The concept on the event sounded like a good idea, but basically what is happening "It's not the combat league" it is the "Premade stomp pug event" where all the people with BIS gets rewarded and the lower end players will suffer for it. Nice promotion, just another way to chase people away from PVP.
It is well known that there are people/guilds out there that abuse current bugs so they can get an advantage. By promoting events like these in the current state of PVP is never a good idea, your elite BIS/bug abusing players will gain while everybody else will suffer for it.
Implement a way to separate these type of players in different ques, so that it can be fair for everybody not just the top geared players.
Yeh this event is a big disappointment, I really like pvp and I have a good build with full elemental pvp gear and purple items, but I just cannot have a chance against the premades stomping everyone.
All it means is the people who are already super rich in-game with mythics and bis enchants just get richer.
If this pvp event is any indication of what the pvp in the stronghold defense of next module is going to be like, then it's just going to be the same thing, BIS pvp guilds stomping everyone.
So, in theory, I love the idea of a PvP combat league with interesting new prizes to get some fresh blood into the scene.
In theory.
...
Realistically, all the domination games I've played have been a complete wash one way or the other. I, as a 2.3k DC, can hope to get on the team with all the BiS 4k+ folk instead of the no-tenacity 1.5k PvP virgins. How is this supposed to encourage people to try PvP if their first attempt is getting one-shotted by this, that, or the other thing with 3x their IL? People can tell them to get some basic tenacity gear all they like, but blue tenacity gear isn't going to get anyone anywhere here. Again, we need a tier system now more than ever. Furthermore, I feel PvP needs a tutorial level to teach people what to do...even basic tactics like what capping is. They're not going to figure it out themselves if they go into one of the arenas, get stomped, and never attempt it again because it was a confusing waste of 20 minutes.
Speaking of confusing wastes, I was in one of those mismatched PvPs, me being high IL on the team vs. a bunch of BiS...we fought as well as we could, but none of us had over a thousand points. Finished the match, and got no tokens! What gives? This is another great way to prove to the casuals that PvP is a complete waste of time and effort...put in time and effort and we can't even get the rewards promised to us.
I truly hope they don't separate premade teams from being matched up with random PUG teams. I love dominating weaklings for an easy 12 tokens. xD
You are one of the reasons why people don't play PVP anymore and leave the game because they get nasty experience from it.
So do us all a favor go to you corner and go troll yourself, because you are part of the problem not the solution.
When you are in a match where the victory is a landslide out of your favor, know how to respectfully surrender and ask to score some points so everyone can go home happy. You can pass the time doing 1v1 between the players, learning and teaching others how to do stuff, not trading insults or crying against the opponents. It's the plain basics of sportsmanship. It's not the BiS players fault that they get matched against you, and there are very few like the person some replies above mine who happily stomps non-provoking adversaries that present no real threat or challenge.
When you are in a match where the victory is a landslide out of your favor, know how to respectfully surrender and ask to score some points so everyone can go home happy. You can pass the time doing 1v1 between the players, learning and teaching others how to do stuff, not trading insults or crying against the opponents. It's the plain basics of sportsmanship. It's not the BiS players fault that they get matched against you, and there are very few like the person some replies above mine who happily stomps non-provoking adversaries that present no real threat or challenge.
1.) No one said anything about trading insults or crying. None was done by either party. There was no poor sportsmanship on either team. That was not the point of my post.
2.) I have yet to encounter a 1v1 opportunity that wasn't also a ridiculous mismatch, or wasn't intruded upon by other players, as there are no ways to enforce a 1v1, and some people are just here for the free kills. In fact, as of the league, free kills are exactly what many players are looking for, as such behavior is now rewarded. I was happy enough to run around a bit and try to evade the two enemies chasing me, but they were clearly there to kick my tookus, though I was not attacking nor provoking anything. I have figured out ways to amuse myself sans possible victory...as they say necessity is the mother of invention. And wow, is it necessary. It really SHOULDN'T be necessary, but there you go.
3.) No, it is not their fault for getting matched against us. In fact, they should have engaging and challenging opposition...hence why brackets/tiers are necessary (welcome to part of the point of my former post)!
4.) Hey, look! All of this makes for an unpleasant experience not just on the receiving end of a beat-down, but on the giving end as well (positive player experience is the other half of my post)!
Look, I just want Cryptic/PWE/Whomever to see that league is a good idea, but as it is in it's current condition, it deserves more derision than praise. But the fixes are there, and simple. Check out all of the players who have been playtesting since launch and giving out FREE advice for how to fix bugs, imbalance, and other system issues. It's not all good, it's not all realistic, but hey, gift horses and all. If they could just grab and use that (instead of creating cool new features that will inevitably have the same issues as current ones do), can you imagine what a great game this would be?
If you really play like that in domination pvp, you should stay far far away from it.
P.S as well as your other teambuddies. . .
People need to learn how to play SOMEWHERE. You can't fight a BiS pally in PvE to learn how to deal with one. And if the somewhere is like this, many PvP virgins will be one-and-done.
Tactically, if there's an untouchable pally on a point, you ignore him and move to another point. But sometimes that doesn't work well if all points are guarded. This is another problem with some of the community- you'd rather shame people for not knowing what to do than teach them.
You are one of the reasons why people don't play PVP anymore and leave the game because they get nasty experience from it.
So do us all a favor go to you corner and go troll yourself, because you are part of the problem not the solution.
Hey, i'm just playing the game. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Being BiS is just part of the problem, not the whole of it. It's important to have a top-end environment where all the hard work you've done can show you how much it has paid off.
The bigger problem is how QUICK, we can get there now. What is it? By my estimation 70-80M going from zero to BiS, or 30-40M going from Mod5 status to Mod6 BiS. The proliferation of player botting/exploit farming has lead to relatively cheap market--so that buying is now more time-efficient than doing PvE. On that note, removing most dungeons and the benefit of running said dungeons--not to mention the increased difficulty--just killed off the prospect of getting Best-in-Slot gear naturally.
I remember when it was Mod3 and 4, where I was able to reach that kind of gear-level by fair means. I personally sit around 1 or 2 tiers below best in slot. I just can't stomach the gear divide, and yet spend that amount of money on a F2P video game...in good conscience.
Being BiS is just part of the problem, not the whole of it. It's important to have a top-end environment where all the hard work you've done can show you how much it has paid off.
The bigger problem is how QUICK, we can get there now. What is it? By my estimation 70-80M going from zero to BiS, or 30-40M going from Mod5 status to Mod6 BiS. The proliferation of player botting/exploit farming has lead to relatively cheap market--so that buying is now more time-efficient than doing PvE. On that note, removing most dungeons and the benefit of running said dungeons--not to mention the increased difficulty--just killed off the prospect of getting Best-in-Slot gear naturally.
I remember when it was Mod3 and 4, where I was able to reach that kind of gear-level by fair means. I personally sit around 1 or 2 tiers below best in slot. I just can't stomach the gear divide, and yet spend that amount of money on a F2P video game...in good conscience.
Um actually from 0. BiS is far more expensive if you calculate RP and gmops/ coals required
Last time I priced it before this mod, it was 200m
This mod encompassed another 100m in Gmops and RP and coals, then factor in another 30m for the strider, and then another 50m because the DEV's change things that causes unbalance and you need to buy all new gear and refill it anyways
its about 400m for a BiS toon
This amount of AD is nearly unobtainable without any purchases made just due to the fact that PvE has close to 0 profit margin atm, and rough ad only nets you 24k AD a day
So lets say best case scenario, you have a fully equipped profession toon with 50 slots
Because against equally geared gamers you cannot win, just admit it, it's ok. Most of the premade people are like that actually... that's why they go into pvp with premades in the first place. It's similar to real life, where a group of weaklings gangs up on one person, because 1 on 1, they'd get knocked the **** out, one after another.
In short: you are the weakling, not the pugs.
Can you tell us again, how you did obtain your enchantments and mounts and everything your toons have? We are all ears, my exploiter friend.
Lockboxes and Market Manipulation and a 400-500 dollars of zen purchases to obtain starting capital.
Yeah right, after abusing the astral resonator bug. The entire community knows it.
Screenshot? Video? Just because a certain person accused me of doing a certain exploit (that my account has never been banned for) dosen't mean it's true
sicarius ur seriously a pieec of sht. even ur old guildmates (before you made absolute) dislike you, and talk sht about you.
not only ur a garbage TR (i can name 10 TR's that are better than you right off my head) but ur a lying sack of horse sht too.
**** you jew
regards
I'm sorry you have such a low opinion of me - even though we've never met - but I invite all of you to my guilds TeamSpeak to talk about it like adults if you have any questions or concerns
I'm sorry you have such a low opinion of me - even though we've never met - but I invite all of you to my guilds TeamSpeak to talk about it like adults if you have any questions or concerns
Let's just be honest, the dev's don't care about the matching, if it's honest or not, was in a team with 1.5 IL and 2.5 IL against 4K, what is fair on this ? Nothing.... the dev's know that but they are not going to do anything against it, they only nerf and nerf instead of making a real match... the matching now in pvp is a laugh and yes they don't exclude the guilds that exploits everything they can..... well it should be a sign.. if they allow it to those guilds than everyone is allowed to do it in my eyes because if it's not allowed they had already a long time to deal with that, it's not something that is new......
I'm sorry you have such a low opinion of me - even though we've never met - but I invite all of you to my guilds TeamSpeak to talk about it like adults if you have any questions or concerns
ok post info.
ill tell you what i think about you via voice if youre that much of a HAMSTER.
Comments
It is well known that there are people/guilds out there that abuse current bugs so they can get an advantage. By promoting events like these in the current state of PVP is never a good idea, your elite BIS/bug abusing players will gain while everybody else will suffer for it.
Implement a way to separate these type of players in different ques, so that it can be fair for everybody not just the top geared players.
All it means is the people who are already super rich in-game with mythics and bis enchants just get richer.
In theory.
...
Realistically, all the domination games I've played have been a complete wash one way or the other. I, as a 2.3k DC, can hope to get on the team with all the BiS 4k+ folk instead of the no-tenacity 1.5k PvP virgins. How is this supposed to encourage people to try PvP if their first attempt is getting one-shotted by this, that, or the other thing with 3x their IL? People can tell them to get some basic tenacity gear all they like, but blue tenacity gear isn't going to get anyone anywhere here. Again, we need a tier system now more than ever. Furthermore, I feel PvP needs a tutorial level to teach people what to do...even basic tactics like what capping is. They're not going to figure it out themselves if they go into one of the arenas, get stomped, and never attempt it again because it was a confusing waste of 20 minutes.
Speaking of confusing wastes, I was in one of those mismatched PvPs, me being high IL on the team vs. a bunch of BiS...we fought as well as we could, but none of us had over a thousand points. Finished the match, and got no tokens! What gives? This is another great way to prove to the casuals that PvP is a complete waste of time and effort...put in time and effort and we can't even get the rewards promised to us.
You are one of the reasons why people don't play PVP anymore and leave the game because they get nasty experience from it.
So do us all a favor go to you corner and go troll yourself, because you are part of the problem not the solution.
When you are in a match where the victory is a landslide out of your favor, know how to respectfully surrender and ask to score some points so everyone can go home happy. You can pass the time doing 1v1 between the players, learning and teaching others how to do stuff, not trading insults or crying against the opponents. It's the plain basics of sportsmanship. It's not the BiS players fault that they get matched against you, and there are very few like the person some replies above mine who happily stomps non-provoking adversaries that present no real threat or challenge.
1.) No one said anything about trading insults or crying. None was done by either party. There was no poor sportsmanship on either team. That was not the point of my post.
2.) I have yet to encounter a 1v1 opportunity that wasn't also a ridiculous mismatch, or wasn't intruded upon by other players, as there are no ways to enforce a 1v1, and some people are just here for the free kills. In fact, as of the league, free kills are exactly what many players are looking for, as such behavior is now rewarded. I was happy enough to run around a bit and try to evade the two enemies chasing me, but they were clearly there to kick my tookus, though I was not attacking nor provoking anything. I have figured out ways to amuse myself sans possible victory...as they say necessity is the mother of invention. And wow, is it necessary. It really SHOULDN'T be necessary, but there you go.
3.) No, it is not their fault for getting matched against us. In fact, they should have engaging and challenging opposition...hence why brackets/tiers are necessary (welcome to part of the point of my former post)!
4.) Hey, look! All of this makes for an unpleasant experience not just on the receiving end of a beat-down, but on the giving end as well (positive player experience is the other half of my post)!
Look, I just want Cryptic/PWE/Whomever to see that league is a good idea, but as it is in it's current condition, it deserves more derision than praise. But the fixes are there, and simple. Check out all of the players who have been playtesting since launch and giving out FREE advice for how to fix bugs, imbalance, and other system issues. It's not all good, it's not all realistic, but hey, gift horses and all. If they could just grab and use that (instead of creating cool new features that will inevitably have the same issues as current ones do), can you imagine what a great game this would be?
People need to learn how to play SOMEWHERE. You can't fight a BiS pally in PvE to learn how to deal with one. And if the somewhere is like this, many PvP virgins will be one-and-done.
Tactically, if there's an untouchable pally on a point, you ignore him and move to another point. But sometimes that doesn't work well if all points are guarded. This is another problem with some of the community- you'd rather shame people for not knowing what to do than teach them.
Hey, i'm just playing the game. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
The bigger problem is how QUICK, we can get there now. What is it? By my estimation 70-80M going from zero to BiS, or 30-40M going from Mod5 status to Mod6 BiS. The proliferation of player botting/exploit farming has lead to relatively cheap market--so that buying is now more time-efficient than doing PvE. On that note, removing most dungeons and the benefit of running said dungeons--not to mention the increased difficulty--just killed off the prospect of getting Best-in-Slot gear naturally.
I remember when it was Mod3 and 4, where I was able to reach that kind of gear-level by fair means. I personally sit around 1 or 2 tiers below best in slot. I just can't stomach the gear divide, and yet spend that amount of money on a F2P video game...in good conscience.
Um actually from 0. BiS is far more expensive if you calculate RP and gmops/ coals required
Last time I priced it before this mod, it was 200m
This mod encompassed another 100m in Gmops and RP and coals, then factor in another 30m for the strider, and then another 50m because the DEV's change things that causes unbalance and you need to buy all new gear and refill it anyways
its about 400m for a BiS toon
This amount of AD is nearly unobtainable without any purchases made just due to the fact that PvE has close to 0 profit margin atm, and rough ad only nets you 24k AD a day
So lets say best case scenario, you have a fully equipped profession toon with 50 slots
thats still 400 days of waiting before you bis
Good luck new players
Suggested fixes?
Make all artifacts BoA
Implement BiS PvE Obtained gear
Lockboxes and Market Manipulation and a 400-500 dollars of zen purchases to obtain starting capital.
Yeah right, after abusing the astral resonator bug. The entire community knows it.
Screenshot? Video? Just because a certain person accused me of doing a certain exploit (that my account has never been banned for) dosen't mean it's true
No... I feel ashamed for replying to mindless, uneducated trolls.
not only ur a garbage TR (i can name 10 TR's that are better than you right off my head) but ur a lying sack of horse sht too.
**** you jew
regards
I'm sorry you have such a low opinion of me - even though we've never met - but I invite all of you to my guilds TeamSpeak to talk about it like adults if you have any questions or concerns
to talk about what? how to abusing mechanics?
To put all this groundless slandering to bed.
ok post info.
ill tell you what i think about you via voice if youre that much of a HAMSTER.
regards
I'll send you a PM, and anyone else who requests it
better educate your guildmates, to not use all that what is bugy to easyfarming. Then maybe your guild one day get some solid reputation