In case of a fail squad, what to do?

eatwithspoons

I usually try to wait for a few attempts, but when it is clear that we're not going to make progress it's like "alright everyone, see ya!" b:chuckle

Graviora - Dreamweaver

I just leave fail squads and tell them I plan not to squad with them in the future. b:cute

eatwithspoons

Graviora - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I just leave fail squads and tell them I plan not to squad with them in the future. b:cute

lol so mean! b:shocked

Azura - Lost City

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Another thing about fail squads. It might just be one person holding the squad back.

Yesterday - Bh 59 zimo for my Cleric 65

1 barb
2 clerics
1 archer
1 wizard

So we were running the instance. Asked barb to go true form and use roar so we can heal.

Barb say's "its not my job to tank mobs; I tank boss"

reply, "we can't heal you if you don't grab aggro from all the mobs;

barb, "well then you tank one"

I did...for awhile....

we go along

I ask again, "barb please go true form so we can heal you'

Barb, "i can't tank more then 1 mob"

He aggro's 3 other cleric heals she grabs aggro I grab one archer grabs another archer dies.

Please grab aggro i say,

his reply, "if you know so much about playing a barb go roll one'

I say, " i don't need to I play a bm and tank fine please go true form and tank. That is your role"

He reply's " Its your fault if you can't keep everyone alive that's your role.

Finally tired I say, " boot barb from party. I'll tank rest of bh and zimo"

He gets booted. Whispers me QQ'n

We get to zimo My cleric tanks and we kill boss.

That's another way you handle fail squad members.....

That barbarian needs to unistall the game.

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary

I'm very slow to jump aboard the "fail" line of thought. Unless for example someone comes out with a completely idiotic comment and then fails to listen to any form of logic or reasoning.... like a single cleric insisting on using BB at pole, or only spamming iornheart.... or a barb who tells the BMs not to rob his agro (seriously happened, had to DD with a level 30 sword)...... or the wiz who insists on a barb for an easy boss cause he's gonna rob agro no matter what (just sit it out then you idiot -.-)..... or whatever, there's a long list.

If someone makes a simple mistake however, but apologizes or knows what went wrong and is trying their best I deal with it as best I can and pick up after it and move on. No biggie, accidents happen, most classes are usually prepared for accidents to occur. Even a squad wipe can happen, much nicer to laugh it off, run over what went wrong and go for it again prepared, than everyone curse and flame and fall out and have 3 ppl ragequit squad.

XylolyX - Heavens Tear

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Another thing about fail squads. It might just be one person holding the squad back.

Yesterday - Bh 59 zimo for my Cleric 65

1 barb
2 clerics
1 archer
1 wizard

So we were running the instance. Asked barb to go true form and use roar so we can heal.

Barb say's "its not my job to tank mobs; I tank boss"

reply, "we can't heal you if you don't grab aggro from all the mobs;

barb, "well then you tank one"

I did...for awhile....

we go along

I ask again, "barb please go true form so we can heal you'

Barb, "i can't tank more then 1 mob"

He aggro's 3 other cleric heals she grabs aggro I grab one archer grabs another archer dies.

Please grab aggro i say,

his reply, "if you know so much about playing a barb go roll one'

I say, " i don't need to I play a bm and tank fine please go true form and tank. That is your role"

He reply's " Its your fault if you can't keep everyone alive that's your role.

Finally tired I say, " boot barb from party. I'll tank rest of bh and zimo"

He gets booted. Whispers me QQ'n

We get to zimo My cleric tanks and we kill boss.

That's another way you handle fail squad members.....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...That story sounds better each time you tell it.

(BTW, It IS my job to aggro everything possible.)

Psytrac - Raging Tide

I tanked fb 19 with a lvl 19 squad on my barb, if that barb can'ttake on more than 1 they're in sad sad shape, I took on 3

XylolyX - Heavens Tear

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I never demon spark when squaded with you xylo......b:quiet

OMG You demon spark so often in squad that I think you're lighting your farts on fire.b:chuckle

Zora_Link - Dreamweaver

Fail squads I usually try to salvage it. But if they ask the Assassin to tank, it's hopeless so you should just leave them to die, don't even bother rezzing them later cuz they don't deserve rez.

Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

So, you decide to do your BH with a random squad. I take BH39 as an example. Squad consists of 2 DDs, 1 cleric, 1 barb, 1 veno and 1 BM. Everything goes fine until the boss. You see that one of the DDs grab aggro and is going to die.

Seems familiar, right? I am pretty sure most of us have seen that. Since my main is BM I have access to a powerful skill: Cloud Sprint. It can really save myself sometimes. But, is it right to GTFO as fast as you or should I run in and try to save the day? It seems that people always think that BMs and barbs should come running and try to save others. If, on the other hand, you are a veno or some other squishy class there's not much you can do for others. Sometimes even I feel myself so squishy that I'll only kill myself if I get aggro. Any thoughts what is right?

The role of the DD is to deal damage while not taking aggro. So many play DD's as if their jobs were to get out the biggest damage nukes in as quick a time as possible, but they fail to realize that DD's must adapt to the situation. This is not saying they shouldnt try to maximize their capability of dealing damage through equips (I try to get this as high as possible as well). But having this capability doesn't mean you should utilize it when the veno is tanking with a jaden qingfu or something. Regulation of damage is necessary to make a good DD.

Therefore, the wiz in your scenario was just bad.

A good wiz would understand that bm's have slightly less tanking capability than barbs and would moderate their damage output (not to say that bm's can't tank - I believe they can with good enough skill/equips) - likewise with veno pets.

Psytrac - Raging Tide

I end up taking agro in TT ALOT. so I have my kowlin tank and I spam heal, works ok usually

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

I was on a Qingzi run the other day (forget if it was FB or just a weapon token quest) along with a 71 archer, and no cleric. My beetle (my best aggro holder, bash 4 flesh ream 4 and roar 4) started tanking, then the archer went BoA fairly early. He yelled for the pet to take aggro back after he stole it, without stopping the BoA. Hello? If the pet could take aggro back, it wouldn't have lost it to start with.

Ilenka - Harshlands

HEY HI!!
Im a pure dex Archer lv 74.\

I usually steal aggro, hold it and never die. (however i must point out that Pyro killed me like 2 days ago, 1 shot kill... xD i didnt know he was gonna target me so quickly xD)

I have never run from mobs i get aggro on... and i never expect clerics to heal me when i intentionally get aggro from mob.
And i do tank stuff... i even tanked Fushma BH51 when i was lv 60ish.

I think the main reason from FAIL squads are people not playing their roll and being average on what to do. If a DD knows he /she can steal aggro and its not able of killing the thing, then he should stop.

I always tell my squad members that if i get aggro from one mob, ill be fine no need to help me. Obviously if 4 mobs come accross me i know i gotta run.

I think is a matter of knowing and being fully aware of your capabilities and adapt to the situation. If the cleric is getting aggro i usually kamikaze and get whatever aggro she/he has on. Why? Because they can res us later.

Ive been heroe of many clerics this way xD

So dont understimate DDs, we well trained (and with good gear) are very good on holding aggro and killing mobs.

Skybelle - Sanctuary

Archers have a skill though that absorbs damage. b:surrender Well, clerics have them too except it drains our MP quickly making me able to tank a few monsters as well.

But as a cleric, I don't run to the tank in case I pull aggro, I pop in plume shell and DD until I can't handle it and really need someone to help me.

b:surrender

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear

XylolyX - Heavens Tear wrote: »

OMG You demon spark so often in squad that I think you're lighting your farts on fire.b:chuckle

Dude I'm telling you Philadelphia Cheese steak with jalapeno's burn you up inside. b:victoryb:chuckle

Meeplk - Harshlands

i had the most fail barb in my bh 29 squad he was about 40 with level 10 gears on wtf?

Bladecutter - Sanctuary

Bms job= apparent youre being a good DDer and save the squad from wipes

so, in the case you mentioned you should run and try to save the DD by alpha male or anything that you can do even if it gets you killed, most bms are suicidal anyway xD

fail squad is not completely fail unless cleric is fail, you, as bm can do the rest of the job if you got a cleric healing you, if you dont, GL

Panthalassa - Dreamweaver

So I went for my Weapon Token (Qingzi) with a group consisting of myself (Psychic) and an Assassin (both level 20), a level 29 Veno, a level 40 Barb, and a level 34 Veno. The two highest leveled people got lost on the way through Secret Passage and couldn't find the entrance to Hall of Deception. Then the Veno that did make it, tried to tank magic mobs with a Glacial Walker. Better m.def than a Magmite, but not good enough. Ended up with pet death, Assassin death, Psychic death, and a Veno running back through the entrance right after the pet died.

Dioica - Sanctuary

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I was on a Qingzi run the other day (forget if it was FB or just a weapon token quest) along with a 71 archer, and no cleric. My beetle (my best aggro holder, bash 4 flesh ream 4 and roar 4) started tanking, then the archer went BoA fairly early. He yelled for the pet to take aggro back after he stole it, without stopping the BoA. Hello? If the pet could take aggro back, it wouldn't have lost it to start with.

I think this means that your beetle does not have roar?

Gaijen - Sanctuary

IMHO Your job as a BM is to protect the cleric (and the rest of the squad if possible) from random mobs and deal as much damage to the boss as you can without stealing aggro. It the tank dies, you step into the breach until the cleric can either rez the tank or get away so s/he can come back and rez the squad if necessary.

Now if the squad is just a totally dysfunctional bunch of cowboys competing for aggro, I'll try to get them to work together. If they refuse, I'll bail. I'm not gonna lay down my life so a bunch of idiots can play "whose is bigger." A valiant death is honorable. A stupid death is, well, stupid.

Psytrac - Raging Tide

Gaijen - Sanctuary wrote: »

IMHO Your job as a BM is to protect the cleric (and the rest of the squad if possible) from random mobs and deal as much damage to the boss as you can without stealing aggro. It the tank dies, you step into the breach until the cleric can either rez the tank or get away so s/he can come back and rez the squad if necessary.

Now if the squad is just a totally dysfunctional bunch of cowboys competing for aggro, I'll try to get them to work together. If they refuse, I'll bail. I'm not gonna lay down my life so a bunch of idiots can play "whose is bigger." A valiant death is honorable. A stupid death is, well, stupid.

typically that's what I do as a veno lol tank dies I hold agro till rezzed (if I can, on your own for wyvern lol)

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

Dioica - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think this means that your beetle does not have roar?

Tried roar, and it didn't make any difference, archer kept aggro (roar resets aggro, and sets aggro to a set amount for the roarer, and BoA was doing too much damage for the roar to make a difference. Pet roar doesn't generate as much aggro as barb roar.)

Redmenace - Heavens Tear

Psytrac - Raging Tide wrote: »

typically that's what I do as a veno lol tank dies I hold agro till rezzed (if I can, on your own for wyvern lol)

Quoted For Truth.

Too many DD's here who think there function is to crit early, crit often, and do anything possible to steal aggro from the tank. Then you can cry and point to the tank afterwards.

"L0L, FAIL BARB REROLL N00B!"

Barbs job is to hold the mob/bosses attention. DD's job is to do damage, without taking aggro away from the tank. He's holding it for you, so you can kill it! You're Welcome! Cleric's job is to heal tank.

Everyone's job is to be a backup for your squad mates, and to protect the cleric, who has your @ss in their hands.

Why is that so alien a concept?

Golder Rule applies - treat others the way you want to be treated. Treat your squad mates like ****, then dont cry when they kick yer @ss out.

RedMenace

Psytrac - Raging Tide

Redmenace - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Too many DD's here who think there function is to crit early, crit often, and do anything possible to steal aggro from the tank. Then you can cry and point to the tank afterwards.

I crit often, that's why I only usually heal my pet for a good half the fight. I'm build to crit, just not as much as an archer does. (tanks hate me sometimes and yes, I solo on my veno ALOT, that's why it's built like it is.)

Gaijen - Sanctuary

Redmenace - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Barbs job is to hold the mob/bosses attention. DD's job is to do damage, without taking aggro away from the tank. He's holding it for you, so you can kill it! You're Welcome! Cleric's job is to heal tank.

Everyone's job is to be a backup for your squad mates, and to protect the cleric, who has your @ss in their hands.

Why is that so alien a concept?

It should be obvious, but unfortunately it seems too many people concentrate on leveling rather than learning how to play their characters and how to function as part of a squad.

It is easier to blame someone else than it is to understand and function within the abilities and limitations of not only yourself, but of your team mates as well.

ewingoil

I plan on maxing up my revive and then go on the attack if anyone goes down i will just revive them.I am tired of going to town because most won't clear the way or put the wrong squad together letting to many venos in 3 is to much and no herc all golems.

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary

ewingoil wrote: »

I plan on maxing up my revive and then go on the attack if anyone goes down i will just revive them.I am tired of going to town because most won't clear the way or put the wrong squad together letting to many venos in 3 is to much and no herc all golems.

Re-roll. Right now. Do it.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

ewingoil wrote: »

I plan on maxing up my revive and then go on the attack if anyone goes down i will just revive them.I am tired of going to town because most won't clear the way or put the wrong squad together letting to many venos in 3 is to much and no herc all golems.

As a non-herc veno... a 3+ veno squad rocks. That's 3 extra tanks/DDs in the squad.

Psytrac - Raging Tide

ewingoil wrote: »

I plan on maxing up my revive and then go on the attack if anyone goes down i will just revive them.I am tired of going to town because most won't clear the way or put the wrong squad together letting to many venos in 3 is to much and no herc all golems.

I use a kowlin, and a shaodu. shaodu only lost to herc (of even levels) by about 10hp unbuffed

ewingoil

Psytrac - Raging Tide wrote: »

I use a kowlin, and a shaodu. shaodu only lost to herc (of even levels) by about 10hp unbuffed

That is nice as and good but most venos I squad with all have golems nothing else.