Genie system "EPIC FAIL" big surprise

Falcus - Heavens Tear

As any one that has checked into the genie system has found out it is "useless" for anything but PvP, a huge cash sink(ingame gold and real life money). But I have come to expect such from the the Mental Giants at PWI.
I am sure we all remember the last expansion and all the hype, quickly followed by the the truth that unless you hocked your house and your wife to pay for cash shop items to build up your gear, and were level 80 the new expansion was useless. Now we are given genies and "you can get them at at Level 1" failing to mention the fact, you at level 1 could no more afford to feed the damn thing , much less buy any equips for it.

Next thing will be the cash shop item to feed your genie, and the stones or whatever to ensure that you get 10 points ever 10 levels. It's sad really when this game has so much promise of being something else other than a run of the mill Cash sucking WOW clone. PWI's greed and corruption is fast driving the player base away. Their inability or unwillingness to provide truthful information is turn the player base into jaded cynical and vindictive members of the gaming community.

I for one am looking at the door, the misinformation, lack of information, rampant corruption and favortism have me looking to the exit. The only reason I am here now is because my friends are here and I will not leave them without the services of my class, which is needed in every aspect of the game. So before PWI's paid shills and fanboyzs start the flaming.........Don't blame me for pointing out the truth, If it stings and makes you uncomfortable, ask yourself why, if you were doing the right thing it wouldn't hurt.

OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear

You should just quit while you're ahead then, and don't let the door hit you on the way out. It isn't like there aren't other players with clerics on your server.

Vulpix - Lost City

I haven't had to spend a single in game coin, or any real life money on genies yet.

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary

hmm last i checked, i got mines stamina up just fine decomping a few level one pos stones from level 1 gear...

last i checked, i got my refines to +2-3 on gear.. +7 even once, using in game coin.

i think i payed ~44m for my herc and phoenix all together?

not a cent spent, and im maintaining just fine, in fact better off than a majority of players on my server and i didnt waste any irl money.

the fact you can buy gold/cash shop items from other players is almost a gift taken for granted >_>. go away we dont care about your useless opinion, ignorant cleric.

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear

Less QQ moar Pew Pew

Revolte - Heavens Tear

my geenie has one skill that is hitting for around 750ish plus its debuffs

its not that difficult to get food for its stamina just decompose low level stuff

its not an EPIC FAIL because you have more then what you had a couple days ago, the smart thing to do would be to invest the spirit put into it into skills and stats that are worth it. if you dont want to invest in leveling it up then dont use one.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

Ah, the "I'm speaking truth and if you disagree you're a fanboy" strategy. Nice, well done. -_-

Look, I'm not too thrilled with the genie system and don't plan on spending much coin/exp/spirit on it, either. But online games (all of them) are always going to be co-opted by the ugly fact that, hey, they're run by businesses. And businesses, lest we forget, need to make money. What would your vision of a perfect online game be? Are you willing to pay the staggering amounts it would require to run and maintain the servers out of pocket?

The "jaded and cynical" thing is pretty telling, though. Maybe you're right... maybe you're just getting on in levels and the grindfest has left you with a lot of steam to blow off. I can certainly relate. And for the record, I too feel like the whole "WAIT AND SEE LOL" strategy the GMs use on us is more than a little patronizing, and I'd be the first to stand with you in asking for straight answers. But I think you're seeing things that aren't there. You use the terms "greed," "corruption," and "favoritism" - and while I'm sure you have "proof" of every one, I for one don't particularly care. Every game ever has had their share of jaded high-levels scrutinizing everything the company does like a trekkie at the new Star Trek movie. It doesn't mean you're instantly right. Maybe it just means you really do need to consider the door (though I also respect your point about your friends - tbh that's the reason I'm still playing too, but then again that's the reason I started at all).

Anyway, that's all I wanted to say. I'm actually pleased with this expansion for reasons other than the genies (the supply stashes come to mind, although the iron hammer BS is a little annoying), so I'm willing to put up with it not being everything we expected. If you aren't, well, I can respect that... have fun on your next game. :P Just don't go chasing the "perfect MMO." It's not possible... but IMO this game is the closest there is.

Foxx - Heavens Tear

Couldnt agree more with the OP, and the strange thing is the high cost to feed a genie doesnt even translate into cash shop items for PWI. But I guess he's right in assuming such cash shop items are coming.

Good idea ruined by greed.

Briegg - Sanctuary

fail?

yeah okay my genie works fine
and even helps me kill mobs easier

and what did it cost me?
nothing besides a crapload of spirit that i was never gonna use anyways


don't blame the game just because you can't work things properly

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear

i dont understand the op at all, hes just QQing , pay no mind

Revolte - Heavens Tear

" for one am looking at the door, the misinformation, lack of information, rampant corruption and favortism "


I just wanted to state as well that the misinformation is due to either believing something you heard from someone who knows as much as you do, or just twisting words around, there is no lack of information and anyone that keeps an eye on the forums for a long time will tell you that, and if there is a lck of information if its important it will most likely be clarified, just because you havnt seen something being said doesnt mean its never been said all together, the rampant corruption and favortism is all in your head, sorry but it doesnt work that way, if someone gets along better with someone else then you do then they get along better thats all it is, and to be honest id be surprised if you could manage to give an example of any corruption, keep in mind monetary cost does NOT count, because if they dont get paid you dont get anything and considering you dont HAVE to pay real money for ANYTHING in this game just leave that out.

Paladin - Harshlands

I went to the casino today, spent a few coin. Was good fun.

Cat - Heavens Tear

Its not fail for 2 reasons:


1. My genie matches my fashion(thats all that really matters)

2. I been selling all my mirage stones for 75k each b:dirty

I mean common what more could you want lol.

b:victoryb:bye

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear

cat,

Zainzalon - Heavens Tear

Frankly, from what I have seen of these genies, they aren't all that great. Only a handful of skills are effective in PvE. Now those that PvP, these will be their best friends.

There are a couple flaws that would make these genies actually great.

The first is the experience. Now, I, personally, have a lvl 79 genie, but that was from using over 2 million spirit to get it there (and then another mil for figuring the skills, but trial and error there). The genies should be able to gain experience just like a pet would. They could still use the infusing method, but for those that don't want to waste the spirit and exp or decomposing other genies to allow their main to level, it would be a huge plus to them.

The second is the stamina. Having to use Chi Stones just to recover stamina? A simple remedy to that would be to have the stamina recover. Use an attribute to increase the amount of stamina recovered, just like magic is used to increase the magic recovery rate of the genie.

As far as I see, the genie system wasn't thought out that well. Now the rest of the update, the new quest navigation is sweet.

Oh, before I forget. Flames will be used to keep my fireplace going, so keep me warm b:laugh

Zephyrx - Lost City

Falcus - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm a level 75 Cleric on Heavens Tear....

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Well, no point in making you QQ if you don't ever respond.

Good luck in life dude.

P.S. You wasted a ton of time leveling to 75 to quit the game... already. Well sucks I guess

WingedAmeh - Heavens Tear

I agree with the OP. Everyone else just wants to flame the OP, same with anyone who agrees with the OP. In my opinion, everyone else is just too much of a wuss to voice their own opinions. No reason to be scared.

Also, another reason why you idiots **** me off is when you jump on the bandwagon and start the "Less QQ moar pew pew." ****. It's overly annoying. Just like most in modern time...

"People would rather shut down others' opinions and criticism rather than improve upon their flaws by accepting their own."

Zephyrx - Lost City

Zainzalon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

There are a couple flaws that would make these genies actually great.

The first is the experience. Now, I, personally, have a lvl 79 genie, but that was from using over 2 million spirit to get it there (and then another mil for figuring the skills, but trial and error there). The genies should be able to gain experience just like a pet would. They could still use the infusing method, but for those that don't want to waste the spirit and exp or decomposing other genies to allow their main to level, it would be a huge plus to them.

Well its an extra addition to the game... I mean if you compared it to before without genies. It doesn't seem that bad if for no cost at all you could have a level 1 Genie at least helping you. Sure it drains your spirit and EXP like crazy to level it up, but that's always your choice.... It's like choosing to Refine a gear or to socket a gear. I don't see a difference in a genie sucking your Spirit/EXP different from Refining a gear. The only difference is the type of currency you pay, coins/Gold VS Spirit/EXP

The second is the stamina. Having to use Chi Stones just to recover stamina? A simple remedy to that would be to have the stamina recover. Use an attribute to increase the amount of stamina recovered, just like magic is used to increase the magic recovery rate of the genie.

Well, umm.... I actually beg to differ. The system in place allowed Chi Stones to actually have somewhat of a merit in this game and actually makes decomposing gear a viable choice. Before genies, decomposing 2 star equips or 1 star equips for Chi Stones was a joke because it was only used for "Fuel". Now we have a more viable option to burn all our Chi Stones? What's so bad about that? Oh yea, you can't use the stamina skills because you run out of stamina too quickly? I mean... you grinded all your 80+ lvls without stamina... Why can't you just grind them without genies now? And I think you probably won't burn like over 20k stamina in one PvP fight anyhow... So, what's to complain about?

As far as I see, the genie system wasn't thought out that well. Now the rest of the update, the new quest navigation is sweet.

Oh, before I forget. Flames will be used to keep my fireplace going, so keep me warm b:laugh

I beg to differ, I don't see your point

Torinchibi - Lost City

I am only disappointed that genies don't get xp as you grind...That was going to be my motivation to grind. I bet it sucks even more for ppl that are under 90 as they can't even level their genie because it will **** their spirit which they need to max their skills. Maybe not everyone is like me and maxed every skill ending up with 0sp at 88, but what I did shows that you can't really level genies unless you leave out some of your skills. That's pretty bad imo, they should be getting xp proportional to your gained xp like pets.

prodaja

Gennies are OPTIONAL. If u dont like them, dont take them, dont level them!

Foxx - Heavens Tear

Briegg - Sanctuary wrote: »

...and even helps me kill mobs easier

and what did it cost me?
nothing besides a crapload of spirit that i was never gonna use anyways


don't blame the game just because you can't work things properly

If you think you're getting value (or that its "costing you nothing".... lol) by paying to feed your genie for grinding, its you who haven't worked things out properly.
On HT the stones sell for about 5 coins per point of stamina. If you are smart you can make them for about 2 coins per stamina. So for an average 300 stamina spell thats costing you 600-1500 coins per cast.
Cast a couple of times per mob, and thats probably more than you'll get for drop average. Then unless you're a veno your paying for repairs or ammo... well you (should) get the picture.

Good luck buying your spells at next level.

rukhmath

I would be so freakin happy if they came out with a cash shop item to ensure +10 every 10 levels.

I went nutz trying to make a genie 70/90.

StormHydra - Sanctuary

the misinformation, lack of information, rampant corruption and favortism

Whoa whoa. Okok
For the information bit, the PWI people just put out a teeny weeny bit of information about the genies, but leave out the flaws and "money making" parts of the genie which are bad for us but good for them. It just makes it seem really good so everyone will get one. And now that youve got one your gonna have to pay money... yeah. thats it. So yes, it is a lack of information I guess, but the lack of information is part of modern corporate life (which i happen to hate)

You have to remember that Perfect World is not just a game, its a business. Infact, Perfect World was the name for the company. This is exactly what every single company is like, tell the public only the good parts about something.

Corruption, I guess every single company is corrupt. They want to squeeze money out of every single person they make contact with, hence all the "conditions apply" **** on ads and commercials.
Favouritism...Huh? Favouritism to who? Explain please.....=S

I agree with the OP. Everyone else just wants to flame the OP, same with anyone who agrees with the OP. In my opinion, everyone else is just too much of a wuss to voice their own opinions. No reason to be scared.

Also, another reason why you idiots **** me off is when you jump on the bandwagon and start the "Less QQ moar pew pew." ****. It's overly annoying. Just like most in modern time...

"People would rather shut down others' opinions and criticism rather than improve upon their flaws by accepting their own."

One of the best things i read in a while.
People are starting to flame the flamers now. Whenever someone says something bad about anything in the game its always half the thread ruined by stupid idiots yelling QQ moar, and they actually look more like trolls than the OP. Just shut the hell up. God dmn in-crowders...

And shut up with the "if you dont like it you can leave" **** as well. This doesnt help anything at all. The OP is just saying that he might leave, but is suggesting something. (yes its a complaint, but its a persons right to complain)
This is like the WW2 **** or something. Someone in the army complains about something and they get shot-.-

Gennies are OPTIONAL. If u dont like them, dont take them, dont level them!

This is stupid. Everyone else is going to get genies so if you dont get a genie you are at a big disadvantage, so youre basically forced to get a genie or take it the hard way.

rukhmath

StormHydra - Sanctuary wrote: »

Everyone else is going to get genies so if you dont get a genie you are at a big disadvantage, so youre basically forced to get a genie or take it the hard way.

This quote basically explains why the OP should indeed stfu.

Natural selection here as is in life. Everyone gonna get one, everyone gonna evolve.

You don't.....you're pre-historic and soon to be extinct.

Can't afford to play the game pro, by splurging cash? Play the game smart like some of the ppl here who have uber stuff without spending a single cent in rl.
Don't have the patience or determination to do so? Then the problem is with you.
Not with the game, not with the system,not with the patches, not with the additions,............you!

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary

rukhmath wrote: »

This quote basically explains why the OP should indeed stfu.

Natural selection here as is in life. Everyone gonna get one, everyone gonna evolve.

You don't.....you're pre-historic and soon to be extinct.

Can't afford to play the game pro, by splurging cash? Play the game smart like some of the ppl here who have uber stuff without spending a single cent in rl.
Don't have the patience or determination to do so? Then the problem is with you.
Not with the game, not with the system,not with the patches, not with the additions,............you!

someones got it right!

OP is an idiot making stuff up, none of that **** is even in the cash shop, has anyone even seen info about it anywhereto confirm his BSing?

Xenaaah - Heavens Tear

I really don't like the genies that much. They're ok. I feel that pvp and classes like archers,wizards and clerics benefit from them more. Yeah people can have their say. The genies aren't all that! Some people like them. Some don't. I get tired of hearing "STFU" or fine leave or re-roll so and so. Well it don't matter the genies are here. If you don't like them don't get one but people are allowed to have their say. b:victoryb:bye

nocturnalbastard

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »

not a cent spent, and im maintaining just fine, in fact better off than a majority of players on my server and i didnt waste any irl money.

Well, it's not really wasting IRL money if you choose to spend it.

You can farm for an hour and make what, 300-500k maybe? That's an hour spent making $5... do that for four hours a day? Some people just don't like to farm mats to make money. It doesn't make them better or worse, to be honest.

I usually farm mid-mats for at least a few hours a week. Sometimes I'd rather not waste my time running around in circles. I've cash shopped some... my initial flying mount, my land mount... and in between every now and then, and every time I see the value of gold hit highs I'm tempted, but I have no problem spending some money when I don't feel like wasting my time farming when I could spend that time making real money and just cashing in. lol

To each, their own really. If you don't ever spend a real cent in the game, good for you, but even if you choose to, for most people it's still cheap entertainment and a lot of us are used to paying for software one way or another.

Zerza - Harshlands

The only people that hate genies seem to be on PVE servers.. Genies are not a care bears friend, the genie has the ability to balance pvp situations. If you dont pvp, then dont use it. Cuz YES, its a waste for PVE servers.

This game is focused on PVP,, those of you on PVE servers are missing half the game already b:chuckle

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary

Zerza - Harshlands wrote: »

The only people that hate genies seem to be on PVE servers.. Genies are not a care bears friend, the genie has the ability to balance pvp situations. If you dont pvp, then dont use it. Cuz YES, its a waste for PVE servers.

This game is focused on PVP,, those of you on PVE servers are missing half the game already b:chuckle

wrong, i have 4 different debuffs on my genie along with my own to make me a boss **** machine

RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary

Zerza - Harshlands wrote: »

The only people that hate genies seem to be on PVE servers.. Genies are not a care bears friend, the genie has the ability to balance pvp situations. If you dont pvp, then dont use it. Cuz YES, its a waste for PVE servers.

This game is focused on PVP,, those of you on PVE servers are missing half the game already b:chuckle

Last time I checked, PvE servers had PK-enable and Territory Wars. Only difference for PvP is PK is enabled constantly after level 30.

Those of you on PvE servers: Its not necessary to get Genies, for your survival or gameplay.

Those of you on PvE that PK or participate in TW, or on PvP servers: Its not necessary for you to get Genies either. But it does uphold your advantage against others.

LVLs 80+ benefit most from Genies right now, because we have so much spirit to burn and can easily grind for coin/drops to decompose. We already grind 95% of the time anyway, so it doesnt really affect us.

I feel bad for the lower levels, who already struggle to divide their Spirit and Coin....

I do agree that the individuals running this version should at least give advance in depth information regarding the Genie System, not just a skeletal outline, and leave the rest up for trial and error, some errors cannot be made up for. They have been telling us for weeks about Genies coming soon, so they had plenty of opportunity to translate information from the other versions into English and post the information on the website/forum.

That, Im afraid, was an epic fail on their behalf. And they should own up to it.

And the others are right. Perfect World is a company first. They need to make money to upkeep the servers, pay their developers and moderators, advertisement. Perfect World International is still a baby in the online game world. Dont expect it to be flawless. Mistakes are made, fumbles are done. Just try to be patient, enjoy the game, and ignore those that flame you and call you a NOOB or to stop your QQing.

Hang in there. b:pleased

Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear

While I agree that the genies are strickly useful for PvP, and otherwise just a trap to utterly destroy the EXP, Spirit, and Coin of the new players who do not realize the value of those things, I do not feel we were ever given any "false information" regarding them. I read a lot of what the GM's told us and I cannot recall a single thing they said that was false or misleading TBH. If you thought that they were going to be something different those expectations were formed by you not given to you by them.

That said, the GM's and staff here are not the ones who design this stuff to begin with so laying the blame at their feet is a bit unfair. That would be like blaming your Car Mechanic for something the Car Company did wrong. The staff here just does what they can to fix the problems that they inherit.

This patch did bring some AWESOME changes to the Quest system and some very appreciated fixes if not all the fixes we may have wanted. All in all it was a great patch even if Genies are not really useful. The great thing about Genies is...You can ignore them. They are not worth caring about, so just do not worry about them and problem is solved. If they actually become good later then get them later, you will have more resources to throw at them by then anyway.

I think that in the big picture this game does a good job of balancing their need for income to keep the servers going with in-game means to be successful and just do not feel your dark sentiments...I would say that Gold is expensive to buy in-game and some things are hard to live without (like Expanded Inventories and Flying Mounts) but even if you invest in just a few things now and then you save a LOT of cash vs. paying a monthly subscription if you play this game for a long time.