the tabber essentially doesn't do anything. IE it would be more appropriate to list them as "tab" than "tabber" lol.

Anyway, i think everyone is misunderstanding the op's intent. yes, high levels will do, and love to do, fbs. rep/xp ftw. but heres an example: I started a sin this week, and just today got him to lvl 30. so i go to center of arch to jump in a bh29 squad to get my fb done. well, we get in the instance, (and we had a 76 cleric too, for one reason or another) but one of the other people still said "don't we need a 5x tank for this?" honestly i wanted to smack him upside the head, lol. i think the barb we had was 42, hell maybe it was a bm (it was early, pardon my poor memory >.>) but...really? you NEED a 5x barb in fb29? thats complete bullcrap. the fact is some people are just plain stupid. although....@ op, like i said, some people are just plain stupid. dont even bother with them, just go do someone else's fb. QQthread still kinda pointless in the end, lol b:shutup

Agree here.

@Rainesierr...yea I tanked qingzi with a 4x fist bm healed by a 4x cleric ... went real well.

Yesterday a world chat came up for a squad for fb79. So, having a couple bh in there I asked if it were wined (just to be sure u never know). they said yes and I said I was a 80 cleric wanting to come. I got no response. 5 minutes later I see the same person world chat again asking for a high level cleric. I responded "is 80 not enough fb79 is cake". again no response. Yes I enjoy running lower fbs but I agree its the misconception that u need 20 levels higher for a easy or even successful run.

Must - Lost City

Maragon - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Agree here.

@Rainesierr...yea I tanked qingzi with a 4x fist bm healed by a 4x cleric ... went real well.

Yesterday a world chat came up for a squad for fb79. So, having a couple bh in there I asked if it were wined (just to be sure u never know). they said yes and I said I was a 80 cleric wanting to come. I got no response. 5 minutes later I see the same person world chat again asking for a high level cleric. I responded "is 80 not enough fb79 is cake". again no response. Yes I enjoy running lower fbs but I agree its the misconception that u need 20 levels higher for a easy or even successful run.

Its more than enough specially when fb79 bosses are very easy to tank, hell was guarnob and speacially poleharm...

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wrong. Most molds aren't additional drops. For example: http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/8245

lol... how often do you ever see molds drop from fb29? Even with a party of level correct lowbies, Qingzi just does not drop. Those "real drop rates" are just wrong.

Last 2 or 3 FB59's I've run has dropped at least one mold. One dropped 4. And to be honest, mold drops aren't really affected by level from what I've seen... either they're going to drop or they won't. Fwiw, I have nearly 12k rep just from quests and running fbs.

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary

ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »

But is that technically soloing? o_O

Might be one person... but it's still two characters.

its definitely soloing, if the other character is just sitting in the squad somewhere. They dont have to be in the dungeon, or even have to do anything.. just need to have a squad for the tab. Its how i got my fb79 done. I didnt play the other character, it was hanging out in arch.





seriously tho.. Rep is rough, its why i help people get their tabs done. I want rep, most people do.

ElderSig - Dreamweaver

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »

its definitely soloing, if the other character is just sitting in the squad somewhere. They dont have to be in the dungeon, or even have to do anything.. just need to have a squad for the tab. Its how i got my fb79 done. I didnt play the other character, it was hanging out in arch.





seriously tho.. Rep is rough, its why i help people get their tabs done. I want rep, most people do.

Ah, see i thought the squad had to be in the instance b:surrender

__Nanayo__ - Dreamweaver

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

lol... how often do you ever see molds drop from fb29? Even with a party of level correct lowbies, Qingzi just does not drop. Those "real drop rates" are just wrong.

Last 2 or 3 FB59's I've run has dropped at least one mold. One dropped 4. And to be honest, mold drops aren't really affected by level from what I've seen... either they're going to drop or they won't. Fwiw, I have nearly 12k rep just from quests and running fbs.

Oh he drops.

Over the past month he's dropped a total of 2 Sting of Thorns, 3 Fine Emerald Slacks, 1 Servants Necklace, 1 Zombie Warriors Leggings 2 Fiend Rings, 2 Heavy Plates of Phantom, and 1 Handaxe of Demonic Roar. On top of enough NPCables/3stars to make soloing/duoing him fairly profitable (from a lowbie-whose-lingering-for-spirit perspective, at least).

...Granted...that's over the course of well over a hundred runs...but he certainly DOES drop. Just most people bumrush past him and his FB/BH so fast that they never see it. XD

Michael_Dark - Lost City

__Nanayo__ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Oh he drops.

Over the past month he's dropped a total of 2 Sting of Thorns, 3 Fine Emerald Slacks, 1 Servants Necklace, 1 Zombie Warriors Leggings 2 Fiend Rings, 2 Heavy Plates of Phantom, and 1 Handaxe of Demonic Roar. On top of enough NPCables/3stars to make soloing/duoing him fairly profitable (from a lowbie-whose-lingering-for-spirit perspective, at least).

...Granted...that's over the course of well over a hundred runs...but he certainly DOES drop. Just most people bumrush past him and his FB/BH so fast that they never see it. XD

You're incredibly lucky then.. when I was 4x I was farming it with a 5x herc if I remember correctly, and we did like 30-40 runs and never saw one mold.

Maragon - Dreamweaver

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

You're incredibly lucky then.. when I was 4x I was farming it with a 5x herc if I remember correctly, and we did like 30-40 runs and never saw one mold.

very lucky.....I've probably killed qingzi over 100 times on one character or another for fbs bhs solo whatever and never seen a mold

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

Dunno why you say the tank needs a HP charm. I've tanked all my FBs uncharmed.

Zoomg - Harshlands

hawkflight wrote: »

This goes out to everybody who thinks you need a 9x character to do your FB19 for you. Or any FB, really. Everybody says, for example, "You can't do FB29 at level 35! It's suicide! You have to get a level 8x character to do it for you."

I say to thee, shut up. If you have any little bit of skill, you can do it. You only need 3 characters. A tank with an HP charm, a cleric (for healing and buffs), and a veno. With those 3 characters, you can do any FB of your level with few problems. The other three are up to your discretion. Extra tank to step in in an emergency, another cleric to help the first heal the tank, extra spellcasters for damage output, WHATEVER.

And you know what? All of these characters are, at most, the level of the final boss. Every last one of them.

So higher-level players, stop insulting us. Lower-level players, stop QQing and use some skill. The design team wouldn't have made it FB-whatever if people of that level couldn't beat it.

tl;dr Anybody of level x9 can beat FBx9 if they use simple tactics.

i started on the new server and tanked all my fbs at the lvl i got them...b:victory cleric DD...ress and buffs everything was low lvl and no charms was involvedb:angry fun times b:surrender

Maragon - Dreamweaver

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Dunno why you say the tank needs a HP charm. I've tanked all my FBs uncharmed.

actually something we've been doing in the little faction i'm in is that every barb that has come up alt or main has tanked their own fb69...and noone there really uses charms anyway.

and I think many would agree that that is likely one of the hardest fbs (untill 89 I guess but not there yet)

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary

Maragon - Dreamweaver wrote: »

actually something we've been doing in the little faction i'm in is that every barb that has come up alt or main has tanked their own fb69...and noone there really uses charms anyway.

and I think many would agree that that is likely one of the hardest fbs (untill 89 I guess but not there yet)

till 99. 89 is easy.

i know plenty of barbs (around the lvl of 69) that have tanked fb69 without a charm. Its not hard, just have to depend on a cleric or clerics that knows to purify. (plenty of clerics out there that come to bh69 and dont purify.. dunno how these clerics exist in life)

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Lets get one thing stright here... its not high level that wants to do your fb... its you who want them to come on your fb. Its going to take me 267 MILLION exp to level up... and you think i'll waste 30 minutes of my time to wait for you to get you **** together and baby you through the fb for what... 20k exp.

I stopped doing fbs when i hit 9x cause the exp is just not worth the time... there are better ways to get exp (aka delta). So technically speaking its only those of low-mid level that even wants in on fbs for the exp.

And be glad aleast you have a choice of who to take... back in the days we have no choice but to similar level on fbs... heck... half of the time we have people sub fb level on the fb cause we just can't get any other.

Leonatis - Heavens Tear

b:sinI did my fb79 with me being the highest level at 79 rest were low 70's and we did it ok with no problems.

Lylfo - Dreamweaver

Leonatis - Heavens Tear wrote: »

b:sinI did my fb79 with me being the highest level at 79 rest were low 70's and we did it ok with no problems.

erm what a waste of exp and rep...

Celestyna - Heavens Tear

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

erm what a waste of exp and rep...

if he had fun and the group he was with then where is the harm?

my bf always goes with me on my fb's even though he is a few levels behind me, i have dragged my best friend along who is 10+ levels behind. they enjoyed it for the fun of it and because it was for me. I always hand select my fb team members for people who i enjoy squading with then fill in with random guildies after that

FanFon - Dreamweaver

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Now BHs should be a better challenge, which needs to be changed. But people have to stop doing the new system BH and actually try doing FBs around their LVL. Hard? Its supposed to be challenging. The devs made a bad move on the most part to make a powerleveling game.


Although I might support BH (which I don't), but it needs beefing up. Starting at 40, people should do BH39 instead of BH29. Same reward, but each random boss daily, only done once. Wines will not effect on the BH quests and no one higher leveled than X9 (39, 49 etc) are allowed. Which will keep people on their toes and actually learn to play.

sounds like this nub never done an unwined 59

AngelOfLies - Heavens Tear

you'd think i'd be crazy during my fb89 brim to bring along lvl 89's b:sweat i got lvl 99's and 101's in my guild. plus uh me dont know what me doing in fb89 :P

AngelOfLies - Heavens Tear

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »

its definitely soloing, if the other character is just sitting in the squad somewhere. They dont have to be in the dungeon, or even have to do anything.. just need to have a squad for the tab. Its how i got my fb79 done. I didnt play the other character, it was hanging out in arch.





seriously tho.. Rep is rough, its why i help people get their tabs done. I want rep, most people do.

^ this. i like to help ppl out dont get me wrong, 1) im a cleric im kinda first for fb's "ooh theres a cleric GRAB HIM/HER b:angry" b:laugh 2) its my nature to help. personally i luv luv luv fb69's 30 rep from all 3 bosses exp is **** rep me love. im at like 41xx or something. i want my -3% channeling top. and fb69 is great to do that. ive never done a fb79 other then my own. soo ive got 19's,29's,39's etc

Tapion_ - Dreamweaver

True you don't need high levels to do an fb19, but its fun and shows the lower levels the kind of power they have to look forward to. I like to gather a whole chamber in fb19 and use Subsea Strike > Earthen Rift. Boom! They all drop >:D

Duke_Atticus - Sanctuary

I don't like it when low lvls asking for FB help actually demand us (higher lvls) to do our "job". I don't like it either when high lvls spit at lower lvls for even trying.

My squad (usually consisting of my friends irl) was once ridiculed for trying to kill Krixxix ourselves ("damn noobs and their stupid ego" or something like that). I'd rather they chided us for trying to get a BM to tank than telling us our lvls were too low for it b:chuckle I mean...we had two clerics and we decided to force our BMs to tank? >.> (Man was it embarrassing when I think about it now.)

I like helping lower lvl FBs, but I am all for squadies to be as low lvl as possible and taking up whatever challenges available at their lvls. I've seen a world chat before, saying, "LF lvl 19-24 people to do FB19! Pm class and lvl" or something like that. I thought it was cool.

Anyway, to OP, I don't think lvl discrimination is the only thing happening...class discrimination is happening too I was cheated into an FB39 squad because I had a cleric, and then they booted me because they think BMs are made of paper while barbs are tough as steel. Just had to say it because it happened yesterday and I'm still in a murderous mood.

Must - Lost City

Maragon - Dreamweaver wrote: »

actually something we've been doing in the little faction i'm in is that every barb that has come up alt or main has tanked their own fb69...and noone there really uses charms anyway.

and I think many would agree that that is likely one of the hardest fbs (untill 89 I guess but not there yet)

A barbarian tanking poleharm at lvl 70? Charmless, hmmmm who was the cleric lvl 90 plus one?or there were two clerics heal them? However depends too on the barbarian gears if he is a super cash shopper or not...