I think I'll go sage, thanks.
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Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »But how does that factor into the average damage?
Logic would say that the multiplier defaults at 1+0, since otherwise crit% would reduce the damage instead of increasing it.
However, just 1+crit% doesn't seem to make sense, since it's supposed to DOUBLE the damage.
However, 1+2*crit would give you a multiplier of 3 with 100% crit, which just doesn't make sense.●Wizard (Male) - Fasditious and pretentious, carries the arrogance of intellectual superiority. Feels the need to remind everyone of his world-ending power, but grows a little manic and unhinged when he finally is allowed to unleash it. "Ahh-hahahahaha!! NOW YOU ALL BURN!!!!"
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Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »Well, looking at the first post, there's no much hope for this topic.
Actually, I was going to make some sort of comment about the +10% crit vs. +30% DPS, but you found your error.0 -
Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »But how does that factor into the average damage?
Logic would say that the multiplier defaults at 1+0, since otherwise crit% would reduce the damage instead of increasing it.
However, just 1+crit% doesn't seem to make sense, since it's supposed to DOUBLE the damage.
However, 1+2*crit would give you a multiplier of 3 with 100% crit, which just doesn't make sense.
you will ALWAYS deal the normal 100% of ur normal damage. and you have 30% chance to deal an EXTRA 100% damage, therefore you have the 1 for the normal 100% and crit% for an EXTRA 100% damage. 1 * 100% + crit% * 100% = (1 + crit%).
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Chezedude - Dreamweaver wrote: »you will ALWAYS deal the normal 100% of ur normal damage. and you have 30% chance to deal an EXTRA 100% damage, therefore you have the 1 for the normal 100% and crit% for an EXTRA 100% damage. 1 * 100% + crit% * 100% = (1 + crit%).
lol >.>
Or just use the common sense route to avoid over-complicating it.
100 attacks, 70 hit normal with 30 of them acting as an extra hit each.
70+2(30) = 130 attacks worth in 100 attacks. 130/100 = 1.30Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura
Get a High lvl Fist warrior use it, Restat to axes. GG - complexx
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Smobo - Heavens Tear wrote: »1. Blazing arrow last longer, allowing you to overall do more damage
Both last 15 minutes.
What I meant by that is demon only does 70% for a few seconds, then goes back to 50%. Sage is 60% the entire time it's on.0 -
Chezedude - Dreamweaver wrote: »you will ALWAYS deal the normal 100% of ur normal damage. and you have 30% chance to deal an EXTRA 100% damage, therefore you have the 1 for the normal 100% and crit% for an EXTRA 100% damage. 1 * 100% + crit% * 100% = (1 + crit%).
lol >.>
Ugh, must be the topology course messing with my head.Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »Or just use the common sense route to avoid over-complicating it.
100 attacks, 70 hit normal with 30 of them acting as an extra hit each.
70+2(30) = 130 attacks worth in 100 attacks. 130/100 = 1.30
Um... did you just say that I lack common sense?b:cryVampirish - Lost City wrote: »What I meant by that is demon only does 70% for a few seconds, then goes back to 50%. Sage is 60% the entire time it's on.
The Demon Blazing Arrow aids spike damage. And btw, if the description is correct, the 70% is ADDITIONAL to the 50%, therefore totaling 120% for 20 seconds. And that, my friend, is epic ****.If you disregard what I say because of who I am or because of the contents of what I said, you are a fool.
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Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »The Demon Blazing Arrow aids spike damage. And btw, if the description is correct, the 70% is ADDITIONAL to the 50%, therefore totaling 120% for 20 seconds. And that, my friend, is epic ****.●Wizard (Male) - Fasditious and pretentious, carries the arrogance of intellectual superiority. Feels the need to remind everyone of his world-ending power, but grows a little manic and unhinged when he finally is allowed to unleash it. "Ahh-hahahahaha!! NOW YOU ALL BURN!!!!"
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Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »Um... did you just say that I lack common sense?b:cry
Nah, just common sense approach sticks with simple elementary math without excess functions in it. And it reads more direct, so easier for people to understand usually. I read the * 100% thing and just wondered what the hell the point of including it was pretty muchFist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura
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Astoru - Heavens Tear wrote: »It would be, if you could find a way to cast blazing arrow every 20 seconds b:surrender
That would add constant damage. Spike damage is adding temporary damage. Crits, for example, are spike damage, whereas +damage% is not.
The 70% buff over 20 seconds adds a noticeable spike to your damage during Blazing Arrow's duration.
Of course, if you want to average it to a damage increase per second, then you get a number. Personally, I got ~52.3%. That would mean that Sage Blazing Arrow would be ~5% better.Nah, just common sense approach sticks with simple elementary math without excess functions in it. And it reads more direct, so easier for people to understand usually. I read the * 100% thing and just wondered what the hell the point of including it was pretty much
Of course. Well, overthinking isn't exactly rare when it comes to math. Also the fact that I do all of my math on my window while being scared that my father sees it and gets angry about it might affect my performance. And unfortunately I have a tendency to either under-review or over-review my stuff, where the former means none at all and the latter means redoing it over and over again, getting the same result but believing that there has to be mistake somewhere.If you disregard what I say because of who I am or because of the contents of what I said, you are a fool.
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Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »That is like saying that Demon Spark, Demon Quick Shot, Demon Sharpened Tooth and Demon Stunning Arrow are all useless, since their buffs last for less than 20 seconds. It's just not that way.
And btw, the buff still lasts the full duration, just has an extra 70% for 20 seconds. So you do not need to rebuff any more than you used to.
Boss this, boss that. Try doing some PvP and then come back. Also, a 10% increase in Crit gets you about 30% more damage, so how about that? It's basically guaranteed that you WILL deal enough damage for 30% of your overall to be more than 4% of the boss' life. Otherwise, you would be dealing less than 1/8th of all the damage. Which definitely is NOT the case.
Boss this, boss that. Try PvP and say that again. Stun + Crit buff is epic ****.
idk if u reallized but in 1st post dont talk nobody about pk ...But how does that factor into the average damage?
Logic would say that the multiplier defaults at 1+0, since otherwise crit% would reduce the damage instead of increasing it.
However, just 1+crit% doesn't seem to make sense, since it's supposed to DOUBLE the damage.
However, 1+2*crit would give you a multiplier of 3 with 100% crit, which just doesn't make sense.
again we talked about pve side since who go for sage do pve mainly and there u waste time too so not that 1+1 easy the calculation.0 -
Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »idk if u reallized but in 1st post dont talk nobody about pk ...
Again we talked about pve side since who go for sage do pve mainly and there u waste time too so not that 1+1 easy the calculation.
Ugh, what's with you?
Do you honestly believe that anyone gets to lvl 99 and still keeps doing PvE only? What is there to do in PvE after 99?
Also, Demons do better in PvE as well. Really, for PvE, what does Sage have other than the Spark and Sharpened Tooth Arrow? As far as I know, those two things are the ones that the crazier Sage Archers used in their crazy PvE feats.
And really, there is no such thing as wasted time if it's used in pursuit of facts.If you disregard what I say because of who I am or because of the contents of what I said, you are a fool.
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Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »Do you honestly believe that anyone gets to lvl 99 and still keeps doing PvE only? What is there to do in PvE after 99?
I plan to do PvE only at 99.0 -
Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »Ugh, what's with you?
Do you honestly believe that anyone gets to lvl 99 and still keeps doing PvE only? What is there to do in PvE after 99?
Also, Demons do better in PvE as well. Really, for PvE, what does Sage have other than the Spark and Sharpened Tooth Arrow? As far as I know, those two things are the ones that the crazier Sage Archers used in their crazy PvE feats.
And really, there is no such thing as wasted time if it's used in pursuit of facts.
i am just curios how every demon archer spam with 2skill at least in every x second XD
(i like the vigor skill too and passive and buffs)
who do pve after 99? i do. and i am 99+.... if somebody dont invest to game (like me)
then he must do few run in tt3-3/3-2 for his gear, oh and dont let forget i collect my crit shoes with card boss too what is if u see around not that easy (gr13 boots is (16+1)*10 boss and its only gr13).
i dk u ever reallized how easy to far out ur tt99 set or nirvana but i bet no, not even comaprable with getting a tt90 set.......
dont let forget if i grind skills for my mg in bh99 and cape.0 -
Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »I plan to do PvE only at 99.
b:cry That's kinda worrisome.Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »i am just curios how every demon archer spam with 2skill at least in every x second XD
Um, I suggest trying to fix that grammar, I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here.who do pve after 99? i do. and i am 99+.... if somebody dont invest to game (like me)
then he must do few run in tt3-3/3-2 for his gear, oh and dont let forget i collect my crit shoes with card boss too what is if u see around not that easy (gr13 boots is (16+1)*10 boss and its only gr13).
i dk u ever reallized how easy to far out ur tt99 set or nirvana but i bet no, not even comaprable with getting a tt90 set.......
dont let forget if i grind skills for my mg in bh99 and cape.
Ok, let's be realistic. Obviously, I meant 99 when you already have all of the gear and skills. Or heck, let's be fun and say 100 with every skill and all gear +12. What to do then other than PvP or quit the game?If you disregard what I say because of who I am or because of the contents of what I said, you are a fool.
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Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »Ok, let's be realistic. Obviously, I meant 99 when you already have all of the gear and skills. Or heck, let's be fun and say 100 with every skill and all gear +12. What to do then other than PvP or quit the game?
gl in getting all gear without cash shop before 99. we talk again if u reach the lv99 and u dont use cash shop.... u will then realistic,not now :PQuote:
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i am just curios how every demon archer spam with 2skill at least in every x second XD
Um, I suggest trying to fix that grammar, I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here.
for u keep the similiar dmg than sage at boss its obviously u must spam with stun+quickshot eveyrtime when u can.0 -
Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »b:cry That's kinda worrisome.
I don't participate in the slaying of other heroes. There is nothing wrong with that.0 -
Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »i am just curios how every demon archer spam with 2skill at least in every x second XD
(i like the vigor skill too and passive and buffs)
who do pve after 99? i do. and i am 99+.... if somebody dont invest to game (like me)
then he must do few run in tt3-3/3-2 for his gear, oh and dont let forget i collect my crit shoes with card boss too what is if u see around not that easy (gr13 boots is (16+1)*10 boss and its only gr13).
i dk u ever reallized how easy to far out ur tt99 set or nirvana but i bet no, not even comaprable with getting a tt90 set.......
dont let forget if i grind skills for my mg in bh99 and cape.●Wizard (Male) - Fasditious and pretentious, carries the arrogance of intellectual superiority. Feels the need to remind everyone of his world-ending power, but grows a little manic and unhinged when he finally is allowed to unleash it. "Ahh-hahahahaha!! NOW YOU ALL BURN!!!!"
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Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »b:cry That's kinda worrisome.
Um, I suggest trying to fix that grammar, I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here.
Ok, let's be realistic. Obviously, I meant 99 when you already have all of the gear and skills. Or heck, let's be fun and say 100 with every skill and all gear +12. What to do then other than PvP or quit the game?
mine a warsoul weapon?b:surrenderGifs are hard to make work here0 -
Astoru - Heavens Tear wrote: »Post on your main and stop hiding behind an alt. Otherwise, I say you're lying.
then its called another pw server advertisment b:surrender0 -
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Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »gl in getting all gear without cash shop before 99. we talk again if u reach the lv99 and u dont use cash shop.... u will then realistic,not now :P
Not the point. It can be done.for u keep the similiar dmg than sage at boss its obviously u must spam with stun+quickshot eveyrtime when u can.
So basically, your argument for Sage is Sharpened Tooth Arrow against bosses? Well guess what, lvl 100 and there's Bloow Vow, an 18% HP debuff. So deciding your cultivation on a 2% life difference that is only usable in PvP, which you don't do, and bosses, which are just that, bosses. I doubt I'm the only one who thinks that's ridiculous.If you disregard what I say because of who I am or because of the contents of what I said, you are a fool.
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Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »Not the point. It can be done.
So basically, your argument for Sage is Sharpened Tooth Arrow against bosses? Well guess what, lvl 100 and there's Bloow Vow, an 18% HP debuff. So deciding your cultivation on a 2% life difference that is only usable in PvP, which you don't do, and bosses, which are just that, bosses. I doubt I'm the only one who thinks that's ridiculous.
idk what price is here but where i play 1 book from 20 is 5m for lv100 skill till sharptooth max 20m b:surrender
idk if u feel the differencebut i feel between 100m skill and 20m.(if u are sht unlucky like me and waste 300+ mirage for getting the room 38 in cube of fate and eahc mirage cost 100k and its only 1 step from long lv100 culti then my u rethink to ur budget)
idk how many u play but if u get all skill,eq at lv99without cash shop then u will my idol :P
who already collected it at 99 or used real money or no lifed with few hour sleep.0 -
Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »idk what price is here but where i play 1 book from 20 is 5m for lv100 skill till sharptooth max 20m b:surrender
idk if u feel the differencebut i feel between 100m skill and 20m.(if u are sht unlucky like me and waste 300+ mirage for getting the room 38 in cube of fate and eahc mirage cost 100k and its only 1 step from long lv100 culti then my u rethink to ur budget)
idk how many u play but if u get all skill,eq at lv99without cash shop then u will my idol :P●Wizard (Male) - Fasditious and pretentious, carries the arrogance of intellectual superiority. Feels the need to remind everyone of his world-ending power, but grows a little manic and unhinged when he finally is allowed to unleash it. "Ahh-hahahahaha!! NOW YOU ALL BURN!!!!"
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Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »idk how many u play but if u get all skill,eq at lv99without cash shop then u will my idol :P
Lady Asterelle did. She never spent real life money on the game, has all Demon skills, and this is her build: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=e45ab73d7aa1b8aa (you can see it on her profile).
Idolize her. Now.0 -
Astoru - Heavens Tear wrote: »I can make nearly 14 million a week from farming wine mats and herbs, respectively. Sure, you have to allocate about 2 hours a day to do it lucratively, but it's money.
A dedicated, well-organized merchant can make much more than that.
And really, arguing cost efficiency in a debate about something like this is pointless. It's the same as what Wizzeled said, "When you can afford the top gear, Sage>Demon", except that this guy is saying the exact opposite.
Really, arguing efficiency is a whole different discussion, a subset. Arguing the superset based on the subset is foolish, it's just like saying "Because bunnies exist, Easter Bunny is real."Lady Asterelle did. She never spent real life money on the game, has all Demon skills, and this is her build: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=e45ab73d7aa1b8aa (you can see it on her profile).
And indeed, Asterelle has achieved the great goal of having all lvl 11 skills and lvl 101, so the only thing left is gear.If you disregard what I say because of who I am or because of the contents of what I said, you are a fool.
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Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »A dedicated, well-organized merchant can make much more than that.●Wizard (Male) - Fasditious and pretentious, carries the arrogance of intellectual superiority. Feels the need to remind everyone of his world-ending power, but grows a little manic and unhinged when he finally is allowed to unleash it. "Ahh-hahahahaha!! NOW YOU ALL BURN!!!!"
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Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »Lady Asterelle did. She never spent real life money on the game, has all Demon skills, and this is her build: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=e45ab73d7aa1b8aa (you can see it on her profile).
Idolize her. Now.
tt90 chest at lv101?b:shutupI can make nearly 14 million a week from farming wine mats and herbs, respectively. Sure, you have to allocate about 2 hours a day to do it lucratively, but it's money.
i sold only 1 demon skill for 110m in my server and still was problem from that why i sold that cheap for guild mate (ok was demon stone barrier)
but i cant do nothing with my 14m if 1 gold mat for tt99 is over 60m still my problem dont have ppl who sell it, and dont use it XD when only a orb grade 5 have 12m price then i dont really can get my uber eq at lv99.0 -
Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »i sold only 1 demon skill for 110m in my server and still was problem from that why i sold that cheap for guild mate (ok was demon stone barrier)
but i cant do nothing with my 14m if 1 gold mat for tt99 is over 60m still my problem dont ahve ppl who sell it and dont use it XD
So basically, you're arguing the prices based on some private server? That makes no sense, again. Which seems to be pretty common for you, for the record.If you disregard what I say because of who I am or because of the contents of what I said, you are a fool.
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Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »So basically, you're arguing the prices based on some private server? That makes no sense, again. Which seems to be pretty common for you, for the record.
lol who talk about private server? this make no sense :P if i play in private server than i dont think its problem to getting ur gear. dont tell to others but not only 1 offcial pw server exist ...
i play here only for tideborn, so i try before i get and i learn them before they arrive to my server.
ok still pwi have a bit better price but in most of f2p price only go up.0 -
Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »So basically, you're arguing the prices based on some private server? That makes no sense, again. Which seems to be pretty common for you, for the record.
I...think she meant server as in "Lost City".[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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