Will u continue to play if PWE keeps it up

Foxx - Heavens Tear

xarfox wrote: »

To those concerned about rising gold prices, please refer to the following post:

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=3533292&postcount=46

What I dont understand in that post is how jolly jones drains money out of the economy. Where is it going? Its not going into the AH because for each buyer theres a seller who gets the coin. If I choose to buy gold online and buy some GA's and use jolly jones that doesnt affect in game coin.

Cant help but thinking the purpose of these events is to drive the gold price up, tho I'm not sure exactly how that would benefit PWI either.

vampirenite

Foxx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What I dont understand in that post is how jolly jones drains money out of the economy. Where is it going? Its not going into the AH because for each buyer theres a seller who gets the coin. If I choose to buy gold online and buy some GA's and use jolly jones that doesnt affect in game coin.

Cant help but thinking the purpose of these events is to drive the gold price up, tho I'm not sure exactly how that would benefit PWI either.

It definitely benefits PWI because there is more incentive to use the Cash shop. Gold will become so overpriced that the large base of coin rich players who never spend a dime in RL money (think all the Summer vacation players who have been farming/grinding all day every day) will make it somewhat worthwhile for people to actually spend cash.

Th JR event does drain but very indirectly and slowly. Angels are consumable (but as u pointed out that is an even trade), the Oracles are consumable, the Pots are consumable, but the shards aren't.

So basically only the Oracles and Event Pots drain coin from the economy.


But to address the topic, I will continue to play for a while but my incentive to spend cash no matter what the exchange rate has diminished. There does not seem to be any respect for the "investment" that players make in their purchases. The straw that did it for me was the "Shattering". The binding of my prized Flyer no longer protects it from being shattered and having to be repaired at some potentially very high cost.

Centetric - Lost City

i voted yes because im a gold seller i sell my gold for 175k-190k

im lovin this b:cute b:laugh

RedsRose - Lost City

TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »

never asked for items, I ask for bug/glitch/game fixing and new quests/events/instances

I used the term "items" as encompassing everything people ask for. Such as what you stated above ^^

G_ree_n - Sanctuary

Zyhara - Sanctuary wrote: »

People are spending money on this game, like they would spend money on a movie or an opera. Are both of those things also useless? Do you not spend money to go see a movie? Quite simply, people gain entertainment from this game, and that is what they are paying for, which is not a stupid concept at all. And if it is, I'd like you to never see a movie again, because it is exactly the same thing. But, you'll probably bring up that it takes writers, producers, and actors to create a movie, therefore making the movie more value. The same can be said for this- it takes game developers to program these things, servers to run them, people to monitor, etc. This is a free to play game, and if you don't wish to pay for it, then you don't have to. But, these people have to make money somehow, and that is what the cash shop is for.

As for the coffee analogy, I find it also completely valid in this situation. You gain enjoyment out of a cup of coffee, whether that be from the taste, smell, caffeine, or sugar intake. It is, also, a temporary thing, something that does not last. Atleast our "pixels" continue to last much longer than a cup of coffee, and brings continued entertainment to us. So, in ways, it is much more valuable than a cup of coffee, and the desired effect lasts longer.

Ta-duh!

And to stay on topic, I'm not sure if I will continue to play, only time will tell.

No, I don't spend money to "go see" movies, because cinemas charge insane prices for tickets and concessions. If a film comes out that I really want to see, I'll buy it on DVD, which I do not have to pay for every single time I want to watch it (this is a metaphor illustrating the consumable nature of many cash shop items.)

I suspect that you misunderstand the nature of my previous post. I was not debating on whether or not "coffee is better then pixels" I was simply stating that buying Starbucks Coffee does not devalue coffee beans, in general, as Paladin seemed to suggest.

When I re-read it, I honestly have no idea what one has to do with the other. Coffee is a real thing, you pay for it and you get it. The pixels in your account are the property of Perfect World Entertainment. According to the Terms of Service, they, and even your account itself, can be terminated at any time for any reason. Yes, they are entertaining, but I wouldn't go placing a great deal of value on something that can A. you don't even actually own B. has no value in a court of law C. can not legally be exchanged for real world currency.

To make my first on topic post, yes I will continue to play. None of my accounts are high lvl enough to really be affected by this.

TheGoliath - Heavens Tear

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

I used the term "items" as encompassing everything people ask for. Such as what you stated above ^^

but I don't QQ after the new patch if they fixed what I've asked


except the Flesh Ream obiovusly <_<

Filet - Heavens Tear

Foxx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What I dont understand in that post is how jolly jones drains money out of the economy. Where is it going? Its not going into the AH because for each buyer theres a seller who gets the coin. If I choose to buy gold online and buy some GA's and use jolly jones that doesnt affect in game coin.

Cant help but thinking the purpose of these events is to drive the gold price up, tho I'm not sure exactly how that would benefit PWI either.

Here's an example. I spent 50k an a GA to get a small pack of spring. I open it, get an Oracle I. I then sell the Oracle I for 60k to another player. Other player then uses the Oracle I, get the coin/exp/spirit.

I spent 50k, earned 60k, so I made a 10k profit.
However, other player spent 60k, gained 8.1k, so incurred a 51.9k loss.
If you add the two together, the supply of coins has diminished by 51.9k. The fact that most of the items given by Jolly Jones are consumables is the reason why a lot of coins will be lost. When you sell an equip the item has a continuous value because it can be resold, however once consumables are used the money spent on them is "lost."

Tigriss - Heavens Tear

Filet - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Here's an example. I spent 50k an a GA to get a small pack of spring. I open it, get an Oracle I. I then sell the Oracle I for 60k to another player. Other player then uses the Oracle I, get the coin/exp/spirit.

I spent 50k, earned 60k, so I made a 10k profit.
However, other player spent 60k, gained 8.1k, so incurred a 51.9k loss.
If you add the two together, the supply of coins has diminished by 51.9k. The fact that most of the items given by Jolly Jones are consumables is the reason why a lot of coins will be lost. When you sell an equip the item has a continuous value because it can be resold, however once consumables are used the money spent on them is "lost."

Your not takeing into account that you don't need to buy a GA. You can just trade 100k. Some people will do that cause I have ran into many lvl 60+ who still dont know how to use gold trade. People are greatly over charging for GAs because of this depending on the server and if the seller notices that a GA is acctually worth 100k right now because of old jolly.

vampirenite

Filet - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The fact that most of the items given by Jolly Jones are consumables is the reason why a lot of coins will be lost. When you sell an equip the item has a continuous value because it can be resold, however once consumables are used the money spent on them is "lost."

Only the Oracles, Scarlet Fruit and Event Pots are consumable. Also, many people will hoard the items to sell at a later date at higher prices. So the drain will be very slow.

Daerina - Heavens Tear

every single "f2p" mmo i've played has this same topic on the forums
if you don't play PW, what f2p mmo do you expect to play that won't have an economy based on cash shop items?

in the end we all have to realize the greed is not on the part of PWI, it's on the part of those people who are spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on ingame items, if no one bought cash shop stuff there would be no greed, now would there?

perfectworld is a business, they have to make money to put food on their tables, if you don't like it then stop QQing and leave already ^^

vampirenite

Daerina - Heavens Tear wrote: »

every single "f2p" mmo i've played has this same topic on the forums
if you don't play PW, what f2p mmo do you expect to play that won't have an economy based on cash shop items?

in the end we all have to realize the greed is not on the part of PWI, it's on the part of those people who are spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on ingame items, if no one bought cash shop stuff there would be no greed, now would there?

perfectworld is a business, they have to make money to put food on their tables, if you don't like it then stop QQing and leave already ^^

Your logic is flawed. How is it greed if someone spends real money? Are you greedy if you go into a store and buy a DvD and expect it to be reasonably priced and not damaged? I think anyone spending real money expects to be fairly and reasonably treated.

Daerina - Heavens Tear

vampirenite wrote: »

Your logic is flawed. How is it greed if someone spends real money? Are you greedy if you go into a store and buy a DvD and expect it to be reasonably priced and not damaged? I think anyone spending real money expects to be fairly and reasonably treated.

My logic is not flawed, you're just looking at it from one perspective.
The people who spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on CS items are greedy for ingame power and coins. A lot of people have more money in real life than they know what to do with, a few hundred dollars spent on zen is pocket change (unfortunately not all of us can say that) so they spend it to become rich and powerful in game.

PWI is simply running a business, most businesses have promotions to increase sales, you wouldn't walk into bestbuy and point to a DVD that's on sale and call them greedy for it would you?

Tigriss - Heavens Tear

Daerina - Heavens Tear wrote: »

My logic is not flawed, you're just looking at it from one perspective.
The people who spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on CS items are greedy for ingame power and coins. A lot of people have more money in real life than they know what to do with, a few hundred dollars spent on zen is pocket change (unfortunately not all of us can say that) so they spend it to become rich and powerful in game.

PWI is simply running a business, most businesses have promotions to increase sales, you wouldn't walk into bestbuy and point to a DVD that's on sale and call them greedy for it would you?

I would probably call them greedy just to get people to laugh.

Filet - Heavens Tear

Tigriss - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Your not takeing into account that you don't need to buy a GA. You can just trade 100k. Some people will do that cause I have ran into many lvl 60+ who still dont know how to use gold trade. People are greatly over charging for GAs because of this depending on the server and if the seller notices that a GA is acctually worth 100k right now because of old jolly.

If you trade 100k, then even more money is being drained. GA will not reach 100k, in order for it reach 100k gold would have to sell for over 300k each, and nobody in the game is willing to pay that much for gold. You have to take into account that the changing prices of gold affects all items, so even if 1 gold item becomes extremely valuable, the other gold items will keep the price lowered. Yes a GA is "worth" almost 100k right now, but charms are not worth 900k, dragon orbs are not worth 60k, etc. so the other cash shop items keep the Guardian Angel price lowered.

Filet - Heavens Tear

vampirenite wrote: »

Only the Oracles, Scarlet Fruit and Event Pots are consumable. Also, many people will hoard the items to sell at a later date at higher prices. So the drain will be very slow.

No the only thing that isn't consumable are the molds. Once you use a shard on an equip you can't take it out and it's lost forever. Yes it stays in the equip, and adds value to the equip, but the value of the shard itself is a fraction of what it would be if it hadn't been used. Yes many people will hoard items to sell, but many people are also selling right now because they want quick money. Either way this event will drain money.

vampirenite

Daerina - Heavens Tear wrote: »

My logic is not flawed, you're just looking at it from one perspective.
The people who spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on CS items are greedy for ingame power and coins. A lot of people have more money in real life than they know what to do with, a few hundred dollars spent on zen is pocket change (unfortunately not all of us can say that) so they spend it to become rich and powerful in game.

PWI is simply running a business, most businesses have promotions to increase sales, you wouldn't walk into bestbuy and point to a DVD that's on sale and call them greedy for it would you?

Well, there is no doubt that a company that is putting on a Sale isn't necessarily Greedy. It might just need it to survive or please investors. Especially in this RL economy.

What I am saying is that Cash Shoppers aren't necessarily Greedy either. The majority of CS players aren't wealthy and have huge amounts of cash lying around to put into a game. I think it is reasonable to expect decent customer service when you spend real cash.

vampirenite

Filet - Heavens Tear wrote: »

No the only thing that isn't consumable are the molds. Once you use a shard on an equip you can't take it out and it's lost forever. Yes it stays in the equip, and adds value to the equip, but the value of the shard itself is a fraction of what it would be if it hadn't been used. Yes many people will hoard items to sell, but many people are also selling right now because they want quick money. Either way this event will drain money.

The Shards stay in the game therefore is not truly consumable. It increases the value of the equipment although as you pointed out, usually not by as much as the value of the shard. However since the shards are cheap they eventually do once the sale is over.

One of the only things that destroyed (or removed from circulation) equipment forever ... binding. Has been seriously devalued by the Shattering.

Tigriss - Heavens Tear

vampirenite wrote: »

Well, there is no doubt that a company that is putting on a Sale isn't necessarily Greedy. It might just need it to survive or please investors. Especially in this RL economy.

What I am saying is that Cash Shoppers aren't necessarily Greedy either. The majority of CS players aren't wealthy and have huge amounts of cash lying around to put into a game. I think it is reasonable to expect decent customer service when you spend real cash.

The main problem is those same people are chargeing outragiouse prices. But on the other hand the people that are impatient and not waiting are enabling them to charge those prices. If you pay the high prices they will sell at a high price. If you refuse to pay the high price they will be forced to drop the price.

Daerina - Heavens Tear

vampirenite wrote: »

Well, there is no doubt that a company that is putting on a Sale isn't necessarily Greedy. It might just need it to survive or please investors. Especially in this RL economy.

What I am saying is that Cash Shoppers aren't necessarily Greedy either. The majority of CS players aren't wealthy and have huge amounts of cash lying around to put into a game. I think it is reasonable to expect decent customer service when you spend real cash.

the majority of CS players aren't wealthy, i agree with that, but the majority of CS players aren't the ones who have skewed the economy and forced the prices of gold to rise to outrageous prices.
It is that 5 or 10% that DO spend thousands of dollars on CS items just to resell them ingame and make a ton of coin. THOSE are the true greedy people, and the people ruining the economy, the people taking advantage of the sales in order to make an ingame profit, NOT those who take advantage of the sales for their own personal use, and NOT the company that puts on the sales to keep it's business running.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Daerina - Heavens Tear wrote: »

the majority of CS players aren't wealthy, i agree with that, but the majority of CS players aren't the ones who have skewed the economy and forced the prices of gold to rise to outrageous prices.
It is that 5 or 10% that DO spend thousands of dollars on CS items just to resell them ingame and make a ton of coin. THOSE are the true greedy people, and the people ruining the economy, the people taking advantage of the sales in order to make an ingame profit, NOT those who take advantage of the sales for their own personal use, and NOT the company that puts on the sales to keep it's business running.

You mean you should get down on your knees and thank those players that spend thousands of dollars in the game so you get to play for free?
Staff salaries and hardware and bandwith are not free.... Those 10% provide PWE with 90% of their income. Like it or not, it is a fact.
Taking advantage is taking advantage, no matter for what reason is done, if you have a problem with taking advantage for profit, I would expect you would have an issue with taking advantage for personal reasons. It is like all those movie starts talking about polution, as they board their private jets.....

They only reason they can make a HUGE profit is because you WILL buy from them. If all the players that are having this big of an issue made a pact to only use npc gear or gear you got from drops, and not buy anything from anyone, I am sure the prices of everything would come crashing down... However, you do want to get that 50 gold mount for 2.5mil coins, or the new set of black clothing, which does not help you kill any better.

Daerina - Heavens Tear

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You mean you should get down on your knees and thank those players that spend thousands of dollars in the game so you get to play for free?
Staff salaries and hardware and bandwith are not free.... Those 10% provide PWE with 90% of their income. Like it or not, it is a fact.
Taking advantage is taking advantage, no matter for what reason is done, if you have a problem with taking advantage for profit, I would expect you would have an issue with taking advantage for personal reasons. It is like all those movie starts talking about polution, as they board their private jets.....

They only reason they can make a HUGE profit is because you WILL buy from them. If all the players that are having this big of an issue made a pact to only use npc gear or gear you got from drops, and not buy anything from anyone, I am sure the prices of everything would come crashing down... However, you do want to get that 50 gold mount for 2.5mil coins, or the new set of black clothing, which does not help you kill any better.

lol how about reading some of the previous posts before making a new one k? b:victory

i already said that cash shop is necessary in order to keep the game running and that PWI is a business, my point is that the people who buy cash shop items in bulk and resell them at ridiculous prices to gain more power and coins in game are the reason that gold prices have skyrocketed and that they are the greedy ones NOT PWI

read better. kthxbai.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Daerina - Heavens Tear wrote: »

lol how about reading some of the previous posts before making a new one k? b:victory

i already said that cash shop is necessary in order to keep the game running and that PWI is a business, my point is that the people who buy cash shop items in bulk and resell them at ridiculous prices to gain more power and coins in game are the reason that gold prices have skyrocketed and that they are the greedy ones NOT PWI

read better. kthxbai.

you were blamming the people with RL money. Here is your quote "It is that 5 or 10% that DO spend thousands of dollars on CS items just to resell them ingame ", people using their credit cards to buy gold to buy cash items in bulk would have no effect in the price of gold in-game, since they are not using coins to buy gold.

If anything the problem is the other 90% of the gamers that are not RL wealthy, and will jump at a chance to buy something cheap in CS by using in-game coin to get gold. In a sense, I am guilty of helping to raise gold prices, since for some things, I will buy gold with in-game coins, therefore causing the price of gold to increase.

If people did not buy gold with coins, and instead bought the items themselves from in-game resellers, the price of gold would still be at around 100k per unit....

vampirenite

Daerina - Heavens Tear wrote: »

my point is that the people who buy cash shop items in bulk and resell them at ridiculous prices to gain more power and coins in game are the reason that gold prices have skyrocketed and that they are the greedy ones NOT PWI

I think you have it wrong there. The more people that spend real cash the lower the Gold price. The problem is that the number of people willing to use real money is less than the demand for items in the cash shop.

Having a huge number of sales in a row is creating a large demand for CS items but there is only a limited number of players willing to inject cash into the game.

If you think it is bad now wait till they reintroduce the Rare mount and Battle Pack sale. I wouldn't be surprised if Gold hits 300K.

To compound matters they don't seem to give any priority to customer support to Cash spenders when they have Zen related issues. I know since I have yet to see any of my Tickets resolved.

So why would I or any other cash spender consider spending any more cash and therefore lowering Gold prices when I feel continually screwed over?

BratFury - Heavens Tear

vampirenite wrote: »

Your logic is flawed. How is it greed if someone spends real money? Are you greedy if you go into a store and buy a DvD and expect it to be reasonably priced and not damaged? I think anyone spending real money expects to be fairly and reasonably treated.

I in fact think this is one of the biggest issues. Lets recap! Last week's maintenance brought about horrid glitches, numerous problems and angry masses. Last weekends sale brought about horrid gold prices, numerous complaints b/c it ended before time, and angry masses. This weeks maintenance fixed a few glitches, brought on a few more, numerous things that angered players and therefore, angry masses. Getting the gist?If I spend MY money.. I want to get what I'm paying for. Not something that half works, keeps being changed, keeps getting messed up and has the community upset and in an uproar.

vampirenite wrote: »

I think you have it wrong there. The more people that spend real cash the lower the Gold price. The problem is that the number of people willing to use real money is less than the demand for items in the cash shop.

Having a huge number of sales in a row is creating a large demand for CS items but there is only a limited number of players willing to inject cash into the game.

If you think it is bad now wait till they reintroduce the Rare mount and Battle Pack sale. I wouldn't be surprised if Gold hits 300K.

To compound matters they don't seem to give any priority to customer support to Cash spenders when they have Zen related issues. I know since I have yet to see any of my Tickets resolved.

So why would I or any other cash spender consider spending any more cash and therefore lowering Gold prices when I feel continually screwed over?

Right, still... we've not been answered what they intend to do about the mess up with last weeks debacle about the cash shop. There has been no note, no sticky, no explanation. NOTHING!! If they can't answer our calls for help (tickets) why answer theirs (paychecks)? I get your theory. However; the more you resist, the worse things will get. If we hope to salvage this game at all... something is going to have to be done. Not saying we( the players) can fix anything... but it would be nice.

Alyyy - Sanctuary

lol i say no im already leaving(for a week lol....).....pwi u lost a gold buyer lolb:surrenderb:sad


and wtf is wrong with this "equipment shatter" omg just greed(ur wings get destroyed and u have to buy new ones or anything that costs real $$$ i protest lol) im definetly gona stop playing if this keeps up

Yulk - Heavens Tear

I vote yes, so far i haven't been ripped off or even ****... so idk whats going on ^^. Trust me, there is a company way worse than what u think of PWI "Gods have fat wallets" trust me. If you think PWI is plagued with greed. Try another mmo i used to go to. Greed was written all over it, even the company.

hawk

Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »

lol i say no im already leaving(for a week lol....).....pwi u lost a gold buyer lolb:surrenderb:sad


and wtf is wrong with this "equipment shatter" omg just greed(ur wings get destroyed and u have to buy new ones or anything that costs real $$$ i protest lol) im definetly gona stop playing if this keeps up

None of your equipment is destroyed when it shatters. It just loses all of its stats, which can be repaired at a blacksmith with chi stones. You lose nothing permanently. Chi stones have nothing to do with the cash shop either.

BratFury - Heavens Tear

hawk wrote: »

None of your equipment is destroyed when it shatters. It just loses all of its stats, which can be repaired at a blacksmith with chi stones. You lose nothing permanently. Chi stones have nothing to do with the cash shop either.

I read even your aerogear can be messed up? What about all these people who bind stuff? They have only lost what money they spent doing so.

Aoe - Heavens Tear

BratFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I read even your aerogear can be messed up? What about all these people who bind stuff? They have only lost what money they spent doing so.

I think binding only prevents it from dropping. I hate to see something i bought that was fifty dollars drop to someone else. Shattering is different it just breaks i think it just for weapons, tomes, and armor. stuff like that. So chi stones can be used to fix it. The harder thing might just be mirage stones for the special stuff. Since they are so expensive. So people binding stuff haven't wasted money.

Case scenerio. I get pked my armor isn't bound to me it might shatter but also might drop. If that happens someone has nice armor that they can just fix and keep. However if i bound it to me it won't drop just break, i still keep it and can just fix it.

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear

Aoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I think binding only prevents it from dropping. I hate to see something i bought that was fifty dollars drop to someone else. Shattering is different it just breaks i think it just for weapons, tomes, and armor. stuff like that. So chi stones can be used to fix it. The harder thing might just be mirage stones for the special stuff. Since they are so expensive. So people binding stuff haven't wasted money.

Case scenerio. I get pked my armor isn't bound to me it might shatter but also might drop. If that happens someone has nice armor that they can just fix and keep. However if i bound it to me it won't drop just break, i still keep it and can just fix it.

Mirage stones /= Chi stones
Mirage stones = Celestones
GET IT RIGHT.