Pwi Debate Thread!
Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
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As the title says, I will be hosting debates in this thread but before we start, lets get a few rules down.
Watch Your Language- this includes name calling. I'm very sure everyone knows what is appropiate to say and what is not. If you won't say it to your parents, don't post it.
Respect Others Opinions- this thread is about people sharing their opinions on things. Please Respect them. If it gets to the point where they are completely wrong, let them know in a kind way.
Example 1:
Topic: What Weapon Should A Wizard Use?
Poster 1: They should use wands because of X, Y and Z.
What to NOT say:
You are an idiot. Magic Swords are better nub.
Better way to word it:
Well Magic Swords offer X, Y and Z which are more superior than what a wand can do thus magic swords are better.
No Flaming- no need to explain this one
Topics
Topics will be either one of my choice or one recommended by someone else. Send topic recommendations to me via forum PM and you will recieve credit for your topic idea. I WILL NOT DO TOPICS ABOUT THINGS SUCH AS ANNIVERSARY PACKS, THINGS NOT RELATED TO PWI AND OTHER THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
CURRENT TOPIC: Do you think leveling with Oracles is completely wrong? I'm not just talking about going from level 30-90 but also about going from level 89-90. Do You: A: Support the use of Oracles or B: Dont support the use of oracles. Remember NO FLAMING.
Past Topics:
Debate ON! b:cute
Watch Your Language- this includes name calling. I'm very sure everyone knows what is appropiate to say and what is not. If you won't say it to your parents, don't post it.
Respect Others Opinions- this thread is about people sharing their opinions on things. Please Respect them. If it gets to the point where they are completely wrong, let them know in a kind way.
Example 1:
Topic: What Weapon Should A Wizard Use?
Poster 1: They should use wands because of X, Y and Z.
What to NOT say:
You are an idiot. Magic Swords are better nub.
Better way to word it:
Well Magic Swords offer X, Y and Z which are more superior than what a wand can do thus magic swords are better.
No Flaming- no need to explain this one
Topics
Topics will be either one of my choice or one recommended by someone else. Send topic recommendations to me via forum PM and you will recieve credit for your topic idea. I WILL NOT DO TOPICS ABOUT THINGS SUCH AS ANNIVERSARY PACKS, THINGS NOT RELATED TO PWI AND OTHER THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
CURRENT TOPIC: Do you think leveling with Oracles is completely wrong? I'm not just talking about going from level 30-90 but also about going from level 89-90. Do You: A: Support the use of Oracles or B: Dont support the use of oracles. Remember NO FLAMING.
Past Topics:
Debate ON! b:cute
Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
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THE GAME.
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b:puzzled what decides teh difficulty of debates??
....you?
=O
also what exactly are we debating about.
X_x'
how we debate about our opinions...
(>.<)'
now me confoosed... but me opinions of teh tideborn = they fish people...we just train barbs to eat fish and presto tideborn not a threat.
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Kantorek: Yeah.. you should try it. It's awesome.
Sihndra: Nope- not currently possible under any circumstances. Sorry.
LokisDottir: I mean...not haunting the forums, nope nope..
Konariraiden: You don't know what you are up against. You will lose.
Waiting for...Hamster Packs!
58% chance to get tokens
41% chance to get an all class pet hamster....but they has already been freed by the magic hamster.
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Tideborn topics not in the Main Sticky thread will more likely then not be closed.
Therefore, I would attempt to come up with another topic...ijs[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »...we just train barbs to eat fish and presto tideborn not a threat.
b:chuckle
Bleh...I hate fish >.< b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Nice attempt... but trying to ask for a rational intelligent debate on the pwi forums....? b:surrender0
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MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »b:puzzled what decides teh difficulty of debates??
....you?
=O
also what exactly are we debating about.
X_x'
how we debate about our opinions...
(>.<)'
now me confoosed... but me opinions of teh tideborn = they fish people...we just train barbs to eat fish and presto tideborn not a threat.
b:chuckle
Yes, i choose debate difficulty. The debate topic is in orange. Umm you explain what you believe in and why. (If you are joking then i will feel like such an idiot.....)
As for my opinions,
I think the Tideborn are very interesting and will add a lot of experience to the game. Lower level players will have a more diverse group to be around and higher levels will be forced to think more on how to defeat the new opponents. As time goes on, the Tideborn will add a lot to the gameplay. PK will certainly start needing some form of skill to be good. PVE will be interesting with the psychics and assasins abilities but they wont be as mainstream as they were when they first came out.
EDIT;
@RedsRose- this isnt all about Tideborn. Tideborn just happens to be the first topics.
@DarkSeph- You be amazed at the people who know how to argue their points and do it really good.Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Methinks we are going to have many, many high-leveled Tideborn that have no clue how to play their class. The only way they will get experience is to work with the older characters, and the older characters will want to wait until they have more experience. This will lead to a lot of solo Tideborn, which will lead to them not being used as much in instances and not knowing how to function in a squad. PvP will be more interesting, though.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
EDIT;
@RedsRose- this isnt all about Tideborn. Tideborn just happens to be the first topics.
I laughed...not gonna lie. b:chuckle
Why pick Tideborn though?
Be more creative.....[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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KrittyCat - Dreamweaver wrote: »Methinks we are going to have many, many high-leveled Tideborn that have no clue how to play their class. The only way they will get experience is to work with the older characters, and the older characters will want to wait until they have more experience. This will lead to a lot of solo Tideborn, which will lead to them not being used as much in instances and not knowing how to function in a squad. PvP will be more interesting, though.
Well, dont forget that some people will level the natural way. I'm not going to get into how they level so fast because thats an upcoming topic (hint hint)Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Fish Sticks vs. Chicken Strips
Discuss0 -
RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »I laughed...not gonna lie. b:chuckle
Why pick Tideborn though?
Be more creative.....
What i meant was that this whole thread isnt all about tideborn. There will be many more topics in this thread besides that. I chose tideborn because i wanted to start out with something somewhat easy and that everyone knows about. Tideborn topic is just me testing the water to see if i should get serious about it.
@Bowlinbob- plz dont derail the thread.Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
CURRENT TOPIC: With the information we currently have(assuming it is true), what is your opinion on the Tideborn? DIFFICULTY: 2 TOPIC CLOSES: November 14, 2009 @ 10:00 PM
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Personal opinion: Do NOT share water bottles with fish pple. The opening of the water will faintly smell like fish.
Resources: This is backed up by the fact that I have indeed personally shared water bottles with someone who ate fish. Either the water or the tip of the bottle had a fishy aroma to it....
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KrittyCat - Dreamweaver wrote: »Bleh...I hate fish >.< b:surrender
well that be why we have to train you......waaait a second...
a KrittyCat that hates fish???
IMPOSTER~!!! b:shocked
okie back on topic.
Now me be serious....ish. Here me opinion. well only part of it. (o.o)
Tideborn are most likely either going to be overpowered or underpowered. (relative to player level of course. we can just ignore all low level opinion/ inexperienced flamers here. experienced flamers be welcome.) (^.^)
Since that be natural in every mmorpg when they release new class archetypes. (o.o)
Likewise there be a near 100% chance of QQ about said classes due to the probably over/under powerment of them.
b:puzzled now wheres me sammich. b:sad
also um about thinking differently about killing said classes. (o.o)
that would depend on information we don't yet has yet.
it could be completely possible that assassins would just be melee archers.
and psychics could just be more of a spin off between wizards and clerics.Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »Information we have: They are fish pple
Personal opinion: Do NOT share water bottles with fish pple. The opening of the water will faintly smell like fish.
Resources: This is backed up by the fact that I have indeed personally shared water bottles with someone who ate fish. Either the water or the tip of the bottle had a fishy aroma to it....
zmog me counter your argument and say it be okie to share water bottles with fish people! just make sure their orifices do not come in contact with said bottle. mayhaps gravity drip the water or something instead of mouth to bottle contact.
xDdarthpanda16: Firefox crashed on me. Aryannamage: I don't think I am a GM that would be new.
Hawk:Do this. closing thread
frankieraye: I'll see if we can replace the woman with a stick figure and the tiger fangs with marshmallows.//Issues like these need to get escalated quickly to minimize the damage.
Kantorek: Yeah.. you should try it. It's awesome.
Sihndra: Nope- not currently possible under any circumstances. Sorry.
LokisDottir: I mean...not haunting the forums, nope nope..
Konariraiden: You don't know what you are up against. You will lose.
Waiting for...Hamster Packs!
58% chance to get tokens
41% chance to get an all class pet hamster....but they has already been freed by the magic hamster.
1% chance to get ban hamstered with the message "Hamsters United!"
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Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »What i meant was that this whole thread isnt all about tideborn. There will be many more topics in this thread besides that. I chose tideborn because i wanted to start out with something somewhat easy and that everyone knows about. Tideborn topic is just me testing the water to see if i should get serious about it.
@Bowlinbob- plz dont derail the thread.
im just saying this thread seems pointless. The tideborn hasnt been release yet, what is there to debate about? To debate you needs facts, which we have little of. The only thing anyone would debate are speculations, so what's the point?0 -
If the sins can indeed go invisible and be unseen by other players, a whole new way to be bad at pvp opens itself to PWI.
1: Hide in safe zone
2: Turn invisible
3: Run out of safe zone, kill someone in 1 hit
4: Run back into safe zone so no one can ever hit you.
Coward much?Main characters
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Bowlinbob has a point.
(o.o)
me vote for new debate topic...
mayhaps why sunflower seeds are so much more delicious then pellets.
b:puzzled
o and why the rabid gerbils are on the move?darthpanda16: Firefox crashed on me. Aryannamage: I don't think I am a GM that would be new.
Hawk:Do this. closing thread
frankieraye: I'll see if we can replace the woman with a stick figure and the tiger fangs with marshmallows.//Issues like these need to get escalated quickly to minimize the damage.
Kantorek: Yeah.. you should try it. It's awesome.
Sihndra: Nope- not currently possible under any circumstances. Sorry.
LokisDottir: I mean...not haunting the forums, nope nope..
Konariraiden: You don't know what you are up against. You will lose.
Waiting for...Hamster Packs!
58% chance to get tokens
41% chance to get an all class pet hamster....but they has already been freed by the magic hamster.
1% chance to get ban hamstered with the message "Hamsters United!"
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »What i meant was that this whole thread isnt all about tideborn. There will be many more topics in this thread besides that. I chose tideborn because i wanted to start out with something somewhat easy and that everyone knows about. Tideborn topic is just me testing the water to see if i should get serious about it.
@Bowlinbob- plz dont derail the thread.
People...serious....on these forums? b:shocked
I am not trying to knock down the idea, I was just saying that you could have chosen a better starter topic....imo
PS --> Bob's goal is to derail threads....have fun with that one b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Where is my 1 v 1 Kan? b:mischievous0 -
Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »Information we have: They are fish pple
Personal opinion: Do NOT share water bottles with fish pple. The opening of the water will faintly smell like fish.
Resources: This is backed up by the fact that I have indeed personally shared water bottles with someone who ate fish. Either the water or the tip of the bottle had a fishy aroma to it....
I lol'd. Maybe the tideborn have their own water bottles? b:chuckle Maybe you should read Korrens thread for the rumors also. Its a great place to get the "feel" of how the tideborn will be like (even though it may not be 100% accurate).
@Bowlinbob- i said assume the information we have is true, what would your opinion be on the Tideborn. Even though the information may not be true, just make an opinion off what you seen.
EDIT: I will change the topic.Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Let's all Debate the Debate Post.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »People...serious....on these forums? b:shocked
I am not trying to knock down the idea, I was just saying that you could have chosen a better starter topic....imo
PS --> Bob's goal is to derail threads....have fun with that one b:surrender
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NEW TOPIC!!
Why does Mr. Wei (the winemaker) require charcoal, wood, and other metals to make wine...I don't know about you, but metal, wood, and coal does not an alcoholic drink make...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »People...serious....on these forums? b:shocked
b:shocked
yes mayhaps that not a good idea.
(>.<)'
if me go serious then something like this happens.....
(>.<)Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »
Why does Mr. Wei (the winemaker) require charcoal, wood, and other metals to make wine...I don't know about you, but metal, wood, and coal does not an alcoholic drink make...
okie so um me suppose mayhaps he provides grapes for free and needs the charcoal to distill teh alchohol. metal to repair his distillation machine. wood in order to burn to maintain the required temperature needed for growth?
hmm why does it sound like meesta wei is making backyard vodka? xDdarthpanda16: Firefox crashed on me. Aryannamage: I don't think I am a GM that would be new.
Hawk:Do this. closing thread
frankieraye: I'll see if we can replace the woman with a stick figure and the tiger fangs with marshmallows.//Issues like these need to get escalated quickly to minimize the damage.
Kantorek: Yeah.. you should try it. It's awesome.
Sihndra: Nope- not currently possible under any circumstances. Sorry.
LokisDottir: I mean...not haunting the forums, nope nope..
Konariraiden: You don't know what you are up against. You will lose.
Waiting for...Hamster Packs!
58% chance to get tokens
41% chance to get an all class pet hamster....but they has already been freed by the magic hamster.
1% chance to get ban hamstered with the message "Hamsters United!"
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »NEW TOPIC!!
Why does Mr. Wei (the winemaker) require charcoal, wood, and other metals to make wine...I don't know about you, but metal, wood, and coal does not an alcoholic drink make...
Metal for the stir stick
Wood for the barrels
Coal to heat up his dinner
He's ripping up off b:angry[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
RoidAbuse is awesome, only he would sell his sperm for gear!!
"Toughest monster? ..... RedsRose b:surrender" - Kantorek
Where is my 1 v 1 Kan? b:mischievous0 -
ok ill debate, based on recent changes/current structure of the game. I believe Tideborn expansion is going to be a complete disaster /failure. Filled with bugs/description errors, and will totally unbalance the game more-so than it already is.0
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KrittyCat - Dreamweaver wrote: »Methinks we are going to have many, many high-leveled Tideborn that have no clue how to play their class. The only way they will get experience is to work with the older characters, and the older characters will want to wait until they have more experience. This will lead to a lot of solo Tideborn, which will lead to them not being used as much in instances and not knowing how to function in a squad. PvP will be more interesting, though.
Not sure whether I'm agreeing or disagreeing or adding. >>
Really, Tideborn are gonna fail for a while, even the ones that level naturally, as Mizuoni said. Not many people are going to take a tideborn in a squad, like you said, over a character that they know how to deal with. But not only that-- we're going to have a bunch of debate/possible flame threads about what's better for a tideborn, because there's no set 'right or wrong' for them yet. (meaning more fail ones, and more NEW fail ones in game for a while).
And I doubt PvP will be terribly interesting, at first. Even with tideborn that get to your level, I would think a good 75% of them won't know how to play to their full potential. Meaning that while people are still figuring out about tideborn, other classes are figuring out how to beat them... and everything balances out. (Note: I don't play on a PvP server, so I wouldn't know...)
I could be wrong, though. Probably am. (@Mizuoni-- am I allowed to insult myself? xD)
Also-- if you have nothing better to do than mess up this thread, leave. It's a decent idea. Go troll some other thread. There's a ton out there.0 -
MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
okie back on topic.
Now me be serious....ish. Here me opinion. well only part of it. (o.o)
Tideborn are most likely either going to be overpowered or underpowered. (relative to player level of course. we can just ignore all low level opinion/ inexperienced flamers here. experienced flamers be welcome.) (^.^)
Since that be natural in every mmorpg when they release new class archetypes. (o.o)
Likewise there be a near 100% chance of QQ about said classes due to the probably over/under powerment of them.
b:puzzled now wheres me sammich. b:sad[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]lagunal8.deviantart.com
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Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »ok ill debate, based on recent changes/current structure of the game. I believe Tideborn expansion is going to be a complete disaster /failure. Filled with bugs/description errors, and will totally unbalance the game more-so than it already is.
*sigh* I can say that I saw that response coming b:chuckle
Cannot say I did not warn....[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »Fish Sticks vs. Chicken Strips
Discuss
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RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »*sigh* I can say that I saw that response coming b:chuckle
Cannot say I did not warn....
a lot of people know my stance with this upcomming patch <_< I cant wait to see if im right.0
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