Fist BM wearing light armor

Arkright - Dreamweaver

Hmm... I'll hit RB pretty soon as well. Does anyone allow fist BMs into RB? I know they prefer axe for the AOE, but fists have AOE attacks and can switch between the lower level axes for the aoe damage if needed. I prefer fists though, for boss purposes. I heard that there was a time limit on the bosses... There may be purpose for fist bms in there after all.

Level 21
33 str
78 dex

XD

Bloodknight - Harshlands

Well i've looked him up with my barb and i've had a few duel to see how well his build is thought out.

Let me put the several duels in my perspective on what i tried to do to see what is best to try to counter the high evasion and ofcourse fast hits. We decided to leave out genies for the build testing purpose.

My build:
Tank build with capped dex at 60,
Calamity's +5 with two immaculate shards for damage purpose. Two misty forest rings +1 for higher accuracy ( which gave me 1960 accuracy total ). All other gear are molds or TT70 at least +1 a few +2.

All duels fully self buffed including Bloodbath, fully buffed in tiger without BB i have 11900 HP.

First duel i was in tiger form because my i thought my high HP would be his biggest problem. The first duel ended in his favor because i just didn't do enough damage to get him down. The duel ended with my hp 0% and his about 15%.

Second duel i went in DD form and did mindless skill spamming. The duel ended quicker and i had about 20% hp left. because of my high accuracy ( for a barb ) i hit him enough to get him finished. one or two stuns landed and were primarily times after sparks. By using Beastial onslaught ( which decreases evasion ) and penetrate armour spam, i got more hits and alot more damage on his LA gear.

Third duel i went crazy and used -> beastial onslaught -> penetrate armour -> armageddon. The armageddon did hit but wasn't enough to get him down quick enough. Which resulted into me spamming other skills like crazy to recover the hp to damage ratio. If i hit a crit, or even zerk crit on the armageddon he would have been one shotted by it, the armageddon did a little over 50% from his HP. The chances on this are to low to be considered.

Then we just did some toher duels maily for testing purposes. His bow crits me for 2K, and because of his high dex he gets that alot. In DD form with BB on results in 5 hits to kill me. I experimented with switching from tiger to DD and using sunder/invoke to receive less damage or to gain some extra HP. against a fist BM it's not smart because the switch to tiger ->sunder -> switch to DD looses me too much time to effectively DD.

my opinion:

I love his build! i think he made a very fun character to play with and his survival chances are better in most situations ( in PvE ) because of his versatile skills/weapon usage. in plain stand still duels he is a royal pain in the *** to actually kill. In actual free world PK i use ToP, stun and armageddon to one shot him without a crit. If i wear a hp charm he would never get through. The duels lasted longer then 10 seconds so my charm would just tick till i kill him.

Sorry for the long wall of text but i wanted to explain some things in detail like how two misty forest rings would work against his build. Also keep in mind that he IS 5 levels lower then me, and when i checked his gear that he wasn't as good geared as me when it comes to molds/refines/shards. i think the duels would be alot more even when he got his level 80 gear together.

Arkright - Dreamweaver

I'm capping my str at 158 for the TT100 fists, then pouring the rest into dex for crit/acc/eva. There are 30% eva rings in TT, so I'm not worried about the misty rings. XD

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear

I dueled a same level fist BM in Light armor. I had heavy. Roughly same shards and +. He had some great fists I had some great axes. Conversation started cause I was going to make the same fists he had on. But I digress. On to the duel. (it was a awhile ago so I may be leaving out small details)

First duel went like this.

We both use alter marrow physical right before it starts.

He uses shadowless kick canceling my stun. I was like wtf.

He stuns me (roar). Because i'm laughing. (Thought it was great.)

He hits me. But it's not really hurting.

I come out of stun I stun him with roar. I bash away.

I stun him with Drakes Bash. I hit away..he dies.

Second duel.

Alter marrow again.

I stun he cancels. This time I waiting and just hit the button again. He is stunned.

I use drakes bash. He is still stunned. He dies.

Third Duel

Alter marrow again.

We both go for stun. His lands. He beats on me.

Stuns me again with AB. Beats on me.

I come out of stun and stun him. Roar. I beat on him.

I use drakes bash. I spam some skills. He dies.

I lost less then 1/4 life.


Why?? He doesn't have the strength to hurt me in heavy armor.

Each of my blows were devastating.

We talked and both agreed that it was the light armor holding him back. Saw him the other day. He is now back in Heavy armor. Looking tough. Good guy too.

My build is enough str to use my level axes. 36 vitality cap rest into dex.

Oneshotu - Lost City

Kedth - Sanctuary wrote: »

I respect the fact that you want to play an almost "unique" type of BM... the reality is... you're gonna get smoked at higher lvls. Because any decent BM or barb who knows a thing or two is going stun u and reach to melee distance. Trouble. Low vit means low HP, yeah, your crit is higher but you're not an archer who can do unreal damage fast so, they are going to reach to you and that means trouble with LA.

BMs are mob controlling characters who support squads, you stun and make some DD helping the tank and protecting the spell casters, and for that you need HA, as simple as that. That's what i've learned from experience, it doesnt matter your weapon choice, choose the one that fits you and play the game, you like axes/hammers? great, swords/blades? cool, fist like you? nice to me. Each one has its pros. Some are more easy to play and some more tricky, its up to you.... but, LA and that high Dex.... only means trouble for a BM. Thats my experience from playing. You want high dex and crits? play an archer.

Now its your decision, if you want to continue playing that BM, good luck and hope you prove us all wrong.

Take care out there

low vit does not equal low hp...its called refine.

RezzErection - Harshlands

Oneshotu - Lost City wrote: »

low vit does not equal low hp...its called refine.

low vit = low hp
because endgame is the same gear and possibly also the same refines.

RezzErection - Harshlands

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »

We talked and both agreed that it was the light armor holding him back. Saw him the other day. He is now back in Heavy armor. Looking tough. Good guy too.

this is what gives me hope for PWIb:chuckle

Lucifer - Dreamweaver

you dont like axe buildsb:cry there the **** man lol

Pervs - Lost City

RezzErection - Harshlands wrote: »

low vit = low hp
because endgame is the same gear and possibly also the same refines.

Fail. Vitality gives insignificant amounts of hp compared to refines. High refined gears > X amount of points in vit.

_Ghoul_ - Lost City

ok nice debate there i 2 wana we unique so i made a fist barb and when i mean that i have as much vit as normal barbs do put on barbs like 1 1/2vit each lv and 2 dex and str 1 1/2 on i wana have high 2 not die yet i love how fist do as Dps well wish me lucj its a fun play style and it might just work for my barb ol

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear

_Ghoul_ - Lost City wrote: »

ok nice debate there i 2 wana we unique so i made a fist barb and when i mean that i have as much vit as normal barbs do put on barbs like 1 1/2vit each lv and 2 dex and str 1 1/2 on i wana have high 2 not die yet i love how fist do as Dps well wish me lucj its a fun play style and it might just work for my barb ol

sigh .....................

Grammaton - Harshlands

Hello again,

I bring some fresh experience from rebirth gamma quest. Being a fist bm wearing light armor, I wouldnt ever find a squad if I didnt mastered Heavenly Flame (axe skill) and Meteor Rush (spear skill) before. These skills are a must. I eventually found out I was able to use Heavenly Flame and Glacial Spike for debuff the mobs and bosses almost without delay, meanwhile using fast fists for quicker gain of chi.

Speaking about light armor - Ive done 3 rebirth gammas so far, 2 successfully till the end, once to the half of it (cleric died). I have found out that I was ok with my vit 3! during the whole rebirth and I only put on bronze guardian charm when the last boss came. I use no pots or remedies. On double wave I stay with team, spamming aoes to get agro, while on normal wave I run towards incoming mobs and lure them to the aoe pit. In each case I push them with the Meteor inside the aoe pit, stunning them and debuffing.

The build works fine, its the most efficient build Ive seen so far when it comes to fight magic attacking foe.

Also, I love my lvl 80 gold TT gloom bow, when the gloom effect is on and I double spark, my damage goes (nominal - in char screen) up to 7000-12000. Two-shot cleric in light armor possible. The bow is not upgraded yet.

ElMiedo - Heavens Tear

PvP man, PvP! How has it been going in that area?

Grammaton - Harshlands

Hmm, so far it seems that the bow is more useful than fists when fighting higher level spellcasters. Bow, will of bothisatva and holy path. Got lvl 90+ cleric - robe wearer (he was surprised).

But like I said - I am green if it comes to PKing - I dont see any practical reasons why to PK so far and I like the light side. I only go fight when someone of our lowbies is having trouble with some annoying scum. If we are three, we can get one 10 lvl higher bandit, but otherwise its charm-ticking waste of time.

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

RezzErection - Harshlands wrote: »

low vit = low hp
because endgame is the same gear and possibly also the same refines.

Pervs - Lost City wrote: »

Fail. Vitality gives insignificant amounts of hp compared to refines. High refined gears > X amount of points in vit.

endgame wizards have 5 or less vit yet still have 4k+ HP. Majority of Hp comes from refines, shards and armor mods.

Zanget$u - Lost City

well so far im pwning i got 169 kills at lvl 50 with my bm im i wont say my build cuzz i dont want copy cats just know im using light armor, but i wana know how useful a fist user is at higher lvls. right now i pwn anyone at my lvl butt i wana know about later so pleeez reply b:victoryb:victoryb:kissb:dirty

Okeano - Harshlands

Nice necro.

And yes level 50, before anyone even gotten their class-defining 59 skills really mean anything.

Niteshadows - Harshlands

well, as a bm i tried light armor once. it personally didn't suit me because even if i took less magic, what about melee mobs and players? u would take more dmg from them than if u were with heavy armor. tbh, if u want protection from magic, then get a elemental necklace and belt. but ye this is a unique build u got going bro. keep it up.

chaoticshelly

Closed for necro.