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aelfgarmt
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Last night a friend of mine convinced me to queue up with him for Gauntlgrym (sp?), and it was an... interesting experience. Some background: I am a level 70 TR with iLevel 2024. No PVP type gear. No experience with PvP outside of IWD dailies, and even then, I pretty much just avoid people. So, in other words, I know I am going to suck. But I thought it might be fun to start.
The match started off well, but at one point, my friend and I were at one of the rally points with an enemy pally, and we might as well have been tickling him for all the progress we were making.
That's when Mr. Nasty starting in on us in party voice chat. I know we (and more specifically I) were the weak links on our team, by a long shot, but the vitriol of hate and nastiness was something I had never experienced in any game I have played so far (EQ, EQ2, WOW, RQ, FF14). Maybe because I am a respectful player just looking to play and have fun, and have not been in an uber guild except once, back in EQ, I wasn't expecting this.
I was called:
A wart and a bunch of profanity
I was told that:
-I should die
-I should quit
And that I:
-was the reason he was losing (well no kidding Sherlock)
-was the reason the team was losing (well no kidding Sherlock)
-was useless and a loser (this much was apparent, I suppose)
-many more things that really just kind of were lost in the forest of his insults.
So, my question is: is this what I can expect as a pretty noobish PvPer in these kinds of matches? If so, I will just skip PvP, thank you very much. Advice/input welcome. Even if you agree with Mr. Nasty. Will be good to know.
Teegle the glass-pea-shooter
The match started off well, but at one point, my friend and I were at one of the rally points with an enemy pally, and we might as well have been tickling him for all the progress we were making.
That's when Mr. Nasty starting in on us in party voice chat. I know we (and more specifically I) were the weak links on our team, by a long shot, but the vitriol of hate and nastiness was something I had never experienced in any game I have played so far (EQ, EQ2, WOW, RQ, FF14). Maybe because I am a respectful player just looking to play and have fun, and have not been in an uber guild except once, back in EQ, I wasn't expecting this.
I was called:
A wart and a bunch of profanity
I was told that:
-I should die
-I should quit
And that I:
-was the reason he was losing (well no kidding Sherlock)
-was the reason the team was losing (well no kidding Sherlock)
-was useless and a loser (this much was apparent, I suppose)
-many more things that really just kind of were lost in the forest of his insults.
So, my question is: is this what I can expect as a pretty noobish PvPer in these kinds of matches? If so, I will just skip PvP, thank you very much. Advice/input welcome. Even if you agree with Mr. Nasty. Will be good to know.
Teegle the glass-pea-shooter
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If you want, I can add you so you can have a non-elitist (and decently geared player) to play with.
-Fight on the nodes
-Play to your classes strength (ex. if you have crowd control encounters use those to delay your opponents if you are out geared)
-Getting used to pvp requires learning what the other classes are using
-Calm. Cool. Collected. Or at least trying to be at all times allows you to make the best decision even if you feel you are not making an impact
-Practice with friends in Icewind pass or Dwarven valley on how to fight a particular class or ask someone in those instances
These are just a few tips that can improve how you play pvp. The other aspect is playing with someone in duo party and learning how they play to best compliment them in domination.
Thats the main reason they are called serious pvp guilds.
Most likely you were reprimanded (a mild term , I know) by some p2w and never l2p ppl that have been pawned so badly (mostly for their behaviour) from serious pvp-ers
MY advice:
1st : Dont pay attention to stupid people and play the game as you like, its the only way any game is worth playing and
2nd : If you wanna enter in this world (of NW pvp) the above comments by @mfgamesys are spot-on
3rd : serious pvp guilds are but a handfull and if you are insulted by a member and you report it to an officer of the guild , most likely the insults that made you feel bad will be returned on him ten-fold imho
4th : However true the above comments might be, keep always in mind that there is little love for tr's inb general
I could not tell you how many times I have heard that same rhetoric. Send me an in game msg... atwil@drkbodhi... I will help you find your way in PvP. My main is a TR... who is slowly making a space for himself despite a glaring lack of gear and enchants. Often times I may be the least geared toon on the team, but I would estimate that 7 out of 10 times I will sit in the top 10, and 5 will be in the top 5. I do not see that the goal of the game is to kill everyone on the other team. There is a learning curve.
Understand this... what other people say about you actually fits exactly with what the think about themselves.
I collect my fair share of deaths and kills. The feat I am most proud, in GG, of was being #1 with 0 kills and 0 deaths.
There is Honor among some Thieves.
Mate chill
You re right about all the above,but for one to have pvp gear , one must play pvp.
I m guessing he didn't even have the resources to buy pvp gear (I dont think he 'd lose time posting about hate messages if he had been in pvp even once after 70 lol) so he had to start somewhere and I believe gg and not arena is the best place
See? When you're chill some of the wisest words come out
If anyone ever gets abusive with you, just put them on ignore, report them, and if they are using Voice, click on the volume icon by their avatar to mute them. Frankly in a 10v10, it's unlikely that the entire team is losing because of one player, especially if the match isn't even close.
As to PvP, it really is quite fun, though any new player should know the mechanics first. Remember it's a king of the hill (with 5 hills in GG, 3 in dom). The moment you play like it's deathmatch, you're going to run into trouble catching wins. (I'm not saying that's something you did, just a common mistake by ppl first getting into NW PvP.) As long as you stand on a point, you're contesting it, and stop any point production it should make for an opposing team, so as a TR you can always just play for a stalemate through stealth.
Don't take deaths personally, and just ignore the trolls, of which there are many.
Enjoy the game.
P.S. I do take offense to the notion that the PvP community is bad. I mean, just read PvP forums.... it's all evidence of warm, friendly, and cuddly people with nothing but positive and welcoming attitudes. ROFL.... /sarcasm
I never use the chat in pvp.
PvP is more like a "football" fan type of game play.
PvE is more of a let's go to the beach type of game play.
First things first about pvp.
1. Know what your enemy can do. (understand their attack / defense skills)
2. Know how to counter that enemy.
3. Know where you need to be at any given time. (positioning)
4. Mounts are very important (110% speed is a must)
5. Weapon enchantments / boons / feats (max out everything)
If you want to learn some tactics with TR just PM me.
Banelorne taught me over a year ago, and all of his tactics still work well.
/w @demonmongerchild
this is how you can find me!
Peace!
Teegle the Glass Pea-Shooter
Difference is, pvp community is more toxic. In pve you can get nice players who will booze even if they lose. In pvp, not so much.
Get tenacity gear from AH. Run GG NOT domination, as it's easier for non-experienced, undergeared players to diluite in a 10 men team in a large map, compared to a 5 men team in a small map. Stick with a group and do support while focusing on capping nodes NOT fight. Earn glory in this way and go for t1 pvp armor sets. Slot hp enchants and keep building combat experience.
Other than that, have fun and never listen to toxic players, put them in ignore list.
But avoid going pvp with a full pve setup as you're basically inceasing the chance to get a sh*tty match for everyone much like going in a T2 dungeon with lvl 20 gear and no experience.
PvP in this game is harsh, requires different build and gameplay usually, compared to pve, and is full of spoiled arrogant players.
Also, TR victim-syndrome apart, it's not about class but rather balance. GWFs were hated even more in the past modules 2/3.
The point is, when a build allows for cheap and easy wins, player base turns against the whole class.
You will find your good share of trashtalking, rude and spoiled players amongst TRs too. Trust me, there are many. There's a sub-community of so-called FOTM players. They periodically swarm to the class with most cheesy/ rewarding build and they are usually spoiled and rude, nasty brats.
But if you want to play the villain for some distorted victim-syndrome thinking everyone hates you for no reason, go ahead. Makes me smile a bit just the idea but hey, people must do what makes them happy
Teegle the Glass Pea-Shooter
Hit me up in game, as well (after 9pm eastern). We'll see what else can be done to help you out.
@pherrow
Thank you for proving openly that when people have attitude and talk trash it really DOES put players away from the thing they love - pvp.
As for me I never had a problem with it, it still happens sometimes even when ur fully decked out but it's really rare overall. Some people are just pretty dumb sometimes - you can always click the mic icon to mute them, and ignore list them lol
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
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Reality is, players get angry when losing and look for a scapegoat to unleash their frustration on someone.
I SAY
GNE GNE
Put angry Justin Biebers in ignore+ gear for PvP so you don't put yourself in such situations and don't contribute to bad balance.
in the end he was "one year older" , and I only wondered about the fact that some ppl just forget all time...it´s a game
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need a new scrub tr since my PC went down lol