[Guide] Barbarian builds & tips

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  • Axesmasher - Dreamweaver
    Axesmasher - Dreamweaver Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    thats a lot of info..........
  • Black_wolve - Sanctuary
    Black_wolve - Sanctuary Posts: 171 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    When i started this char i had no clue where to put all my point on so here goes my str is 265 my vit 103 dex 70 now this is with wepons armor etc on so then i was told to put more on vit sofor lv 79 am i doing ok or do i have to get a scroll and fix it .
  • rinuruc
    rinuruc Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    of u all highlevel barbs,...
    what phys def do u have max?
    (just something i d want to know,... like how big the difrence is between classes,...)
  • argusdog
    argusdog Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I have a question, and It could just be me. But I noticed as I level up that weapons. Especially hammers take an unusual amount of strength to wield. I often find myself investing a lot of my stats into strength so I can wield the dual hammers I want.

    Should I just focus on leveling up my strength just for my armor since it's considereably lower. And stop focusing on weapons, so I can boos my vitality.
  • digupia
    digupia Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I have a question... u say to mainly focus on the skill like blood bath,pentrate armor,ect..


    But what about lower lvs like my lv 10 shud i get skills like garrot and upgrade beastly hammers?
    or should i just like totally forget about them an save up my spirit for skills like pentrate?
  • brentbest
    brentbest Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    can i learn humanoid and tiger skills both or do i need to choos? im going for a tank just so u now
  • jspj
    jspj Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    nice guide it sure is long gratz o you for that b:victory
  • Kourg - Heavens Tear
    Kourg - Heavens Tear Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    brentbest wrote: »
    can i learn humanoid and tiger skills both or do i need to choos? im going for a tank just so u now

    It is possible yes.. try to focus more on humanoid at first with adding the important tiger-skiils only and then go with the flow..
  • Kourg - Heavens Tear
    Kourg - Heavens Tear Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    digupia wrote: »
    I have a question... u say to mainly focus on the skill like blood bath,pentrate armor,ect..


    But what about lower lvs like my lv 10 shud i get skills like garrot and upgrade beastly hammers?
    or should i just like totally forget about them an save up my spirit for skills like pentrate?

    Garrote NOOO beast hammer NOOOO either!!
    they are uselless skills and not worthy of adding..
    (garotte at 3-4 lvl witch is cheap till then could be usefull in the beggining)
    Mighty swing and penetrate are the 2 most common humanoid skills u will use so try max them both
  • Kourg - Heavens Tear
    Kourg - Heavens Tear Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    argusdog wrote: »
    I have a question, and It could just be me. But I noticed as I level up that weapons. Especially hammers take an unusual amount of strength to wield. I often find myself investing a lot of my stats into strength so I can wield the dual hammers I want.

    Should I just focus on leveling up my strength just for my armor since it's considereably lower. And stop focusing on weapons, so I can boos my vitality.

    The recomendend build of a tank barb is to add the stats at str-dex as so much the weapons and armors need and all other points to go in vitality..
    Although str is stiill important in order to increase your def..
    I suggest mix the 2 things.. (str/vit) with more add in vitality of course
  • brentbest
    brentbest Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    can somene tell me wich humanoid skills to learn cuz till level 59 I ONLY HAVE 3 ATTACKS ( if i follow guild )
  • jytheone
    jytheone Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    erm hi i jus started playing this game .. currently lvl 9 ... funny is i cant learn skills .. it says my spiritual caltivation is not enough ... how do i lvl spiritual caltivation ?
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  • BeastKingAkl - Sanctuary
    BeastKingAkl - Sanctuary Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Hey there, I need some help on my Barbarian account. FIrstly (Main problem,) I Dont know which skills to upgrade first and I need a guide. Ive Upgraded my TigerForm skills mostly because thats usefull for tanking and ive also Upgraded my humanoid skills but now I have 2 and a half pages worth of skills and i can upgraded only 2 or 3. Which one shall I do? Well theres my Problem. >>>( Im planing to be a sage at lvl 89 - just a quick note)b:puzzled
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  • Kronokilller - Sanctuary
    Kronokilller - Sanctuary Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    i think this is soooo much more help ful plus it is so in depth thank u a ton
  • Kronokilller - Sanctuary
    Kronokilller - Sanctuary Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Hey there, I need some help on my Barbarian account. FIrstly (Main problem,) I Dont know which skills to upgrade first and I need a guide. Ive Upgraded my TigerForm skills mostly because thats usefull for tanking and ive also Upgraded my humanoid skills but now I have 2 and a half pages worth of skills and i can upgraded only 2 or 3. Which one shall I do? Well theres my Problem. >>>( Im planing to be a sage at lvl 89 - just a quick note)b:puzzled

    ya i have about 3 in a half pages lol but i am going to stop lvling and lvl my genie at lvl 60 (only one lvl away) personaly i would suggest doing that every 10 lvls...to a certain extent so be careful i do it for the SP gain hope this helped
  • Tigerrawr - Harshlands
    Tigerrawr - Harshlands Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Your saying I don't need mp? I need it... I run out quick and my Stomp of The Beast King is like a x2 attack and it uses like 10 mp or something. other than that, I have too low of Vit and too high of Dex... Str is a bit high too... oh well. I like me :D
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    I would just like to get some stat info. as I got 10 extra poits to use.Vit 29,str64 and dex31.This would be for the tanker.

    I got 5 more points now=15.
    Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.
  • Baalbak - Dreamweaver
    Baalbak - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    I would just like to get some stat info. as I got 10 extra poits to use.Vit 29,str64 and dex31.This would be for the tanker.

    I got 5 more points now=15.

    dunno the level of your barb, but in essence:

    STR = 3 * CHAR LEVEL + 2
    (without gear bonuses - take your gear off to see true stats)

    DEX = enough to wear gear, somewhere around CHAR LEVEL / 2 + 5 (note this is not precise, just an approximation - again without gear bonuses)

    remaining points go to VIT.

    please return to front page and learn everything you need to know - mainly THIS section:
    III. Main Stat Builds of the Barbarian

    NOTE: All builds focus first on fulfilling weapon/armor requirements, then differentiate, based on how you spend the remaining status points.
    • Choose the build best suited for your play style; and there’s no need to follow one build the whole way through.
    • You can try a hybrid build first (to level quickly), then move toward a tank build at higher levels (to survive in dungeons/TW/PVP), and lastly add a little more Dex before you reach max level (for PKing).

    A. Str-Based Damage Dealer
    Armor: Heavy
    VIT = 1 each level
    STR = 3 each level
    DEX = 1 each level

    Comments: Levels quickly at low levels, but the low HP will kill you later. If you’re looking for high damage, you might as well be a Blademaster instead.

    B. Hybrid
    Armor: Light for magic opponents, Heavy for physical opponents
    VIT = 1 each level
    STR = 2.5 each level
    DEX = 1.5 each level
    (or 2 Vit / 5 Str / 3 Dex every two levels)

    Comments: same comments as Build A, except that you will have a decent base accuracy and critical hit rate. Works well in PVP if you go with the Demon path at lv 89. Also, being able to switch from heavy to light armors will allow you to tank magic damage better than Build A. Still not as useful as a tanker build though.

    C. Tanker (Recommended Build)
    Armor: Heavy
    VIT = all points left over
    STR = follow equipment requirements
    DEX = follow equipment requirements

    Notes: Parties and Territory War factions love this type. Great for tanking bosses/mobs and as a catapult puller in TW, but don't expect to kill things as quickly as other classes until you're at a very high level. Once you get Armageddon lv 10 and very high HP, you’ll pwn in PvP, but that’s if you don’t miss. Using Blood Bath helps.

    IV. Equipment

    A. Accuracy Rings and Soul Gems
    • All builds will benefit greatly with the Blood Bath skill lv. 10 (Reduces maximum HP and current HP by 16% to increase accuracy by 200% for 10 minutes) and +50% accuracy rings. Blood Bath easily solves the low accuracy problem. The +50% accuracy rings (can be used at Lv. 77?) are not a necessity, but it helps a lot in PVP at high levels, when you start to miss Archers and Blademasters most of the time.

      A note on the +50% accuracy rings (aka LingYun rings): LingYuns are almost worthless if the base accuracy of a Barbarian isn't at least moderately high. LingYuns don't benefit from Blood Bath at all, which is their biggest downside. However, they become irreplaceable once your Barbarian's base accuracy is high. Also, you won't be able to get these rings until around lv 70; and even then, they are quite expensive and rare.
    • Also, if you get to lv 90, you can replace LingYun rings with HH 90 gold rings (each +30% accuracy and +2 % crit) for more damage. Works best with the Demon path because this path adds more critical hit rate to some skills and +100% more accuracy for Blood Bath.
    • It’s best to slot accuracy gems on your weapons and HP gems for your armors. +Vit and +Dex bonuses are nice too. Some may choose to use Physical/Magic defense gems, but HP gems will make you much more well-rounded, and Armageddon and Beast King's Inspiration are better with higher HP.
    • M.def jewelry to balance out the defenses when using heavy armor is also recommended. Hell, a top Werebeast/Barbarian player in PW-MY, has stated, in his view, that “heavy armor WB with magic defense jewelry is the best most balanced way to equip one's WB.”

    B. Gear Requirements for Axes/Hammers and Heavy Armor:
    lvl str dex excess
    1 5 5 0
    2 6 5 4
    3 8 5 7
    4 9 5 11
    5 12 6 12
    7 16 6 18
    8 16 7 22
    9 20 7 23
    10 20 7 28
    11 24 8 28
    12 28 9 28
    13 33 9 28
    15 40 10 30
    16 44 11 30
    17 48 12 30
    18 52 13 30
    19 56 14 30
    20 60 15 30
    21 65 15 30
    22 66 16 33
    23 70 16 34
    24 74 17 34
    26 79 17 39
    27 83 18 39
    29 90 18 42
    30 92 19 44
    31 95 20 45
    33 100 21 49
    34 104 22 49
    36 107 24 54
    37 110 26 54
    39 120 26 54
    40 120 26 59
    41 125 26 59
    43 129 26 65
    44 134 26 65
    46 137 31 67
    47 143 32 67
    49 151 32 67
    50 151 32 72
    51 155 32 73
    52 160 32 73
    53 160 32 78
    54 164 32 79
    56 169 32 84
    57 173 33 84
    59 181 33 86
    60 182 34 89
    61 185 35 90
    62 185 38 92
    63 189 38 93
    64 194 38 93
    66 198 38 99
    67 203 38 99
    69 212 39 99
    70 212 39 104
    71 215 41 104
    73 220 46 104
    74 224 47 104
    76 232 49 104
    77 236 50 104
    79 246 50 104
    80 246 50 109
    81 246 50 114
    83 252 53 115
    84 256 54 115
    85 261 54 115
    86 263 55 117
    87 267 56 117
    88 272 56 117
    89 277 56 117
    90 277 56 122
    91 277 58 125
    93 281 59 130
    94 285 60 130
    95 290 60 130
    96 294 61 130
    97 298 62 130
    98 303 62 130
    99 308 62 130
    100 308 62 135
    101 308 62 140
    103 309 62 149
    104 314 62 149
    105 314 62 154

    if you don't understand the chart, first column is your CHAR LEVEL, second column is how many points you should have in STR at that level, third column is how many points you should have in DEX at that level - the fourth column is how many points you should have in VIT at that level. Im going to assume you are level 22 since you appear to be wearing some attribute adding gear (the numbers are not even). Would help if you posted in here with your Barb avatar so we could see your level and advise properly.
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  • rathurz
    rathurz Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    This is great help thanks alot :D
  • Coronae - Sanctuary
    Coronae - Sanctuary Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    "A note on the +50% accuracy rings (aka LingYun rings): LingYuns are almost worthless if the base accuracy of a Barbarian isn't at least moderately high."

    Copied the above piece from the guide, post 2.

    What I would like to know is:

    What is "atleast moderately high" accuracy?

    Atm my barb is lvl 62, and I got around 340 accuracy (it seems really low to me). I'm a tank build, following the exact str/dex/hp from the guide, atm that is:

    Str:185
    Hp: 122 (with add-ons)
    Dex: 38

    I'd like to know if this accuracy is normal for my lvl?
    Because like I said, it seems low to me.

    Thanks in advance
  • Black_wolve - Sanctuary
    Black_wolve - Sanctuary Posts: 171 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    lvl str dex excess
    84
    according to the str vit and dex why do barbs need a lot of dex for i was told by many high level barbs that the points main go to str vit dont touch magic and keep dex at 50 this can be done by taking everything off your armor etc so my question is why does a barb need so much dex when they use more vit and str??
  • Endless_life - Harshlands
    Endless_life - Harshlands Posts: 144 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    well im a demon barb i have high dex for acc and crit rate

    304 vit
    280 str
    100 dex

    plus my gear, demon axe mastery, and demon shapeshifting intensity
    i have 20% crit rate
    dex build isnt for everyone

    and not great for sage barbs from what i hear
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  • schizzofrenia
    schizzofrenia Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    my gear, demon axe mastery, and demon shapeshifting intensity
    i have 20% crit rate
    dex build isnt for everyone

    and not great for sage barbs from what i hear


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  • Nexdonum - Lost City
    Nexdonum - Lost City Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    B. Gear Requirements for Axes/Hammers and Heavy Armor:
    lvl str dex excess
    1 5 5 0
    2 6 5 4
    3 8 5 7
    4 9 5 11
    5 12 6 12
    7 16 6 18
    8 16 7 22
    9 20 7 23
    10 20 7 28
    11 24 8 28
    12 28 9 28
    13 33 9 28
    15 40 10 30
    16 44 11 30
    17 48 12 30
    18 52 13 30
    19 56 14 30
    20 60 15 30
    21 65 15 30
    22 66 16 33
    23 70 16 34
    24 74 17 34
    26 79 17 39
    27 83 18 39
    29 90 18 42
    30 92 19 44
    31 95 20 45
    33 100 21 49
    34 104 22 49
    36 107 24 54
    37 110 26 54
    39 120 26 54
    40 120 26 59
    41 125 26 59
    43 129 26 65
    44 134 26 65
    46 137 31 67
    47 143 32 67
    49 151 32 67
    50 151 32 72
    51 155 32 73
    52 160 32 73
    53 160 32 78
    54 164 32 79
    56 169 32 84
    57 173 33 84
    59 181 33 86
    60 182 34 89
    61 185 35 90
    62 185 38 92
    63 189 38 93
    64 194 38 93
    66 198 38 99
    67 203 38 99
    69 212 39 99
    70 212 39 104
    71 215 41 104
    73 220 46 104
    74 224 47 104
    76 232 49 104
    77 236 50 104
    79 246 50 104
    80 246 50 109
    81 246 50 114
    83 252 53 115
    84 256 54 115
    85 261 54 115
    86 263 55 117
    87 267 56 117
    88 272 56 117
    89 277 56 117
    90 277 56 122
    91 277 58 125
    93 281 59 130
    94 285 60 130
    95 290 60 130
    96 294 61 130
    97 298 62 130
    98 303 62 130
    99 308 62 130
    100 308 62 135
    101 308 62 140
    103 309 62 149
    104 314 62 149
    105 314 62 154



    Okay, so is it safe to assume that this is correct, but I would need to (probably obviously) add 5 points per attribute (for the initial 5 points in each stat) to get my correct and current stat allocation? I'm just wondering, as I see for lvl 1 the strength is at 5, dex at 5, and excess (vit) is at 0. Considering you can't make any of the stats at 0, am I correct in assuming +5 per stat would make what your current (and base) stats should be?


    Okay, my barb is lvl 22, with 62 strength, 15 dex, 41 vit, and 7 mag (stupidly put in 2 points here when I started). Is this still a malleable and correctable build for a tanking barb? I've been going through, and trying to find out where I could catch up, and going by the stats of the lvl shown, I could catch up around lvl 25 with 75 str, 17 dex, and 41 vit, but assuming I misread the initial post, I'm wrong with that, and I'm now actually 5 points behind in each attribute. What would I be able to do to rectify this? D:


    Thank you for any/all help in this. I want to have the best possible tank char (even though my tanking skills may need some work b:laugh ) and I strongly believe that stat allocation can possibly make or break your game. Before you flame me on that last bit, yes a strong player can make the most out of most situations, just saying that a properly statted character will do better than a poorly statted character, when you lose all other variables. b:victory
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  • Hazardus - Heavens Tear
    Hazardus - Heavens Tear Posts: 937 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Okay, so is it safe to assume that this is correct, but I would need to (probably obviously) add 5 points per attribute (for the initial 5 points in each stat) to get my correct and current stat allocation? I'm just wondering, as I see for lvl 1 the strength is at 5, dex at 5, and excess (vit) is at 0. Considering you can't make any of the stats at 0, am I correct in assuming +5 per stat would make what your current (and base) stats should be?

    Nope.

    The table shows the stats you need to have at each level.
    Since you never going to add mag that table only lists str and dex requirements with "excess" being points left over which can be added where ever you want.

    You start out at level 1 (there is no level zero b:chuckle) with 5 points in each attribute. So str is 5 dex is 5 (excess 0, you already have 5 in vit and 5 in mag).

    Now you're level2 so you gain 5 attribute points. You add one in str. So str6 dex5 and excess4 which can be dumped into vit or dex or str (upto you, not everyone follows a tank build).

    Personally I dont use any table since I think that table it assumes you will only be using a single weapon type (I think only dual axes?) and even then is inaccurate. For e.g. at lvl 90 (I'm using TT90 dual axes) and I need only 272 str and 49 dex (not 277str and 56 dex).
    Additionally my armour gives me loads of str and dex also, which means that many more points can be spared to vit.

    I suggest using pwidatabase or ecatomb or even the vendor NPCs/forges to check the str/dex requirements for the next set of gears you plan on using and then add and adjust stats accordingly.
    When the going gets tough; Get a tank!
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  • Esteven - Heavens Tear
    Esteven - Heavens Tear Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    For stats I would go the route of 4 vit 5 str and 1 dex every 2 lvls, occasionally throughing in an extra str. Take in account that gear does add stat points at times and you might go down in stat points when replacing gear. If you did make the mistake and added to much to dex, don't worry to much. Just add to str and vit as needed. Make sure the str is high enough then and if so add that extra point from every 2 lvls to vit.

    As for attack skills to get in the lower lvls for a tank set up:
    get atleast lvl 1 for every skill. That way you are not limited too much if you are in human form.

    As for skills to build for a tanker:
    focus on beast king buff, flesh ream, true form, roar, shapeshifting, and beastial rage
    get atleast lvl 1 on other tiger skills and build them as you go occasionally
    build these as you can; Titan, axe and hammery, alancrity (stop at lvl 7),

    Also as you lvl try and raise mighty swing (for stuns), onslaught (for evasion debuff), penetrate armor (lowers def), and slam (aoeing multiple mobs). If you are going the tank route you do not need to lvl these that fast but try to on occasion for when you are grinding alone.
  • GohRaL - Sanctuary
    GohRaL - Sanctuary Posts: 883 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    well im a demon barb i have high dex for acc and crit rate

    304 vit
    280 str
    100 dex

    plus my gear, demon axe mastery, and demon shapeshifting intensity
    i have 20% crit rate
    dex build isnt for everyone

    and not great for sage barbs from what i hear

    b:cutecan i ask u how many HP u have ? and averange refinement level ?

    im really into demon barb and id like to learn from exp player, all the things i got tell till now made me fall in love even more with the demon path


    another thing id like to know is:
    i read that when u get 3rd spark u get another spark skill like, leaving out demon/sage 3 spark release.

    if im not wrong was called like:

    *Master Li* tecnique ( b:puzzled) but i may be wrong
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  • Hazardus - Heavens Tear
    Hazardus - Heavens Tear Posts: 937 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    *Master Li* tecnique ( b:puzzled) but i may be wrong

    Master Li's techniques is a sage skill. Demon skill is called Mo Zun's Taunt. The descriptions as from ecatomb:

    Master Li's Technique (89): Charge and gain 50 Chi instantly.
    Mo Zun's Taunt (89): Stifle the opponent and decrease its Chi by 50.

    Still working on finishing my culti, so going by what I've heard, sages get to have 50 chi every 60sec.
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  • WarTigerZ - Heavens Tear
    WarTigerZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 187 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Hey, If i'm a lvl 26 and want to be a tanker, is 82str 45vit and 17 dex good?
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  • AxEsSsSsRuls - Harshlands
    AxEsSsSsRuls - Harshlands Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    ok im lvl 25 and my stats are: vit-54 str-95 and dex-44...can i be a tank if i take vit all the time?PLS HELP