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Can Cryptic Say Why They Destroyed Dragon Hoard Enchants Yet Made IWD HE's Drop 10x
kurtb88
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I just don't get it. Why would you do something that has a huge negative impact on all players who spent real money on these enchantments, which only dropped BoA RP items? Then turn around and reward & encourage massive raid style farming of even better RP items which are BoE and drop faster than the pre-nerfed Dragon Hoard's?
You destroyed Dragon Hoard Enchantments that all together cost me about $100 dollars to acquire. They no longer work to any satisfaction and their value is destroyed because of this. They only dropped Bind on Acquire RP items too, meaning they could not be sold or traded.
Then you immediately made all the HE's in IWD drop Sapphires, and stuff, which are not Bound, meaning they can be sold and traded!?
I really don't mind if players form raids to harvest items that they can use or trade, all the power to them if that's their funtime, but when combined with this destruction of the expensive Dragon Hoard enchantments that many of us paid real money for I am dumbstruck.
I ask that someone at Cryptic, a Systems Designer, or Dev or whoever this applies to, please post, and at the very least give us some kind of rational explanation for this. I cannot imagine a company wanting to anger and alienate it's paying customers. Therefore, I assume there must be some valid reason which eludes me.
Please enlighten me.
(PS: please don't say cryptic employees do not comment. they do it all the time here in many different threads. i see systems designers popping by threads and giving explanations. so this is a valid request is it not?)
You destroyed Dragon Hoard Enchantments that all together cost me about $100 dollars to acquire. They no longer work to any satisfaction and their value is destroyed because of this. They only dropped Bind on Acquire RP items too, meaning they could not be sold or traded.
Then you immediately made all the HE's in IWD drop Sapphires, and stuff, which are not Bound, meaning they can be sold and traded!?
I really don't mind if players form raids to harvest items that they can use or trade, all the power to them if that's their funtime, but when combined with this destruction of the expensive Dragon Hoard enchantments that many of us paid real money for I am dumbstruck.
I ask that someone at Cryptic, a Systems Designer, or Dev or whoever this applies to, please post, and at the very least give us some kind of rational explanation for this. I cannot imagine a company wanting to anger and alienate it's paying customers. Therefore, I assume there must be some valid reason which eludes me.
Please enlighten me.
(PS: please don't say cryptic employees do not comment. they do it all the time here in many different threads. i see systems designers popping by threads and giving explanations. so this is a valid request is it not?)
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and remember it will become obsolete too soon.
MMORPGs are games typically emphasis on kill mobs, get loot. With what the RP system destroyed, players don't get the mobs they are supposed to kill and the loot they are supposed to get. Even existing content was removed. Neverwinter has become NeverAGame. To correct this problem, there are only 2 ways: (1) introduce new content appropriate to players of different levels, gear, spending/playing habits, etc, instead of just the so-called "endgame" content for only players who get all BiS gear mysteriously, or (2) make the so-called "endgame" content achievable to all players, again, not just to the ones who mysteriously get all BiS gear.
Obviously, Cryptic doesn't have the time, and even if so, don't want to spend the time on content to all kinds of players, the only way they can keep this game alive is let players gear up without spending $10,000-$20,000 each.
I don't see what's the big deal of killing Dragon Hoard enchants if they make up a better way to get RP by way of Icewind Dale HEs. As long as there are legitimate and achievable ways for every player to gear up for CONTENT they can enjoy, it is all good.
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20k AD + 6 Gold per lesser enchantment is still worth it.
Not that you have to believe them or do the HEs or whatever ways to get the greater and better RP drop, what I meant is if you want to do that it doesn't matter if you use dragon hoard or not. As long as there are reasonable ways to get people to be able to get into the content again, it is all good. Instead of upping the drop in HEs, it serves the same purpose if they ups the drop in Dragon Heralds, or put reasonable good RP drop in daily dungeons or skirmishes too.
You sound like dragon hoard is the only "investment" in this game. How about those who "invested" in other things such as campaign completion packs? This is a game for players, not a business for those who buy something and think they have made "investments". And I am sure you are not the only one(s) who have dragon hoard enchantments and I am also sure there are plenty of players doing the the Icewind Dale HEs with their dragon hoard on, but without the complaining about its nerf.
Game items changed everyday. Dragon Hoard is not the only thing that got nerfed. What about Barkshield? Should all those who have rank 12 Barkshield cry a river about the loss of their "investment"?
Regular player, once upon the time, played dungeons, skirmishes etc. and while they did have their fun they had some RP drops, so even without a good boss loot, the time spent in a dungeon was not a total waste of time.
Now, you can go for the chance to get a big ticket item in a dungeon and end up with nothing and 1000 RP or run in a circle for hours and earn millions of AD a day.
I know, that some sort of repitition is part of every MMORPG, but if BY FAR the best way to gear up or earn ADs is to grind open world content and dont play the game, something is wrong.
You finish a HE, you get a aquamarine and a peridot, killed in seconds by the zerg. You kill a big HE, here comes the unbound saphire. You finish a T 2 dungeon and you get a chance for a peridot and an item you can salvage for 3k RAD at the costs of 5k AD (once a day for free). Option one is mindnumbing stupid grind with no fun/ skill included. Option two requires skill, gear and teamplay and reward NOTHING.
That beeing said, they should either buff DH enchants or include, at last, a unbound saphire in the chest for T1 and a opal in T2. It would still be more rewarding to zerg HEs, but dungeons would not be such a waste of time.
It is you and the like who don't get it. This is a game, not a business to all the players. Whatever money you pay or time you spend in the game is purely voluntary, and only for the entertainment. If you still don't get it, look up what GAME means from a dictionary.
cant agree with you. this is farm game from the beginning, you always need to plan to achieve something. this what they do i breaking the core mechanism which is with this game from beginning, with all games that are f2p
They killed it because average (not even casual, casual players log in on the weekends) played 3-4 hours a day. but some.. well , lets put it this way, some players, seemed to be farming with their hoards 24 hours a day.
There really wasnt ALL that much benefit to the average player, I would just save all mine up anyways. In a daily day, some of my toons would get maybe 20-30 stones of varying degrees, at that rate, I had given up really progressing artifact gear, wasnt going to be worth my time beyond blue/epics on alts.
I much prefer the way it is now, however, I STILL think they should put hoards back to 4 hours a day, THIS is a consistent match to their invoking system.
They just need to be consistent across the board thats all.
I will be as blunt as I can be.. the poeple who PURCHASED RP from cryptic, is probably 1/2 of 1% of the entire population.
Its one thing to hook whales, but you cant throw away your entire purchase base on that small of a percentage. You need tiered systems of payment, some of us spend a nice amount of money on MMOs but we are not so careless or irresponsible with other priorities in our life, to spend that sort of dime.
They need to also cater to the people spending 3-500 or so dollars a year X 10,000 players you are talking about 3 to 5 million dollars. Thats no small change and they cant just <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> us off to the extent we stop spending and or/ just dont care anymore.
Every mmo Ive played has revamped all content to make it faster to go through.. this is the first mmo that reset ALL old content to make it harder to get through, thereby INCREASING the difficulty for new players. Its just odd.
There is grind to play DDs or raids.
you then either raid or pvp.
This is the first game and first mod in this game.. that pretty much made it just about grind, they do not even really reward your time in the t2s, so why bother with them..
Grind is just too heavy and not enough real content that rewards players to play through.
And clerics who swung maces.
But, oh well.
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Sadly, there is ALMOST nothing else in game of ANY value to run these.. in fact you can ACTUAL cost AD to run dds. Which is the biggest issue.
They WAY overnerfed incentives to play the game.. almost totally removing the reasons to run.
The market is starved.. STARVED of RP, hence thier value. If they were REASONABLE ways to obtain RP from after the HOARD BoP change.. (IE moved RP aquastion via bosses in DD ect, ) from that time to now.. we wouldnt be at this stage.
Eventually enough RP will be put into the market to cover this, but we were billions and billions of RP behind.
IM not really a fan of the artifact equipment, but while we have it, WE have to have a way in game to progress them, otherwise.. might as well not have a game.
Id be perfectly happy if they add on par or better RP into the DD system, something player base has asked for in a long time, since that change.
They finally give us a way.. it might not be perfect, but better then nothing.
And now you don't need to. So let it go.
I think the direction of adding RP directly to the content was a huge step forward, and it's nice to see that Dragon's Hoard enchantments are now a "nice to have" thing instead of a requirement.
Even to that point, Dragon's Hoard enchantments were nerfed due to the bad behavior of players. Botters weren't using them to farm RP, because it's all bound to account...you can't sell it, so there's no point to it. But what was happening was "real" players were using scripts, macros and 3rd party programs to do the same thing for themselves personally, which was wrong.
And it was fixed. Which makes me wonder how many people in this thread (or others) were THOSE people whose bad behavior caused Crytpic to nerf them in the first place, not complaining because they can't use macros to farm certain low level dungeons for RP anymore.
Evidently it's Paladins that swing maces. I've just been playing D&D wrong for 35 years because for some reason I thought the Holy Avenger longsword was a sword.
Don't like zerging around IWD much? Don't do it too often or for too long. I dip in to a zerg instance once per session for maybe 15-20 minutes and that nets me enough RP to feel like I'm making some progress refining my arti gear. For the first time. Then I go do something a little less grindy (although pretty much everything is a grind from L60 on up now).
Nobody is being forced to join the zerg. It's optional. Prefer farming using DH enchants? Carry on doing that. Or both. Choice is a good thing. Progressing your gear/toon is a good thing.
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No, your post is an under-reaction.
Hold on now...stop bringing common sense to this forum. I've gotten hundreds of thousands of RP just casually farming IWD in the last week or so. I log in, do some stuff, then run around IWD while I'm waiting for a group to form or guildmates to log in. Even spending 15-20 minutes running a few encounters will get you a substantial amount of RP, and far more than you could ever get in the same time with Hoard enchants.
Goes to show...people will literally complain about everything. Cryptic could gift everyone a free 140% mount next weekend, and this forum would be livid with the fact that Cryptic screwed over players who bought keys to get it out of the lockboxes, or how it makes other mounts pointless since they're 110% speed.
Not this tired horse. There's plenty of swords out there for Paladins. Heck this last CTA gave you a flaming longsword skin. So can you get over it already?
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Same here. I'm completing my IWD boons while actually gaining a modest amount of RP. My 2 mains might actually get all purples. Legendary is still crazy hard to get. And I free'd up some util slots for Movement/XP/Glory. I worry they will nerf IWD and then what will we have? Weekly DR / Shan for 5k rp?
i know its a lot but if you save up til a double rp then youll be good. btw im also finally able to start working on iwd boons.
i really hope they add rp to the he's in well of dragons as well just to mix it up a tad and make tiamat more popular again
This sounds awesome. so the PvP guilds with all their members will build the PvP strongholds. get the strongest weapons from their forge, and encourage more members to join their guild. sounds like a self licking ice cream cone to me.