I think I'll go sage, thanks.

SnipedX - Dreamweaver

Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »

1. It does not, Demon Blazing Arrow just adds an extra 70% for 20 seconds.
2. Demon Sharpened Tooth Arrow adds 10% crit.
3. Demon Stunning Arrow adds 10% crit
4. The increase is to the 75% that you already have, not to mention that your damage is also increased by dex, so the actual increase is about 3%.



1. Eh? On average, the chi increase makes Demon Frost Arrow cost 15 chi instead of 25. But not like you didn't already have plenty of chi in PvE.
2. 1% increase in crit, no increase in damage.

However, Demon Quick Shot has a 50% chance of speeding up your attack speed by 30%. Also, Demon Spark adds 25% attack speed, but the two are non-stackable.

There's a reason why Demon Archers are much, much more common than Sage Archers.

It's funny to see a lowbie looking at the skills while not having any real clue as to what is the difference between a good archer and a great archer.

but then agian lvl dont make noobs a noob do they? some people assume there noobs cause of lvl

KageYingZi - Heavens Tear

Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »

not all skill but u talked about all skill, so u must get all and all gear,few skill more expensive (same like gear-example crit shoes or tt99 chest compared with other part), only later u realize if u dont use cash how many farm u must do if u want ur final eq and i dont talk about refine. (about that only that skills expensive in ur path what u use often, like wizz the earth shield and few other skill and mastery and archer the dartle,stun etc, who care about how mucha frost arrow?)

i talked about that when u reach the 99 the 1,2m charm or 20m skill dont will be same 1,2m and 20m.

possible just need a ton of time XD

1.Your grammar sucks.
2.I can buy the charm and skills now
3.There's something called a bank to keep things in

I believe that there's something called merchanting

KageYingZi - Heavens Tear

Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »

1. dont matter if u kill a boss. if u spam allways that skill u lose alot sec, so u lose more than gain.
2. 4% against boss worth more
3. who use it agaisnt boss?
4. ~5%

u have right if u talk about killing mob 1by1 but its useless against buss exclude if u spam with dartle but its kinda annoying for me during boss killing the spamming the skills.

Since when did i say i was doing normal mobs and not bosses./Im not supporting either Sage or Demon.In fact,I dont plan to do the culti till a magical time in the future.

Typical Sage>demon argument.Go hide under a stone,shameless *****

Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »

gl in getting all gear without cash shop before 99. we talk again if u reach the lv99 and u dont use cash shop.... u will then realistic,not now :P




for u keep the similiar dmg than sage at boss its obviously u must spam with stun+quickshot eveyrtime when u can.

Can I fall off my chair now?A lvl 1 telling sum1 to get to lvl 99 before talking to the lvl1

Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »

idk what price is here but where i play 1 book from 20 is 5m for lv100 skill till sharptooth max 20m b:surrender

idk if u feel the differencebut i feel between 100m skill and 20m.(if u are sht unlucky like me and waste 300+ mirage for getting the room 38 in cube of fate and eahc mirage cost 100k and its only 1 step from long lv100 culti then my u rethink to ur budget)

idk how many u play but if u get all skill,eq at lv99without cash shop then u will my idol :P
who already collected it at 99 or used real money or no lifed with few hour sleep.

Could sum1 confirm this.I dont think they cost 100k each.




I think you're lying i checked your other posts.Apparently u have alot of high lvl characters which is leading me that u play a private server.Use ur main to post in the appropriate forum so that u have a higher credibility in ppl believing in you.

edit:Sorry for double post,i cant multi quote more than 3

Legerity - Sanctuary

Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »

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idk how many u play but if u get all skill,eq at lv99without cash shop then u will my idol :P
who already collected it at 99 or used real money or no lifed with few hour sleep.

I have every demon skill available. I am just not 99 to learn them yet.

I also have my interval gear ready at 99.

I have no need to farm for coin.

I find this game boring atm because I don't PvP which leaves the option of PvE only. I already said I'm bored. Again, what's there to do at "EG" if you don't PvP?

I have not spent a single cent on this game.

I do not play more than 4 hours a day.

You can go away now (or as you would put it "you go away can now XD").

Shadowvzs - Lost City

KageYingZi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I think you're lying i checked your other posts.Apparently u have alot of high lvl characters which is leading me that u play a private server.Use ur main to post in the appropriate forum so that u have a higher credibility in ppl believing in you.

edit:Sorry for double post,i cant multi quote more than 3

ofc because only private server and pwi exist in this world :P
u dont have ideea how many player playing here, who played in other pw version like pw ms and pw my... (guilds went to harshland and to other servers). (just a example, from pw ms[european official server] 1st a whole guild moved here and few month ago the whole hungarian guild[exclude 1-2ppl who left for tw])

i started play in 2007 november in pw my (my=malaysian offcial server[1st no ip bloack eng server]) and not now :P after that i went to pw ms in 2008 november so i got time for few higher lv char. if u checked my post's (what i doubt) then u noticed where i wrote on what server i play and not i am the only who play here too and his main in pw my/ms and play here for trying out the tideborn or because another server is sucks [a notice, dont blame the pwi gm's and dev team if u never played with few other pw server with chinese dev team].

i got only 2 char above than 90+ and i never used exp scroll (since in pw ms never was added) or oracle and any other ****. if u say i lved 100 archer/~94 wizz fast in 1,5year then i must lol. see around , here who used cash shop was lv100 in few months with his assassin, that amazing not 2x 90+ in 1,5year + another 3 char what is 7x-8x and 1 lv64.

1.Your grammar sucks.
2.I can buy the charm and skills now
3.There's something called a bank to keep things in

true but language side nerver was my best talent XD
in 89 with my wizz i got every skill on lv10 exclude the dots and 2 other (emberstorm and a another **** what i dont use), after 92 was a bit harder.

Since when did i say i was doing normal mobs and not bosses./Im not supporting either Sage or Demon.In fact,I dont plan to do the culti till a magical time in the future.

Typical Sage>demon argument.Go hide under a stone,shameless *****

rofl... we talked about pve and dont really do too much ppl grind after 90 when the getting a good set is sht hard. nice to talk about something what u dont know (because i think that from ur word). (since sage worse a bit than demon in pvp if dont have uber eq then how i could talk about pvp? its facts demon>sage in pvp, still i could say sage is fail just because not same effective than demon)

I have every demon skill available. I am just not 99 to learn them yet.
I also have my interval gear ready at 99.
I have no need to farm for coin.
I find this game boring atm because I don't PvP which leaves the option of PvE only. I already said I'm bored. Again, what's there to do at "EG" if you don't PvP?
I have not spent a single cent on this game.
I do not play more than 4 hours a day.
You can go away now (or as you would put it "you go away can now XD").

nice too u, sadly i cant do this goal in pvp server like alot other player b:surrender
with wizz i do same but only because with archer i grind out.......

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear

Still, though, shadow...bringing up other versions of Perfect World doesn't actually bring any support to any of your arguments, as there are way too many variables between regions to facilitate an actual connection (the only true connection being that, hey, it's still Perfect World).

Unless you can make your case with evidence from this version, well...there's not really much else to say.

Besides, we could go back and forth between Sage and Demon all day. Does all this bickering really make a difference? Are the Devs in China just going to go, "Wow, y'know what, Sage/Demon is totally useless for such and such class, let's just take it out and force them to choose the other path"? No. They gave us two paths for a reason; to add a sense of individuality and choice into the game (also, to give us a sweet-lookin' fairy depending on your choice).

Hands down, each path has their own pros and cons. Nobody is going to refute that. But just because someone doesn't have the same playstyle as you do, or thinks that Sage/Demon is better than the other because of such-and-such...doesn't give you the right to tear them down and force them to take your path. Unless I see a "road closed" signed when I come to a crossroads, you can bet I'm gonna think about which path I wanna take...and when I make the choice, it'll be entirely my decision.

TL;DR -- Less QQ, MOAR giving people freedom to choose what path they want. Why does the Wizard always have to be the sensible one when it comes to debates...?

KageYingZi - Heavens Tear

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Still, though, shadow...bringing up other versions of Perfect World doesn't actually bring any support to any of your arguments, as there are way too many variables between regions to facilitate an actual connection (the only true connection being that, hey, it's still Perfect World).

Unless you can make your case with evidence from this version, well...there's not really much else to say.
Besides, we could go back and forth between Sage and Demon all day. Does all this bickering really make a difference? Are the Devs in China just going to go, "Wow, y'know what, Sage/Demon is totally useless for such and such class, let's just take it out and force them to choose the other path"? No. They gave us two paths for a reason; to add a sense of individuality and choice into the game (also, to give us a sweet-lookin' fairy depending on your choice).

Hands down, each path has their own pros and cons. Nobody is going to refute that. But just because someone doesn't have the same playstyle as you do, or thinks that Sage/Demon is better than the other because of such-and-such...doesn't give you the right to tear them down and force them to take your path. Unless I see a "road closed" signed when I come to a crossroads, you can bet I'm gonna think about which path I wanna take...and when I make the choice, it'll be entirely my decision.

TL;DR -- Less QQ, MOAR giving people freedom to choose what path they want. Why does the Wizard always have to be the sensible one when it comes to debates...?

The reason is simple.They have the highest intelligence in the gameb:chuckle and they're old(u see the beard in their pic,yea thats it)

I think any info used from a different version become null and void after 1second

I think she's secretly trying to plotting that so that there will be no more Demon Archers

Shadowvzs - Lost City

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Still, though, shadow...bringing up other versions of Perfect World doesn't actually bring any support to any of your arguments, as there are way too many variables between regions to facilitate an actual connection (the only true connection being that, hey, it's still Perfect World).

Unless you can make your case with evidence from this version, well...there's not really much else to say.

Besides, we could go back and forth between Sage and Demon all day. Does all this bickering really make a difference? Are the Devs in China just going to go, "Wow, y'know what, Sage/Demon is totally useless for such and such class, let's just take it out and force them to choose the other path"? No. They gave us two paths for a reason; to add a sense of individuality and choice into the game (also, to give us a sweet-lookin' fairy depending on your choice).

Hands down, each path has their own pros and cons. Nobody is going to refute that. But just because someone doesn't have the same playstyle as you do, or thinks that Sage/Demon is better than the other because of such-and-such...doesn't give you the right to tear them down and force them to take your path. Unless I see a "road closed" signed when I come to a crossroads, you can bet I'm gonna think about which path I wanna take...and when I make the choice, it'll be entirely my decision.

TL;DR -- Less QQ, MOAR giving people freedom to choose what path they want. Why does the Wizard always have to be the sensible one when it comes to debates...?

i could give screenshot about when i registered to pw my and pw ms forum but then u can say maybe i dont play there, if i show ss about my cahrs then u can say maybe its private server lol

the facts is, demon got more advatage in pvp and sage in longer boss killing, maybe its too simple but right.

sage / demon archer not really similiar with wizz where indifferent what u choose but have balance in pvp too. sage not fail or useless like some other ppl think but i must agree with that, from skills demon got more advatage in killing in short time cause their short duration decent usefull buffs.

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear

Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »

i could give screenshot about when i registered to pw my and pw ms forum but then u can say maybe i dont play there, if i show ss about my cahrs then u can say maybe its private server lol

the facts is, demon got more advatage in pvp and sage in longer boss killing, maybe its too simple but right.

sage / demon archer not really similiar with wizz where indifferent what u choose but have balance in pvp too. sage not fail or useless like some other ppl think but i must agree with that, from skills demon got more advatage in killing in short time cause their short duration decent usefull buffs.

Oh, Shadow...I'm not doubting that you are a part of the PW-MY and PW-MS community...I'm saying that any information that you are trying to use to support your arguments (i.e., economy, skill cost, community, future), aren't really valid here, as they aren't the version that we are playing now.

And yes, usually demon for every class focuses on a more 1v1, PvP aspect; while the Sage tends to be more Chi-based, slightly more PvE friendly. But both have their advantages in both PvP and PvE worlds; I can personally attest to that.

Like I said before, the choice is there for a reason. One path cannot be absolutely greater than the other. If one path is good for one thing, the other path is good for another thing. You, yourself, just said that. Thus, there is no "correct" answer besides letting each individual come up with their own answer.

Olba - Sanctuary

Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »

i could give screenshot about when i registered to pw my and pw ms forum but then u can say maybe i dont play there, if i show ss about my cahrs then u can say maybe its private server lol

the facts is, demon got more advatage in pvp and sage in longer boss killing, maybe its too simple but right.

sage / demon archer not really similiar with wizz where indifferent what u choose but have balance in pvp too. sage not fail or useless like some other ppl think but i must agree with that, from skills demon got more advatage in killing in short time cause their short duration decent usefull buffs.

Again, ad hominem. Who you are is not a supportive evidence of your correctness.

Also, saying that all versions will behave exactly the same way is ridiculous.

Oh, and appealing to poverty: making a choice between two options only based on the costs, instead of the actual properties of the choices.

WaffleChan - Sanctuary

thats not ad hominem, ad hominem is as such:

person 1 makes claim x
there is something objectionable about person 1
therefore person 1 is wrong.

its not really a logical fallacy though it contains fallacious statements within. its basically an attack on the persons character to dispute the validity of their claim.

i dont really think it follows under the inverse either,

Shadowvzs - Lost City

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Oh, Shadow...I'm not doubting that you are a part of the PW-MY and PW-MS community...I'm saying that any information that you are trying to use to support your arguments (i.e., economy, skill cost, community, future), aren't really valid here, as they aren't the version that we are playing now.

And yes, usually demon for every class focuses on a more 1v1, PvP aspect; while the Sage tends to be more Chi-based, slightly more PvE friendly. But both have their advantages in both PvP and PvE worlds; I can personally attest to that.

Like I said before, the choice is there for a reason. One path cannot be absolutely greater than the other. If one path is good for one thing, the other path is good for another thing. You, yourself, just said that. Thus, there is no "correct" answer besides letting each individual come up with their own answer.

ok u got it what i wanted say about sege/demon, when i started i answered to this http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=6999651&postcount=17

where kinda "demon path everywhere>sage" what is a bit fail if we talk about every term, and yes after 90 we must kill alot boss.

price not valid here but raising price is valid. i checked the harshland in begining and now and have difference, allways because players pump the price slwoly and dont ahve a fixed exchange (example 1 cash shop gold for 100k in game gold). sry but i c the only difference in time, here raising slower, because in game economy still better (more player, no bot compared with other server etc) than on other servers so its raising slower.

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear

Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »

ok u got it what i wanted say about sege/demon, when i started i answered to this http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=6999651&postcount=17

where kinda "demon path everywhere>sage" what is a bit fail if we talk about every term, and yes after 90 we must kill alot boss.

price not valid here but raising price is valid. i checked the harshland in begining and now and have difference, allways because players pump the price slwoly and dont ahve a fixed exchange (example 1 cash shop gold for 100k in game gold). sry but i c the only difference in time, here raising slower, because in game economy still better (more player, no bot compared with other server etc) than on other servers so its raising slower.

...correct me if I'm wrong, but I also believe that MY and MS are a bit behind in content, correct? Or did they get the same Genie/Tideborn updates that we got?

Shadowvzs - Lost City

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »

...correct me if I'm wrong, but I also believe that MY and MS are a bit behind in content, correct? Or did they get the same Genie/Tideborn updates that we got?

pw my dont got tideborn but rest yes. - pw my a bit behind
pw ms dont got tideborn/ warsong and bounty (they want patch in few week) - more behind than pw my

simple they got dev. team in china and they get patch slower until the pwi dev. team specialized to this server, if i am not wrong in pwi part (pw ms/my part is correct and i think i am not wrong when i say pwi have his dev team and not same china depend than other version.)

if u now thinking to price things, then new content and new cs stuff increase the price onyl for short time. (in pw ch i heard its same price raising then everywhere)

Well, in this case, apparently I was wrong because of my being below lvl 99.

y when u talk about at lv100 +12 gear set and weapon without cs...

Olba - Sanctuary

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

thats not ad hominem, ad hominem is as such:

person 1 makes claim x
there is something objectionable about person 1
therefore person 1 is wrong.

its not really a logical fallacy though it contains fallacious statements within. its basically an attack on the persons character to dispute the validity of their claim.

i dont really think it follows under the inverse either,

Well, in this case, apparently I was wrong because of my being below lvl 99.

And strictly speaking, it doesn't need to be an objectionable quality, since that itself is up for debate.

Or I could use a variant of applying to authority, which is classified as an inverse of ad hominem.

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear

Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »

pw my dont got tideborn but rest yes. - pw my a bit behind
pw ms dont got tideborn/ warsong and bounty (they want patch in few week) - more behind than pw my

simple they got dev. team in china and they get patch slower until the pwi dev. team specialized to this server, if i am not wrong in pwi part (pw ms/my part is correct and i think i am not wrong when i say pwi have his dev team and not same china depend than other version.)

if u now thinking to price things, then new content and new cs stuff increase the price onyl for short time. (in pw ch i heard its same price raising then everywhere)

*shakes head* Then that settles it. Not only do these other version have a different demographic, playerbase, and in-game community, but now we know that they do not even have the same content. Thus, it is impossible to draw comparisons between the two versions.

Your overall message of "Sage/Demon should just be chosen by the individual player" is spot-on, but your method of reinforcing that argument is shabby at best.

Luixo - Sanctuary

The smart archers know Sage is better, but as they dont want everyone to have the secret power, they tell you to go Demon, so that they can keep the power. But its your choice.

Astoru - Heavens Tear

Luixo - Sanctuary wrote: »

The smart archers know Sage is better, but as they dont want everyone to have the secret power, they tell you to go Demon, so that they can keep the power. But its your choice.

lolwut?

I laughed when I see sage archers ragequit 'cause of poor cultivation choice.

TerminatorX - Lost City

Why would a glass cannon class ever pick a defensive route?

There should be two choices for Archer. Demon, and IMAHELLHOUNDOFFLAMINGMEGADETHDAINAOPLZ.

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear

TerminatorX - Lost City wrote: »

Why would a glass cannon class ever pick a defensive route?

More glass, same cannon?

b:chuckle

Still don't really see a problem with either path, though.

Astoru - Heavens Tear

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »

More glass, same cannon?

b:chuckle

Still don't really see a problem with either path, though.

Nothing wrong with sage, really. Just that demon is superior.

A bit harder for wizards to understand, since it works well either way for us. I see shockingly few sage wizards in our server, though.

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear

Astoru - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Nothing wrong with sage, really. Just that demon is superior.

A bit harder for wizards to understand, since it works well either way for us. I see shockingly few sage wizards in our server, though.

*raises hand* I'm one. I went Sage because of Sage BIDS. I have the book...now just hitting 99 is the hard part.

b:dirty