What class is more useful BM or Archer?

Aesthor - Heavens Tear

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Pple just pointed out who aggroed more. Your the only one that took out the word 'noob' and labeled it on the BM. Shame on you.

QQ.

10char

Granrey - Sanctuary

DSB_SPARTAN - Sanctuary wrote: »

Who would you rather have in your fb/tt party a BM or Archer.

IMO BMs are slightly on the common side and if you have a veno and a barb the BMs become useless. Although they can give good 'support fire'

Whereas archers are great DD's and can put out constant damage.

In TW's I reckon they both have their uses. But I think archer has the BM beat.

BM is a utility class. off tank, regular dd, ect.

Saying that, I cant recall a case in which an archer is needed as something important.

archers mostly steal agro even though they dont want to do it. They cant take a hit.

However, I like to grind with archers when dealing with magic mobs that are in packs.

Granrey - Sanctuary

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »

In an FB, I'll take the BM for their defense buff every time over an archer.

the best partners for me in FB39, and fb51 are barbs.b:victory

its great how bm and barbs rush into the mobs.b:victory

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

QQ.

10char

Speak english girl, you sound like a handicap. Babies can say more syllables than you.

Quilue - Sanctuary

i think in general, bms are harder to play than archers, that why you'd see more "bm noobs" than "archer noobs"

darkjagans

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

i think in general, bms are harder to play than archers, that why you'd see more "bm noobs" than "archer noobs"

ah... good point

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

i think in general, bms are harder to play than archers, that why you'd see more "bm noobs" than "archer noobs"

I would say it is the other way around.I don't like to put one class over the other.

Briegg - Sanctuary

tt's fb's bm's are kinda just an extra
not really needed sometimes nice to have

in rb's though
woot! we rule (O.o )

but really for rb's every class is needed
but still i'd say bm's play a big role
without a good bm your pretty much bound to not complete

Onlyjayy - Heavens Tear

archer is more useful

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

i think in general, bms are harder to play than archers, that why you'd see more "bm noobs" than "archer noobs"

That would explain some, since BM roles are so versatile its hard to learn everything perfect.

Lifeup - Heavens Tear

Archer. I love me some elf =D

TigerLily - Lost City

DSB_SPARTAN - Sanctuary wrote: »

Who would you rather have in your fb/tt party a BM or Archer.

IMO BMs are slightly on the common side and if you have a veno and a barb the BMs become useless. Although they can give good 'support fire'

Whereas archers are great DD's and can put out constant damage.

In TW's I reckon they both have their uses. But I think archer has the BM beat.

It really depends what TT or instance you're running. And most of the time you kinda need a bm AND archer, so it makes no sense picking only 1.

But for belia (or any boss that might aoe on squishy clerics in party) or Lunar glade or GV, i would pick a Bm before archer. Sometimes stun on several mobs, dragon and phy def buffs is really important to keep party safe and finish the damn thing in reasonable time. But doing easy instances, like 90% of TT and pretty much all fbs, archers kinda makes it faster with dps and ST.

For TT tho i would rather pick an extra veno before both archer/BM, since just the veno pet does more dmg than the archer and Bm together b:sad

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear

I myself being a BM find that having a BM is more useful. I have a cleric alt. And I still think the BM is more useful.

Every time I run a TT/FB with an archer I have to spend half my time saving them because they are busy running around like a chicken with its head cut off because they drew aggro. I would prefer not to have an archer in squad ever.

Now, with that being said. I do have a couple good friends that are archers that know how to control their toon. And playing with them is much better. So I will party with them. And they like to party with me because if they make a mistake i can cover them. BM's are mob control.

Anyways if archers aren't able to use their abilities (DD) to their full potential I find that to be less then use full. But the same could be said of BM's that don't know how to play. (i've played with those guys too....its so frustrating.....)

So the bottom line is. I would take a BM over and archer.

My ideal squad for TT would be:

Barb
Cleric
Veno
BM
Veno
Veno/cleric

Granrey - Sanctuary

my ideal squad:

1 cleric, the rest BMS and barbsb:chuckle

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver

Onlyjayy - Heavens Tear wrote: »

archer is more useful

Rock tastes better than dirt.

Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »

my ideal squad:

1 cleric, the rest BMS and barbsb:chuckle

Think that cleric will run head-first into the first mob they see, after about 10 minutes. b:laugh

FitHitDShan - Sanctuary

This inane discussion is still going on?

Since I have an 8x BM and a 7x archer, I can definitely say that there is virtually no difference in the general usefulness of these two classes. Both have their moments to shine. Neither is virtually essential to every squad (like a barb or cleric may be). Both have their shortcomings, as well.

And, for whoever raised the question of whether a BM or archer is harder to learn, I'd say it is BM without question that is harder to master. Perhaps that explains why so few BMs posting here have had enough time to learn how other classes play.

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Aesthor - Heavens Tear

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Speak english girl, you sound like a handicap. Babies can say more syllables than you.

There is no English on the internet. Everyone speaks in acronyms and expressions.

And if I want to label people, I will. There is no better place to label people than on the forums. Heck where else can I find know it all clerics who think they're so mature because they are politically correct. It's not like I haven't fallen to other people's labels myself. Of course it's not a matter of if someone does it to me, I do it to them; it's more a matter of that's what's fun and relaxing about being on the forums/internet, so might as well enjoy it.

BMs are noobs, archers as a-holes, and Enrage is the big bad bully. So what. Clerics should get their nose out of the air.

I may be handicapped but I'm having fun, so I don't give a rat's ****.

P.S. All I said in this post is one syllable. If you can't fit it in one syllable in your head, you're a noob.

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Aesthor - Heavens Tear

boo4u wrote: »

great pick..really dont need a veno..i rarely use a veno unless one needs a quest in a tt..other than that..i use GENIES to lure lol.

I lure with my "provoke" animation. It works like a charm.

Alwin - Heavens Tear

SoulCallibur - Sanctuary wrote: »

choose archers and never look back.

BM's are a jack of all trades and master of none. But both classes are cool i guess



so who are the DDs???

lol, master of none? that would be a fail bm. and i could out DD any class, if they dont have aggro skills(barbs/pets)

Aesthor - Heavens Tear

Alwin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

lol, master of none? that would be a fail bm. and i could out DD any class, if they dont have aggro skills(barbs/pets)

If that were true I'd be more willing to run with BM tanks.

You might as well edit that to "if they don't DD or have aggro skills"

Alwin - Heavens Tear

Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If that were true I'd be more willing to run with BM tanks.

You might as well edit that to "if they don't DD or have aggro skills"

im not called fail win for nothing b:chuckle


Edit:
Most bms i seen on tt/fbs just click on the boss once and just slap it then use a spark/skills( Ex:heaven flame) every now and then

Coyote_Wise - Heavens Tear

Mosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

in tt BM are good when thers a physical aoe boss or a boss that needs interrupts, which with genies has lessened the need of bms
for rebirth most of the job is the bms, thier job is to take a lot of the aggro aoe stun and aoe **** to death making sure the cleric wiz archer dont take aggro

If the barb isn't interrupting with Alacrity, he's not doing his job right.
Stunning can sometimes reset aggro I've heard, so I prefer the BM just to pile on the huge damage they can do.

However, in TT I'd rather have the archer, because they can blast away without being in the AoE most of the time.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

There is no English on the internet. Everyone speaks in acronyms and expressions.

And if I want to label people, I will. There is no better place to label people than on the forums. Heck where else can I find know it all clerics who think they're so mature because they are politically correct. It's not like I haven't fallen to other people's labels myself. Of course it's not a matter of if someone does it to me, I do it to them; it's more a matter of that's what's fun and relaxing about being on the forums/internet, so might as well enjoy it.

BMs are noobs, archers as a-holes, and Enrage is the big bad bully. So what. Clerics should get their nose out of the air.

I may be handicapped but I'm having fun, so I don't give a rat's ****.

P.S. All I said in this post is one syllable. If you can't fit it in one syllable in your head, you're a noob.

QQ noobb:sad............

Alyyy - Sanctuary

i oficialy lowe to party with BMsb:victoryjust got about 20% grinding with 1 ^,.,^

Aesthor - Heavens Tear

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

QQ noobb:sad............

Funny how things turn around

Lil' disabled baby for ya.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Funny how things turn around

Lil' disabled baby for ya.

having fun admitting yourself disabled?b:chuckle

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »

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My ideal squad for TT would be:

Barb
Cleric
Veno
BM
Veno
Veno/cleric

It is shame you would put squad together like that it shows you don't think or know anything of balance.

Granrey .I am not sure if a cleric would want to join your squad as you show the same thing.
This is also discrimnating against two classes.

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

It is shame you would put squad together like that it shows you don't think or know anything of balance.

Granrey .I am not sure if a cleric would want to join your squad as you show the same thing.
This is also discrimnating against two classes.

I don't think you quite understand how a TT goes.

The fact of the matter is.

Veno's pets deal full damage on bosses.

Everyone else deals 1/4.

With a proper squad a herc will tank while one or two veno's heal herc when needed. And attack with their pets.
The barb will cancel aoe's and the cleric will blue bubble or red bubble as is needed depending on what TT boss you are fighting. While the other veno amps. And if one can spare the time to amp too...then good.
The BM uses Dragon and builds chi as fast as possible to do so again. Which allows the venos pets to deal even more damage. Boss dead in less then 5 minutes.

I have run TT's with many different configurations wizards, archers, and this one is my favorite.

Higher TT's you switch out a veno for an extra cleric. Same tactic used...and if Herc can't tank. Then Barb does. BM is there for crowd control as you travel to bosses.

Making assumptions on what you think I know about party configurations isn't something one should be in the habit of doing.

Thank you for your time.