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  • ExELFine - Heavens Tear
    ExELFine - Heavens Tear Posts: 362 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    To Nelae:

    You are in bad faith and deforming my thought. Please pull yourself together.

    Read 100 times: I do heal my teammates. As for the rest of your post, it's utter nonsense.


    To Lady Xel:

    It's about the mind-frame... and thanks for your understanding and support :)

    To Ninnuam:

    A very lucid insight indeed. Stealing aggro is the last thing a FAC wants to do, so either we team with our own level (barbs and other DD's) or with lower levels (and just be happy to spam-heal).

    Needless to tell what my choice will be.

    Mad_Doc wrote:
    I used to go with that FAC build till I started partying with people alot. Most of the fun in pwi for me was to be with friends and helping everyone succeed. Being a FAC made that almost impossible...and I couldn't make myself antisocial enough to res ppl with lvl 1 res.

    In my case: untrue. With all the BH's and other quests these days, most parties are very happy to welcome a secondary healer with DD powers. FAC rule :) ... you just needed to be patient and, confident!

    On a closing note, I am glad to notice that FAC (very good) is getting major votes.

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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    i still believe it should be called full mag cleric not FAC
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Lenyel - Harshlands
    Lenyel - Harshlands Posts: 384 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    i still believe it should be called full mag cleric not FAC

    But FAC and Full MAG are two different things... All FACs are Full MAG, but not all Full MAGs are FAC...
  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    ExELFine tell me what is so special about a FAC lv80 then other clerics.
    And i mean special.

    Until you answer for others.
    getting BB is 87k spirit
    getting revive lv10 is 208k spirit all together
    Coin cost for those 2 skills is 398k

    Its cheap, and not by any means does your attack skills suffer on that lv or does make FAC better at DD.

    Mind set? wtf? roll a wizard its the pure DD mag class.

    Cleric mind set is more complex then just DD, if you dont get it you fail thnx bai b:bye
    b:dirty
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Lenyel - Harshlands wrote: »
    But FAC and Full MAG are two different things... All FACs are Full MAG, but not all Full MAGs are FAC...
    but she said she heals her teammates so logically, she isnt FAC just a full mag cleric right?
    Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ExELFine tell me what is so special about a FAC lv80 then other clerics.
    And i mean special.

    Until you answer for others.
    getting BB is 87k spirit
    getting revive lv10 is 208k spirit all together
    Coin cost for those 2 skills is 398k

    Its cheap, and not by any means does your attack skills suffer on that lv or does make FAC better at DD.

    Mind set? wtf? roll a wizard its the pure DD mag class.

    Cleric mind set is more complex then just DD, if you dont get it you fail thnx bai b:bye

    wizards arent full DDs, we have a heal, buffs and debuffs.
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Lenyel - Harshlands
    Lenyel - Harshlands Posts: 384 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    but she said she heals her teammates so logically, she isnt FAC just a full mag cleric right?

    Maybe you are right b:laugh


    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    wizards arent full DDs, we have a heal, buffs and debuffs.

    Yes, you are full DDs b:victory
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Lenyel - Harshlands wrote: »
    Maybe you are right b:laugh





    Yes, you are full DDs b:victory

    well we do a lot of damage but logically we arent full attack wizards

    i used sutra + morning dew plenty of times when the cleric was unable to stabilize the tanks HP
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I cannot believe this thread is still alive...

    I for one do not like the term "FAC," but to each there own.

    Here is what it comes down too....This is a Full Mag build.

    What "makes" people call themselves FAC = the skills they choose NOT to get. That is the only difference.

    I do not understand it but it is there style of play. But as a Cleric I could not imagine this "build" (in terms of skills) anything but a gimp to the gameplay. I may be wrong but that is my opinion.

    Simply ---> FAC = not all skills that the majority of Clerics find essential, especially later in the game. I think I noted in another post...not haveing BB and having to rely on a 2nd Cleric to me is just eh....Not all parties will want or need 2 Clerics. Many, even at the higher levels, can do perfectly fine with one Cleric who has BB.
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  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I would say FACs aren't as good a normal Clerics as they can pretty much do the same thing.I would just need to lvl up my attack skills but over all I am hybrid awaiting BB and Tempest and if I can afford it Heaven's Wrath.This when I get my FB59 done which is going slow.
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  • ExELFine - Heavens Tear
    ExELFine - Heavens Tear Posts: 362 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Hi threadies :)

    Well it seems everyone's out of arguments and the same old ones are being repeated over and over again, even when they have been refuted and proven wrong. It also only confirms the non-cleric frustrations of not having a cleric at their beak and call. Other full-healing clerics try to demonstrate that each one of us should share in their frustration of watching their teammates have fun while they have to spam heal them in order for the show to go on.

    I'm sorry, but my idea of a fun game never included half-hour sessions of keeping one finger on one key to save every one else's charm from ticking.

    I like to partake in the action (I gave myself the means to), even if it does include saving teammates from dying (cause I can do it), until all bosses are dead and we share the loot.

    I can only suggest everyone builds such a character and tries getting it to 80 without cheating: it's a very long and lonely road, hence the pride of being able to say: for a FAC, the game starts at level 80.

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  • Mad_Doc - Sanctuary
    Mad_Doc - Sanctuary Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    ExELFine - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Hi threadies :)

    Well it seems everyone's out of arguments and the same old ones are being repeated over and over again, even when they have been refuted and proven wrong. It also only confirms the non-cleric frustrations of not having a cleric at their beak and call. Other full-healing clerics try to demonstrate that each one of us should share in their frustration of watching their teammates have fun while they have to spam heal them in order for the show to go on.


    Ok which points are you referring to that was "proven" wrong?
    How did you ever come to the conclusion that people are frustrated without a cleric at their beck and call? Getting pissed that someone misrepresented themselves/ress you with low lvl res and over all get everyone killed are legit concerns. Seems someone drank some special koolaid...I want some too b:thanks
    ExELFine - Heavens Tear wrote: »

    I'm sorry, but my idea of a fun game never included half-hour sessions of keeping one finger on one key to save every one else's charm from ticking.

    I like to partake in the action (I gave myself the means to), even if it does include saving teammates from dying (cause I can do it), until all bosses are dead and we share the loot.

    I can only suggest everyone builds such a character and tries getting it to 80 without cheating: it's a very long and lonely road, hence the pride of being able to say: for a FAC, the game starts at level 80.

    b:pleased

    Ok. Now you are just flaming. What do you mean "getting it to 80 without cheating"? Are you implying the clerics who level quickly and gain alot of money, exp, sp, skills, friends, and over all pwnage in pvp is because they decided to NOT go with your build...is cheating? Hey just because I can 1-2 shot FACs in duels doesn't mean I cheated. b:angry

    It's not my fault the FAC didn't max his self heal and buff skills and leaving himself with low hp. I'm happy you got to 80 by being a FAC and all, but really it's like a healthy person deciding to race using wheelchairs. You can run perfectly fine...you just decided to take the harder route and then when you lose...you call everyone else who ran with their legs...cheating. b:surrender
  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Well it seems everyone's out of arguments and the same old ones are being repeated over and over again, even when they have been refuted and proven wrong. It also only confirms the non-cleric frustrations of not having a cleric at their beak and call. Other full-healing clerics try to demonstrate that each one of us should share in their frustration of watching their teammates have fun while they have to spam heal them in order for the show to go on.

    Proved wrong...i would like to see that O_o.
    Idk what is so frustrating being a cleric and taking care of your party. If there isnt a cleric there would be no action what so ever + you can join the action just it takes the know how ^^
    I'm sorry, but my idea of a fun game never included half-hour sessions of keeping one finger on one key to save every one else's charm from ticking.

    I like to partake in the action (I gave myself the means to), even if it does include saving teammates from dying (cause I can do it), until all bosses are dead and we share the loot.

    I am sorry, why did you then take the roll of a cleric for....every one hates pressing one key but i hope thats not the reason for not getting some skills very much needed.
    And the only way you "I have myself the means to" is by being selfish for a class that is a cleric.
    I can only suggest everyone builds such a character and tries getting it to 80 without cheating: it's a very long and lonely road, hence the pride of being able to say: for a FAC, the game starts at level 80.

    Cheating O_o wtf?
    The true potential of a cleric wont start for a FAC never, not cause it couldnt its just cause you wont...

    Peace out
    b:dirty
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    ExELFine - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Hi threadies :)


    I'm sorry, but my idea of a fun game never included half-hour sessions of keeping one finger on one key to save every one else's charm from ticking.

    I can only suggest everyone builds such a character and tries getting it to 80 without cheating: it's a very long and lonely road, hence the pride of being able to say: for a FAC, the game starts at level 80.

    b:pleased
    Then you shouldn't of rolled a Cleric a Veno perhaps and you would be making way more money.
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    mystimonk - Sanctuary wrote: »
    then You Shouldn't Of Rolled A Cleric A Veno Perhaps And You Would Be Making Way More Money.

    I Lol'd At This!
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Ahira - Lost City
    Ahira - Lost City Posts: 791 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Congrats on page 11 for thread! Amazing how its avoided getting locked for this long! =O
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  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I Lol'd At This!

    Why it is true every word of it an that is capital M.
    Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.
  • aryannamage
    aryannamage Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Like every FAC thread so far this one has also ended in flaming so am putting a stop to this now.

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