Veno's bramble hood got nerfed?! wtf?

AndromedaB - Sanctuary

OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yes, dueling and open PvP are completely different considering you know what you're up against when dueling and in open PvP you get ambushed by rocks falling out of the sky unexpectedly.

definitely a mage

Kuschel - Lost City

tatakairyu wrote: »

Ok, I don't know what level of pvp you're talking about but when you get up there, they aren't all as dumb as you make them out to be.

Lol rebooted my compter on accident yaaaay window's vista updates.

Anywhoodles.

Mid 7x? :x

I'm BloodLusT's noob that likes to go play with the big boys but I'm lowest Lv there.

fuzzles

ThommiX - Lost City wrote: »

I disagree that duels show who is better pvper, most who win in duels cant do it in open pvp. Simply because they dont know how to overcome charms or how to chain their attacks to that 10sec window to kill the enemy. Or they simply lack dmg. If a person can win in duel,he should win in open pvp then too according to your description. However in 90% cases i've met this is never the case.

Exactly. Duels and normal PvP really aren't comparable.

90% of the time, people who win in normal PvP will lose in those duels. It works both ways.

Duels are the most true form of PvP, because they're the fairest. They're not the most useful, they're not the most common, but they're the fairest, and they're good for bragging rights if nothing else.

PvPing in anything except a duel is totally thrown out of whack by charms, pots, ganking, freedom to run into safe zones and just about anything.

Thor - Harshlands

fuzzles wrote: »

Exactly. Duels and normal PvP really aren't comparable.

90% of the time, people who win in normal PvP will lose in those duels. It works both ways.

Duels are the most true form of PvP, because they're the fairest. They're not the most useful, they're not the most common, but they're the fairest, and they're good for bragging rights if nothing else.

PvPing in anything except a duel is totally thrown out of whack by charms, pots, ganking, freedom to run into safe zones and just about anything.

A good duelist can be a horrible open field PvPer and a good open field PvPer can be a horrible duelist.

They require separate skill sets, and different strategies to win.

Zoe - Heavens Tear

The only reason they don't like duels is because they know their characters are patheticly weak so they need to hide behind cash shop items and ganking or they can't hope to ever win a single fight.

"Skillsets" as you said, are actually identical. You just kill either way but can't be as cowardly in a duel. Having done pvp for years I know this as a fact.

Jitora - Lost City

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The only reason they don't like duels is because they know their characters are patheticly weak so they need to hide behind cash shop items and ganking or they can't hope to ever win a single fight.

"Skillsets" as you said, are actually identical. You just kill either way but can't be as cowardly in a duel. Having done pvp for years I know this as a fact.

To be honest...From my experience a barbarian is at a disadvantage in most duels..I mean not to the extent of instant loss..but open PVP isn't even close..because the hardest part about fighting a barb..is breaking the charm.

Sophia - Harshlands

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The only reason they don't like duels is because they know their characters are patheticly weak so they need to hide behind cash shop items and ganking or they can't hope to ever win a single fight.

"Skillsets" as you said, are actually identical. You just kill either way but can't be as cowardly in a duel. Having done pvp for years I know this as a fact.

oooh it's the veno that says you must be able to commit real life murder to pk b:cute
Hi again failure.

People may not like duels coz... DIFFERENT TASTES? yeah that totally means you suck.

Please reply and fail more.

Zoe - Heavens Tear

Jitora - Lost City wrote: »

To be honest...From my experience a barbarian is at a disadvantage in most duels..I mean not to the extent of instant loss..but open PVP isn't even close..because the hardest part about fighting a barb..is breaking the charm.

Exactly my point. You admit to needing to hide behind cash shop items. In a duel, skill is required. Well, more than in open pk at least because you actually have to manage your hp and can't have someone help you win the fight, nor can you attack them when they are not prepared. Pvp is about proving who is better. That can only be done when both players are fully prepared for the fight and on as equal ground as possible, which is a duel, not pk.

Lessie - Lost City

Sophia - Harshlands wrote: »

oooh it's the veno that says you must be able to commit real life murder to pk b:cute
Hi again failure.

People may not like duels coz... DIFFERENT TASTES? yeah that totally means you suck.

Please reply and fail more.

pffffft showing zoe's stupidity is my job.
You stole my zoe fails sig b:cry

mbrunestud

some classes capitalize on having the initiative, on having range to play with. duels don't always allow for that.

Zoe - Heavens Tear

mbrunestud wrote: »

some classes capitalize on having the initiative, on having range to play with. duels don't always allow for that.

Exactly. In duels no class has the advantage. This makes it a more true test of skill.

Sophia - Harshlands

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Exactly. In duels no class has the advantage. This makes it a more true test of skill.

No class advantage makes it pure skill? ... basically no range for all the squishy classes that depend on range, just to give an example

As expected from the failure veno of HT.

Xenesis - Lost City

Lol... duels are just useless

MentalEdge - Heavens Tear

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Exactly. In duels no class has the advantage. This makes it a more true test of skill.

Just....omg

Yuvorok - Sanctuary

Look, it's funny that veno's get these pets that deal so much damage you can't do ****. I mean, I dueled a lvl 70 veno at lvl 70 without pheonix and she got owned. She didn't have the hp she was a pure. Then, I had her come back with a pheonix and destroyed me in 2.2 secs. LA wizards can't even defend themselves? I don't think they should take the bramble away or anything like that. The only thing they need to fix is on how to balance the game. I mean, even when I was pure, that was 1.1 secs lmao but, you just have to be smart about this. I.E, wizards, pheonix to KB the pet then sutra their ****. Not hard unless the veno has like 4.9k hp. Which in my own terms is very dumb cause your magic attack already sucks then you make it suck more? Not getting in an argument but that will take you longer to quest lol. I'm just sick of the phoenix doing something like 1.5-1.9k damage. I mean, you can't do **** as a wizard. I think wizards get hit the hardest cause we can't even own clerics until lvl 79. All you others hp for barbs, stuns for BM's, pet's for veno's and the archer skills that stun you and own you. I'm not whining or anything I don't like to see that bramble taken away but it's ridiculus hp loss for that pet. But, I would just like to see this game balanced out that's all cause it would be really fun if it was a game of chance lmao. You don't know who wins lol. Well that's it. Respond to however you do I don't care.

OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear

Yuv, please don't necro dead threads.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear

This was a long time coming, The simple fact 1 single person claimed the nix to be over powerd, which became hundreds before you know it the venomancer is over powered.

Venos are the best PvE class they should not dominate PvP.

If you played this game to be the best at PvE good for you play Venomancer or cleric

If you played this game to be the best at PvP whatever go any class.

But if you honestly believe that you can dominate the PvP and PvE at the same time with a bug which for some reason you believe is justified by paying $200 then you need to rethink It over, they can nerf the veno as much as they want.

The veno dominates PvE and always will, they are known as the best solo class and that is what they will do best always be the best at it.

The reason they nerf venomancers, In PvP is that is PK even duels should be a fun experience for everyone not 1 dominant class.

You are playing this game for free and should be greatful for that. If they nerf the cleric then so be it. I know how to play a cleric and I know how to play it well.

If you know how to play your class then you won't need a bug in order to beat people.

For all you people that will QUIT the game because of this nerfing is not a valid reason,

as for bramble hood getting nerfed b:shocked just leave us clerics alone b:surrender

Maiya - Lost City

There's a future genie skill that will be useable by BMs and Barbs. Reflect magic back. Dunno if this will work in PvP or not, but if magic can be reflected, why can't phys damage?

KaimerasPain - Heavens Tear

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

too bad you've never been white named, and winning in a duel doesn't mean ****. make another shop please, i like buying your unimaginably under priced items and reselling for the real street value.

ur kinda a dik huh? Just figured I would point that out, but I figure ur a egotistical prik too, so no point in discussing it, we'll just go ahead and say its a fact.... continue ur childish BS, u have my permission b:chuckle... No wonder she wanted to get away from u... lol

Kaimera-b:shocked

Chaotiic - Lost City

VENOS WERE NOT NERFED

BRAMBLE HOOD STILL DOES 75% DAMAGE REDUCTION BUT DOES NOT NOW AND NEVER DID DO 200% DAMAGE BACK IN PVP SAME WAY KNOCKBACKS DONT WORK IN PVP

Thanks for listening tune in next time

/THREAD

OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear

Chaotiic - Lost City wrote: »

VENOS WERE NOT NERFED

BRAMBLE HOOD STILL DOES 75% DAMAGE REDUCTION BUT DOES NOT NOW AND NEVER DID DO 200% DAMAGE BACK IN PVP SAME WAY KNOCKBACKS DONT WORK IN PVP

Thanks for listening tune in next time

/THREAD

So what? Someone necro'd the thread earlier today due to something other than that.

Nightfaii - Harshlands

i just found this out today, thx pw! now u have made up my mind. Im going to aion when it comes out. thats just crazy. im so pissed.

davijohans

Nightfaii - Harshlands wrote: »

i just found this out today, thx pw! now u have made up my mind. Im going to aion when it comes out. thats just crazy. im so pissed.

ur so pissed?? LOL a smart veno will use the bleedbug and PWN (not own, PWN!) every other class pvp build. no to mantion its a ruler of pvE and its MONTHES after u got narfed. (apperently not eanugh to eaven venoms to all of us mortals).
i suggest this: dun narf the nix bug, let it be, but let us noobs BUY some 200$ ace to make things even.

WHY I NEVER SAW A GM REPLAYS TO NON OF THIS TOPICE???

p.s the genies wont help, it only means that the heals give us 5 more seconds be4 the veno catch up were not dead yet than reuse the bleedbug.


>>>>FLAMES? b:angry bring it on <<<<

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary

YO DONT BUMP STUPID THREADS FOR RIDICULOUS GARBAGE IDIOTS.

myfreakingod...

Inias - Heavens Tear

QQ QQ ^_^

stop nerfing and give all other classes 200$ skills ^_^

QQ

Flauschkatze - Heavens Tear

stop necroing threads if you don't add any information

Inias - Heavens Tear

i'll add a bit of information then ^^

people are not complaining about veno skills , veno's skills are normal and fine

IT'S THE DAMN PHEONIX

and it's not the pheonix itselve ,

IT'S THE DARN FACT THAT OTHER CLASSES DON'T HAVE PHEONIX LOOKALIKE


ty for your attention

Flauschkatze - Heavens Tear

that's not what this thread is about.. >.>

Pandaberr - Lost City

Hood is easy to counter for me. Invoke the Spirit + Genie Amp. And Hood was nerfed before the genies, like others mention...

Aesthor - Heavens Tear

Necro more please

Venos cry more please

I mean geezus, I've always been a supporter of fix flesh ream and buff the venos but WOW you guys complain too much. Can we just remove nixes entirely from the game AND nerf venos now?