Which class is the most gimped

_howler_ - Lost City
_howler_ - Lost City Posts: 69 Arc User
edited October 2009 in General Discussion
I keep seeing people saying their classes are gimped( mostly Archers ,Bms, and wizards). So out of these classes , which one do you think is the most "gimped"
, when are they gimped, and why do you think there are gimped?

Idk why someone would complain and say their class is gimped but still play it.(except wizards maybe)
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  • XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary
    XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary Posts: 683 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    i'm going to go with... Assassins.


    but i'm going to stick with.. there are no gimps.
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Gimped? If by ''gimped'' you mean that the class has a low survivability then I'd say it's a tie between archers and wizards. If you mean underpowered, none of them. Each class has it's own set of advantages and disadvantages.
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  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    You are missing venos,barbarians and clerics on your poll. therefore it is not a valid one since it is biased/.

    Unless you are telling us which one is the most gimped and do not want the input of the community.

    Even if venos, barbarian or the cleric were to get zero votes, it still needs to be added to the list of choices.
    (having zero votes has a different statist meaning than not even being an option).
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  • _howler_ - Lost City
    _howler_ - Lost City Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    well personally i dont think any of the classes are gimped ,but i hear people complain about their classes so im wanting what they think is wrong with thier class


    also IceJazmin

    I took the 3 classes that most people complain about which is why I said out of these classes, and i have yet to see someone complain about being a veno( accept for like 1 or 2 ppl)
  • david12345
    david12345 Posts: 161 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Why is veno not on the poll?

    Its the most gimped class endgame by far.
  • LordChronis - Dreamweaver
    LordChronis - Dreamweaver Posts: 105 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You are missing venos on your poll. therefore it is not a valid one since it is biased/.
    , barbarian and Clerics
    Unless you are telling us which one is the most gimped and do not want the input of the community.

    Even if venos, barbarian or the cleric were to get zero votes, it still needs to be added to the list of choices.
    (having zero votes has a different statist meaning than not even being an option).



    Who cares? its a poll of what classes he's seen the most whining from b:shutup

    Venos dont need to be there cause there the most over powered class in the game no if ands or buts. Tell me another class able to do all the sht a veno can do solo, solo...Barbs Bms Clerics Wizards and archers cant, whining about venos not being on here is a fail >.>.

    Barbs they have one of the highest survivability ratings in the game end of story they dont need to be here.

    Clerics are the life force of the game not very underpowered at all did you forget plume shell +super buffs? i think maybe you did this time b:surrender

    Bm's depending on the path you choose cant find a party, only axe bms get to do sht so shhh.

    Wizards have nooooo survivability even with there huge damage output *spells casting* wizard gets stuned and dies ~

    Archers Dodge only seems to really help in pvp in pve if a mob gets to them before winged shell goes up say by by birdy.

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  • Divine_Death - Dreamweaver
    Divine_Death - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,491 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Venos with Nix.
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  • natedog97
    natedog97 Posts: 151 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Archers have the least surviviablity.

    Wizards have great def agains magical attacks and earth barrier buffs their physical attacks

    BMs have great Pdef and skills to raise it higher (at cost of mdef) and buff. They can also raise Mdef (as a cost of pdef)

    Archers have no buffs to raise defenses and typically have low defences against both pdef and mdef.
  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    _howler_ - Lost City wrote: »
    also IceJazmin

    I took the 3 classes that most people complain about which is why I said out of these classes, and i have yet to see someone complain about being a veno( accept for like 1 or 2 ppl)

    So you are saying that you rather have a biased poll based on YOUR expectations and believes?

    Meaningful polls need to have all the options available for people to choose from. And on your OP, and thread you are asking a blanked questions on WHICH CLASS is most gimped, you did you was between the 3 listed which one is the most gimped.

    If you look at your results so far, if venos would have 2 votes (based on your statement),that would put them right behind the BMs, which have 3 votes.

    But whatever, was just poiting out that the title for the thread does not match the option on the poll, and that the options provided make it biased based on the title.

    I chose BMs, since if they learn all their skills, they will not be able to use them all (as Clolla said)
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  • Accelerated - Sanctuary
    Accelerated - Sanctuary Posts: 1,048 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    _howler_ - Lost City wrote: »
    also IceJazmin

    I took the 3 classes that most people complain about which is why I said out of these classes, and i have yet to see someone complain about being a veno( accept for like 1 or 2 ppl)

    I've never seen any reasonably normal person complain about being a blademaster, barbarian, or cleric being gimped. They only complain about their armor(what class doesn't?) or charms.. Venomancers should be on the list...
    LordChronis - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Who cares? its a poll of what classes he's seen the most whining from b:shutup

    Venos dont need to be there cause there the most over powered class in the game no if ands or buts. Tell me another class able to do all the sht a veno can do solo, solo...Barbs Bms Clerics Wizards and archers cant, whining about venos not being on here is a fail >.>.

    Barbs they have one of the highest survivability ratings in the game end of story they dont need to be here.

    Clerics are the life force of the game not very underpowered at all did you forget plume shell +super buffs? i think maybe you did this time b:surrender

    Bm's depending on the path you choose cant find a party, only axe bms get to do sht so shhh.

    Wizards have nooooo survivability even with there huge damage output *spells casting* wizard gets stuned and dies ~

    Archers Dodge only seems to really help in pvp in pve if a mob gets to them before winged shell goes up say by by birdy.

    Now would you like any cheese with your wine? b:bye

    You, sir, do not realize how friggin' gimped venos are out of all the classes, end-game(with the exception of archers, but in all fairness, they start out as being one of the most OP class early in-game). Venos CANNOT solo everything in-game during end-game. Most end-game bosses have MP Drains, Curse, Armor Break, etc debuffs that ends up 1 shotting about any pets in the game. Or they can one shot them out of just brute attack. And end-game PvP? Venos already have gimped out magic attacks that does nearly half of what wizards and clerics can do. And don't QQ about Pet Bleed bug here... They're worth **** to any real "end-game" player with super refine armors. Hell, with the venomancers' already gimped magic damage, they can just kill the bird and kill the veno before they get a chance to revive it.

    You, sir, fail for not knowing the negatives of all classes and just calling something fail because you didn't do your research henceforth.

    I think archers are the most gimped, and venomancers come close to second.
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  • _howler_ - Lost City
    _howler_ - Lost City Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So you are saying that you rather have a biased poll based on YOUR expectations and believes?

    Meaningful polls need to have all the options available for people to choose from. And on your OP, and thread you are asking a blanked questions on WHICH CLASS is most gimped, you did you was between the 3 listed which one is the most gimped.

    If you look at your results so far, if venos would have 2 votes (based on your statement),that would put them right behind the BMs, which have 3 votes.

    But whatever, was just poiting out that the title for the thread does not match the option on the poll, and that the options provided make it biased based on the title.

    I chose BMs, since if they learn all their skills, they will not be able to use them all (as Clolla said)

    plz get off it , its just a thread i made out of bordem dam >_>
    guess the FORAMz is sryz bznessb:shocked
  • david12345
    david12345 Posts: 161 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Venos can solo.

    And thats it. Woopti-effing-do.

    They get **** in PvP endgame.

    I love these threads because it brings out all the butthurt nix whinners who show how incompetent they are at the game.
  • Poison - Heavens Tear
    Poison - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,444 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    The most gimped class is one being played by someone who doesn't really know what they are doing. In other words... most of them.
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  • Silver - Dreamweaver
    Silver - Dreamweaver Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    .... WHoever said BM are getting "gimped" are seriously ****....not even kidding you..... And u think the RANGED CLASSES GET GIMPED....God people dont know what pk is now adays....
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  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Silver - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    .... WHoever said BM are getting "gimped" are seriously ****....not even kidding you..... And u think the RANGED CLASSES GET GIMPED....God people dont know what pk is now adays....

    Silver, the reason we are saying BM is because the skill screen can only hold 40 skills, however BMs can get 47 skills. That means that they have no way to be able to use all their skills, since some of them will not even display so you cannot select them.

    In no way their being gimped means that they are weak, it is just that all other classes can use all their skills while BMs have no way to do that at the moment.
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  • natedog97
    natedog97 Posts: 151 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I get a good laugh whenever I see people saying how OP venos are.

    In all honesty when it comes to PvP they need just as much if not more skill than other users to pk endgame.

    What Accelerated said is very true it all depends on when the "gimpyness" is measured. By order of gimpyness (highest to lowest) (Analyzed based on most common builds, LA archer, Pure Wiz, Vit Cleric, Axe BM, Caster Veno... Is there any other builds that are not **** for a barb? lol)

    Levels 1-19
    Wizard (no knockback, almost no pdef)
    Archer (no knockback)
    Cleric (no knockback, almost no pdef... has heals)
    BM (low mdef)
    Barb (low mdef... high hp)
    Veno (almost no pdef... Pet to tank)

    Levels 19-60
    Wizard (low pdef)
    Cleric (low pdef... has heals)
    BM (low mdef)
    Barb (low mdef... high hp)
    Archer (low hp, high fast dmg... knockback)
    Veno (low pdef... Pet tanks)

    60-89
    BM (low mdef... lots of stuns/aoes)
    Barb (low mdef... high hp, gets party easy)
    Cleric (low pdef... has heals, gets party easy)
    Wizard (pdef still lacking... dmg growing fast)
    Archer (low hp, high fast dmg... knockback)
    Veno (low pdef... Pet tanks)



    Levels 89+
    Archer (low hp, pdef and mdef of LA is no longer enough, cannot kill players before they reach you because of high refined gears)
    Veno (low pdef nix loses effect in pvp with higher refined players... Pet tanks, but cant handle tanking most higher bosses now)
    BM (low mdef... lots of stuns/aoes)
    Barb (low mdef, low dmg output... rediculously high hp, gets party easy)
    Cleric (low pdef... has heals, gets party easy, dmg compareable to wizard)
    Wizard (extreemly high dmg, earth barrier is now 120% of base pdef (150% if demon skill))


    Flame about the order I have them in all you want but that is the way I see it.
  • Silver - Dreamweaver
    Silver - Dreamweaver Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    hm... true but there are also 6 skills rarely ever used in pk...to me at least. Short Burst, Stream Strike, Tiger Maw, fist and sword 29 (cant remember name), Fist ultimate attack.... and i wouldnt use some others but cant remember name, but thanks for clearing that up because if they said BMs are not needed, thats the most **** thing i ever heard XD

    and nateDog past lvl 89, Bms with high refined gear and all have great mag defs, if they use sutra right, which most bms at that lvl know how 2 and even with heaven-hell sutras, it gets better XD
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  • natedog97
    natedog97 Posts: 151 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I agree Silver... But

    realize that Bms are still sought after for partys (never understood why) and dont have near the hp of a barb, the dmg of a wizard, or the dmg and healing of a cleric so that is why they are more "gimped" endgame than barb, wiz and cleric... imo
  • Norgannon - Lost City
    Norgannon - Lost City Posts: 234 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Silver, the reason we are saying BM is because the skill screen can only hold 40 skills, however BMs can get 47 skills. That means that they have no way to be able to use all their skills, since some of them will not even display so you cannot select them.

    In no way their being gimped means that they are weak, it is just that all other classes can use all their skills while BMs have no way to do that at the moment.

    Another row is added automatically after you hit the limit.
  • Silver - Dreamweaver
    Silver - Dreamweaver Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    O i understand what ur saying man but i think i know some reasons why Bms say.

    1. Buff, every tank, every cleric, every party member wants that buff
    2. Controling mobs- Though venos might not always make mistakes all the time, they sometimes do and its up to the BM 2 Go over and stun b4 everything gets outta control and if needed tank them with aoes.
    3. Dragon amp damage- Gotta love that skill, kills the boss so much faster :)
    4. Fist bm cancel spell- though not all people know this, when i was a fist-axe bm, people would love meh in squad because not only did i have spell cancel for when the tank didnt use pounce fast enough, but also for my dragon which was perfect for when someone sparked XD
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  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Norgannon - Lost City wrote: »
    Another row is added automatically after you hit the limit.

    I am glad they fixed that. Not that long ago a BM had posted a screenshot of his skills and was asking where his new skill was since he had spent a fortune on it.

    Thank you for clarifying that.
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  • Kasumi - Dreamweaver
    Kasumi - Dreamweaver Posts: 346 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I don't know why people voting wizard lol

    lvl 90+ wizards dominate
    Calamity
    Regenesis
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  • Silver - Dreamweaver
    Silver - Dreamweaver Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Im was thinking the same thing till i thought this, hey most people are wanna go with the "easier" classes. Wiz dominate 90+ but b4 then people consider them useless. They die 2 quick in PVP, still aggro and die in PVE and 2 top it off....whats the point of a wiz in a squad of lets say fb 69... *imagines dead room b/c wiz steals aggro* but hey i dont understand it cuz wizards beastly if u got the patience, but most people dont. I guess thats the American way, we want it here and now XD
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    every class can manage their aggro, so that part about wizards is like meh
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »
    Except archers get wings of protection, wings of grace, winged shell, blessing of the condor (along with the longets range of any class in the game and elven alacrity and a variety of skills which interfere with other people's movement).

    the only things worth mentioning are wings of grace and elven alacrity honestly.

    evasion is ****, especially since magic doesn't miss, everyone and their mother at this level can get CV rings and misty forests. archers who have condor speak of people hitting them even with the buff on, go figure

    winged shell probably pops in 1 hit at this level >.>
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  • drmarley
    drmarley Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    the only things worth mentioning are wings of grace and elven alacrity honestly.

    evasion is ****, especially since magic doesn't miss, everyone and their mother at this level can get CV rings and misty forests. archers who have condor speak of people hitting them even with the buff on, go figure

    winged shell probably pops in 1 hit at this level >.>
    No. There is a HUGE difference between saying everyone can get a Misty and everyone can get CV rings....

    Archers just depend heavily on refines end game.... If you can afford to trick out your gear (primarily your weapon) you won't have a problem in PvP.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    drmarley wrote: »
    No. There is a HUGE difference between saying everyone can get a Misty and everyone can get CV rings....

    Archers just depend heavily on refines end game.... If you can afford to trick out your gear (primarily your weapon) you won't have a problem in PvP.

    o my mistake CV or misty forest >.> either way evasion sucks
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  • Saveless - Harshlands
    Saveless - Harshlands Posts: 664 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    natedog97 wrote: »
    Levels 89+
    Archer (low hp, pdef and mdef of LA is no longer enough, cannot kill players before they reach you because of high refined gears)
    Veno (low pdef nix loses effect in pvp with higher refined players... Pet tanks, but cant handle tanking most higher bosses now)
    BM (low mdef... lots of stuns/aoes)
    Barb (low mdef, low dmg output... rediculously high hp, gets party easy)
    Cleric (low pdef... has heals, gets party easy, dmg compareable to wizard)
    Wizard (extreemly high dmg, earth barrier is now 120% of base pdef (150% if demon skill))

    Archers, basically you need to able to refine the hell out of your stuff.

    Low pdef on veno/cleric/wiz? Just depends. Like on PvP servers, most are smart and shard pdef if they go arcane...which evens it out.

    Barbs with low mdef? Usually refine let's say demon slaughter up quite a bit or past belt or the event belt that just came out idk. And stick with tauran cape and get the level 90 gold elemental necklace with +5% hp.

    And a Clerics damage is no where near comparable to a Wiz lol.
  • Silver - Dreamweaver
    Silver - Dreamweaver Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    every class can manage their aggro, so that part about wizards is like meh
    U would be suprised because even though a class can manage aggro, doesnt mean the tank has the best tanking ability to keep aggro, so even if u do everything right, u can end up dead with the rest of the group (happens 2 many times 2 count 2 me, sadly)
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  • StormHydra - Sanctuary
    StormHydra - Sanctuary Posts: 2,221 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Archer is the only class with no healing skill, and it also has no skill to raise defense.
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