FAC discussion thread.

Masanori - Harshlands
Masanori - Harshlands Posts: 6 Arc User
edited August 2009 in Cleric
For those of you who don't know, FAC = Full Attack Cleric, a cleric based on dealing as much damage as possible, by substituting VIT for MAG.

Discuss.

I myself can't seem to see why they're so ridiculed b:sad
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  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    If you wish to see drama and flames, go burn your house in front of your family instead. You know very well where FAC threads lead to.
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  • Masanori - Harshlands
    Masanori - Harshlands Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Not really, or I wouldn't have posted it :/
  • Elgardo - Sanctuary
    Elgardo - Sanctuary Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    ^^ what she said :P

    don't take it as an insult tho. just like you said, FACs are often ridiculed cus it's different from the classic build which results a lot of argues and different opinions, and bassicaly "drama" as stated previously xD
  • Elgardo - Sanctuary
    Elgardo - Sanctuary Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    also the "what she said" goes to Deceptistar but didn't post fast enough xD
  • Slake - Lost City
    Slake - Lost City Posts: 348 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Im assuming you have read Cayeon's Guide (haven't we all at some point..)

    IF you had, you would know that the FAC and FSC aren't actually builds, you can be a so called FAC with full vit build if u want, you just don't get any support skills and vice versa with FSC. ( this has been discussed at length in forums)

    So not only is your inherent question flawed but FAC is definately fail, because clerics can ultimately afford ALL their skills and the variabilty between DD and healer is one of the funnest parts about being a cleric, so if u wanna just deal dmg spells and not heal, u may as well roll a wiz.
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Slake - Lost City wrote: »
    Im assuming you have read Cayeon's Guide (haven't we all at some point..)

    IF you had, you would know that the FAC and FSC aren't actually builds, you can be a so called FAC with full vit build if u want, you just don't get any support skills and vice versa with FSC. ( this has been discussed at length in forums)

    So not only is your inherent question flawed but FAC is definately fail, because clerics can ultimately afford ALL their skills and the variabilty between DD and healer is one of the funnest parts about being a cleric, so if u wanna just deal dmg spells and not heal, u may as well roll a wiz.

    what she said ^^



    FACs are a joke
    i have a harder time against vit clerics than i do against FACs :3

    well logically its a FMC

    FMC= Full Mag Cleric
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Elfmonkey - Lost City
    Elfmonkey - Lost City Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    hey full attack clerics are nice build only because there are build form there gear and depend on there gear. i mean i can call myself a pure build and i have most of the skillz like a fac need and i also have most of the support skillz to heal.This build is good for pvp and pve. you have enough mag to heal urself during an attack hit plume shell and yall still have enough mp to survive. and plus we do 100 percent times dmg and its like 2k more dmg then support clerics. i pick dmg over vit anytime bro. as long as i have 3k hp im good.
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I would say pointless unless you modify it for farming but you can use the AoE Cleric build for that.
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  • ExELFine - Heavens Tear
    ExELFine - Heavens Tear Posts: 362 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    FAC, according to Cayeon's guide, is Full MAG Cleric.. which means min Vit, ie 3 or 4, give STR according to equip and everything else in MAG.

    Max buffs, debuffs and nukes. What I'm not seeing in all the discussions here about FAC is the Metal Mastery skill: max it, if you want your nukes to work their wonders. And most of all, don't think like healers. Get RB but not BB: you're not a primary healer. And leave your rez to 1 (got mine to 3, I'm generous that way, hehe).

    As for depending on our gemmed equipment to survive, it is not any worse than venos depending on their pets to survive, or any other class who needs something else.

    For PvP, if you have maxed your debuffs (stun/silence/sleep) you should be able to keep your ground pretty fairly and with your nukes maxed, deal enough damage so that they won't be asking for more.
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    FACs are a joke, i laugh when they spam plume shot/razor feathers and it does like so little damage b:laugh

    400-700 b:chuckle
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Camerlengo - Dreamweaver
    Camerlengo - Dreamweaver Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    FACs are a joke, i laugh when they spam plume shot/razor feathers and it does like so little damage b:laugh

    400-700 b:chuckle

    That's because you're a BM (heavy armor) and they fail. Now if they had used Great Cyclone or Wield Thunder...
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  • GodlyTank - Dreamweaver
    GodlyTank - Dreamweaver Posts: 114 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Masanori - Harshlands wrote: »
    For those of you who don't know, FAC = Full Attack Cleric, a cleric based on dealing as much damage as possible, by substituting VIT for MAG.

    Discuss.

    I myself can't seem to see why they're so ridiculed b:sad

    One of the main reasons they are ridiculed is they stray away from the "Main Point" of their build / Skill choice. I can guarentee, nobody wants a cleric that only has attack skills. That is completely Pointless, if u wanna attack then go be a frickin mage. You will have trouble joining squads in the future and will have a tough time leveling up because nobody wants a FAC Cleric in their squad.

    Only reason anyone should go Full Attack is for PvP server
    b:sweat
  • ExELFine - Heavens Tear
    ExELFine - Heavens Tear Posts: 362 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    GodlyTank - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    One of the main reasons they are ridiculed is they stray away from the "Main Point" of their build / Skill choice. I can guarentee, nobody wants a cleric that only has attack skills.

    You're right, buffs and debuffs are our best friends, then come the nukes for killing the silenced/paralyzed mob. All those need to be maxed, tho, as well as Metal Mastery.
    That is completely Pointless, if u wanna attack then go be a frickin mage. You will have trouble joining squads in the future and will have a tough time leveling up because nobody wants a FAC Cleric in their squad.

    Right again, but only for the stupid players who have no idea how a FAC operates. Those only want a Healer to save their sorry behinds, so no love loss here, hehe. More and more clerics are building FACs -- I really wonder why *sigh* -- we can deal damage and yet at the same time, take care of ourselves and of our teammates.
    Only reason anyone should go Full Attack is for PvP server

    Wrong. Think TW...

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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Camerlengo - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    That's because you're a BM (heavy armor) and they fail. Now if they had used Great Cyclone or Wield Thunder...

    thats a wizard sig.. not a bm b:lipcurl
  • Magiere - Dreamweaver
    Magiere - Dreamweaver Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Thats so ridiculous...it cost like nothing to max Ironheart, and you are a normal max Mag build for best heal possible...

    Not to mention, at higher levels like me you have all skills maxed anyway.
    Attack and Heal/Defense.
    Useless discussion..
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  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    b:surrenderb:cry

    Save me from the FAC thread...

    You can have awesome attacks while having awesome heals at the same time. That is what makes a Cleric.

    The higher the Magic = Higher the Attack.

    This is ridiculous every time we have this discussion.

    The main difference = no heals are upgraded. So then what are you going to do? Not a lot of HH/TT, FB's, Rebirth (forget about it)...I can keep going but need to get out of this thread b:sad
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Camerlengo - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    That's because you're a BM (heavy armor) and they fail. Now if they had used Great Cyclone or Wield Thunder...

    not the metal attacks b:shocked
    b:avoid
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • ExELFine - Heavens Tear
    ExELFine - Heavens Tear Posts: 362 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Magiere - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Thats so ridiculous...it cost like nothing to max Ironheart, and you are a normal max Mag build for best heal possible...

    I don't know whom this reply is addressed to, but obviously, Ironheart is maxed early on. How else we heal ourselves?
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  • Ahira - Lost City
    Ahira - Lost City Posts: 791 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    ExELFine - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Wrong. Think TW...

    b:sin

    TW is very role specific. If you're going to be solely DDing/PVPing, either your TW hasnt been organised very well- or your guild is blessed with having a very large pool of clerics, allowing alot to free-role. ^_^
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  • Magiere - Dreamweaver
    Magiere - Dreamweaver Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    ExELFine - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I don't know whom this reply is addressed to, but obviously, Ironheart is maxed early on. How else we heal ourselves?

    This is adressed to the stupid idea of a FAC cleric.
    If its so easy to have both.
    Originally written by Satchiko to me regarding old spice commercial :
    Hello Perfect World. Look at your cleric, now back to me, now back to your cleric, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me. But if you stopped being a noob and started wearing sunglasses you could act like you're me. Look down, back up, where are you? You're on Dreamweaver with the cleric your cleric could be like. What's in your hand, back at me. It's an inventory filled with the gear you want. Look again, the gear is now diamonds. Anything is possible with sunglasses. I'm flying on starter wings.
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I thought this got locked
    Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.
  • ExELFine - Heavens Tear
    ExELFine - Heavens Tear Posts: 362 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Magiere - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    If its so easy to have both.

    Both what???

    It's not stupid to build a FAC, it's a real challenge. If you don't like, just hang with the full healers or hybrids, you should be happy :)
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  • Zorish - Harshlands
    Zorish - Harshlands Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    ExELFine - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Both what???

    It's not stupid to build a FAC, it's a real challenge. If you don't like, just hang with the full healers or hybrids, you should be happy :)


    FAC DONT EXIST!!!!!!!!!!!! YOURE NOT A FACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC

    GET IT GET IT GET IT

    FACS DONT LVL IRONHEART!!!

    Go read Cayeons guild

    Youre just regular Full Magic Build... how can you be SO blind!
  • Alyyy - Sanctuary
    Alyyy - Sanctuary Posts: 3,165 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    no1 wants facs because theyre "full atack cleric" heck i would rather have a wizard or a blade master in my squad

    FAC's and FSC's do exist but they are not wanted in ANY party, they are just fails (there are mutant clerics that do not know how to learn theyre class they may say i am a FSC(yay i cant defend myself im useless)/FAC(yay i cant heal no1 wants to party with me exept missguided mortals such as myself)


    personaly FSC's/FAC's make me laugh and cry at the same time they just dont know how to play properly
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  • ExELFine - Heavens Tear
    ExELFine - Heavens Tear Posts: 362 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Zorish - Harshlands wrote: »
    FAC DONT EXIST!!!!!!!!!!!! YOURE NOT A FACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC

    GET IT GET IT GET IT

    FACS DONT LVL IRONHEART!!!

    Go read Cayeons guild

    Youre just regular Full Magic Build... how can you be SO blind!

    Are you obsessed or just plain stupid???

    You've posted the exact same reply in another thread here, it's starting to look like harassment.

    You suggest I read Cayeon's guide... have you? I've not only read it, I studied it point by point and tested each one of them.

    I started this character back in November, and have been playing it every single day so I'm pretty familiar with its strengths and flaws, don't worry. In fact, this character is the first one I ever played in PWI.

    Truth be told, I really don't see your point here. Whether it is Full MAG or FAC, there's no difference, because the goal is the same.

    If a player builds a cleric giving it more vit or strength, that's because he/she wants a good healer that can also take aggro off his/her teammates, and that's also a wonderful build, albeit hybrid, it cannot achieve the same purposes as a FAC so, in the end, it all starts with the player's intention.

    On the other hand, if you just feel like flaming or trolling, I'm telling you right now, you're just wasting your time because I really don't give a flying hoot about what you have issues with.
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  • Slake - Lost City
    Slake - Lost City Posts: 348 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    but the goal of a full mag cleric isn't the same as a FAC......

    You could only lvl healing skills and be a so called "Full Support Cleric" and still have the full mag build.

    Comparing FAC to Full Mag doesn't make sense...

    it like comparing an Apple to a Welsh squirrel trapper...

    Two very different things.
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  • Ahira - Lost City
    Ahira - Lost City Posts: 791 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Zorish - Harshlands wrote: »
    FAC DONT EXIST!!!!!!!!!!!! YOURE NOT A FACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC

    GET IT GET IT GET IT

    FACS DONT LVL IRONHEART!!!

    Go read Cayeons guild

    Youre just regular Full Magic Build... how can you be SO blind!

    Cayeons intends not to level heals be he actually does. b:bye
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  • GodlyTank - Dreamweaver
    GodlyTank - Dreamweaver Posts: 114 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Masanori - Harshlands wrote: »
    For those of you who don't know, FAC = Full Attack Cleric, a cleric based on dealing as much damage as possible, by substituting VIT for MAG.

    Discuss.

    I myself can't seem to see why they're so ridiculed b:sad

    And Ta Dah! THere are more votes for "FAC is a Totally pointless build"

    Hope u FAC thinkers enjoy b:bye
    b:sweat
  • andracil
    andracil Posts: 2,949 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Why does every FAC thread turn into a flame war? Last chance for this thread, try discussing this like grownups now.
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  • Sylvae - Sanctuary
    Sylvae - Sanctuary Posts: 1,018 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    FACs as intended for PWI servers based on Cayeon's guide, do have Ironheart and Purify. Another "expert" tried saying there was no mention, and I posted exactly where it was. Look towards the end and it says to lvl up Ironheart and Purify of at least lvl 5 for AoE solo grinding. And with 3 vit, my cleric can AoE around 30 lvl 96 spiders no problem currently, so not being hurt by going full magic.
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