Veno's bramble hood got nerfed?! wtf?

Xdmghyper - Lost City
Xdmghyper - Lost City Posts: 207 Arc User
edited May 2009 in General Discussion
just to let u all know that bramble hood's 200% dmg deflect only works for duels now, it doesnt work outside of it anymore. i already tested it, can a gm tell me why is this skill nerfed? b:surrenderb:shutupb:sad
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  • Ren - Lost City
    Ren - Lost City Posts: 355 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    It was nerfed a very long time ago, it only works in duels and TW. Which is absurd. You don't compensate for a 5 year old bleed "bug" by gimping fox's most important anti-melee skill. Btw, the 60% bramble doesnt work either - thats what REALLY screws us over, no point in even buffing in pvp anymore.

    Why was it nerfed? Because the gms foolishly listen to the crying of every cash shopper, yet ignore the outcries of the rest of us who don't spend $1000/month.
    Like changing cube costs for Deity.
    Not deleting Yoshiki's bow gained by someone using guard bug to instantly kill harpy wraith.
    Not undoing the gold trades that were sold at absurd prices during the rose exploit.
    Not rolling back after the halloween exploit.

    I'm sure I can name more.
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  • Daji - Heavens Tear
    Daji - Heavens Tear Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Xdmghyper - Lost City wrote: »
    just to let u all know that bramble hood's 200% dmg deflect only works for duels now, it doesnt work outside of it anymore. i already tested it, can a gm tell me why is this skill nerfed? b:surrenderb:shutupb:sad

    Bramble and hook dont work in open pvp anymore just like cleric plume shell only absort physical attack damage. Phoenix damage will be nerf too in pvp. Guess lots of veno with phoenix in pvp server will leave the game.

    Beware, if they do what CN PW doing. Veno will get nerf really hard for coming patch.
  • Daji - Heavens Tear
    Daji - Heavens Tear Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Ren - Lost City wrote: »
    It was nerfed a very long time ago, it only works in duels and TW. Which is absurd. You don't compensate for a 5 year old bleed "bug" by gimping fox's most important anti-melee skill. Btw, the 60% bramble doesnt work either - thats what REALLY screws us over, no point in even buffing in pvp anymore.

    Why was it nerfed? Because the gms foolishly listen to the crying of every cash shopper, yet ignore the outcries of the rest of us who don't spend $1000/month.
    Like changing cube costs for Deity.
    Not deleting Yoshiki's bow gained by someone using guard bug to instantly kill harpy wraith.
    Not undoing the gold trades that were sold at absurd prices during the rose exploit.
    Not rolling back after the halloween exploit.

    I'm sure I can name more.

    This remind me of a patch in CN. They make bramble refect any physical attach including archer. You can imagine the outcry of archer b:chuckle but they have it back to normal in a week tho. Needless to say, no archer in TW b:surrender
  • Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear
    Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear Posts: 802 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Daji - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Bramble and hook dont work in open pvp anymore just like cleric plume shell only absort physical attack damage. Phoenix damage will be nerf too in pvp. Guess lots of veno with phoenix in pvp server will leave the game.

    Beware, if they do what CN PW doing. Veno will get nerf really hard for coming patch.


    I guess I need to start looking for another new game to play. It is too bad too, I was really starting to enjoy this one.

    Pretty much every game I've ever played, sooner or later the cry babies on the forums finally get their way, and get other classes nerfed. It is like it's a power trip to get GM's to change the game because they kicked and screamed like a spoiled child in a Walmart Toy Department screaming for their parents to buy them something.

    A few years back in another game I've played this same thing happened and a couple clases got nerfed, then the next year another class got nerfed, and over and over classes kept getting the nerf bat. Eventually the game lost the majority of it's player base. It was all because of idiots whining on forums until they got their way. Now that the game only has a fraction of it's player base anymore, the whiners complain about the servers being dead, and how there is nobody to pvp against anymore.

    When it is all said and done, these whiners who are the minority, themselves ruin the game for everyone else, who is the vast majority. And after they have nobody left to upset because many people left the game due to nerfs. They whine on the forums about how the game now sucks, that nobody plays it anymore. And how there is nobody to pvp against anymore, because the game eroded due to constant nerfs pissing off the player base over the years.

    These malcontents who just whine and complain about things day in and day out, only ruin things for everyone. And eventually ruin it for themselves in the long run. The sadest thing about it all is, these game companies after being bombarded with all these complaints by a few, buckle and ruin the game for the many.
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  • Ayano-chan - Sanctuary
    Ayano-chan - Sanctuary Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    "We want no usage of pots while grinding,we want solo TT,we want faster lvling than any1 else,we want to kill ppl in pvp while standing 30-40 meters away and not doing anything while our flaming chicken AI kills any1 but bms/barbs in 5-10 secs,we don't need more atack we need more protection skills that give us enough time for our chicken to kill 2-3 ppl till it wears off,and we want to nulify all our possible vulnerable spots by having physical users,mainly HA meeles kill themselfs when they hit us because chicken can't harm those that much alone,so we actually need to atack ourselfs and risk our little fluffy a$$. Yes we want supremacy over all if you take away our godliness then we quit."
    Aren't YOU being a little selfish here?b:thanks
  • Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear
    Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear Posts: 802 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Ayano-chan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    "We want no usage of pots while grinding,we want solo TT,we want faster lvling than any1 else,we want to kill ppl in pvp while standing 30-40 meters away and not doing anything while our flaming chicken AI kills any1 but bms/barbs in 5-10 secs,we don't need more atack we need more protection skills that give us enough time for our chicken to kill 2-3 ppl till it wears off,and we want to nulify all our possible vulnerable spots by having physical users,mainly HA meeles kill themselfs when they hit us because chicken can't harm those that much alone,so we actually need to atack ourselfs and risk our little fluffy a$$. Yes we want supremacy over all if you take away our godliness then we quit."
    Aren't YOU being a little selfish here?b:thanks

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  • scionofchaos
    scionofchaos Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Man does it ever end?

    when the game dies
    Do not walk behind me, I will not lead
    Do not walk in front of me, I will not follow
    Do not walk beside me, This twisted road I must walk alone
  • Maiya - Lost City
    Maiya - Lost City Posts: 2,686 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I think I actually had a Blademaster or Barbarian kill me with Bramble Hood a long time ago when I had **** HP and **** defense. Q_Q now. Lol

    There go the plans of trying to kill a guard. :( We could at least have gotten an update on it like in the patch notes or something. So we didn't experience it first hand in open PvP. And indeed if Phoenix does get nerfed. Then Bramble should be reverted back to its normal form.
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  • Ren - Lost City
    Ren - Lost City Posts: 355 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    With bramble not working in pvp, the skill is so useless they might as well just delete it... so stupid
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    Zoe is so full of it, that he must be Karmelia.
  • Maiya - Lost City
    Maiya - Lost City Posts: 2,686 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Ren - Lost City wrote: »
    With bramble not working in pvp, the skill is so useless they might as well just delete it... so stupid

    I have to agree with you. The only people who would benefit from it are melee classes in PvE. A buff should be useful to all users, not a select few (especially if it can be casted on others). The majority of venomancers use a pet that takes the melee damage for them. There is no use of a 60% reflect on a venomancer that takes no melee damage.

    Venos essentially spent 560800 coins to get a 75% reduction for 15 seconds. Oh wait, its not like that money matters much because all venos are rich. *SARCASM*
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  • TigerLily - Lost City
    TigerLily - Lost City Posts: 1,209 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Bramble hood never worked in pvp guess why zzzzzzzz
    A return 200% of mele dmg would be so OP it would be insane. Every mele class that hit a veno in pk with bramble up would pretty much die instantly b:bye

    So no its not "nerfed" its always been like that b/c bramble hood working in pvp same way as in pve would be ****. And it still works as in u get 75% dmg reduction for 15 sec.
  • ElMieda - Heavens Tear
    ElMieda - Heavens Tear Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Wait a minute....Bramble Guard isn't working either?
  • dekciw
    dekciw Posts: 954 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

    So no its not "nerfed" its always been like that b/c bramble hood working in pvp same way as in pve would be ****. And it still works as in u get 75% dmg reduction for 15 sec.

    Quoted for truth.
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  • Asgenar - Lost City
    Asgenar - Lost City Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    omg, my knockback doesn't work in pvp, it's so useless!
  • Jrudora - Lost City
    Jrudora - Lost City Posts: 445 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Maiya - Lost City wrote: »
    I have to agree with you. The only people who would benefit from it are melee classes in PvE. A buff should be useful to all users, not a select few (especially if it can be casted on others). The majority of venomancers use a pet that takes the melee damage for them. There is no use of a 60% reflect on a venomancer that takes no melee damage.

    Venos essentially spent 560800 coins to get a 75% reduction for 15 seconds. Oh wait, its not like that money matters much because all venos are rich. *SARCASM*

    =( Frostblade should be useful to all users, not a select few (especially if it can be casted on others). Clerics, Venomancers, AND mages do not benefit from FrostBlade, and we're not sure if it even works at the moment.
    The majority of wizards wouldn't try and attack mobs using their melee attacks...
    There is no use of a +% damage on a wizard that doesn't attack other mobs/players physically.

    To level Frostblade to level 10 would cost a wizard 400,000 gold or so.

    See the problem? :)
  • p3nnstate
    p3nnstate Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »
    Bramble hood never worked in pvp guess why zzzzzzzz
    A return 200% of mele dmg would be so OP it would be insane. Every mele class that hit a veno in pk with bramble up would pretty much die instantly b:bye

    So no its not "nerfed" its always been like that b/c bramble hood working in pvp same way as in pve would be ****. And it still works as in u get 75% dmg reduction for 15 sec.

    *edit* "omg my knockback doesnt work" beautiful m8

    game point and match.

    O and about how nerfing this kills the game user base and you quitting? Wow who would give two **** about any of you veno's quitting over anything, 2 more players of whatever class will take your place. This game isnt going anywhere, omg blah blah nerfing blah blah...if the GM's think something is necessary then they do it. If any one of you are so wise, im sure you can change the world, but not PW get over it.

    I hope you get nerfed to the point you cant even solo, that would be hilarious. You would leave but new players starting as a veno won't know about it till its to late.

    I Love these threads...life isnt fair, if you don't like it, GTFO. (take that in whatever way you want)

    BTW i am an archer and apparently we feed PW so im good. HAHA
    Let me heat you up
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  • Maiya - Lost City
    Maiya - Lost City Posts: 2,686 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Jrudora - Lost City wrote: »
    =( Frostblade should be useful to all users, not a select few (especially if it can be casted on others). Clerics, Venomancers, AND mages do not benefit from FrostBlade, and we're not sure if it even works at the moment.
    The majority of wizards wouldn't try and attack mobs using their melee attacks...
    There is no use of a +% damage on a wizard that doesn't attack other mobs/players physically.

    To level Frostblade to level 10 would cost a wizard 400,000 gold or so.

    See the problem? :)

    Is that the skill that adds that water boost? I never really read the skill description so I always assumed it benefited all. How come people still cast it on the magic classes if it doesn't benefit them? o_O
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  • Jeagerjaques - Lost City
    Jeagerjaques - Lost City Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Maiya - Lost City wrote: »
    Is that the skill that adds that water boost? I never really read the skill description so I always assumed it benefited all. How come people still cast it on the magic classes if it doesn't benefit them? o_O

    Well um....don't have an answer to the question, but that skill is like adding elemental attk shards to your weapon. It will increase your physical elemental attack, but not your magic.
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  • Dioica - Sanctuary
    Dioica - Sanctuary Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Xdmghyper - Lost City wrote: »
    just to let u all know that bramble hood's 200% dmg deflect only works for duels now, it doesnt work outside of it anymore. i already tested it, can a gm tell me why is this skill nerfed? b:surrenderb:shutupb:sad

    Do you mean your deflected damage only does 1/4th of 200% or do you mean deflect does no damage in pvp?
  • Evga - Sanctuary
    Evga - Sanctuary Posts: 779 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    so wait let me see if i got this right. the reflect damage is both hood don't work at all in duel or tw? but the 75% reduction still work?
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  • Jrudora - Lost City
    Jrudora - Lost City Posts: 445 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Maiya - Lost City wrote: »
    Is that the skill that adds that water boost? I never really read the skill description so I always assumed it benefited all. How come people still cast it on the magic classes if it doesn't benefit them? o_O

    For the pretty little blue orb effect.
    And mages cast it on themselves for chi.
    That's all.
  • Ren - Lost City
    Ren - Lost City Posts: 355 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Dioica - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Do you mean your deflected damage only does 1/4th of 200% or do you mean deflect does no damage in pvp?

    ABSOLUTELY NO DAMAGE IS EVER REFLECTED IN PVP.
    It works in duels, tw, and vs mobs, which is braindead. It reflects a % of the damage you recieve so obviously, it's reduced.
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  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    p3nnstate wrote: »
    *edit* "omg my knockback doesnt work" beautiful m8

    game point and match.

    O and about how nerfing this kills the game user base and you quitting? Wow who would give two **** about any of you veno's quitting over anything, 2 more players of whatever class will take your place. This game isnt going anywhere, omg blah blah nerfing blah blah...if the GM's think something is necessary then they do it. If any one of you are so wise, im sure you can change the world, but not PW get over it.

    I hope you get nerfed to the point you cant even solo, that would be hilarious. You would leave but new players starting as a veno won't know about it till its to late.

    I Love these threads...life isnt fair, if you don't like it, GTFO. (take that in whatever way you want)

    BTW i am an archer and apparently we feed PW so im good. HAHA
    Your attitude makes the point for itself. Lets reverse your own words. I hope archers get nerfed so bad they all just leave the game. Ow, hurts don't it? Grow up, all classes are needed. nerf venos and have fun trying to get your FB69's and above bosses w/o getting your asses handed to you w/o a Veno to pull them and risk dieing so you can get your little quests done..

    OHHHHHH that hadda hurt.

    ~S
  • Evga - Sanctuary
    Evga - Sanctuary Posts: 779 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Ren - Lost City wrote: »
    ABSOLUTELY NO DAMAGE IS EVER REFLECTED IN PVP.
    It works in duels, tw, and vs mobs, which is braindead. It reflects a % of the damage you recieve so obviously, it's reduced.

    oh pvp, oh well, i never pvp :P if they remove this from TW then i'll be **** :P
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  • fuzzles
    fuzzles Posts: 628 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Nix is getting nerfed in future? Sweet.

    If any venos actually quit because of this, then they must be some of the most phenomenally incompetent venos ever to tard the place up.

    They'll still be able to compete just fine.
    Everyone here is ridiculously oversensitive.
  • Daji - Heavens Tear
    Daji - Heavens Tear Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Ren - Lost City wrote: »
    With bramble not working in pvp, the skill is so useless they might as well just delete it... so stupid

    They still absort the % of damage indicated but not reflecting the damage back to attacker. Well, half useful
  • Daji - Heavens Tear
    Daji - Heavens Tear Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    fuzzles wrote: »
    Nix is getting nerfed in future? Sweet.

    If any venos actually quit because of this, then they must be some of the most phenomenally incompetent venos ever to tard the place up.

    They'll still be able to compete just fine.

    Sure will on PvP server just like some barb quit after herc.
  • AndromedaB - Sanctuary
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Jrudora - Lost City wrote: »
    For the pretty little blue orb effect.
    And mages cast it on themselves for chi.
    That's all.

    and to look coolb:pleased
  • _Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary
    _Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary Posts: 993 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    If the veno's werent over powered, not so many people would be posting threads about it
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  • ZeroStriker - Lost City
    ZeroStriker - Lost City Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    it doesn't matter that it was nerfed, the major damage reduction is why i use it, have you seen how hard the first boss in the FB39 can hit an arcane veno? it's a life saver in my opinion
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