Return of Anniversary packs?

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Eyos - Lost City wrote: »

Welcome to PWI cash-insane international!!!We offer u everything "rare"if u got the $$$$ for it!!"NOble"ranks from tokens,"rewards for brave challengers"-only 100euroo!!!,all "rare"items on space costs!!Prepare ur gold credit cards,sell ur houses and be proud holder of this treasures!Get ur gold today -save our ruinin company!!b:victory

I wish I had gotten stock on their "ruinin company"..... I would be laughing all the way to the bank.

According to the financial reports (PWE is a public traded company, so they are available to the public), they are doing really well.

If you are going to make statements about the financial health of a company, at least look it up first.....

@darksniper - mmmm I am not sure my FL holds those many people.... or maybe I am thinking about my blocked list....

Eyos - Lost City

Have u heard about smg called"irony"?b:surrender

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Eyos - Lost City wrote: »

Have u heard about smg called"irony"?b:surrender

It is not my fault if you were not skilled enough to actualy make an ironic post.

Eyos - Lost City

Or u dont have the skill to understand it?

KrittyCat - Dreamweaver

Eyos - Lost City wrote: »

Or u dont have the skill to understand it?

At least she has the skill to post on her main >.>

Eyos - Lost City

At least we have freedom to post on whatevah char we want b:victory ( da mn this is gettin more interestin than playin pw)b:chuckle

Hayyel - Lost City

b:sad poor devs ran out of money for paint... cant finish tideborn b:sad quick! lets donate b:surrender

KrittyCat - Dreamweaver

Eyos - Lost City wrote: »

At least we have freedom to post on whatevah char we want b:victory ( da mn this is gettin more interestin than playin pw)b:chuckle

Sometimes I wonder why people would want to post on an alt...then I think about the fact that they are cowards who aren't willing to back up their own views. Otherwise, they would gladly post on their normal, main character. So be a coward! Have fun with that! ^^

Eyos - Lost City

Ive always wondered why some ppls enjoy making drama so mutch ,so Im more enjoying with ur highly serious statements than rollin on floor ,frustrated with my own cowardness b:victory

TheHunter_ - Sanctuary

Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »

"Free to play, pay to win"

Mass exodus to MY-EN, anyone?

yeah exactly...ofc this game is free to play...but no way u can win w/o paying!!! >.< im really concidering of quitting and going to pw ms-en!

this really sux!!!

and question for u GM's:

WHAT THE **** ARE YOU THINKING!!??? ARE YOU ****ING STUPID!!???? FOR WHAT IS THIS EVENT?? FOR U GETTING MORE MONEY? C'MON ANSWER US OR ARE YOU TOO SHAMED? GIVE US SOME ANSWERS GET OUT OF YOUR DARK GLASS MERCEDES AND GIVE US SOME DAMN ANSWERS YOU STUPID COW!!!

AinaMizuako - Sanctuary

Are you ****ing ****ting me?

I come back after 2+ weeks absence, and AGAIN I come back to these ****ing packs.

Yeah, bb PWI. Going back to that game now. b:bye Enjoy your endless greed.

Kya_Breeze - Lost City

Surprise!

Once again "back by popular demand" by the rich nubs playing pw, as stated before F2P, pay2win that all its come down too. I cant wait to see what the gm,s and mods are going to say about these packs for another month......."aw we thought these were popular so we decided to release them once again"...........yeah keep ignoring the major part of this community in the end, people will leave to other games, where they actually stand a chance of winning against their own lvls.

Also money >skill, if u CS u can get urself to 100 quite easily, for example Princeclare O: ,People dont even get a proper chance to gain experience with their classes because they can get uber gear without having to grind and grind in TT. Nice job at ignoring everyone dumbasses, this is why i quit this stupid game and i dont have any regrets about coming back. UR GREED has been revealed to everyone now, let the community decide

Tazi - Heavens Tear

Okay, so who has already bought one and what is in it this time?

Tazi - Heavens Tear

It would be more beneficial to make the perfect hammer CHEAPER in gold please. Thanks

Dice_two - Sanctuary

Here's some opinions I wrote in that former thread about anniversary boxes...

Here's what a mod wrote early September...

eatwithspoons wrote: »

I honestly think that anyone who has not tried one of the boxes shouldn't be able to immediately scream "OMG broken!" over and over, because they are causing panic where there is simply no need.

I find it funny that in a supposedly Free to play game a mod asks every of the 88,000 thread viewers to buy something from boutique, worse, an event item, to be justified to talk about the patch. Economy affects all players, you try beating RB alpha or beta without HP/MP charms; or even worse, try getting enough coins to buy them from players at current prices when you're level 40...

Of course there is no need for panic. But when you start such an update you can NOT overlook that there's going to be a massive reaction here. Why not expect it, put up a mod MORE for exactly this occasion, or even conceive a reaction and suggestions form and have a temporary subforum implemented for it?

Nonetheless, a 130 pages thread won't get anyone far, obviously. Only the page count states there's something gone VERY MUCH out of order. The result? Quick action NEEDED since devs missed out on preparing anything to cope with the feedback, like releasing those boxes clearly show...

Is it that hard to put up a poll in that window upon game start? Anyway, some person asked spoon before

so what are you going to DO about it

eatwithspoons wrote: »

you;re asking me something that I do not control, I am the messenger

Question is are devs going to change anything even though with every duke shout there's about 20$-30$ going into PWE's wallet (again)? I beg to differ. It's just ridiculous how a company would risk the whole economy of the game, and by it, the game itself, for a jubilee event. We know from a precedent epic game by LucasArts how easy it is to mess things up. It got destroyed by trying to lower the targeted age range.

The whole inflation has one single gainer. And that is PWE. The risk: putting the game at stake for being unfair to people that can't or don't want to invest HUNDREDS of dollars or euros into a free to play game.

So the thing I would like you, spoon, or any mod for that matter, to forward to the GMs is the following thing. A birthday event is ok. An anniversary event taking one weekend is fair too. But an entire month of expectable inflation is sheer madness. And no going on with that...

Remind them that "birthday" consists of the words "birth" and "day"*, not "greed" for a "month" and more.
*day - the mean solar day of 24 hours beginning at midnight.

STOP the anniversary boxes, be fair to players that WORK their way up and are not 'BUYING themselves up':

Happy birthday PWI b:flower , will we still be terrorised by duke to celebrate PW's anniversary at Christmas/Eastern?

Reikara - Heavens Tear

Normally I just ignore or accept whatever events come and go.. but this is seriously nuts. I'm terribly poor and because of this stupid event I have to work so much harder just to get ahead.

I can't even afford a freaking gold charm or GAs. Those are nessecities for me to get the most out of PWI in pvp/pve. Gold has sky rocketed again and what happens after this recent anni event? Gold stays @ 400-500k?


For the love of fair play, get rid of them and the Duke D-:

Abominus - Sanctuary

Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »

What's wrong with anniversary packs? Outside of a handful of items (legendary pets mainly) they make things cheaper. Yuanxiao is far cheaper than mana charms, platinum charms are available at less cost than the same hp in gold charms, tele's are around 1/20 the price of gold rather than 1/10, and so on.

Packs are great cash shopper or not.

It took nearly 20 replies before a voice of reason spoke. The packs are not "required" for any of you to buy, and I think you'd be hard pressed to prove that most people are upset by this. It reminds me of those "tea parties" you see popping up around the country "upset" about healthcare reform...a vocal minority barks real loud and pretends to be the majority. My personal thoughts are this...if you threaten to leave over this, then fine. Leave. If it wasn't this promotion you'd be threatening to leave over something else that "upset" you. Again, the people who I've observed being most against this are the people who like to hoard event items and then gouge the prices through the roof once the promotion is done with...PWI upset their plans of greed. If you really think this is worse for the game, then fine, I can appreciate, and even respect that. But if you think this is worse for you specifically, for whatever reason, then perhaps you should game elsewhere. Developers, go forward.

Dice_two - Sanctuary

Abominus - Sanctuary wrote: »

If it wasn't this promotion you'd be threatening to leave over something else that "upset" you. Again, the people who I've observed being most against this are the people who like to hoard event items and then gouge the prices through the roof once the promotion is done with...PWI upset their plans of greed. If you really think this is worse for the game, then fine, I can appreciate, and even respect that. But if you think this is worse for you specifically, for whatever reason, then perhaps you should game elsewhere. Developers, go forward.

Exactly, because gold prices doubling or being 5 times what they were 1 and half months ago (while all the coin drops everywhere remain the same) is no reason to worry, right. I can't believe how naive some people are.

And how exactly is someone supposed to hoard tons of event items if he can't even afford his own skills and decent gear? Not saying about the few event items that might be a bit cheaper than before, but about useful stuff in the boutique getting unreachable as non-customer: HP charms (ever wondered why there's a lack of gamma barbs lately?), low level dragon orbs, cheap rides, cages, socket stones, simple inventory/bank enlargement stones. At level 20-40 I was able to save some coins, buy gold and get what I needed. There's no realistic chance to do that on a first character in here any more other than buying them cash.

Taranta - Dreamweaver

Ok folks. Calm down and think about this for a second. Now, I don't understand the logic behind bringing the anni packs back, nor am I particularly happy about them doing so, but this spewing of hate towards the devs and GM's makes no sense. They do not control the player economy, although the releasing of items can have an effect on it.

Economics 101:

Supply and demand- Start with a good. Once it begins to be seen on a mass market, demand will occur and begin to rise. Prices will rise in accordance to the demand. There will be a point where people will not pay for an item, so more will be released onto the market to satisfy the demand. Prices fall. Cycle begins all over again.

You shout and scream that the devs and mods have to fix this, but there's a demand. All the devs are doing is following the orders of the higher ups, who are listening to the shareholders. The mods have no relation to the economy either. They're there to keep players in line (hence, GAME MODERATOR), not to step in and smack down any actions that don't agree with the vocal minority.

Here's the simple thing: Perfect World Entertainment is a company looking to make a profit. They will do anything they can to assure that, up to and including re-releasing an anniversary event item. If you don't like the in game economy and the prices found there, get a bunch of players together and do 1 of 2 things

1) Flood the market with low cost items. Economy responds, as low costs are selling better. *ding* Prices fall for many items.
2) Institute a large playerbase ban on AH and catshops. Players not making coins. Prices begin to fall.

Consider other options than just screaming at the GM's and Dev's to fix things. Its player greed that's ruining the economy, not the introduction of items.



Now, to wait for everyone to start flaming me because I used logic.

Nakhimov - Lost City

I love being able to afford charms now!

Oh wait, I can't. Thanks guys.

And they REMOVED THE DUKE FILTER?

Once more, for posterity, look at that drop: http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3APWRD

Don't talk about "listening to the shardholders": the shareholders just bailed out as soon as NASDAQ opened this morning. That's almost a 90% drop in value there, and I don't see them recovering to anywhere near where they were before.

They played Russian roulette with anniversary packs, but with only one empty chamber. Looks like their luck ran out this time.

swgs

Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »

I love being able to afford charms now!

Oh wait, I can't. Thanks guys.

And they REMOVED THE DUKE FILTER?

Once more, for posterity, look at that drop: http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3APWRD

Don't talk about "listening to the shardholders": the shareholders just bailed out as soon as NASDAQ opened this morning. That's almost a 90% drop in value there, and I don't see them recovering to anywhere near where they were before.

They played Russian roulette with anniversary packs, but with only one empty chamber. Looks like their luck ran out this time.

Want to kill myself for did not pay attention to PWE stock. going to short this baby.

Kephras - Heavens Tear

I'm glad you posted that, Nakhimov.

Might possibly be the only thing PWI leadership understands.

Not that I think they'll listen to their actual playerbase any more than they have been...

Dice_two - Sanctuary

Off topic, how to buy PWE stocks to make them stop idiocy like celebrating birthday for one and a half months?

About using logics on supply and demand... Taranta you said GMs don't control the player economy. I'd beg to differ. They're as totalitarian as a planed socialist market can be. Of course they can't control every transaction between players, but they have enough brains to expect changes. And by managing to inflate the entire economy to something random between 200-500% for 1 month already, I think they're perfectly able to control supply, since the demand is always there - as duke's shouts obviously state.

About your alternatives. No player created event will ever be able to boycott the game market sufficiently, that's a nice dream right there. Now, if GMs would try to reduce coin amount to stop the gold inflation, they'd "lose the game". Making repair costs/skills cost 5 times what they already are, in order to gold sink the economy would kill the game for sure. Knowing they're limited in gold sinks, how the @#$% could they be so idiotic as to willingly inflate the market (again)? And you can't say the 10mill coins tickets are helping with decreasing total coin amount in game - or at least keeping the rate at which it increases as low as possible.

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Taranta - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Ok folks. Calm down and think about this for a second. Now, I don't understand the logic behind bringing the anni packs back, nor am I particularly happy about them doing so, but this spewing of hate towards the devs and GM's makes no sense. They do not control the player economy, although the releasing of items can have an effect on it.

Economics 101:

Supply and demand- Start with a good. Once it begins to be seen on a mass market, demand will occur and begin to rise. Prices will rise in accordance to the demand. There will be a point where people will not pay for an item, so more will be released onto the market to satisfy the demand. Prices fall. Cycle begins all over again.

For economies with a fixed currency value, what you say is correct. But that's not what we have here. The event itself is changing the amount of coin in the game, and hence its value.

Prior to the latest Jolly Jones event, gold on HT was at about 130k. During the event it shot up to about 230k, slowly drifting up to almost 300k towards the end. After the event ended, the cost of gold should have dropped back to 130k, right?

Nope. It only went down to about 180k. Why? Because the Jolly Jones event injected more coin into the system. The oracles all had coin rewards, so they created coin out of nothing, increasing the amount of coin in the system (they were a coin source). And all those beautiful shards meant players could shard their armor and weapons without having to buy shabby shards from an NPC. When you buy stuff from an NPC, the coin is removed from the system. It ceases to exist. This is known as a coin sink. When PWI adds a method to bypass a major coin sink, the amount of coin in the system increases just as if they'd added a new coin source.

So you had more coin in the game, but the same number of players. That means on average each player had more coin than before. So they were more willing and able to buy gold, and consequently bid its price up. So the gold price went from 130k before the Jolly Jones event to 180k after.

Immediately afterwards came the anniversary event. Gold shot up from 180k to 300k, slowly drifting up to 400k by the end of the event. When the event ended, the price of gold didn't drop back down to ~200k like many were hoping (180k -> 200k). Instead it settled at around 300k. Why?

The event injected a massive amount of coin into the system. Most best luck tokens were converted into 5 million coin. Those coin were created out of thin air. In addition, you had the oracles and shards again, flawless this time. Each flawless shard that's created from tokens is ~915k of coin which isn't removed from the system. On average people ended the event with 50% more coin than before, and consequently the price of gold was 50% higher after the event than before.

In other words, gold costs more not because the supply of it has decreased, nor because the demand for it has increased. The price of gold is going up because the value of coin is going down. Our "government" (PWI) is minting hordes of coin in these events, just like the German government printed hordes of Marks after WWI.

A properly designed game economy is self-stabilizing. As long as you have adequate coin sources and coin sinks, the amount of coin in the game remains relatively stable. Market-controlled prices will thus reach an equilibrium and fluctuate relatively slowly due to shifts in player supply and demand as you point out. But large-scale price shifts like what's happened from these events are the result of upsetting the balance of coin sources and sinks. They are entirely the doing of PWI, not the playerbase.

Dice_two - Sanctuary

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Nope. It only went down to about 180k. Why? Because the Jolly Jones event injected more coin into the system. The oracles all had coin rewards, so they created coin out of nothing, increasing the amount of coin in the system (they were a coin source). And all those beautiful shards meant players could shard their armor and weapons without having to buy shabby shards from an NPC. When you buy stuff from an NPC, the coin is removed from the system. It ceases to exist. This is known as a coin sink. When PWI adds a method to bypass a major coin sink, the amount of coin in the system increases just as if they'd added a new coin source.

thumbs up. Just by scrolling up my current chat log I've counted 27 best luck tickets. That's 135 million coins right there out of thin inflated air. Not regarding the thousands of tokens that will turn out in shards and stuff.

Nelae - Heavens Tear

CASH SHOP RULES........*kicks his *****.....NOT

aryannamage

Please keep any discussion about this to Xarfox thread here.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=470572