Pwi Debate Thread!

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  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I can see your point, BUT it depends on what you do. For example, when I RB i was also doing TT runs, farming past mats, PKing, doing BH runs, helping out with FBs, World Bosses and quests when I didnt have squad for RB. Someone who does what i do would definetely become more experienced because they are opening themselves up for many different things, BUT if they just sit in RB for 12 hours straight, they will probably end up just like oracle users.....
    yes these are the pple they actually boast about it.
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  • Kittennice - Heavens Tear
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I'm not going far at all lol. Just spicing up the topic.
    BTW, I suggest the next topic should be about Factions. Can you live with them? Can you live without them?
    or
    Are following Class guides the best way to _______? -fill in the blank.
    or
    Is pvping for the truly skilled? Or just someone's lucky day?
    Or
    Is there a such thing as mat stealing? In other words... Is taking a mat that someone is fighting monsters for wrong?
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  • Asperitas - Lost City
    Asperitas - Lost City Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    If oracling is within bounds of PWI laws, I don't see how oracling can be deemed wrong.

    The ultimate goal of a game is to provide entertainment for its user. If one person sees levelling fast and reaching endgame promptly without the large time investment as enjoyable, who are we to tell them they are wrong? Can you really say to someone "NO! This is wrong because you're not learning anything! You have to grind for your experience so you are killing mobs and learning about how to aggro properly and cancelling AOEs!" Is that right? Defining someone's game for them?
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  • hemoglobin
    hemoglobin Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    keep in mind people that oracle lvling is still better than plvling. at least they are paying ALOT and working alittle bit to get their exp rather than being dragged around in a dungeon all day lol
  • DeathBanana - Heavens Tear
    DeathBanana - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,674 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Are following Class guides the best way to win at life? Yes.

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  • IDaun - Dreamweaver
    IDaun - Dreamweaver Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited November 2009
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    If oracling is within bounds of PWI laws, I don't see how oracling can be deemed wrong.

    The ultimate goal of a game is to provide entertainment for its user. If one person sees levelling fast and reaching endgame promptly without the large time investment as enjoyable, who are we to tell them they are wrong? Can you really say to someone "NO! This is wrong because you're not learning anything! You have to grind for your experience so you are killing mobs and learning about how to aggro properly and cancelling AOEs!" Is that right? Defining someone's game for them?
    its not WRONG......

    it may cause jealousy for others cause their fast. But the bigger problem is they grow up not learning how to play their class right and frankly, to a squad, its a nuisance and trouble. Pple do not like to wipe **** and work overtime for someone who was lazy to oracle the essential lvls.
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  • Hari - Heavens Tear
    Hari - Heavens Tear Posts: 133 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I think oracling is right if you've already got a high level char.

    For example, I know a lvl 101 cleric who pretty much has endgame gear and is gonna make a lvl 90 psychic within 2 weeks of their release using oracles. I don't think that's wrong, because psychics and clerics are probably gonna play similarly and he's already "beat the game".

    On the other hand, if some newby just charges 2k gold and buys anni packs and oracles to 90 a new char without having ever played before, then they won't know how to play their class and will be pretty fail. That, I would consider wrong.
    HT clerics at their finest:

    hari: can you do mdef debuffs? makes the fight go faster
    naughty_x: waste, I do more damage without them
    hari: ...you do more damage in 2 seconds than reducing mdef by 35% for 4 casters does in 20 seconds?
    naughty_x: is waste, i do more damage

    hari: 3-3 BH goes a lot faster with a sin
    naughty_x: no, only a difference of like 3 minutes
    hari: ...we've been in here a lot longer than 3 minutes already
    naughty_x: your opinion
  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I think oracling is right if you've already got a high level char.

    For example, I know a lvl 101 cleric who pretty much has endgame gear and is gonna make a lvl 90 psychic within 2 weeks of their release using oracles. I don't think that's wrong, because psychics and clerics are probably gonna play similarly and he's already "beat the game".

    On the other hand, if some newby just charges 2k gold and buys anni packs and oracles to 90 a new char without having ever played before, then they won't know how to play their class and will be pretty fail. That, I would consider wrong.

    i would agree to this, except that these are new classes.. The 101 cleric wont have any knowledge of how to handle the class at all in will be the noobiest 9x psychic on the server. But I do agree its ok for her to speed level any current class, since she has seen them in dungeons/pvp/ etc... So she would have a decent ammount of knowledge how to play them.

    oracling the 2 new classes is beyond idiotic imo.
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I think oracling is right if you've already got a high level char.

    For example, I know a lvl 101 cleric who pretty much has endgame gear and is gonna make a lvl 90 psychic within 2 weeks of their release using oracles. I don't think that's wrong, because psychics and clerics are probably gonna play similarly and he's already "beat the game".

    On the other hand, if some newby just charges 2k gold and buys anni packs and oracles to 90 a new char without having ever played before, then they won't know how to play their class and will be pretty fail. That, I would consider wrong.
    if i had to choose a right or wrong then id choose wrong for both. The only thing diff. is that the 101lv person knows the game as a whole already. But any experience concerning the class WITH the game, this 101 playing a oracled90 new class is as noob as the nakkid pple in nub town.

    personally i expect a whole bunch of noob classes when the expansion comes out. Most lvling by oracles and calling themselves pro by just using 5 skills and using the same set up as another class because 'they look and act the same but im lving fast so dont have time to study it further'. Maybe 2-3months into the expansion we will see some diff. combo of stats or the new classes and diff. type of play style from the pple who took their time to learn and level. Those will probably be the 'real' builds and playstyles.
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    if i had to choose a right or wrong then id choose wrong for both. The only thing diff. is that the 101lv person knows the game as a whole already. But any experience concerning the class WITH the game, this 101 playing a oracled90 new class is as noob as the nakkid pple in nub town.

    personally i expect a whole bunch of noob classes when the expansion comes out. Most lvling by oracles and calling themselves pro by just using 5 skills and using the same set up as another class because 'they look and act the same but im lving fast so dont have time to study it further'. Maybe 2-3months into the expansion we will see some diff. combo of stats or the new classes and diff. type of play style from the pple who took their time to learn and level. Those will probably be the 'real' builds and playstyles.

    thats pretty much what i said putz x_X
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    thats pretty much what i said putz x_X
    u was typing when i wuz typing >:O
    *throws a rock* b:cry
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    i do believe there are gaps in the levels where whether you oracle up or not don't matter as much. these are the levels where you do not gain new skills.

    for example, from 70-79 there is no real experience to be had, at least as far as PvE is concerned. You've had your 59 skills and had 2 sparks for 10 levels, surely you can breeze through these 9 levels since you don't get any new skills. 79 and up depends on class...some classes really need to integrate their 79 skills especially in PvP, for some classes it doesn't matter as much.
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    u was typing when i wuz typing >:O
    *throws a rock* b:cry

    >:| *catches and cuddles rock*
  • Hari - Heavens Tear
    Hari - Heavens Tear Posts: 133 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    From what I've seen of psychics they're gonna play like a cross between a veno and a cleric... and when you've got a lot of experience with the game - I think the cleric has a 8x-9x alt of basically every class - adapting to new skills isn't that hard.

    Basically, my stance is if someone is experienced with the game, and is a great player, there's nothing wrong with them oracling a new class to 90 or whatever.

    If they don't know how to play, they're gonna be fail on a new class.
    HT clerics at their finest:

    hari: can you do mdef debuffs? makes the fight go faster
    naughty_x: waste, I do more damage without them
    hari: ...you do more damage in 2 seconds than reducing mdef by 35% for 4 casters does in 20 seconds?
    naughty_x: is waste, i do more damage

    hari: 3-3 BH goes a lot faster with a sin
    naughty_x: no, only a difference of like 3 minutes
    hari: ...we've been in here a lot longer than 3 minutes already
    naughty_x: your opinion
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    From what I've seen of psychics they're gonna play like a cross between a veno and a cleric... and when you've got a lot of experience with the game - I think the cleric has a 8x-9x alt of basically every class - adapting to new skills isn't that hard.

    Basically, my stance is if someone is experienced with the game, and is a great player, there's nothing wrong with them oracling a new class to 90 or whatever.

    If they don't know how to play, they're gonna be fail on a new class.
    Thats like saying a cleric can oracle a veno to 90 and adapting is pretty easy. And visversa. I would think that venos and clerics that lvled up the real way would disagree alot.
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Thats like saying a cleric can oracle a veno to 90 and adapting is pretty easy. And visversa. I would think that venos and clerics that lvled up the real way would disagree alot.

    depends on your play-style...the way many play veno (never going fox, yes they do bloody exist) is pretty easy.

    i've picked up managing my pet and i in combat rather quickly on my veno, and have juggled up to 5 mobs my level at the same time between my rock and me in foxform. that said, pulling is not very difficult either. i'd say a veno may take time to master, but can get by with very little skill. i would actually condone oracling up a veno with herc in order to serve as a tank/TT runner.
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  • Sharea - Dreamweaver
    Sharea - Dreamweaver Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    There is alot of hype about the coming expansion. Some people are very unhappy. Alot of QQing and the new classes haven't come out yet. There will be three kinds of players trying the new race.

    1) Those that just want to try the new race and have no intention of playing it for long. They will play a few days then get bored and go back to their main char.
    2) Those who lvl the new char with oracles and dont learn how to play as they go along. They will get up in lvl fast and then get pwned when they try to PvP. They'll QQ about the class being weak and stop playing it and go back to there other char.
    3) Then there's the last group who will take there time to lvl. They will enjoy exploring the new Tideborn area. The will make guilds and be the backbone of the TB community. They wont care if they dont lvl fast but when they get to higher lvl's they will pwn because they know how to play there char. They will live TB. They will be TB.

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