1 thing straight about cleric stronger than mage

Forp - Heavens Tear

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

/Quote/ Rundora: I like to come to forums and note peoples quotes because It's really cool and fun :-) I also like to go to Mysticlifex's Threads and post my **** because "Im gonna go drink some milk 8-)"

oh Rundora shut your mouth Instead of running around like an Idiot posting your valueless opinions please :-) oh no I said something about clerics being really good all of a sudden you go jumping around like a girl "quote this quote that" "you an idio... oh shut your mouth Rundora. please

/Quote/ Mysticlifex: I like pie someone said the cake was a lie and that made me cry =(


Forums are fun I hope no one takes this personally

I take you as an arrogant, mindless, underage fool. Escort yourself out of the forums.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear

Nah you choose to post and continue this argument, I guess I like to see people express their opinions, Instead of a level 80 coming up and saying "this is better than that debate over"

People throw a pile of **** at me then I'll take that pile of **** and throw it right back because that is just my personality.

Also as for what you said remember this, I don't reframe to "personal" insults I believe that is preschool ****.
What I don't understand is rather than calling me and idiot wouldn't it be better off proving me wrong with facts?
Actaully if someone posts an actual fact about Mages being better than clerics then they will have my respect, I never insulted you at the beginning you insult me and with that said I repeat "throw a pile of **** at me then I'll take that pile of **** and throw it right back"
Let me make a start for you,

Wizards are better than clerics because... (next person post)

Sylvae - Sanctuary

The topic was never about FACs. It was clerics vs. mages, as stated in the title. And by the first few posts, any intelligent reader should also figure out that it is comparing similar build for stats at the same time, otherwise comparing skills like it did is worthless. So full mag cleric vs full mag wizard, or vit cleric vs vit mage.

The first thing to derail this to even including FACs is Rundora's post which is #10. Ever since mid 40s I stopped referring to my cleric as FAC since I leveled my IB and pulled healer duty on most fbs. Started saying assault cleric, attack cleric, or battle cleric since I prefer damage, but understand I can assist over-all party damage more by tossing off heals or using celestial skill buffs to achieve more damage than a simple FAC mentality.

So if you want to talk about FACs, then you are right in that they hold no place in TW, or groups. They are a solo style build, and will out-pve level most if not all builds by virtue of self-buff dmg and solo AoE. Doesn't mean that duo combos or zhen party can't beat them though. A FAC is for solo play, though can sub in for DDs. But if they sub in a cleric, why not take a small hit in damage ability and grab a cleric that did level buffs and revive.

Maybe people saw the phrase attack cleric, mentally added the full before it, and then felt the need to rant and wail about that. Maybe should just switch to full mag builds that prefer damage as assault clerics instead of attack or the more misused FAC to prevent mislabeling. Some kid will whine about yet another new label, but he prolly gets beat on in HS, so it works out.

Forp - Heavens Tear

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Nah you choose to post and continue this argument, I guess I like to see people express their opinions, Instead of a level 80 coming up and saying "this is better than that debate over"

a wizard and a cleric are equal in ability. a cleric is defensive, a wizard is offensive. a cleric has heals, a wizard has attacks. a wizard out damages a cleric. a wizard dominates 3 elements, a cleric dominates 1. a cleric cannot 1 hit a wizard, a wizard can 1 hit a cleric. what are we getting at? the wizard will win if you let them, the cleric will win if you let them. it doesn't matter, it's whoever got the jump on who.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

People throw a pile of **** at me then I'll take that pile of **** and throw it right back because that is just my personality.

what? this doesn't make any sense. explain your logic.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Also as for what you said remember this, I don't reframe to "personal" insults I believe that is preschool ****.

reframe? personal insults? preschool ****? what? you lost me.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What I don't understand is rather than calling me and idiot wouldn't it be better off proving me wrong with facts?

i never called you an idiot, but i could if you want.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Actaully if someone posts an actual fact about Mages being better than clerics then they will have my respect, I never insulted you at the beginning you insult me and with that said I repeat "throw a pile of **** at me then I'll take that pile of **** and throw it right back"

it has been posted that wizards are a great deal stronger, but people only look at ults. let's look at some lower skills here people, clerics only have 1 level 49 attack(wield thunder) and it's not that great. show me facts that a cleric is better. the only thing we got is a physical plume shot and wield thunder. ultimate's aren't there in a 1v1, time to use one is often not given.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Let me make a start for you,

Wizards are better than clerics because... (next person post)

all you've done is "continue the argument", you simple minded hypocrite. be quiet.

Mysticfear - Heavens Tear

"Started saying assault cleric, attack cleric, or battle cleric"
That would be me =D

Mysticfear - Heavens Tear

1) Clerics have Physical and magical damage that's why we pummel mages

2) Don't worry I'm not gonna explain something if you won't listen

3) /Quote/ Forp: I take you as an arrogant, mindless, underage fool. Escort yourself out of the forums. <-- Umm yeah Forp that was unappropiate.

4) You are correct you never called me an idiot you called me a fool - otherwords an idiot

5) We have Razor feathers as well - twice as good as plume

6) Umm look at what this thread is for dude! when I said argument I ment between you and me not between clerics and mages, you simple minded hippo. be quiet

Forp - Heavens Tear

Mysticfear - Heavens Tear wrote: »

1) Clerics have Physical and magical damage that's why we pummel mages

wizards have both physical and magic damage, this isn't exclusive to only priest.

Mysticfear - Heavens Tear wrote: »

2) Don't worry I'm not gonna explain something if you won't listen

i'm listening, explain.

Mysticfear - Heavens Tear wrote: »

3) /Quote/ Forp: I take you as an arrogant, mindless, underage fool. Escort yourself out of the forums. <-- Umm yeah Forp that was unappropiate.

i thought you didn't take insults personally?

Mysticfear - Heavens Tear wrote: »

4) You are correct you never called me an idiot you called me a fool - otherwords an idiot

Definitions of fool on the Web:

# make a fool or dupe of
# fritter: spend frivolously and unwisely; "Fritter away one's inheritance"
# a person who lacks good judgment
# gull: fool or hoax; "The immigrant was duped because he trusted everyone"; "You can't fool me!"
# chump: a person who is gullible and easy to take advantage of
# horse around: indulge in horseplay; "Enough horsing around--let's get back to work!"; "The bored children were fooling about"
# jester: a professional clown employed to entertain a king or nobleman in the Middle Ages

Mysticfear - Heavens Tear wrote: »

5) We have Razor feathers as well - twice as good as plume

and 3x the channeling/casting time. often enough, when faced off against a wizard, you'll just be fow'd out of it.

Mysticfear - Heavens Tear wrote: »

6) Umm look at what this thread is for dude! when I said argument I ment between you and me not between clerics and mages, you simple minded hippo. be quiet

again, what? if you're going to try to mimic me, do it correctly. and, if you're going to whine about what you call an unnecessary insult, don't try to insult me. hypocrite. why don't you just stop posting?

Rundora - Lost City_1243871147

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I take you as an arrogant, mindless, underage fool. Escort yourself out of the forums.

I agree with this person and would also recommend that the OP takes his BS and leave the forums, or even better, the game.

fuzzles

Damn. My post was deleted.

Glad someone quoted it though. I'd feel like it went to waste otherwise. b:heart

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear

roflmfao... you guys are sad

1) Wizards have BT which is half physical - plume shell, no?

2) Basically you wanna diss a cleric i'll diss a mage?

3) I said it was unappropiate - never said i took it personally

4) Fool - *A person who is easy to take advantage of* *A person who lacks good judgement* that would be an idiot

5) So I assume you never used Razor feathers and sleep? - Fail

6) Honestly I don't know what you are complaining about here

Forp - Heavens Tear

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

roflmfao... you guys are sad

how would you know our emotions? we could be as giddy as a bunch of little school girls.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

1) Wizards have BT which is half physical - plume shell, no?

a wizard could cast force of will, a 5 second seal, which will give them enough time to cast blade tempest and release its full fury upon you. they aren't going to use it while you have plume shell out.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

2) Basically you wanna diss a cleric i'll diss a mage?

i'm not "dissing" a cleric, i am a damn cleric you idiot.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

3) I said it was unappropiate - never said i took it personally

you did take it personally, hush.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

4) Fool - *A person who is easy to take advantage of* *A person who lacks good judgement* that would be an idiot

fine fine, so be it. from now on i'll refer to you as an idiot. idiot.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

5) So I assume you never used Razor feathers and sleep? - Fail

why would you waste your sleep for a measly ~1,500 damage? you're just hitting their charm, which, odds are, all they have to do is use fow and blink and its already cooled down.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

6) Honestly I don't know what you are complaining about here

i'm not complaining, you are. now, please, for the love of god, do everybody a favor and shut up.

MoodyFlame - Lost City

So much quotes, So little time
b:bye

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear

LOL now I think about it there are alot of quotes hehe,

forpforpforp

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

forp is right...
wiz has force of will to silence opponents and we also have a sleep spell that is INSTANT! so either works and if you try to sleep a wiz more than likely they are gonna sleep you first. oyasuminasaib:chuckle
i see why forp is in the wiz forums. He supports wizzes. WTG FORPb:victory
cleric can never outdamage a mage and that is a fact of life. i dueled my friend at lvl 51 and i was lvl 40 and i brought his health down by half even though he spammed ironheart before the duel. He was even healing through the duel but i still lost but i kicked butt doing it.

Instead of fighting, lets just team up and call it a day. A lot of wizzes moves really shine with a cleric,like dragons breath. If a cleric heals the wiz can last all day(with MP charms etc)

Kiwi - Harshlands

feather razors is a beast skill. dont hate it.

sleep, debuff, spark, feather razors

bye bye mage b:bye

Astoru - Heavens Tear

Kiwi - Harshlands wrote: »

feather razors is a beast skill. dont hate it.

sleep, debuff, spark, feather razors

bye bye mage b:bye

Eh.......

Right after the sleep is done, most likely you would get sealed. So that wouldn't really work.

Cleric USUALLY beats wizard. By usually I mean 9 times out of 10. But pit a wizard against a BM or Barb, and it'll tick its charm a lot faster than a cleric can.

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

wizard is the most expensive class for a reason. we need all of our skills(some exceptions) if a wizard has a up to date skill set he shouldnt have any trouble especially at lvl 80+ that is where wiz gets really fun to play.
as for outdamaging, pandora a LA wiz did 25,xxx damage at lvl 90. Lets see a LA cleric at lvl 90 beat that lolz

Astoru - Heavens Tear

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

wizard is the most expensive class for a reason. we need all of our skills(some exceptions) if a wizard has a up to date skill set he shouldnt have any trouble especially at lvl 80+ that is where wiz gets really fun to play.
as for outdamaging, pandora a LA wiz did 25,xxx damage at lvl 90. Lets see a LA cleric at lvl 90 beat that lolz

Most expensive? Really?

I don't go through charms NEAR as fast as any other class, whether it be in TT or Zhen parties, and I find saving money isn't much of an issue.

Forp - Heavens Tear

wizards aren't more expensive to play, but their skills surely cost a lot. an ult cost 4,060,000 coin to max. you have 3 of them. and you have a lot of mid-level nukes that fall between that, and important skills that are vital for your survival.

wizards are definitly pricy.

Rinnve - Lost City

Kiwi - Harshlands wrote: »

feather razors is a beast skill. dont hate it.

sleep, debuff, spark, feather razors

bye bye mage b:bye

Lolwut? Maxed razors deals just the same damage as two maxed plume shots - and every decent wizard of +/- same lvl and equipment (I was 70lvl FAC) need at least THREE plume shot (2nd sparked of course). That is without charm, with it on - five. Only when razors crit you can PROBABLY bring down a wizard with one shot. (Or when wiz is full mag with really ****ty equipment, but I do not consider that.)

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary

Rundora - Lost City wrote: »

This is the part where I usually facepalm but to be honest I could see that coming.

The truth does smack most in the face.

Let's take a simple spell...Ironheart. At level 10 it heals 714hp + 30% of your base mAtk.

Need a calculator or does your genius force you to admit that a full Mag cleric will heal more than a non-full Mag cleric?

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

well forp how come clerics are buying fancy stuff with their money, oh wait nvm i figured out why, stupid guild and your damn pricesb:chuckle


but seriously, wiz does more damage than a cleric and FAC heals more just cause of "base magic attack". i wonder if a wiz uses iron heart how much will it heal(heals 25k Hp lolz jk)

samasalao

wow such long topic.

A few things, the one that said that pure magic clerics are sucicde is an idiot, I have 420 magic, 20 vit (bonus included, my base vit is 5), almost 2.7k hp (3.2k if I replace garnets for citrines but I dont wanna xD) and almost 2.7K def (3.6k with golden bell and yes I use robes, steepenwolf is my actual armor) I am VERY hard to kill, my heal is next to almighty, and so is my damage, the monster has to either 1hko me ( and for those that can do it I have gears to prevent them from doing it cough saky with citrines, cough spare gear with +defense +hp and/or citrines cough) or deal really large damage (close to 60% of hp) to stand a chance.

I dont care about pvp at all, but the comparison between wizard and clerics is stupid, wizards has their pros and cons same with clerics, in pve wizards are better DDs because they have access to more elements and can have elemental advantage while the cleric is limited only to wood.

Another thing is the reatrded FAC or any other stupid build, build the damned character the way you want, read the skill description, build the character the way you like, whoever posted that clerics should not be healing is an idiot too.

Understand your place in a party/squad/group, I am 88 and If I go to a FB with a level 60-70 wizie will I DDs while the wizie heal? no, I will heal and the wizie will DDs, if there are more than one cleric in the party, then one of them can too DD, if you are selfish and you dont like to heal (not even yourself ?)and think DD is your thing and you can solo everything, you should not have picked a cleric.

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

i agree with him....

Shano - Lost City

wrong... EP might win in PVP but in normal.. Ep can't outdmg a MG
look here EP are mostly heal based, they don't have much attacks and some attacks require time to cooldown(except plumeshot have fastest cooldown), while mages have tons of attack options + they have more elemental skills unlike Ep only have Metal

Rinnve - Lost City

samasalao wrote: »

you should not have picked a cleric.

DONT. EVER. TELL. ANYONE. WHAT. THEY. MUST. TO. DO. Get it? It's not your squad channel after all.

Shano - Lost City wrote: »

wrong... EP might win in PVP but in normal.. Ep can't outdmg a MG

IT DEPENDS. Cleric can't outdmg a wiz against, say, water mob, especially if wiz have undine strike. No one can, in fact. So archer and veno are not DD anymore? ROFL. Take BM with maxed marrow magical on, what can wiz do if he does not have 2 sparks? Now cleric easily outdamages wizard with just a plumeshot.

Shano - Lost City wrote: »

look here EP are mostly heal based,

Yeah, thats why cleric have wield thunder and tempest. To heal better. Lol. Cleric have MORE attack spells than healing ones. I don't tell you that cleric is not healer, but so don't tell me that "cleric is healing based and is not attacker" sh*t. "Healing-based" char cannot wipe out fb faster than wizard and cannot bring down enemies in pvp in two shots.

Shano - Lost City wrote: »

they don't have much attacks and some attacks require time to cooldown

ROFLMAO. Time to cooldown, what a surprise. You want to tell me that wiz (or any other class) have attacks that do not require cooldown time?

Shano - Lost City wrote: »

while mages have tons of attack options + they have more elemental skills unlike Ep only have Metal

This is not exactly true. There are more attacks, yes. But not THAT more. Wizard cannot spam attacks of some chosen element, except of earth, so in PvE he really outdamages cleric only against metal and water mobs - two of six types. And wiz is totally helpless against magical resistant mobs. In pvp, wider choice of elements is not an advantage at all. What makes wiz POTENTIALLY better dmg dealer in pvp, it is essential sutra for insane spike damage. But in fact it is not about char skills, it is about player skill. Wizard that uses sutra here and there when it is not needed is far worse DD than thinking cleric that wisely uses his debuffs and attacks and shield and whatnot.

Forp - Heavens Tear

rinnve, you're an idiot. relax, k

Rinnve - Lost City

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

rinnve, you're an idiot. relax, k

So you have nothing to say except insults?

Forp - Heavens Tear

correct. replying to your post individually would take too long; i believe i summed it up quite nicely.

Rinnve - Lost City

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

correct. replying to your post individually would take too long; i believe i summed it up quite nicely.

Laaaame excuse. An insult cannot be a constructive answer.