Earthen rift and AoEing at 85+
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Killermate - Harshlands wrote: »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc7jLMTXfHk
Just so you have an idea WTF i was talking about and keep complaining about my oracle skills which i haven't use much since LvL76.
All self-buffed.
no chill of the deep? your not auto attacking so why not ? O_O0 -
Ulfhednar - Heavens Tear wrote: »no chill of the deep? your not auto attacking so why not ? O_O
watch it closer.0 -
why is the oracle noob flaming the other assassin for using a bow o.o?
plentyof dex BMs use them, dont see why you cant stack interval and a demon spark to pick off noobs from a distance like they do.
itd also help in places where melee is just plain dangerous, IE FB70, whereas the physical AOE off guarnob is rather painful. exploding mobs for lower levels in FB39 too...
its also more efficient on swimming and air quests, alot of those are a pain to go from one to another to melee, and you risk getting jumped when theyre grouped. things like motheran dazzlewings tend to do that. bow makes them safer.
oracle noob should be more open minded
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AndyNagato - Lost City wrote: »why is the oracle noob flaming the other assassin for using a bow o.o?
plentyof dex BMs use them, dont see why you cant stack interval and a demon spark to pick off noobs from a distance like they do.
itd also help in places where melee is just plain dangerous, IE FB70, whereas the physical AOE off guarnob is rather painful. exploding mobs for lower levels in FB39 too...
its also more efficient on swimming and air quests, alot of those are a pain to go from one to another to melee, and you risk getting jumped when theyre grouped. things like motheran dazzlewings tend to do that. bow makes them safer.
oracle noob should be more open minded.
I would care if you were at least a 7X Sin cuz from what you just said it shows that you haven't play sin. Also i already explained why all you posted above fails and i'm not repeating myself. kthxbai
P.S: I have one shot 7X arcanes with mere throw dagger, let me know when you can do that with a bow. And don't forget we don't even have triple spark yet. b:chuckle0 -
Killermate - Harshlands wrote: »we don't even have triple spark yet. b:chuckle
Damn, we don't even have the sparks? ._.
I figured we would at least get those...I should ask the 9x demon sin on my server what all he got. b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Super_Trout - Dreamweaver wrote: »Damn, we don't even have the sparks? ._.
I figured we would at least get those...I should ask the 9x demon sin on my server what all he got. b:surrender
well, technically if you are 89 and do the cultivation you are supposed to gain a chi gauge of 3+, but then again you are not supposed to be able to buy skills from the "assassin trainers" which would mean no access to hell/sage sparks.
I'll confirm this by tomorrow when i hit 89.0 -
or if you werent so close minded, you'd realize this was an alt that was being posted on; avatar level/forum join date DO NOT indicate the player's experience. if anything, other posters have proven you to be close minded to the fact bows can be used efficiently on a number of other classes, including BM and assassin.Killermate - Harshlands wrote: »I would care if you were at least a 7X Sin cuz from what you just said it shows that you haven't play sin. Also i already explained why all you posted above fails and i'm not repeating myself. kthxbai
P.S: I have one shot 7X arcanes with mere throw dagger, let me know when you can do that with a bow. And don't forget we don't even have triple spark yet. b:chuckle
forgot to list, bow can be used to lure in FBs as well.
theres a number of uses you just flat out ignored, and claimed your logic is far superior to our experience, just because youre an oh so mighty 88. take the time to get your ego in check, then try again buddy.
edit: screenie the 'mere dagger throw' because it doesnt do much damage. not to mention 7x arcanes with no def isnt that impressive, even if it were true; just makes you another dude who PKs lowbies because he cant kill people his own level.0 -
AndyNagato - Lost City wrote: »or if you werent so close minded, you'd realize this was an alt that was being posted on; avatar level/forum join date DO NOT indicate the player's experience. if anything, other posters have proven you to be close minded to the fact bows can be used efficiently on a number of other classes, including BM and assassin.
forgot to list, bow can be used to lure in FBs as well.
theres a number of uses you just flat out ignored, and claimed your logic is far superior to our experience, just because youre an oh so mighty 88. take the time to get your ego in check, then try again buddy.
edit: screenie the 'mere dagger throw' because it doesnt do much damage. not to mention 7x arcanes with no def isnt that impressive, even if it were true; just makes you another dude who PKs lowbies because he cant kill people his own level.
Why would u use bow agaisnt other classes? b:laugh I have pked against assasins nd their greatest asset is being able to go invisible nd then atk the opponent with their skills, but as far as I know they cant do any of those using a bow lol BMs have a great physical def nd correct me Im wrong but sins dont have any kind of magical skills (meaning BM can pop up phy marrow) so how much dmg would u do to a BM using a bow? Well, not enough to even kill him.
Bow has sum uses in pve like u said but not in pvp (at least against ppl your lvl range), I mean never. The only time using a bow against other classes would work is if they were really low lvls comparing to u nd you would b using em jus for the lols.0 -
AndyNagato - Lost City wrote: »or if you werent so close minded, you'd realize this was an alt that was being posted on; avatar level/forum join date DO NOT indicate the player's experience. if anything, other posters have proven you to be close minded to the fact bows can be used efficiently on a number of other classes, including BM and assassin.
forgot to list, bow can be used to lure in FBs as well.
theres a number of uses you just flat out ignored, and claimed your logic is far superior to our experience, just because youre an oh so mighty 88. take the time to get your ego in check, then try again buddy.
edit: screenie the 'mere dagger throw' because it doesnt do much damage. not to mention 7x arcanes with no def isnt that impressive, even if it were true; just makes you another dude who PKs lowbies because he cant kill people his own level.
Hello, My name is Ms. I type fancy and talk about a class i have never played.
LOL anyone who has played sin past 60 knows you are a re-tard and that is what matters0 -
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Killermate - Harshlands wrote: »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc7jLMTXfHk
Just so you have an idea WTF i was talking about and keep complaining about my oracle skills which i haven't use much since LvL76.
All self-buffed.
me see's a lot of hp there...possibly more than any non CS crazy sin could earn reasonably
me also see's unnesecary charm **** when you could kill the mobs 1v1 far fast
...."facedesk"
you can kill those sam mobs for amost nothing with 1v1 grind and can kill them almost as quickly
thus while you CAN aoe its just not effectiveGifs are hard to make work here0 -
Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »me see's a lot of hp there...possibly more than any non CS crazy sin could earn reasonably
me also see's unnesecary charm **** when you could kill the mobs 1v1 far fast
...."facedesk"
you can kill those sam mobs for amost nothing with 1v1 grind and can kill them almost as quickly
thus while you CAN aoe its just not effective
her HP charm ticked once as far as i can see and ud waste tons more MP if u were to take on those Mobs 1v1 skill spamming. also all of the mobs went down in about 2 or 3 aoe hits without chill. thats pretty fast. i doubt u could kill the same ammount of mobs in 1v1 faster then that'.
but u can always fraps a vid so we can see how 1v1 compares to it otherwise =D? after all this thread is about comparing the usefulness of aoeing for sins. so u can fraps a vid to show the usefulness of 1v1ing over that style of AoEing and prove ur point.0 -
AndyNagato - Lost City wrote: »or if you werent so close minded, you'd realize this was an alt that was being posted on; avatar level/forum join date DO NOT indicate the player's experience. if anything, other posters have proven you to be close minded to the fact bows can be used efficiently on a number of other classes, including BM and assassin.
forgot to list, bow can be used to lure in FBs as well.
theres a number of uses you just flat out ignored, and claimed your logic is far superior to our experience, just because youre an oh so mighty 88. take the time to get your ego in check, then try again buddy.
edit: screenie the 'mere dagger throw' because it doesnt do much damage. not to mention 7x arcanes with no def isnt that impressive, even if it were true; just makes you another dude who PKs lowbies because he cant kill people his own level.
no, bows are not efficient. stop saying they are. if u continue to say they are then pls post a few vids/screens proving that they are because rly they are not efficient at all lol... but hey w/e, enjoy doing 60% less melee hits using a bow while atking with a 0.80 atk rate tho.0 -
Super_Trout - Dreamweaver wrote: »What are you talking about, charm raep? Their HP charm ticked ONCE. And yeah, the MP charm was ticking quite a bit, but it would tick MUCH more if you were using skills to kill that many mobs one at a time...
i talk about that ur charm could bit tick often than a bm charm and that enough costly,this wht alot bm reduce alot cost with a cleric.0 -
if you do not have anything to counter my argument on how they can be used to make life easier, please do not respond at all.Ballistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »no, bows are not efficient. stop saying they are. if u continue to say they are then pls post a few vids/screens proving that they are because rly they are not efficient at all lol... but hey w/e, enjoy doing 60% less melee hits using a bow while atking with a 0.80 atk rate tho.0 -
Ballistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »her HP charm ticked once as far as i can see and ud waste tons more MP if u were to take on those Mobs 1v1 skill spamming. also all of the mobs went down in about 2 or 3 aoe hits without chill. thats pretty fast. i doubt u could kill the same ammount of mobs in 1v1 faster then that'.
but u can always fraps a vid so we can see how 1v1 compares to it otherwise =D? after all this thread is about comparing the usefulness of aoeing for sins. so u can fraps a vid to show the usefulness of 1v1ing over that style of AoEing and prove ur point.
ROTP>HF>drake sweep>highland cleave>fan of flames>fissure
all dead
clerics can just IH purify razor/ tempest
venos have hercs
who said you have to skill spam to grind as a sin?
keep paint on>rip strike>slash to death
anything else is just a huge waste of MP
and at shadows: bms can self heal with sutra and will just use a mp regen apoth and we get free aoe'n charms are both unnesecary and costlyGifs are hard to make work here0 -
AndyNagato - Lost City wrote: »if you do not have anything to counter my argument on how they can be used to make life easier, please do not respond at all.
read back on the thread. ppl have been countering ur "argument" on why u shouldnt use bows with a sin since the argument began. the only reasonable argument to using bows with a sin is when fighting certain mobs/bosses in certain fbs so u wont take aggro or to avoid from being killed like on the exploding mobs.0 -
Ballistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »read back on the thread. ppl have been countering ur "argument" on why u shouldnt use bows with a sin since the argument began. the only reasonable argument to using bows with a sin is when fighting certain mobs/bosses in certain fbs so u wont take aggro or to avoid from being killed like on the exploding mobs.
bow's make a good situational sidearm
would you use one to grind? hell no
but in say fb 59 the triocs get old fast and its nice to have a easy response to them + you can still burn spark
b:byeGifs are hard to make work here0 -
Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »bow's make a good situational sidearm
would you use one to grind? hell no
but in say fb 59 the triocs get old fast and its nice to have a easy response to them + you can still burn spark
b:bye
ya thats what i said on there counter argument for sins using bows o.O. but ppl seem to be using bows in PvP and for general grinding as a sin... which is just utterly stupid.0 -
more points why a bow is good. you can tank bosses with one. archers do it all the time on pyro/FB59; we have the same armor, so shouldnt be any different other that slightly less damage for keeping aggro.
its rather sad how you and killermate only resort to ad hominem argumentum; seriously you have done nothing to refute the usefulness of a bow. all youve done is sat an insulted me, this is your cue to think before you press letters/enter.0 -
AndyNagato - Lost City wrote: »more points why a bow is good. you can tank bosses with one. archers do it all the time on pyro/FB59; we have the same armor, so shouldnt be any different other that slightly less damage for keeping aggro.
its rather sad how you and killermate only resort to ad hominem argumentum; seriously you have done nothing to refute the usefulness of a bow. all youve done is sat an insulted me, this is your cue to think before you press letters/enter.
/facepalm
whats the point of even arguing with these kids anymore.b:surrender sin DOES NOT equal ARCHER god. archers can freaking do it because they have BOW SKILLS TO BACK THEM UP IN ORDER TO DO IT. sins DO NOT have bow skills. if a sin uses bow all we have is our melee which means we will do LESS DMG THEN ARCHERS DO WITH BOWS AND HAVE LESS RANGE. we are not freaking archers so stop comparing a sin to a archer. why the **** would u tank with a sin while using a bow? and slightly less dmg? try 60% less dmg -_-
if ur seriouslly gonna try to tank using a bow then... u know what? **** it. im tired of arguing with u guys.0 -
THE SAME REASON A VENO CAN TANK A WORLD BOSS WITH A RANGED PET, OR AN ARCHER TANKS A BOSS WITH AT A RANGE. (go ask tweakz in the veno forum, eldergoth marksmen is the equivalent of a pet with a bow. he solos world bosses with it standing at a range and taking hits from world bosses LOW magic attack.)
some bosses use only magic, jesus christ, do you know how much that lowers their damage potential?
you do not need to be an archer to do things with a bow.
you do not need bow skills to make use of them.
if you blockheads would stop being arrogant for one second, and stop thinking classes are stuck to doing a specific task, and realize there is more to classes than you think... youd be amazed at some things some classes can do with unorthadox methods.
YOU DO NOT NEED A BARB TO TANK SOME BOSSES, LA classes can do it from a range.
YOU DO NOT NEED A VENO TO LURE. arrows can do that in some instances
YOU DO NOT NEED TO GET IN RANGE OF SOME BOSSES AOES, thats asking for a death sentence.
you have no argument, you have no idea what youre talking about.0 -
AndyNagato - Lost City wrote: »THE SAME REASON A VENO CAN TANK A WORLD BOSS WITH A RANGED PET, OR AN ARCHER TANKS A BOSS WITH AT A RANGE. (go ask tweakz in the veno forum, eldergoth marksmen is the equivalent of a pet with a bow. he solos world bosses with it standing at a range and taking hits from world bosses LOW magic attack.)
some bosses use only magic, jesus christ, do you know how much that lowers their damage potential?
you do not need to be an archer to do things with a bow.
you do not need bow skills to make use of them.
if you blockheads would stop being arrogant for one second, and stop thinking classes are stuck to doing a specific task, and realize there is more to classes than you think... youd be amazed at some things some classes can do with unorthadox methods.
YOU DO NOT NEED A BARB TO TANK SOME BOSSES, LA classes can do it from a range.
YOU DO NOT NEED A VENO TO LURE. arrows can do that in some instances
YOU DO NOT NEED TO GET IN RANGE OF SOME BOSSES AOES, thats asking for a death sentence.
you have no argument, you have no idea what youre talking about.
sigh.... ur bringing eldergoth vs a magical mob into this now? do u know that eldergoths have high magical defens so they are easily able to tank magic based mobs?
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if ur rly going to try to tank anything with a sin then u might as well throw in the daggers and do 60% more dmg while having a much faster atk speed. especially since magic atks hurt alot more on sins then physical atks.
luring? u dont need a bow for that either. using a genie skill or dagger throw is sufficient enought. i already said that in some situations a bow might be plausible. but u are talking about TANKING a boss with a bow. do u know how much that will lower ur dmg potential?
but since u seem to be so ****ing sure of urself, go download fraps (it only takes less then a min) and fraps urself tanking a boss with a bow and killing it as u are describing. make sure its a magic bassed boss to since that is also ur main argument.0 -
if ur rly going to try to tank anything with a sin then u might as well throw in the daggers and do 60% more dmg while having a much faster atk speed. especially
no, no you should not. 1 magic cast after a few seconds hurts alot less than taking the brute force of melee hits repetitively.
the option of tanking is for if there is not a barb present, you can subsitute as a tank. the point is NOT about damage potential, its about making BHs happen with irregular squads, archers, wizards, clerics even can all tank magic bosses like this, so can assassins.0 -
AndyNagato - Lost City wrote: »no, no you should not. 1 magic cast after a few seconds hurts alot less than taking the brute force of melee hits repetitively.
the option of tanking is for if there is not a barb present, you can subsitute as a tank. the point is NOT about damage potential, its about making BHs happen with irregular squads, archers, wizards, clerics even can all tank magic bosses like this, so can assassins.
um no seeing as how i can just cast focus mind, deaden nervs and blood paint and have a cleric heal me and i can still tank while using daggers. not to mention that daggers will alow me to spark up ALOT compared to just plain using bows. point is not only will i be able to tank the mob but i will also be doing more DPS and thus bringing it down faster. it will be overall more efficent and less hassle then if i were to use a bow to tank.
ur forgetting that the more time u spend on a mob= the more dmg will be dealt to u. the less time u spend killing something the less dmg it will deal.0 -
wrong. you are obviously inexperienced... unless you have an ungodly amount of HP, melee will destroy you on bosses, taking them from a range lowers their damage being done. if there is no barb avaliable for tanking, nor does a BM feel up to the task, you or a fellw LA compatriot can take up the tanking from a range.Ballistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »um no seeing as how i can just cast focus mind, deaden nervs and blood paint and have a cleric heal me and i can still tank while using daggers. not to mention that daggers will alow me to spark up ALOT compared to just plain using bows. point is not only will i be able to tank the mob but i will also be doing more DPS and thus bringing it down faster. it will be overall more efficent and less hassle then if i were to use a bow to tank.
ur forgetting that the more time u spend on a mob= the more dmg will be dealt to u. the less time u spend killing something the less dmg it will deal.
seriously, stop with the confidence, your inexperience is showing in large amounts...0 -
AndyNagato - Lost City wrote: »wrong. you are obviously inexperienced... unless you have an ungodly amount of HP, melee will destroy you on bosses, taking them from a range lowers their damage being done. if there is no barb avaliable for tanking, nor does a BM feel up to the task, you or a fellw LA compatriot can take up the tanking from a range.
seriously, stop with the confidence, your inexperience is showing in large amounts...
sigh. u rly have no idea on how to use a sin do u? hmm i guess thats why i was able to tank quinzi while only having 1.5k HP. all it took was a nice cleric healing and a bronze charm. and even then my charm didnt tick much at all. pls actually make a sin before u talk bs. and if u already have one then i suggest u stop the oracling. its bad for ur health.0 -
AndyNagato - Lost City wrote: »more points why a bow is good. you can tank bosses with one. archers do it all the time on pyro/FB59; we have the same armor, so shouldnt be any different other that slightly less damage for keeping aggro.
its rather sad how you and killermate only resort to ad hominem argumentum; seriously you have done nothing to refute the usefulness of a bow. all youve done is sat an insulted me, this is your cue to think before you press letters/enter.
LOl GL keeping agroo. i already explained how this kind of tankign is a waste when you have anti dmg buff that syncs with evasion, skills that give you chi to spark on recharge(agroo holding), and have a skill that gives -50% attack speeds on targets.
GTFO Nub.0 -
can you get your head out of the clouds for one minute and LISTEN. we're not talking some noob FB29 boss, im talking about things that you face 70+. until you actually get some real game experience, stop arguing as if you know the assassin inside and out.Ballistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »sigh. u rly have no idea on how to use a sin do u? hmm i guess thats why i was able to tank quinzi while only having 1.5k HP. all it took was a nice cleric healing and a bronze charm. and even then my charm didnt tick much at all. pls actually make a sin before u talk bs. and if u already have one then i suggest u stop the oracling. its bad for ur health.
until you can think out side the noob box, stop giving misleading advice. you are inexperienced, and your posts show so.
evasion = uselessLOl GL keeping agroo. i already explained how this kind of tankign is a waste when you have anti dmg buff that syncs with evasion, skills that give you chi to spark on recharge(agroo holding), and have a skill that gives -50% attack speeds on targets.
GTFO Nub.
damage evasion buff = long cool down/doesnt last that long
and if a herc can be used to tank/build aggro when its obviously weaker than players melee wise, a bow can hold it too when used on a pure dex assassin.
if youre going to keep resorting to playground insults, i suggest you go back to elementary school.0 -
AndyNagato - Lost City wrote: »can you get your head out of the clouds for one minute and LISTEN. we're not talking some noob FB29 boss, im talking about things that you face 70+. until you actually get some real game experience, stop arguing as if you know the assassin inside and out.
until you can think out side the noob box, stop giving misleading advice. you are inexperienced, and your posts show so.
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