Animal Form

Grippieluver - Lost City · October 2009

uhm ok now in lamen termz tell me what to do with the link

Khalfani - Harshlands · October 2009

Getting back on topic, I wanna sum up the main points of this thread, with a few comments of mine on some quotes here and there.

Garivald - Sanctuary wrote: »

omg Another one jeez. ok. yes it would be cool, but think. all our stuff is from pw china. the tiger is a symbol of something for Chinese. not just some play toy

Tell that to the dwindling population of tigers in China.

ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I also agree, true form should match humanoid form.

And the whole "The tiger means something" is a horrible reason to keep it the way it is. I'm pretty sure the devs aren't hardcore mythological follows when they throw in items like the warlord outfit and steampunk clothes. They should have thought about the forms matching when they added the other skins besides the original humanoid tiger.

The only reason they haven't done it is because they won't make any direct profit it, and that always puts it way down on the list >.>

Grippieluver - Lost City wrote: »

but you guyz, this will cost the PW Industry more money... and the economy is not that great right now

Khalfani - Harshlands wrote: »

Okay, how about we talk money then. Since it's what pretty much piques the best interest of such.

The Lion/Wolf/Panda form shall be none other than equippables by the barbarians. You purchase it like clothes, except it only applies to the transformation.

I'd really like this feature, even if it'd cost a few bucks here and there. Lions are awesome.

(Is the text obnoxious enough to be noticed?)

Lady_marta - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Legally Blonde 2. I hate that movie.

Anyway, I doubt this will happen. Let the GMs see it all they want (since this is NOT the first time this has been mentioned, they're probably TIRED of seeing it by now), but it's gotta get past the Chinese first. Since the white tiger is a sacred animal in their culture, there is a very poor chance of them changing it.

Lady_marta - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Christian groups HAVE tried to sue Nintendo because Pokemon makes a vague reference to the theory of evolution, so you never know what people will do.

I can't even begin to explain how mindblowingly incongruous the statement above was in relation to PWI.
Is there a crazy cult of conservative mongerers who are so devout to preserving religion? Oh wait, this isn't religion, it is a game, a game of which is based in mythology, mythology which is interchangeably symbolized by several other additions like winged elves. Were there elves in china? You simply can't compare one collectivist group with extremist beliefs to those who acknowledge mythology as mythology!
Edit:

No ad hominem intended

LordChronis - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Hell i dont think id mind paying 2 gold for a proper skin for true form.

I dont know about alot of the others but i dont care about thats its a symbol for courage and bravery in china....im not in china so unless all barbs are going to be turned into tigers it would be nice if true form matched the appearance of the barb wither it be a panda or a wolf lol

And PWI is their own branch in California (I think).

Coyote_Wise - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So what does riding a lobster symbolize?
They say it's because Chinese tradition that we don't get some things, but you can ride lobsters and buy modern clothing as well.

I'm going with the "It would be a gigantic amount of work" opinion on this. Not saying the devs are lazy, but they would have to make all new animations, models, and rewrite a lot of skill texts, and remake the skill animations and effects.

I'd expect this sort of thing to be a huge add on all it's own, or cash shop add ons (please don't do that).

Cash shop add-ons would be a more likely effect if they want to make a profit out of this.

levitation wrote: »

I vote yes, but on a slightly related side-note, why can't you be a white tiger humanoid, in my opinion it'd look better.

About the issue of it adding to the lag, simple solution is add a setting to force beast forms, basically, with the box checked, only the original tiger will appear, with it unchecked, all of the animals will be visible. Hell, a lot of MMO's have a button that forces all players to look like their in the basic gear cut back on customization and the lag disappears. But quite frankly, for me, the lag isn't bad at all, so I have to go with diverse customization.

In Chinese mythology, it is believed that all things are capable of acquiring human forms, magical powers, and immortality, provided that they receive sufficient energy, in such forms as human breath or essence from the moon and the sun.

Lastly, the white tiger isn't actually a very big symbol involving werebeasts, it's known more for being the guardian of the west.

Roojie - Lost City wrote: »

Something like this would likely be a nice change, besides. As for workload? Look at genies, new clothing, the guardian charms changing for no apparent reason, and the massive expansion. By all means, please add another thing that would be awesome too~ After all, to be frank, you can't go wrong with true forms, they can't be nurfed, ruined, or marred; balanced, or miffed... can they? True forms could be like clothing. They look awesome, add one more personal touch to the game and as far as I know, people like adding a "personal touch" to their gaming experiences.

Kagaro - Dreamweaver · October 2009

HELL YES! do u devs have any idea how degrading it is being downgraded to a feline?b:cry didnt u think of us dog lovers wen u made the extra barb presets? y didnt u match up the true forms as well

Khalfani - Harshlands · October 2009

Seeing another thread around like this.
What problems could it possibly entail if it is a cash shop item which people could equip?

Pyoot - Harshlands · October 2009

Same for Veno's!
There's like a bat, bunny, tabby, fox, it should match them too

Lady_marta - Dreamweaver · October 2009

Hey, I got quoted twice. b:victory

Yes, PWI has their own office, probably somewhere in California. However, this game was made by a Chinese company and PWI is using it through a copyright agreement. The Chinese company controls what we do and do not get since they own the copyrights. If PWI started doing whatever they wanted with the game, then they would be sued for doing it, especially since they're making money from it. So if PWI adds other forms without consent from the Chinese company, then it's bye-bye PWI.

If we are going to get other forms then it has to get past the Chinese. It HAS to, legally. Since the tiger and fox are important to their culture, there's a 99.9% chance that it won't happen.

Notice how I said culture and not religion? See? Right there, culture. Did you see it? Did you? Did you? Good. Now you can stop saying the conservative religion BS and accept the reason why we will NOT get this.

Kagaro - Dreamweaver · October 2009

im emailing bak a GM who wants a picture of what the true forms might look like. someone can make one?

Initian - Dreamweaver · October 2009

Lady_marta - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If we are going to get other forms then it has to get past the Chinese. It HAS to, legally. Since the tiger and fox are important to their culture, there's a 99.9% chance that it won't happen.

This is also why Panda's are most commonly removed out of games as offensive or defensive creatures, it's illegal in Asia to have those creatures in harm's way, be it virtual or not. So this is never, ever going to happen.

Hecklar - Sanctuary · October 2009

While we are on the topic of Giving Classes things that make Sense, Ie, Barbs/venos of different races forms to match their Race.. I think I'd like to mention, that winged elfs.. you know.. the elfs with wings... the winged Ones... Don't have Wings showing at all times.. How About introducing a cash shop item or something similar to the form idea, that alows our wings to be shown at all times.. folded up around us as we are Walking around town, or riding our mounts. Not like we should be able to hide them... <.<

ElderSig - Dreamweaver · October 2009

Initian - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This is also why Panda's are most commonly removed out of games as offensive or defensive creatures, it's illegal in Asia to have those creatures in harm's way, be it virtual or not. So this is never, ever going to happen.

Then how come you can ride a panda through thousands of horrible flesh-ripping (virtual) monsters? I don't know about you, but that seems kind of putting a panda in danger......

And Hecklar, while I like your idea, we need to keep the thread to it's original topic.

Kagaro - Dreamweaver · October 2009

clearly the majority of the players agree. y wont they do this?

Lady_marta - Dreamweaver · October 2009

ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Then how come you can ride a panda through thousands of horrible flesh-ripping (virtual) monsters? I don't know about you, but that seems kind of putting a panda in danger......

And Hecklar, while I like your idea, we need to keep the thread to it's original topic.

The panda doesn't actually fight. When you're hit on a mount, you're "knocked off" and the mount disappears.

Khalfani - Harshlands · October 2009

Kagaro - Dreamweaver wrote: »

im emailing bak a GM who wants a picture of what the true forms might look like. someone can make one?

Khalfani - Harshlands · October 2009

Managed to get a bunch of tecchies to work on the concept art for me.
I'll be de doing their digital touch ups.

Wolfgore - Heavens Tear · October 2009

b:victory I support this idea

Got tired of this roasting zombie tiger b:surrender

Technically speaking, they dont have to put much work on it. Models and animations already exist, they only need tweaking.
The button that we already have about customizations can affect true forms also, so no lag problems.
Money can be made from buying the true form, 95% of players would more than welcome this change.

Get more ppl to get their attention, thats what we need b:victory
Nice work so far

Hikaru_ - Dreamweaver · October 2009

Lady_marta - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Hey, I got quoted twice. b:victory

Yes, PWI has their own office, probably somewhere in California. However, this game was made by a Chinese company and PWI is using it through a copyright agreement. The Chinese company controls what we do and do not get since they own the copyrights. If PWI started doing whatever they wanted with the game, then they would be sued for doing it, especially since they're making money from it. So if PWI adds other forms without consent from the Chinese company, then it's bye-bye PWI.

If we are going to get other forms then it has to get past the Chinese. It HAS to, legally. Since the tiger and fox are important to their culture, there's a 99.9% chance that it won't happen.

Notice how I said culture and not religion? See? Right there, culture. Did you see it? Did you? Did you? Good. Now you can stop saying the conservative religion BS and accept the reason why we will NOT get this.

I agree with this entirely.

But if this, by some miracle, DOES happen, what do humans and elves get? Why should PWI cater to the whims of one third, soon to be one fourth, of the game? Also, why should this take precedence over fixing bugs, glitches, and other problems in the game?

ElderSig - Dreamweaver · October 2009

Hikaru_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I agree with this entirely.

But if this, by some miracle, DOES happen, what do humans and elves get? Why should PWI cater to the whims of one third, soon to be one fourth, of the game? Also, why should this take precedence over fixing bugs, glitches, and other problems in the game?

I see what you're trying to say, but the way the barbarians feel is that while the humans and elves got pw's amazing customization system, barbs got completely screwed in the area of customization of their character.

So in their point of view, the devs aren't catering to the whims of soon to be one-forth, they're just making up for what they never gave the barbarians in the first place.

Jetblaze - Heavens Tear · October 2009

How about instead of fashion they can be equiped as Mysterious Gear just like the cow shops?

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Jetblaze - Heavens Tear wrote: »

How about instead of fashion they can be equiped as Mysterious Gear just like the cow shops?

You want to turn into a cow to tank? Now I need a drink to take that picture away from my mind

NinjaFeral - Sanctuary · October 2009

Garivald - Sanctuary wrote: »

omg Another one jeez. ok. yes it would be cool, but think. all our stuff is from pw china. the tiger is a symbol of something for Chinese. not just some play toy

For all those who keeps throwing the "its chinese mythology" thing around if you guys did your research you would find that each of the animal forms in the game represents something in chinese mythology and history.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear · October 2009

NinjaFeral - Sanctuary wrote: »

For all those who keeps throwing the "its chinese mythology" thing around if you guys did your research you would find that each of the animal forms in the game represents something in chinese mythology and history.

Yes, and the most powerful of all is the white tiger.... It is not by chance that untamed male characters turn into white tigers.

Zand_pyrite - Sanctuary · October 2009

it would be interesting to have more forms for barbs to change into, different skills for each form would be cool as well.

Jetblaze - Heavens Tear · October 2009

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You want to turn into a cow to tank? Now I need a drink to take that picture away from my mind

Lol No i was talking about how for example they have the shop licence to change your cat shop to a cow shop. This item is callled a Mysterious Gear i was thinking insted of Fashion(Likes his Punk Clothes) they can use a Mysterious Gear item to change the True Forms to the animal your barb is.

Khalfani - Harshlands · October 2009

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yes, and the most powerful of all is the white tiger.... It is not by chance that untamed male characters turn into white tigers.

That might and could be the Dragon actually. Or the Komodo Dragon if you wanna get 'real' and 'technical'. But then asgain white tigers really do exist.
Nonetheless, I concur with the poster above me.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Jetblaze - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Lol No i was talking about how for example they have the shop licence to change your cat shop to a cow shop. This item is callled a Mysterious Gear i was thinking insted of Fashion(Likes his Punk Clothes) they can use a Mysterious Gear item to change the True Forms to the animal your barb is.

Even though it would go against the mythological thingy or other, I do think that would be cool... Maybe you could choose what mystical animal to turn into depending on the mysterious gear you put on.

Ok, that would be cool, and it could be still made to fit the chinese mythology.

ElderSig - Dreamweaver · October 2009

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Even though it would go against the mythological thingy or other, I do think that would be cool... Maybe you could choose what mystical animal to turn into depending on the mysterious gear you put on.

Ok, that would be cool, and it could be still made to fit the chinese mythology.

Now we've just got to convince the devs to do it.

How's the concept art coming?

Khalfani - Harshlands · October 2009

Well, I have commissioned someone to draw some concept art on a Lion, and hopefully a wolf if he has time to spare. But what concerns me, is that the person who contacted the GM, also mentioned venomancers to be included in the true form change.
And right now, I have no clue on what kind of animal is suitable for them to change in. I haven't really considered venomancers, honestly, because they already have full customizations already while barbarians don't. From what I've read, people want venomancers to change into bats/deer/rabbit. I can't really see the concept design for this in the game. So I'm gonna focus on getting the barbs done.
UNLESS, some ideas are set out here. Maybe they want the option to turn into something else. Like the suggestion I made a long time back about these true form things be manifested into items (like fashion).

As far as the concept art goes, it's just a flat hand drawn sketch, and I shall overlay it over a screenshot. Because honestly, they already have the forms. The green lion lord, I was honestly thinking of just cropping that mount out and minimizing it. But, I guess these sort of things need distinction, because they're players.
But yeah, while it's being drawn, any ideas?

Jetblaze - Heavens Tear · October 2009

After awhile of looking i managed to find some Mythology that invloves Wolves,and Lions could not find anything on bears tho =/

Wolves/Werewolves
http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?/topic/24315-chinese-werewolves/page__hl__Wolves__fromsearch__1

Lions
http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?/topic/28299-fu-dogs-with-standing-ears/page__hl__Lions__fromsearch__1
http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?/topic/18596-chinese-mythological-animals/page__hl__Lions__st__15

ElderSig - Dreamweaver · October 2009

Venos might not be too hard to do. Once again, we've got a lot of the forms already available in-game to be tweaked.

Deer - KunKun anyone?
Fox - got that
Cat - maybe a darker/larger version of the in-game tabby(?) cat?
Devil - Might have to go with a bat on this one? Just have the bat's flight locked at the veno's human form's head height. Then jumping can work from there.

Those are my ideas for venos, feel free to expand/comment on them.

Khalfani - Harshlands · October 2009

ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Venos might not be too hard to do. Once again, we've got a lot of the forms already available in-game to be tweaked.

Deer - KunKun anyone?
Fox - got that
Cat - maybe a darker/larger version of the in-game tabby(?) cat?
Devil - Might have to go with a bat on this one? Just have the bat's flight locked at the veno's human form's head height. Then jumping can work from there.

Those are my ideas for venos, feel free to expand/comment on them.

The deer can't happen in my opinion. Since, you know, how can you embrace a dear or carry one?
The cat is do-able. Bobcat, lynx, etc.
The devil, I cannot see this done either. Besides, the veno will be really hard to target.
But yeah. I've got a solid plan for the barbs already.

And since people get touchy about pandas and stuff. Im thinking Grizzly Bear. (But I'll try panda too).

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