Earthen rift and AoEing at 85+
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AndyNagato - Lost City wrote: »can you get your head out of the clouds for one minute and LISTEN. we're not talking some noob FB29 boss, im talking about things that you face 70+. until you actually get some real game experience, stop arguing as if you know the assassin inside and out.
until you can think out side the noob box, stop giving misleading advice. you are inexperienced, and your posts show so.
so thats why u compared a eldergoth to a archer and a sin right? pls stfu already because it is obvious u have no clue on what ur talking about. we already gave u reasons to why bows are only usefull in certain situations. and u also fail to look at the skills a sin has that makes his daggers more usefull then bows overall. ur so stupid as to go so far to use a eldergoth against a weak magic based mob as a defense. pls stfu already with that "no experience" **** and get some of ur own.0 -
Ballistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »so thats why u compared a eldergoth to a archer and a sin right? pls stfu already because it is obvious u have no clue on what ur talking about. we already gave u reasons to why bows are only usefull in certain situations. and u also fail to look at the skills a sin has that makes his daggers more usefull then bows overall. ur so stupid as to go so far to use a eldergoth against a weak magic based mob as a defense. pls stfu already with that "no experience" **** and get some of ur own.
Dude just ignore this nub. Let it be that fail sin everyone feeds their kill count on.0 -
ya im done arguing with him now. he obviously has no idea on what he is talking about and i doubt he has a sin at all. especially seeing as i have tanked quinzi and fb 39 trioc at close range and the 7x sins in my guild also tanked a few fb bosses at there lvl. infact it was from them that i learned a sin can indeed tank a boss at close range with daggers if absolutly needed. but w/e.0
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my god, people do not know how to read; its almost as if you just skim over my posts, skim out what you like, and make up this frivilous garbage as fact. none of the things coming out of your mouth have anything to do with what ive typed.Ballistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »so thats why u compared a eldergoth to a archer and a sin right? pls stfu already because it is obvious u have no clue on what ur talking about. we already gave u reasons to why bows are only usefull in certain situations. and u also fail to look at the skills a sin has that makes his daggers more usefull then bows overall. ur so stupid as to go so far to use a eldergoth against a weak magic based mob as a defense. pls stfu already with that "no experience" **** and get some of ur own.
gain some reading comprehension, and grow up; ignorant twits.0 -
AndyNagato - Lost City wrote: »my god, people do not know how to read; its almost as if you just skim over my posts, skim out what you like, and make up this frivilous garbage as fact. none of the things coming out of your mouth have anything to do with what ive typed.
gain some reading comprehension, and grow up; ignorant twits.THE SAME REASON A VENO CAN TANK A WORLD BOSS WITH A RANGED PET, OR AN ARCHER TANKS A BOSS WITH AT A RANGE. (go ask tweakz in the veno forum, eldergoth marksmen is the equivalent of a pet with a bow. he solos world bosses with it standing at a range and taking hits from world bosses LOW magic attack.)
now pls gtfo cuz ur only making urself look like more of a idiotb:surrender and pls learn the difference between high M def and low M def.0 -
no, you are making yourself look like the ignorant one.
those are all given instances where tanking at a range benefits more than direct tanking via melee.
world boss + herc melee tank = 2 shot herc w/o multiple venos healing.
world boss + eldergoth tank = can be soloed.
no barb around? no bm around? how can we tank qianji !?! let her cast magic over and over, it wont kill you, her melee will.
drake too? he just spams a fire DOT from a range, easily purified, easily tanked with a bow.
do you have any more fail you'd like to throw out, or shall i give more examples on why range tanking > melee tanking in some cases?0 -
AndyNagato - Lost City wrote: »no, you are making yourself look like the ignorant one.
those are all given instances where tanking at a range benefits more than direct tanking via melee.
world boss + herc melee tank = 2 shot herc w/o multiple venos healing.
world boss + eldergoth tank = can be soloed.
no barb around? no bm around? how can we tank qianji !?! let her cast magic over and over, it wont kill you, her melee will.
drake too? he just spams a fire DOT from a range, easily purified, easily tanked with a bow.
do you have any more fail you'd like to throw out, or shall i give more examples on why range tanking > melee tanking in some cases?
rofl k. after this i am definatly done arguing with u. good night. but i will say to stop comparing pets like a eldergoth/herc to a sin kk?0 -
bye, noobBallistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »rofl k. after this i am definatly done arguing with u. good night.
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Cyanea - Lost City wrote: »Except that that 60% extra damage is 60% of your equipment damage. So if you have 300 dexterity, you are comparing 300% equipment damage (100% you get for free +200% you get for having 300 dexterity) with 360% damage which winds up being 20% extra damage.
And.. 20% damage matters, and so does attack rate. But sometimes a bow's attack rate will beat several 15 second skill cooldowns .
you can't hold agroo with a bow, while with daggers you need to DD slow or you may take agroo from tank.
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you can hold aggro with a bow, just like a herc can hold aggro from a party's archer, you ask your party to do exactly what you just said, jesus christ.you need to DD slow or you may take agroo from tank0
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AndyNagato - Lost City wrote: »you can hold aggro with a bow, just like a herc can hold aggro from a party's archer, you ask your party to do exactly what you just said, jesus christ.
Your idea of sin bow tanking is so re-tarded & inefficient that im not even gonna write anything else b:chuckle The whole idea defeats itself.0 -
AndyNagato - Lost City wrote: »you can hold aggro with a bow, just like a herc can hold aggro from a party's archer, you ask your party to do exactly what you just said, jesus christ.
u fail to realize that a herc has a reflect skill which is where most of there aggro comes from. they also have other aggro skills to have them keep enought aggro. so stop acting as if u know wat u talking about kk?
i know i said id stop arguing wit him but thats the last time i swear
maybe, just cuz its fun
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wrong, any pet with multiple aggro skills can still out DD, and peel aggro from a herc. if one is tanking it needs to build aggro for a bit before others can attack. use common sense like oracle noob keeps spouting.Ballistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »u fail to realize that a herc has a reflect skill which is where most of there aggro comes from. they also have other aggro skills to have them keep enought aggro. so stop acting as if u know wat u talking about kk?
i know i said id stop arguing wit him but thats the last time i swear
maybe, just cuz its fun0 -
AndyNagato - Lost City wrote: »wrong, any pet with multiple aggro skills can still out DD, and peel aggro from a herc. if one is tanking it needs to build aggro for a bit before others can attack. use common sense like oracle noob keeps spouting.
yet u keep saying on how a herc can keep aggro now ur reversing it saying any pet can steal from it? b:shocked
also get ready for a long wait for a sin using a bow to build enought aggro to hold. but anyone with any common sense would have left the squad at that point soon as they seen a sin switch to bow in order to gain aggro on a boss to tank it.0 -
no, you ESL idiot, its called comparisons, learn to understand them.
you let a herc build aggro before you attack.
you would do the same for an assassin if they tried this tanking tactic.
you would do the same for a wizard or cleric should they try this tactic.
but nevermind, im arguing with stupid people, and theyre beating me with their experience at being stupid @_@;.get ready for a long wait for a sin using a bow to build enought aggro to hold.0 -
AndyNagato - Lost City wrote: »no, you ESL idiot, its called comparisons, learn to understand them.
you let a herc build aggro before you attack.
you would do the same for an assassin if they tried this tanking tactic.
you would do the same for a wizard or cleric should they try this tactic.
but nevermind, im arguing with stupid people, and theyre beating me with their experience at being stupid @_@;.
u dont compare a venos pets way of building aggro compared to other classes. every class has a diffrent method of building and keeping aggro. every class has a diffrent way of tanking bosses. the only way u can tank a boss with a sin and a bow is stand at a range and use melee shots. thats it. and if u do this then u will be called a idiot (just like ur being called right now) and ppl will never squad u again.
its not efficient it will get u killed because of how long it will take for u to kill the boss first of all, and the fact that u actually have less magic def. an archer will actually do a better job at tanking a boss from a range because of winged shell. they will also be doing significantly more dmg then a sin using a bow.
stop ****ing comparing classes to other classes and stop ****ing comparing pets to real classes. none of the classes are alike and its stupid to compare them as if they are.0 -
AndyNagato - Lost City wrote: »no, you ESL idiot, its called comparisons, learn to understand them.
you let a herc build aggro before you attack.
you would do the same for an assassin if they tried this tanking tactic.
you would do the same for a wizard or cleric should they try this tactic.
but nevermind, im arguing with stupid people, and theyre beating me with their experience at being stupid @_@;.
peeps who post on like level 3 alts are usually too ashamed to show off their fail mains. b:kiss
btw, i don't cs, but i still oracle with the money i get selling and buying items and it all works itself out in the end. pve grinding does not in anyway improve your overall skills at playing your class, and infact burns out my charm way faster than oracles. it all depends on the player itself, so before you go trolling others for oracling, just remember the 2 months we save oracling can be used to effectively learn our class. b:cute[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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