The FB Stops Here

hawkflight · March 2010

This goes out to everybody who thinks you need a 9x character to do your FB19 for you. Or any FB, really. Everybody says, for example, "You can't do FB29 at level 35! It's suicide! You have to get a level 8x character to do it for you."

I say to thee, shut up. If you have any little bit of skill, you can do it. You only need 3 characters. A tank with an HP charm, a cleric (for healing and buffs), and a veno. With those 3 characters, you can do any FB of your level with few problems. The other three are up to your discretion. Extra tank to step in in an emergency, another cleric to help the first heal the tank, extra spellcasters for damage output, WHATEVER.

And you know what? All of these characters are, at most, the level of the final boss. Every last one of them.

So higher-level players, stop insulting us. Lower-level players, stop QQing and use some skill. The design team wouldn't have made it FB-whatever if people of that level couldn't beat it.

tl;dr Anybody of level x9 can beat FBx9 if they use simple tactics.

Pressa - Heavens Tear · March 2010

Cool story bro

ClericNico - Dreamweaver · March 2010

Yea, most higher lvl ppl know this. Don't see why ur tank needs to be charmed tho. Back when the server first started we ran fbs all the time with like leveled ppl (i miss those days) and most of the tanks i ran with weren't charmed.

As for why high levels like to help lower levels with fbs, the tab gives xp to everyone in the party, as well as rep. The higher above the fb your level is, the more xp you get. That's why you see lvl 9x doing fb19. Besides, it's fun to one-shot everything in an instance, including the boss lol.

_Inferno - Sanctuary · March 2010

^^ This.

And the FB will go much faster and smoother with high levels. Its entirely up to the tabber who to bring along.

One thing to add though. High levels gimp the drop rate of low level instances. The larger the level gap between the tabber and the highest level, the lower the drop rates.

/Krue - Heavens Tear35 · March 2010

Its really player preference. I solo'd all my FB's except for 51 on my veno.
But for my wizard i got like 80+ to help on most of them.

hawkflight · March 2010

Well, I will say this. After proving my point by winning the FB, I really would rather get a high-level to do it for me. Not because it's easier mind you, in fact I love the challenge. But simply because I don't want to deal with some of the people I've run into. b:surrender

WitchBurner - Sanctuary · March 2010

Dude are you serious?

fb19 needs at least 80+ players to take on, I refuse to enter that dungeon without a 100 barb or bm.

Traz - Dreamweaver · March 2010

ClericNico - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yea, most higher lvl ppl know this. Don't see why ur tank needs to be charmed tho. Back when the server first started we ran fbs all the time with like leveled ppl (i miss those days) and most of the tanks i ran with weren't charmed.

As for why high levels like to help lower levels with fbs, the tab gives xp to everyone in the party, as well as rep. The higher above the fb your level is, the more xp you get. That's why you see lvl 9x doing fb19. Besides, it's fun to one-shot everything in an instance, including the boss lol.

Higher the level doesn't mean higher the experience. I get much more experience from FB59 then any other (per boss). FB19s give me like 17k exp for the boss, FB59 bosses give me 30k average. FB79s give me about the same as FB59, but FB59 has one more boss to kill.

ClericNico - Dreamweaver · March 2010

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Higher the level doesn't mean higher the experience. I get much more experience from FB59 then any other (per boss). FB19s give me like 17k exp for the boss, FB59 bosses give me 30k average. FB79s give me about the same as FB59, but FB59 has one more boss to kill.

My mistake. I was under the impression what I said what accurate. Never really bothered paying that close attention tbh. I'm usually just stoked to be invited on an fb, regardless of its level. In any case, thanx for the correction (and for making your criticism constructive b:pleased).

Fatboykbb - Heavens Tear · March 2010

hawkflight wrote: »

This goes out to everybody who thinks you need a 9x character to do your FB19 for you. Or any FB, really. Everybody says, for example, "You can't do FB29 at level 35! It's suicide! You have to get a level 8x character to do it for you."

I say to thee, shut up. If you have any little bit of skill, you can do it. You only need 3 characters. A tank with an HP charm, a cleric (for healing and buffs), and a veno. With those 3 characters, you can do any FB of your level with few problems. The other three are up to your discretion. Extra tank to step in in an emergency, another cleric to help the first heal the tank, extra spellcasters for damage output, WHATEVER.

And you know what? All of these characters are, at most, the level of the final boss. Every last one of them.

So higher-level players, stop insulting us. Lower-level players, stop QQing and use some skill. The design team wouldn't have made it FB-whatever if people of that level couldn't beat it.

tl;dr Anybody of level x9 can beat FBx9 if they use simple tactics.

you need a 9x char to do fb 99

hawkflight · March 2010

Fatboykbb - Heavens Tear wrote: »

you need a 9x char to do fb 99

You know full well what I meant. XP

Sashera - Sanctuary · March 2010

WitchBurner - Sanctuary wrote: »

Dude are you serious?

fb19 needs at least 80+ players to take on, I refuse to enter that dungeon without a 100 barb or bm.

lol whut? b:chuckle

Sinalee - Dreamweaver · March 2010

d(^.^) THIS is why we in our little faction try to take the lower lvls with us when we go on a fb that fits them =3, we even once took a lvl36 cler with us into fb39, him just being greatful we wanted to, its also awsome training for teamwork seriously =O. when me and my old "gang" (5 ppl always squading =P, mini faction thingy xD, just green chat) got around fb39 we went in there to get the quests all being 36-39, did okay .... but meeh 2venos 1cler 1archer 1wiz.

Ppl at the given lvl for the fb can easy do it with some coordination, We usually tag along with 1 max 2 higher lvls who can break down a ****ty situation if it comes. Except from that we stand back and if we DD then without any great dmg output. Latest fb was fb19human.
Lvl47 barb, 61cler (stand back) 74barb (total stand back weaponless) fb-taker (BM 19) and 47cleric for healing everyone. Not completly low, but it went well though only 3 really worked, other two more watching, they had had a great run

.

Besides seing an fb being trained (pull technic) once look cool -.-, but 2nd and 3rd and 10th time it gets boring.

Thx to the 5awsome ppl i used to train with and meet when i was 32, remember every last one of u and how we meet, its sad that only 2 of us r still in game but love u guys =3 and still hope u can fix ur com Rei =3

Airyll - Dreamweaver · March 2010

You know what?

Why are you butting your nose into other people's business, hmm? Since when did you decide the levels a tabber has to have in their FB?

As far as your FBs are concerned, then fine you find a team of people at the level you want them to be. Suits me.

As far as everybody else is concerned, let them decide who goes on their FB. If they want a level 99 character to storm through their FB19 in record time, then let them. Why do you care if they do or don't? It's not like you're on that run and it's not like it's your FB.

Also, every single FB you do will give you rep. I personally, love rep. Rank stuff is cool. So, here's a new question for you; why should high level players stop doing certain FBs just because you don't like it? Why should they have to miss out on rep that they get invited to gain just because you think they're too high a level?

Bottom line: if you don't want high level people in your FBs, that's fine. But stop telling everybody else how they should run their FBs. Cause you know, it's not your FB to begin with.

Pressa - Heavens Tear · March 2010

No thats not what is being said Airyll its not that they don't want the high levels to be in the runs its that they don't want to be turned away just because the tabbie has some ill gotten knowledge that only that level of people can do the run successfully.

Airyll - Dreamweaver · March 2010

Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

No thats not what is being said Airyll its not that they don't want the high levels to be in the runs its that they don't want to be turned away just because the tabbie has some ill gotten knowledge that only that level of people can do the run successfully.

Really?

I must have totally misread

hawkflight wrote: »

And you know what? All of these characters are, at most, the level of the final boss. Every last one of them.

So higher-level players, stop insulting us. Lower-level players, stop QQing and use some skill. The design team wouldn't have made it FB-whatever if people of that level couldn't beat it.

That seems like "High level players, stop doing low level FBs! Low level players, stop inviting them!" to me.

Kthnx, my post was perfectly on topic and was responding to what was being said exactly. b:bye

Graviora - Dreamweaver · March 2010

Funny. The highest level person on my FB29 was level 5X. The lowest excluding me being 32. None of them strangers either. Just good 'ole faction mates.

I apoligize if this off-topic. I didn't bother to read most of the wall of text. I just woke up.

Adversary - Sanctuary · March 2010

ah well.. we had a lvl 89 or so bm on a fb39... didn't have a cleric. only cleric online was in my friends list and she was like what.. lvl 20 or so.
so we asked her to come along :P better a low lvl cleric then no cleric.
I must say.. she did a wonderful job o.o
only at farren she had to stay on distance, that was where it was wonderfull that the bm was there XD

so no, you don't need uberhihg lvls for fb's. but it are mostly the higher lvls that are like
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

fb

can I come

?
try saying no to that rofl XD

Absoluth - Heavens Tear · March 2010

I really dont see the point of this thread. If you got kicked out of a FB squad cuz of your lv, take like a man. Complaining on forums cuz you got your ego hurt wont change anything.

Every FB is designed so a squad at the FB lv (like fb29, a squad of lv 29 players) can clear it without much dificulty. That being said, pretty much anybody can help on FBs, even lower level players. The fact that ppl ask for higher lv players is simply because they wanna roll it faster. If thats what they want, them so be it. Its their FB, not yours.

Mr_Mokona - Lost City · March 2010

hawkflight wrote: »

This goes out to everybody who thinks you need a 9x character to do your FB19 for you.

So higher-level players, stop insulting us. Lower-level players, stop QQing and use some skill. The design team wouldn't have made it FB-whatever if people of that level couldn't beat it.

tl;dr .

Wait...so are you having a go at higher levels, who give help to low lvl fb's?
Or having a go at the lower lvl's who get help from higher lvl's?

Honestly...i dont know anyone who has ever stated that they need 9x help, for an fb19, 29 39...an so on...
But just because someone gets higher lvl help doesnt make them some noob or something.
My first ever fb was full of 8x-9x people, an was a brilliant experince, yes it went fast, but they explained everying to me, an it was nice to have this sort of communication with higher lvl's who knew what they were doing.

Ive helped many fb's where people have been confused, an ive happily explained, stayed longer than needed, even come and help re-do fb's becuase they were unable to finish at the time for whatever reason.

Telarith - Sanctuary · March 2010

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Higher the level doesn't mean higher the experience. I get much more experience from FB59 then any other (per boss). FB19s give me like 17k exp for the boss, FB59 bosses give me 30k average. FB79s give me about the same as FB59, but FB59 has one more boss to kill.

Every FB has a tier system to determine what xp you get. I believe the first 10 or 11 after FB number get normal xp. Then the 10 above it get a higher rate, etc. The xp increase stops after 40 or so levels above FB lvl (somewhere around there, too lazy to look up)

So lvl does determine xp gained from the tab, but it does eventually stop raising.

Also, how did someone solo an FB, when the FB can not be tabbed when you are alone? You must be the leader of a squad to use the tab, I know from having tried doing it before and being told I must be in a group. And if the group drops, tab quest fails.

So unless they had someone standing around in the beginning, not really soloable.

Devinettie - Heavens Tear · March 2010

Higher lvls love Fbs.. nothing can be said against that... my lvl 8x some cleric friend asks everytime we have an fb if he can come.. if we need him or not.... *giggles* we did an fb 39 once with out him.. took us 4 hours.. But.. we had 2 3xish venos 1 3xish tank and 1 4xish cleric.. we had a blast.. only one death.. *coughs* My bad.. but it was fun.. so yeah.. You don't need high lvls to do fbs.. its just makes them quicker and easier..

Alliptica - Lost City · March 2010

i can do it too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlRS1_aIFpc

EthikaII - Heavens Tear · March 2010

WitchBurner - Sanctuary wrote: »

Dude are you serious?

fb19 needs at least 80+ players to take on, I refuse to enter that dungeon without a 100 barb or bm.

-is happy your kidding if not XD ->b:quiet

LadyGaga_ - Lost City · March 2010

yeah i found it a bit unecessary when i had 4 8x bm's do my fb19 b:laugh i guess they wanted the .5% b:laugh

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary · March 2010

when i was a young player - "do everything at the correct level, high lvls suck."

now me as a old player - "gimme rep please."

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary · March 2010

Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »

Also, how did someone solo an FB, when the FB can not be tabbed when you are alone? You must be the leader of a squad to use the tab, I know from having tried doing it before and being told I must be in a group. And if the group drops, tab quest fails.

So unless they had someone standing around in the beginning, not really soloable.

two computers.

ElderSig - Dreamweaver · March 2010

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »

two computers.

But is that technically soloing? o_O

Might be one person... but it's still two characters.

Rainesierr - Lost City · March 2010

lol, first of all, im going to say imo it counts as soloing if the tabber essentially doesn't do anything. IE it would be more appropriate to list them as "tab" than "tabber" lol.

Anyway, i think everyone is misunderstanding the op's intent. yes, high levels will do, and love to do, fbs. rep/xp ftw. but heres an example: I started a sin this week, and just today got him to lvl 30. so i go to center of arch to jump in a bh29 squad to get my fb done. well, we get in the instance, (and we had a 76 cleric too, for one reason or another) but one of the other people still said "don't we need a 5x tank for this?" honestly i wanted to smack him upside the head, lol. i think the barb we had was 42, hell maybe it was a bm (it was early, pardon my poor memory >.>) but...really? you NEED a 5x barb in fb29? thats complete bullcrap. the fact is some people are just plain stupid.

although....@ op, like i said, some people are just plain stupid. dont even bother with them, just go do someone else's fb. QQthread still kinda pointless in the end, lol b:shutup

hawkflight · March 2010

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You know what?

Why are you butting your nose into other people's business, hmm? Since when did you decide the levels a tabber has to have in their FB?

(etc, clipped for length)

Bottom line: if you don't want high level people in your FBs, that's fine. But stop telling everybody else how they should run their FBs. Cause you know, it's not your FB to begin with.

It's not that at all. I'm not trying to tell anyone what they should do. Though I admit I may have come across that way. I'm saying, stop saying people of, say, level 39 are incapable of doing FB39. It's just not true.

Absoluth - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I really dont see the point of this thread. If you got kicked out of a FB squad cuz of your lv, take like a man. Complaining on forums cuz you got your ego hurt wont change anything.

(etc, clipped for length)

That's not quite what I was saying. I wasn't complaining about my ego, I was saying please stop telling us low-levels we CAN'T do it.

Mr_Mokona - Lost City wrote: »

Wait...so are you having a go at higher levels, who give help to low lvl fb's?
Or having a go at the lower lvl's who get help from higher lvl's?

Honestly...i dont know anyone who has ever stated that they need 9x help, for an fb19, 29 39...an so on...
But just because someone gets higher lvl help doesnt make them some noob or something.
My first ever fb was full of 8x-9x people, an was a brilliant experince, yes it went fast, but they explained everying to me, an it was nice to have this sort of communication with higher lvl's who knew what they were doing.

Ive helped many fb's where people have been confused, an ive happily explained, stayed longer than needed, even come and help re-do fb's becuase they were unable to finish at the time for whatever reason.

Now that's a cool story. It's always good to get help from the more experienced players, let it not be said I'm against that. To answer your question, I'm not having a go at either of them. I'm having a go at all the players saying that people of a certain level CAN NOT to an FB of their level, at their level.

Alliptica - Lost City wrote: »

i can do it too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlRS1_aIFpc

Nice. ^_^ Reminds me of just the other day, when my friend (a barb) and I (a veno) revisited FB19, at around level 32. Fun times.

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »

when i was a young player - "do everything at the correct level, high lvls suck."

now me as a old player - "gimme rep please."

I can kinda see the point here. High-level characters can have trouble getting enough rep at times. Like I said before, I have absolutely no problems with higher-level people doing low-level FBs. My problem is with people saying that people can't do FBs of their level.

ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »

But is that technically soloing? o_O

Might be one person... but it's still two characters.

Probably more like, he had another person in his squad, but he or she wasn't in the FB with him.

Rainesierr - Lost City wrote: »

lol, first of all, im going to say imo it counts as soloing if the tabber essentially doesn't do anything. IE it would be more appropriate to list them as "tab" than "tabber" lol.

Anyway, i think everyone is misunderstanding the op's intent. yes, high levels will do, and love to do, fbs. rep/xp ftw. but heres an example: I started a sin this week, and just today got him to lvl 30. so i go to center of arch to jump in a bh29 squad to get my fb done. well, we get in the instance, (and we had a 76 cleric too, for one reason or another) but one of the other people still said "don't we need a 5x tank for this?" honestly i wanted to smack him upside the head, lol. i think the barb we had was 42, hell maybe it was a bm (it was early, pardon my poor memory >.>) but...really? you NEED a 5x barb in fb29? thats complete bullcrap. the fact is some people are just plain stupid. although....@ op, like i said, some people are just plain stupid. dont even bother with them, just go do someone else's fb. QQthread still kinda pointless in the end, lol b:shutup

Thank you, that's basically what I was trying to say. ^_^

Yeah, I dunno, I mostly just wanted to rant. Good for the soul. b:chuckle

Vivre - Harshlands · March 2010

Higher levels do get more exp from fbs. I think it's something like every twenty levels above fb level, there's an increase. But relatively speaking, at higher lvls, even the increased exp amount means very little for actual experience. If you have a bunch of higher lvls in a fb19, they really aren't benefitting from the experience... so they're either there to help, with small compensation, or there for rep.

And who cares what kind of levels a tabber wants on his squad? There's a lot of fun to rushing in with high lvls and aoeing everything too..

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