Building Assassin

rexberry

Hi. Just wondering if anyone had any ideas about how to build a PVP sin.

Regrettably, she gets her damage from dex...
(which doesn't make sense because dex is supposed to increase ranged physical damage and sins use daggers)

Anyways, this makes deciding whether or not to use Heavy Armor more difficult.

Heavy armor has great advantages, including much higher physical defense and highest +HP bonuses per refine level.

Heavy Armor requires 5 str per 2 levels to wear. This leaves only 5 points left for dex every 2 levels.

A lvl 130 HA build sin (5s/5d every 2 levels) has 17% critical rate (without bonuses)
while a lvl 130 LA build sin has 27% critical rate (without bonuses).

LA sins will have much higher DPS, but HA will have way more physical defense and HP. Here's something that will help put things into perspective:

Lvl 130 heavy armor w/ +12 refines gives 525 more HP than lvl 130 light armor w/ +12 refines, and this is only for the chest plate. Think about how much extra HP you'll have if you include wrists, legs, and boots.

What do you guys think? Which would you rather use? Opinions are welcome, can't do it all on my own Y( ^-')z.

Alyyy - Sanctuary

why do u ewen discuss this be4 its released...

maybe with the new races a enw kind of armour will eb released ESPECIALY for them


yesh...who cares about lvl 130 armour lol max is 105 and ewen that is hard as hell

Airyll - Dreamweaver

I would rather wait and play a 'sin on PWI, because we don't even know if they're actually going to have their own armor sets yet or not. They probably won't but nobody is truly, truly truly sure.

So yeah. Theories are great but if yours turns out to be flawed when the 'sins arrive, then... well, sucks for you. Personally, I'm just going to wait.

Ikurei - Dreamweaver

Ikurei - Dreamweaver wrote: »

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RedsRose - Lost City

rexberry wrote: »

A lvl 130 HA build sin (5s/5d every 2 levels) has 17% critical rate (without bonuses)
while a lvl 130 LA build sin has 27% critical rate (without bonuses).

LA sins will have much higher DPS, but HA will have way more physical defense and HP. Here's something that will help put things into perspective:

Lvl 130 heavy armor w/ +12 refines gives 525 more HP than lvl 130 light armor w/ +12 refines, and this is only for the chest plate. Think about how much extra HP you'll have if you include wrists, legs, and boots.

What do you guys think? Which would you rather use? Opinions are welcome, can't do it all on my own Y( ^-')z.

I LOL'd.....b:chuckle

Narore - Lost City

Hasn't it already been said their gonna use light armour?

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear

maybe they have both phys and mag skills to make things even more messed^^

PlayBoyRose - Dreamweaver

Narore - Lost City wrote: »

Hasn't it already been said their gonna use light armour?

Korren has confirmed that they Are Dex. Logically they are light armor types.

Heavy Armor Assassin, would be like a heavy armor archer.

The damage benefit out does the defense in my opinion, but ur gonna have to refine either way u go, for more damage or more defense.

but who needs hp when u Get tons of criticals, dodge a lot, High accuracy.
a lot of peeps will give up before they reach level 20 on an Assassin. Just like archers, they will have a hard time and claim the class sucks. Until they realize at higher levle they own like.........b:victory xD.
But that's off topic. This was a silly question anyways. No one knows. Unless they guess. But thats common sense.... And i cant quit talking...... Srry. xD
um Bye ._. im hoping u get my point b:bye

hemoglobin

there are assassins on another game i play. let me log in there and ask best build for it ok? brb

okie i asked and they said 3 str 2 dex

Trista_Zel - Dreamweaver

hemoglobin wrote: »

there are assassins on another game i play. let me log in there and ask best build for it ok? brb

WHAT!? Assassins on another game is NOT the same as assassins here. You are a complete fool for even considering it.

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary

hemoglobin wrote: »

there are assassins on another game i play. let me log in there and ask best build for it ok? brb

icwutudidthar

RedsRose - Lost City

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »

icuwutudidthar

This thread just makes me smile and laugh b:chuckleb:surrender

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary

This forum just makes me fail at school. Should be doing my work atm b:surrender

RedsRose - Lost City

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »

This forum just makes me fail at school. Should be doing my work atm b:surrender

b:surrender At work....kills the time between the calls and meetings and all that ****...

Good for a smile when in a rough patch b:victory

MagicHamsta - Lost City

oh noes~
b:shocked

Reikara - Heavens Tear

From the sound of things, assasins are high damage pew pew pvpers already.
If you take from their damage and add to defense, you're taking away the whole point of what an assasin is. They're not meant to have high physical defense and HP, what makes them formidable opponents is their stealth ability and high criticals.

They're meant to kill you before you even know they're there. Dex is for ranged phyiscal attack, well maybe the assasins have some long ranged melee skills. Dex is also for high criticals and evasion/accuracy. My suggestion is play one first as a pure build, get it to a higher level after you're completly familar with the class then decide's it's armour and pvp limits. Remember, you may be giving an assasin higher physical defense and HP, but some classes hit magical.

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary

Trista_Zel - Dreamweaver wrote: »

WHAT!? Assassins on another game is NOT the same as assassins here. You are a complete fool for even considering it.

ah, you would be the fool for taking that person seriously.

anyways... level 130.... sounds like a good plan.

Silver - Dreamweaver

this makes me giggle for the main point as...if someone found a good build for an assassin...Their not going to share it. I mean its like a grinding spot, u never share it and if someone finds it and asked you about it u just deny deny deny lmao

rexberry

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

From the sound of things, assasins are high damage pew pew pvpers already.
If you take from their damage and add to defense, you're taking away the whole point of what an assasin is. They're not meant to have high physical defense and HP, what makes them formidable opponents is their stealth ability and high criticals.

They're meant to kill you before you even know they're there. Dex is for ranged phyiscal attack, well maybe the assasins have some long ranged melee skills. Dex is also for high criticals and evasion/accuracy. My suggestion is play one first as a pure build, get it to a higher level after you're completly familar with the class then decide's it's armour and pvp limits. Remember, you may be giving an assasin higher physical defense and HP, but some classes hit magical.

Hi Reikara ~ Thanks for being one of the few who have taken my thread seriously. It's so hard to find nice and respectful people to talk to on here.
I don't think there's a such thing as "long ranged melee". Melee refers to close quarters combat. Here's the thing that bothers me most - open the "Character" window in game and hover your cursor of "Dexterity". It tells you that it increases ranged physical attack damage. From the video Korren linked us to, we saw that sins are based on close quarters melee fighting ~ which is what the "Strength" attribute was supposed to be for.
In any case, I think I'll take your advice and start with a pure build. The thing I'm most worried about is pvp versus the other melee classes ~ barbarians and blademasters. Against venos, clerics, wizards, and archers - a sin can use teleportation and invisibility. But do sins stand a chance versus barbs or bms? They have life leech and a life-saving charm-esque skill, but who knows if that'll be enough.
Bms get 15 HP per point of vit, and 10 accuracy + 10 evasion per point of dex while
sins get 13 HP per vit and 8 accuracy + 6 evasion per point of dex if I remember correctly T^T.

Hamsta, we know each other on LC. Please don't be rude.

Silver - Hopefully not everyone feels that way =\.

To everyone else ~ if this topic doesn't interest you and you have nothing helpful to add, all I'm asking is that you please don't post. Please, just stop the rudeness >.<''.

Korren - Lost City

rexberry wrote: »

Hi Reikara ~ Thanks for being one of the few who have taken my thread seriously. It's so hard to find nice and respectful people to talk to on here.
I don't think there's a such thing as "long ranged melee". Melee refers to close quarters combat. Here's the thing that bothers me most - open the "Character" window in game and hover your cursor of "Dexterity". It tells you that it increases ranged physical attack damage. From the video Korren linked us to, we saw that sins are based on close quarters melee fighting ~

after expansion, when u hover your cursor of "Dexterity" , it says: increase range weapon and daggers dmg, crit rate, acc and eva.

Assassin will be a pro range class killer cuz of the 2 teleport skill(one is 30meters range, another one is 35meters range and stun target for 3 seconds but need 1 spark). Its almost impossible to run away from assassin,he will always teleport by your side, b:cryespecially for Archers,he teleport directly into your weak range..

Assassin has a 2min buff, that can avoid death once and recover 20% hp, so he wont get one shot by any class.

Once in danger,**** can force into stealth mode(1 spark) to make u loose target..its rly annoying..

but when an Assassin fight w/ a BM or a Barb...b:cryb:cry

Alacol - Sanctuary

Korren - Lost City wrote: »

after expansion, when u hover your cursor of "Dexterity" , it says: increase range weapon and daggers dmg, crit rate, acc and eva.

Assassin will be a pro range class killer cuz of the 2 teleport skill(one is 30meters range, another one is 35meters range and stun target for 3 seconds but need 1 spark). Its almost impossible to run away from assassin,he will always teleport by your side, b:cryespecially for Archers,he teleport directly into your weak range..

Assassin has a 2min buff, that can avoid death once and recover 20% hp, so he wont get one shot by any class.

Once in danger,**** can force into stealth mode(1 spark) to make u loose target..its rly annoying..

but when an Assassin fight w/ a BM or a Barb...b:cryb:cry

This makes the class seem quite a bit more amazing, since I was lacking on info for this class. I was going to say you should probably wait it out, and when released, just look at the weapon/armor requirements, and distribute the points accordingly. If it's Dex based though, my assumption is the Archer Pure Dex setup will work well ^^

Waterboy - Lost City

kinda wonderin what is the use of stealth when we can locate specific classes with the T button

rexberry

Korren,

xD

Korren - Lost City

Waterboy - Lost City wrote: »

kinda wonderin what is the use of stealth when we can locate specific classes with the T button

b:surrender developpers aint noobs...ofcos T menu doesnt work.

rexberry wrote: »

Korren,

xD

b:shocked

Coraline - Lost City

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

b:surrender At work....kills the time between the calls and meetings and all that ****...

Good for a smile when in a rough patch b:victory

You should never be in a rough patch, only a patch of roses. <33

sniperad

Alacol - Sanctuary wrote: »

This makes the class seem quite a bit more amazing, since I was lacking on info for this class. I was going to say you should probably wait it out, and when released, just look at the weapon/armor requirements, and distribute the points accordingly. If it's Dex based though, my assumption is the Archer Pure Dex setup will work well ^^

Yes, when we know the weapons req we can start to make builds, coz we don't know if daggers need more str than bows or the same

Ikurei - Dreamweaver

sniperad wrote: »

Yes, when we know the weapons req we can start to make builds, coz we don't know if daggers need more str than bows or the same

It needs 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288(etc) dex per level and 0.28 str per level to equip daggers. Build nao gogogo!

sniperad

Ikurei - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It needs 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288(etc) dex per level and 0.28 str per level to equip daggers. Build nao gogogo!

LOL! Then the 4dex/1str build is a good build b:chuckle

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear

remind: even the best buffs can be purged^^

I've been told nixes love fish!

Ikurei - Dreamweaver

sniperad wrote: »

LOL! Then the 4dex/1str build is a good build b:chuckle

Nope, you only need 1 str every 3 levels. Who cares if your physical defense will be lower than a brown paper bag soaked in gasoline and you'll resist magic attacks as well as the above brown paper bag resists fire? Oh, and assassins get more evasion and accuracy from dex than BMs and they can evade magic attacks.
I'd like to take this time to say that nothing I said above is true.

MagicHamsta - Lost City

rexberry wrote: »

Hamsta, we know each other on LC. Please don't be rude.

b:shocked
me am scared.
(>.<)
b:infuriated

and sowwy.
me has teh boredom.
(T.T)'

although a heavy armor assassin might work.
(O.o)'
if they're able to use say.....calamities or something and their skills worked on a weapon damage %.
(o.O)'
assassins wielding giant axes.
(>.<)'